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Markius Proxim
Deadspace Knights
Matari Visionary Coalition
Posted - 2011.06.26 15:28:00 - [2881]
 

Upgrade Character Models, Take away cool outfits..

Now charge us for cool outfits.

EVE's culture has always been about free upgrades if you pay your monthly fees. Eve's culture is NOT about paying for shiny upgrades. Sorry CCP but we told you through our elected representatives it was a ****ty idea, i don't know why you are so shocked.


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Blackjack Turner
Caldari
State Protectorate
Posted - 2011.06.26 15:35:00 - [2882]
 

CCP tries to tell us that we will look cool with a monocle that costs as much as a dreadnought. Seriously? Game wise I can get implants for a few million isk. Why am I going to spend money for this item? People will look at me with my dred priced monocle and wonder wtf I spent all that money on that silly item, not how cool I am. Where I live $1000 jeans just tell people I have more money than good sense. I do believe that the items should be a tad on the expensive side to make them "cool" and to impart a bit of exclusive ownership, but this pricing is ludicrous.

Hopefully CCP will soon realize this and put more items up that are a whole lot less than what they currently offer. Lower prices = more sales.

Angeliq
Minmatar
Soimii Patriei
Vera Cruz Alliance
Posted - 2011.06.26 15:47:00 - [2883]
 

On Twitter

ArnarHrafn Arnar Hrafn Gylfason
writing another blog, now with 100% more love in it #eveonline #tweetfleet
1 hour ago



So it took him 1.000.000 views, 350+ pages and 10.000+ posts for a reply. You Sir are awesome, I'd make love to you if I was gay... Actually you can bend over.
http://www.eveonline.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=1536065&page=355

Lakuma
Posted - 2011.06.26 15:49:00 - [2884]
 

This thread is almost 100 pages too...

Add that to the Threadtitan (it evolved at 300 apparently) and that's over 400 pages.

Keep up the Theadtitan - 400 pages and we can certifiably call it the Threadpocalypse of EVE Online! The Thread to end all Threads! (Seriously if this shuts down CCP...that'd actually be true...hehe)

Innominate
Amarr
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
Posted - 2011.06.26 15:49:00 - [2885]
 

Originally by: Angeliq

ArnarHrafn Arnar Hrafn Gylfason
writing another blog, now with 100% more love in it #eveonline #tweetfleet
1 hour ago


I'm expecting some variation on "We only hit you because we love you."

BeauChaotica
Odin's Ravens
Posted - 2011.06.26 15:50:00 - [2886]
 

I've been playing this game since 2005, and I never had cause to even log into the forums until now.

I have never seen such atrocious handling of a public relations issue as this one right here.

CCP are keeping quiet, and backtracking with every single word they say. I've never seen them stumble and make fools of themselves like this in all the time I've been around. It's painful to watch; this is all if we ignore the fact that what they're planning to implement is potentially game-breaking. I can't fathom why they don't just stop mucking around and tell the community:

  1. What the original plan was,

  2. That they made a terrible mistake, as appropriate and apologise,

  3. What they're going to do to make it right and make a pledge so that this never happens again.


To add insult to injury, Zulu's blog was nothing short of patronising and irrelevant, and belies genuine incompetence and an inkling of disdain when it comes to dealing with mass inquiries by the playerbase. I'm not unsubscribing now, because I've come back from a hiatus for this expansion but if the new arbitrary currency CCP have decided to make up (a bogus move in any world economy) starts to go south, then I will too.

I also used to be a big TF2 player, but I've gradually watched that game crash and burn as valve have done exactly as CCP are doing to EVE now, by adding microtransactions and needless features conjured out of thin air for nothing more than a quick buck and a slice off the top. Being able to do anything is what this game has going for it; don't make an elitist caste out of us. It's not fair. I dread the day when we all start to get hats...that was when I left TF2, and I'm nearly at that line with EVE as are thousands of other players with pointers hovering over the 'unsub' button.

Be straight with us and we can sort this whole mess out. Tell us what you are going to do even if you're going to ignore what it is we actually want. Every single one of us is a paying customer. We make your game, and we at least deserve your honesty.

Thanks for reading,
Beau

Darikkon Minthis
Posted - 2011.06.26 15:56:00 - [2887]
 

I have in general not had any major problems with any of the issues addressed in the Dev blog. I honestly fully agree with what was said about the MT. My problem is what was not said.

Lets take that same analogy used with the jeans and apply it to ships. I have my ship bought with isk, the $50 ship (from my game subscription costs) and another person has their $100 ship from MT. Their ship may be better and look cooler, but I am expressing myself by not having it. Just like the current MT, I don't have to take part in that whole section of the game.

