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Constantinus Maximus
Paxian Expeditionary Force
Posted - 2011.06.25 17:34:00 - [2551]
 

Originally by: Marcus Vorenius
TL;DR I guess there was a cunning plan, but question is still the same as a year ago: do they have the cash and the stomach?



From Hilmars position it would seem that revenue streams don't matter and it's all just a big box to hide money in.

Percivs
Sebiestor Tribe
Posted - 2011.06.25 17:35:00 - [2552]
 

Originally by: Dennie Fleetfoot
Just cancelled the sub on my Alt.

Reason: In game issues.

Specific: Last Patch

Would like to add anything further:

This is what I wrote.
'The condescending attitude of CCP Zulu in particular, the epic fail of a patch which doesn't work unless one own's a super-computer. The lack of a guarantee that MT will not be used for anything other than vanity items. The breathtaking arrogance exhibited in the leaked copy of 'Fearless' and CCP senior management's total contempt and failure to understand the level of hurt and betrayal within the EVE player family.

When CQ and WIS become optional, when guarantee's are given that MT is for vanity items only and most importantly when CCP management and CCP Zulu publicly acknowledge that they have monumentally failed to understand and act on the genuine greviences of your paying customers and apologise, explaining how they intend to rebuild trust, then I may return to a world that I will miss but who's custodians have come to live in a reality that I have no wish to partake of anymore.

If you wish to contact me to speak of the issues I've raised, you have my contact details.

I bid you farewell.'

As it's clear I'm just a statistic to them, I'm sure my 13 a month won't be missed. But if everyone here grows a set of balls, follow through with their dissatisfaction and at least cancel their Alt's but keep their main, I'm sure that 13 a month times by several thousand will be missed.



I also cancelled 3 accounts;

Percivs
Zealotforhire
Rouksobada Micyba

(not logins you greedy bastards, just the character names so that CCP can confirm these accounts have in fact been cancelled.)

I voiced my opinions last year about RMT. This is my commitment in action.

Chrysanthemum Korik
Monocles Of Death
Posted - 2011.06.25 17:41:00 - [2553]
 

Cancelled:

Reason: In game issues.
Specific: Last Patch
Would like to add anything further: I don't wear 1000 dollar jeans, so I guess EvE isn't the game for me.

Aptiva Rin
Caldari
Guerillas Of The Underground
Posted - 2011.06.25 17:43:00 - [2554]
 

After all of this, you would think Zulu would be fired. #justsayin

Leenie
Posted - 2011.06.25 17:44:00 - [2555]
 

Cancelled. It's the only way to make a real protest.

Lord Cath
Amarr
Gung-Ho
Posted - 2011.06.25 17:46:00 - [2556]
 

unsubbed my accounts...

It became very clear after Helmar's mail, that the bigshots at CCP see us as kids who do not know what's best for them, which is pretty funny, seen as most of the players in EvE are between 25 and 35. So, take my word for it CCP, we do know what's best for us. We know what we want in this game, and that is what you guys sold to us in the beginning. When EvE was your pride and joy, a flagship you could indeed be immensely proud of.

But when it becomes very clear that EvE to you guys has become a milking cow to fund other games 90% of EvE players are not interested in and you start adressing this playerbase with a form of arrogance I have never seen a company use towards it's customers before, the best thing to do is just walk away and hope you guys at one point realise what a wonderful thing you are destroying.

tbh I'm not holding my breath...

Constantinus Maximus
Paxian Expeditionary Force
Posted - 2011.06.25 17:50:00 - [2557]
 

Edited by: Constantinus Maximus on 25/06/2011 17:51:24
Originally by: Lord Cath
unsubbed my accounts...

It became very clear after Helmar's mail, that the bigshots at CCP see us as kids who do not know what's best for them, which is pretty funny, seen as most of the players in EvE are between 25 and 35. So, take my word for it CCP, we do know what's best for us. We know what we want in this game, and that is what you guys sold to us in the beginning. When EvE was your pride and joy, a flagship you could indeed be immensely proud of.

But when it becomes very clear that EvE to you guys has become a milking cow to fund other games 90% of EvE players are not interested in and you start adressing this playerbase with a form of arrogance I have never seen a company use towards it's customers before, the best thing to do is just walk away and hope you guys at one point realise what a wonderful thing you are destroying.

tbh I'm not holding my breath...


To Hilmar this just confirms his tact "good. I want to replace customer base with 12-15yos who can't think"

edit:ugh coffee

Kynder Furlow
Posted - 2011.06.25 17:56:00 - [2558]
 

Perhaps, another interpretation:

Quote:
This week has seen quite a controversy unfold. In almost the same instant as we deployed Incarna - which by the way is one of our more smooth and successful expansions, not to mention absolutely gorgeous - an internal newsletter with rather controversial topics addressed leaked out. To further compound the confusion there was a clear and rather large gap in virtual goods pricing expectation and reality with a large segment of the community. Im going to address both these issues right here.