Now I really hope the MT never goes that far, but you can always use the excuse that you can choose not to take part in a section of the game. It's like opening a can of worms simlilar to when Congress decided that 'implied' powers of the constitution do apply...

Anyway, I understand CCP needs money right now, and honestly MT may be a great way to get it. But as I said, I never disagreed with the current state of MT. My problem is with many of the other things CCP has been doing.

I'm starting to feel like the MT thing is a smokescreen to downplay some of the other changes to the game. Things such as lowered functionality while in station, the underwhelming release of incarna, which while smooth contains very little of the promised content, and the developer fees.

Functionality in station is mostly just a GUI fix, that should not be to difficult. The underwhelming release of Incarna can be fixed with future releases, I just wish you had held off the release date till it was in better shape. Contrary to what seems to be popular belief, most players would rather a release date be pushed back than get a lesser product. The developer fees can be lowered to maybe 10 dollars, since I understand you want to use the fees to track usage.

Honestly, asides from the hurt feelings, and the sting of feeling lied to, everything is fixable from my standpoint. I just hope that CCP will listen to the more important points than everyone raising hell about vanity MT.

Jedi GrandMaster
Posted - 2011.06.26 15:58:00 - [2888]
 

Edited by: Jedi GrandMaster on 26/06/2011 15:58:16
Disgusting.

U want to talk about jeans? And costs? Then compare that to vanity items?

Let me point out some basic facts to u.

1. Jeans are real. At $1000 i expect them to be dyed with unicorn tears, hand stiched by Rumpelstiltskin, delivered by helicopter, by Arnie, and have $950 stiched into the seams.

2. Jeans existing in real life have a cost of production fixed cost plus marginal costs. The fixed costs being the design, the machinery, the premises etc, etc, the marginal costs being the additional cost of producing more units, materials, labour costs, etc, etc. A pixelated monocle has only fixed costs not marginal costs to any great degree, so u are trying to compare apples with pears.

The rest of the blog does not address the concerns of the playerbase and seems willfully fuzzy coupled with a large bowl of crocodile tears. Really is this honestly the best u can do? Cause quite honestly it comes across as condescending, irrational, self important and sadly tradic, try better, try harder cause apparently u care more.Rolling Eyes


Anna Sofia
Lagavullin
Posted - 2011.06.26 16:01:00 - [2889]
 

Nobody is ever going to read this post, but after playing this game sine 05 I feel that I have to write a reply to what I feel is one of the more insulting pieces of drivel I've read in a good while.

Quote:
While its perfectly fine to disagree and attack CCP over policies or actions we take, we think its not cool how individuals that work here have been called out and dragged through the mud due to something they wrote in the internal company newsletter. Seriously, these people were doing their jobs and do not deserve the hate and ****storm being pointed at them.

Fair enough, no need to call out individuals. However - we're your paying customers. This ****storm is caused by ccp. CCP understood perfectly well (as documented in your internal newsletter), that this would cause exactly what happened.

Quote:
Did you choose it because it was better quality than a no-name brand? Assume for a short while that you are wearing a pair of $1,000 jeans from some exclusive Japanese boutique shop. Why would you want to wear a pair of $1,000 jeans when you can get perfectly similar jeans for under $50?

Dude... What made you think that it was a good idea to write this? My hobbies include photography and eve, guess which one of theese I'm willing to spend money on improving my equipment.

Quote:
What do other people think about you when they see you wearing them?

my guess is "what a tool".

Quote:
Whatever you choose to do reflects what you are and what you want others to think you are.

ok, I'll let you think of me as a quitter.

Quote:
I hope Ive addressed your concerns and cleared up a lot of the issues youre having.
Well it cleared up a bit. I'll hopefullt be able to keep looking at the door until my subcriptions runs out I guess.

I've always loved this game, but I'm not gonna wish you "good luck" this time around.

Playing Eve
Posted - 2011.06.26 16:06:00 - [2890]
 

Originally by: Angeliq
On Twitter

ArnarHrafn Arnar Hrafn Gylfason
writing another blog, now with 100% more love in it #eveonline #tweetfleet
1 hour ago



So it took him 1.000.000 views, 350+ pages and 10.000+ posts for a reply. You Sir are awesome, I'd make love to you if I was gay... Actually you can bend over.
http://www.eveonline.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=1536065&page=355


It sounds like sarcasm to me. I'm now expecting a blog post that "explains corporate values, "describes the difficult decision making process," and then says "if you don't like our decisions or direction, then you are correct to unsub."

WisdomPanda
Goatriders Horde
The Scapegoats
Posted - 2011.06.26 16:17:00 - [2891]
 

And people thought the anom nerf was a major **** storm!

andymark
Posted - 2011.06.26 16:23:00 - [2892]
 

Am a 2003 character and have another one as well that I have paid approximately 25 (UK money) a month for almost 6 years. That is 1800 for those that can't count. Given Iceland's recent history and CCP's apparent disdain for the monthly subscriptions am just trying to help here. Up to now I have just gone with the flow. Have no idea how to use a jump bridge and every time I go near 0.0 I die. But I don't complain, I just do a few more missions or make and sell some modules and then buy some more ships. I don't care if am stitched up within the rules of the game and lose another billion isk ship - just accept it and get on. However, if I am killed by someone who has bought his skills or his ships with RL money then that will be that. If CCP have overextended themselves with mismanagement or ambitions elsewhere that is not my problem - they should only be using my money to enhance my game and if that does not work then fold it all up and go bust like the rest of Iceland. Am not wanting to pay their national debt as well as the UK's.

Seline Okaski
Caldari
State War Academy
Posted - 2011.06.26 16:28:00 - [2893]
 

I have been busily reading all of the various threads (God, it is hard to keep up) and I am simply amazed. Way to go Eve community!

The one thing in the dev blog I cannot agree with is Zulu's point about the Greed is Good document:

Quote:
The opinions and views expressed in Fearless are just that; opinions and views. They are not CCP policy nor are they a reliable source of CCP views as a company. The employees who submitted articles to that newsletter did exactly what they were asked to do, write about theories and opinions from an exaggerated stand.


Right.

And yet, in big bold words on page 8, it states at the beginning of the article:


Quote:
CCP is in the process of adopting a virtual sales model for its game products. While this model has always been intended for World of Darkness and DUST 514, you may be wondering how this will work in EVE Online. Specifically, how will this new strategy unfold in Incarna?



Does that REALLY sound like an opinion piece used to banter the pros/cons of an argument?

Combine that with this wonderful comment on page 9:

Quote:
Not all virtual purchases will focus on customization: some will simply be new items, ammunition, ships, etc. that can be purchased outright.


I wonder where we get the idea that you are moving beyond vanity items, hmm?

Van Flegg
Minmatar
Posted - 2011.06.26 16:34:00 - [2894]
 

Originally by: Angeliq
On Twitter

ArnarHrafn Arnar Hrafn Gylfason
writing another blog, now with 100% more love in it #eveonline #tweetfleet
1 hour ago


Wait, so what's 100% of 0?

Vilar Diin
Posted - 2011.06.26 16:37:00 - [2895]
 

Originally by: BeauChaotica
I've been playing this game since 2005, and I never had cause to even log into the forums until now.

I have never seen such atrocious handling of a public relations issue as this one right here.

CCP are keeping quiet, and backtracking with every single word they say. I've never seen them stumble and make fools of themselves like this in all the time I've been around. It's painful to watch; this is all if we ignore the fact that what they're planning to implement is potentially game-breaking. I can't fathom why they don't just stop mucking around and tell the community:

  1. What the original plan was,

  2. That they made a terrible mistake, as appropriate and apologise,

  3. What they're going to do to make it right and make a pledge so that this never happens again.


To add insult to injury, Zulu's blog was nothing short of patronising and irrelevant, and belies genuine incompetence and an inkling of disdain when it comes to dealing with mass inquiries by the playerbase. I'm not unsubscribing now, because I've come back from a hiatus for this expansion but if the new arbitrary currency CCP have decided to make up (a bogus move in any world economy) starts to go south, then I will too.

I also used to be a big TF2 player, but I've gradually watched that game crash and burn as valve have done exactly as CCP are doing to EVE now, by adding microtransactions and needless features conjured out of thin air for nothing more than a quick buck and a slice off the top. Being able to do anything is what this game has going for it; don't make an elitist caste out of us. It's not fair. I dread the day when we all start to get hats...that was when I left TF2, and I'm nearly at that line with EVE as are thousands of other players with pointers hovering over the 'unsub' button.

Be straight with us and we can sort this whole mess out. Tell us what you are going to do even if you're going to ignore what it is we actually want. Every single one of us is a paying customer. We make your game, and we at least deserve your honesty.