I wasnt here for the Incarna deployment, but now Ive updated, it seems fine to me. Ive got what I was expecting to see and by and large I enjoy it - I love the ability to stand on the 'balcony' and looka t the ship. He's also acknowledged that the pricing policy of vanity goods on Nex was different (higher) than a large portion of the playerbase thought it was going to be.

Quote:
Fearless

Fearless is one of our company values. Its also the name of an internal newsletter that has been designed and developed specifically to catalyze discussions on controversial topics. One of the biggest elephants in the room these days, not just for EVE but for the gaming industry as a whole, is virtual goods sales and microtransactions.

Therefore we dedicated an entire issue to exactly that topic. Its worth mentioning that the topic of the issue was "Greed is good?" as a way to ask a question that would then be debated back and forth and often exaggerated purposefully to draw contrasts and make points. The result of that is now widely available on the internet.


+ re-read the entire paragraph about the 'Fearless' internal brainstorm/newsletter. It seems it was just somewhere for CCP staff to look at everything that's possible. They were responding to questions like "What could we do?" - not "What shall we do".. COULD...

[Pricing Structure] - the whole pricing structure is pretty self explanatory, but the following is interesting:

Quote:
We will gradually introduce items at other price points, definitely lower and probably higher than whats in the store today. We hope you enjoy them and are as passionate about them as you are of the current items that are for sale.


That doesnt say 'we will gradually introduce ships and ammo' -- taken in context of the rest of the paragraph it means 'we will gradually introduce other items of clothing and accessories, at lower and higher costs that you've already seen'.

If you take the statement out of context (like, in relation to the leaked document), you could sure take "items" to mean "everything and anything" ..

-- Overall --
I think it could have been worded better. It doesn't strictly say one way or the other, but taken in context of *itself*, it implies only other vanity items will be added to NEx.

Just saying :P

Pew-pew and out.


Tiger Prince
Minmatar
Peace Million Foundation
Shadow of xXDEATHXx
Posted - 2011.06.25 17:57:00 - [2559]
 

Originally by: CCP Zulu
People have been shocked by the price range in the NeX store, but you should remember that we are talking about clothes. Look at the clothes you are currently wearing in real life. Do you have any specific brands? Did you choose it because it was better quality than a no-name brand? Assume for a short while that you are wearing a pair of $1,000 jeans from some exclusive Japanese boutique shop. Why would you want to wear a pair of $1,000 jeans when you can get perfectly similar jeans for under $50? What do other people think about you when they see you wearing them? For some you will look like the sad culmination of vainness while others will admire you and think you are the coolest thing since sliced bread. Whichever it is, it is clear that by wearing clothes you are expressing yourself and that the price is one of the many dimensions that clothes possess to do that in addition to style and fit. You don't need to buy expensive clothes. In fact you don't need to buy any clothes. Whatever you choose to do reflects what you are and what you want others to think you are.


The major problem is that you aren't giving us the option for the under $50 pair of jeans, the closer comparison is either buy the $1000 pair or go naked (some would be willing to pay for that option too)

The other major problem is that the real issue was never addressed. Does CCP plan to issue non-vanity items in the NEX? It needs to be addressed. The *****footing around the issue that has the community up in arms is just making everyone upset. The way I see it is that CCP can come out and say 1 of 3 things:
1: No, only vanity items will be released. (most people of the community would rejoice and request that statement in writing)
2: Yes, we have plans to offer non-vanity items. (some will rage quit, most will stick around to see how bad it is screwed up by CCP then laugh at their failure)
3: Maybe, we have no current plans to offer non-vanity items but we are not ruling out the possibility in the future. (most people would still be mad but at least it would be a straight answer not some party line bullsh*t)

In short CCP, answer the question. We don't want to hear about $1000 jeans when we are asking a completely different question.
Will there be non-vanity items in NeX?

Constantinus Maximus
Paxian Expeditionary Force
Posted - 2011.06.25 18:03:00 - [2560]
 

The major problem is they are doing a player purge.

Nothing to do with prices.

Consortium Agent
Posted - 2011.06.25 18:06:00 - [2561]
 

Originally by: Inquisitor Cerberuso
I DON'T SEE YOU PROTESTING ABOUT BOTTING AND MACRO'ING WHICH GIVE MOST NULL SEC ALLIANCES AN ADVANTAGE


Dude... I wrote http://www.reportbots.com. I got a mention at the last fanfest for my efforts to curb the botting problems in Eve. WTF have you done about it?

*THIS* is a much more important topic for me at the moment. *If* they will be introducing pay to win at any point in the near or distant future to this game *it will break*. Period.

Having said that, let me also say this. If this was the first time we've been down this road with CCP I'd be (and have been) on your side of the fence laughing at all the rage emo stuff and wondering why? But I've come over to the other side of the fence after watching CCP duly ignore their customers requests for game content and instead shove all manner of, well, not much really, at us for several years - all the while breaking even more and more of what brought most of us to this game in the first place - internet spaceship pew pew game. Not barbie dolls game, internet spaceship pew pew game. I turned CQ off on patch day. I already played with it on SiSi - it's cool but until there is more to do than flesh spinning I don't see the point.