Thanks for reading,
Beau


Well said. Thanks fo taking the time to write this

Cindice
Posted - 2011.06.26 16:41:00 - [2896]
 

1. The turrets are cool but the icons are hard to tell what they are and you can't see them half the time next to your target. Neutral
2. You can take CQ and give me back my ship view. Sad
3. the prices in the NeX are ridiculous. Why should I pay more than a months game time for a pair of pants or a shirt. I shouldn't have to pay anything for items in a game I already pay for. Sad

SALYNDRIIA
Posted - 2011.06.26 16:46:00 - [2897]
 

Dear CCP,

While it is well known that my diplomacy skills are minimaly trained. I seem to get poded and forget to upgrade my clone and am reset to zero diplomacy skills, I'm gonna give it a try here.

Yes you do own the game and have every right to seek out monetary gain for the good of the company and future endeavors of the game, We, the community feel you're taking it a bit far for these reasons and more;

Arrow We pay a subscription fee to enjoy "ALL" content of the game.
Arrow We already buy stuff from the EVE STORE
Arrow We buy additional PLEX for the purpose of having extra ISK to afford certain in game items, gambling sites,pilot bazaar, et cetera.
Arrow For the most part "WE" are practicle people, and don't care for "FLASHY" stuff, but if we happen upon something nice... occasionally we put it to use.
Arrow Alot of us have multiple subscriptions... so in truth, "OUR community" really isn't that big. WE LIKE IT THAT WAY... IT KEEPS OUT THE UNDESIRABLES

Alot of people love this game for what it is, we enjoy the harsh void of space... danger lurking behind every jumpgate, the thrill of the hunt... and for some of us, it's the industrial side, and dull hum of humping rocks.

We don't want flashy, we don't want the easy way out that the majority of games give... if we did, we wouldn't be here. We pride ourselves on the harshness of the learning curve. If you're game is going in the direction we think it is... you're taking all that away from us.


Carniflex
StarHunt
Fallout Project
Posted - 2011.06.26 17:02:00 - [2898]
 

Well ... I lost my faith in CCP competence with the 180 degree direction change with their vision of null sec two weeks after fanfest out of thin air. It turned past 18 months of null sec empire building into **** overnight and convinced me that long term dedication and effort might not be worth it as some dev can just nuke it overnight bcos "hey its easy to do and it will increase combat, lulz". I still dont see that increased combat tbh. All I see is more missionrunners in empire and deserted systems.

I'll stick around for a while more as I have 6 years of my life invested in this game but at the moment I dont see the CCP doing the moves it would take to regain my lost faith.

Anyway - the day you can buy an item that gets you in game advantage over fellow pilot with a microstransaction is the day I'm walking out permanently. I can live with fancy hats or custom paintjobs, but I do not play such games where the winner is decided by the size of ones RL wallet on principle.

Akiriy Azuriko
Gallente
Demon Theory
Tragedy.
Posted - 2011.06.26 17:15:00 - [2899]
 

:D im going to go play minecraft bye bye eve

Akiriy Azuriko
Gallente
Demon Theory
Tragedy.
Posted - 2011.06.26 17:17:00 - [2900]
 

The Failcascade to end all failcascade

Photon Ceray
Posted - 2011.06.26 17:18:00 - [2901]
 

CCP, it's time you understand that eve community players are NOT idiots you can easily rip off!

Greed is NOOOOOT good!

What greed got you now is losing all the credibility that you have built, screwed and rebuild over the years.

A large number of players have already cancelled, and many won't renew, most are hoping, just hoping that you'd get your senses back.

In order to redeem yourself, not only will you have to scrap your pay to win idea, but you'll have to offer a big token to make it up to your customers. for example, all the BS Nex goods should be put on the normal market, not micro transactions.

Don't let it get into your head that you're a big company and you decide how you make your game, the real power holders are the customers paying for your product. lose then and you go bankrupt.

Sally Cynocyde
Posted - 2011.06.26 17:31:00 - [2902]
 


So, I heard this interesting tidbit about Sony Online Entertainment coming on board? When is that happening?

Ishanmae
Caldari
Good Man.
Posted - 2011.06.26 17:31:00 - [2903]
 

Edited by: Ishanmae on 26/06/2011 17:31:40
I've kept thinking all along that a nice explanation and somewhat of an apology was coming...

The explanation given in this blog, I could have drafted myself, the reasons presented were clear to all who activated their brains before their trolling abilities.

Now, the issues I would have deemed worth addressing are pretty well summed up in :
http://eve.beyondreality.se/NeXCQResponse.html

CCP... your game is aimed at above average intelligence players, not to the stupid crowds out there, for whom tab to the target and mash your shortcuts is all that's needed to keep them entertained.

Please respect us enough to give us a real answer, rather than this.

Photon Ceray
Posted - 2011.06.26 17:32:00 - [2904]
 

CCP, it's time you understand that eve community players are NOT idiots you can easily rip off!

Greed is NOOOOOT good!

What greed got you now is losing all the credibility that you have built, screwed and rebuild over the years.

A large number of players have already cancelled, and many won't renew, most are hoping, just hoping that you'd get your senses back.

In order to redeem yourself, not only will you have to scrap your pay to win idea, but you'll have to offer a big token to make it up to your customers. for example, all the BS Nex goods should be put on the normal market, not micro transactions.

Don't let it get into your head that you're a big company and you decide how you make your game, the real power holders are the customers paying for your product. lose them and you go bankrupt.

Angeliq
Minmatar
Soimii Patriei
Vera Cruz Alliance
Posted - 2011.06.26 17:43:00 - [2905]
 

SONY ONLINE ENTERTAINMENT TO ACQUIRE CCP GAMES?



Weve recieved the following inside information by a CCP source who has asked to remain anonymous: SONY and CCP are in talks of having SONY become a major partner, or even a controlling partner, in CCP, via stock acquisition.

http://www.eve-news.com/2011/06/26/sony-online-entertainment-acquire-ccp-games/

Smoking Blunts
Posted - 2011.06.26 17:48:00 - [2906]
 

Originally by: Angeliq

SONY ONLINE ENTERTAINMENT TO ACQUIRE CCP GAMES?



Weve recieved the following inside information by a CCP source who has asked to remain anonymous: SONY and CCP are in talks of having SONY become a major partner, or even a controlling partner, in CCP, via stock acquisition.

http://www.eve-news.com/2011/06/26/sony-online-entertainment-acquire-ccp-games/


game over eve

Rasz Lin
Caldari
Uitraan Diversified Holdings Incorporated
Posted - 2011.06.26 17:48:00 - [2907]
 

Originally by: Angeliq
SONY ONLINE ENTERTAINMENT TO ACQUIRE CCP GAMES?[/RED][/H2]


Weve recieved the following inside information by a CCP source who has asked to remain anonymous: SONY and CCP are in talks of having SONY become a major partner, or even a controlling partner, in CCP, via stock acquisition.

http://www.eve-news.com/2011/06/26/sony-online-entertainment-acquire-ccp-games/



please dont post misinformation by linking to garbage sites

Angeliq
Minmatar
Soimii Patriei
Vera Cruz Alliance
Posted - 2011.06.26 17:56:00 - [2908]
 

Originally by: Rasz Lin
Originally by: Angeliq
SONY ONLINE ENTERTAINMENT TO ACQUIRE CCP GAMES?[/RED][/H2]


Weve recieved the following inside information by a CCP source who has asked to remain anonymous: SONY and CCP are in talks of having SONY become a major partner, or even a controlling partner, in CCP, via stock acquisition.

http://www.eve-news.com/2011/06/26/sony-online-entertainment-acquire-ccp-games/



please dont post misinformation by linking to garbage sites


It apears that sources inside CCP confirmed this info and if you put the pieces all together, it makes sense.

THO
CCP Fallout on Twitter:
i can confirm that SOE has not purchased, nor are we discussing a buyout, of CCP. #eveonline #tweetfleet

Akiriy Azuriko
Gallente
Demon Theory
Tragedy.
Posted - 2011.06.26 17:57:00 - [2909]
 

Originally by: Photon Ceray
CCP, it's time you understand that eve community players are NOT idiots you can easily rip off!

Greed is NOOOOOT good!

What greed got you now is losing all the credibility that you have built, screwed and rebuild over the years.

A large number of players have already cancelled, and many won't renew, most are hoping, just hoping that you'd get your senses back.

In order to redeem yourself, not only will you have to scrap your pay to win idea, but you'll have to offer a big token to make it up to your customers. for example, all the BS Nex goods should be put on the normal market, not micro transactions.

Don't let it get into your head that you're a big company and you decide how you make your game, the real power holders are the customers paying for your product. lose then and you go bankrupt.


i love this guy +_+

Donna Domino
Posted - 2011.06.26 18:02:00 - [2910]
 

Originally by: Rasz Lin
Originally by: Angeliq
SONY ONLINE ENTERTAINMENT TO ACQUIRE CCP GAMES?[/RED][/H2]


Weve recieved the following inside information by a CCP source who has asked to remain anonymous: SONY and CCP are in talks of having SONY become a major partner, or even a controlling partner, in CCP, via stock acquisition.

http://www.eve-news.com/2011/06/26/sony-online-entertainment-acquire-ccp-games/



please dont post misinformation by linking to garbage sites


eve-news has been a not entirely inaccurate source of information. They certainly have 1000x as much credibility as you. What stories about eve have you broken before anyone else? Links, references, dates please.


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