I also already saw the items in the Noble Exchange, and indeed the noble exchange itself and bought and wore most of the junk they released to help them test. I, personally, have little interest in playing dress up barbies and won't spend real money on vanity items anyway.

If, however, they plan on introducing any of the 'Goron Gecko' actor topics, even in the benign case - where they introduce pay to win (pay real cash for a distinct advantage in an already subscription sandbox game) then it is game over for everyone whether you like it or not.

While I agree that CCP hasn't said they *will* introduce MT items that give players an advantage, the also have *not* said they will not. It's a simple question upon which many, many, many subsriptions to Eve hang in the balance on. Judging from CCPs history in recent years, I can only speculate, assume and am already thoroughly convinced that the lack of a proper response to that one simple question *is* the response. CCP has done this before. They did it with bots if you remember. I raged and wrote reportbots.com in response and it finally got some attention. I think I know what I'm talking about here. If you want to help, unsubscribe your account. You don't have to emo rage quit - you simply have to unsubscribe and give CCP a chance to figure out they made a mistake. In a few months or so, hell who knows - maybe in 6-7 mos from now, they'll either have mitigated this problem, in which case we all come back, or they have not, in which case we haven't wasted another 6-7 mos of our time or money being milked like cows or thought of as golden geese who will blindly and happily pay for CCPs vision of the future - which seems to be in sharp contrast to a spaceship game.

The most disturbing thing of all for me is Hilmar actually thinks that making a game which is more relevant in peoples lives than real life itself is a 'good thing'. It is if your only concern is the bottom line. But man that opened my eyes wide and but quick. Immersion in a game is one thing, but to want your customers to consider their Eve lives more relevant than their real lives just sickens me. I'm all for writing a good game and having people enjoy it, but to make world domination through virtual reality a goal? Ugh.

So, mate, I was on your side a few years ago. I've been here for a long time and loved every minute of playing the game and used to laugh and think people were over-reacting. We're not. We're reacting in the only way CCP ever listens - by unsibscribing our accounts or making such a public spectacle of them that they have little recourse but to listen to their players. This time, they're getting both. That's how f*cked this has gotten.

Here... I have an extra pitchfork for you...

Kynder Furlow
Posted - 2011.06.25 18:07:00 - [2562]
 

Originally by: Constantinus Maximus
The major problem is they are doing a player purge.

Nothing to do with prices.


Thats not a problem, thats good - there are far too many inactive char's with stuff for sale on the market and dead corporations using up good names with good tags B>

Plus, anyone with a name like "hauler2302535" should have all their assets wiped and their ships destroyed every time they log in =D

Jake Maverick
Gallente
X11 Assault and Recon
Posted - 2011.06.25 18:07:00 - [2563]
 

@ Raw23 and Amber. (too lazy to try and make the quote as my dog has an appt with the vet) I get where you are coming from, and I understand the apprehension, and maybe to some extent the anger. But I would still also like to point out, that the EvE economy is NOT a closed circuit. ISK IS generated out of thin air by at least 2 means that I am aware of. 1 Is running missions and the other is mining yeah some of that isk goes back to the circuit immediately in the form of ammo sales crystal sales etc... but asteroids come back every few days(I know the asteroid analogy is bad b/c it depends on a buyer, but mission rewards do not) and missions are always available. If this isk is continually added without a means of removing some from the circuit it will lead to inflation. This is why certain things are sold by NPCs, and corp offices and sov and what not all cost isk. To take it out of the circuit. I think that instead of raging at ccp... maybe we should let them try it out and see if it does break anything. What is EvE really? I think selling Ships for AUR will have actually the opposite effect of inflation. If I can buy a Domi for 5 dollars worth of AUR... the price in isk is going to have to come down to compete. The problem I see comes in the long term. Someone does have to d that ining and someone does have to do that manufacturing. Those lower prices cannot be sustainable. Anyway all I am saying from the begining, is basically, Why don't we let them try what they are doing and look at some actual Data when they present the next market analysis before we surround HQ with pitch forks and torches. Besides it's not like SQL doesn't allow us to selectively roll back. and SISI will not give them any relibale market data to roll with... I'm not sucking up to CCP... I'm just trying to see it from all sides...

4N631
Posted - 2011.06.25 18:09:00 - [2564]
 

Edited by: 4N631 on 25/06/2011 18:25:01
Originally by: CCP Zulu
Hey all. To clarify this blog, its intent was to address two topics and two topics only;

1. What Fearless is and the nature of its content
2. The pricing strategy behind the NeX store

I do realize there are other concerns you have and those will be addressed, but doing it all at the same time would make the messaging tricky and muddled and not allow for a focused discussion. I understand a lot of the frustration going around but if we want to discuss then we need to do so in a constructive and focused manner.

Thanks,
Arnar

Arrow 86 pages over 2500 posts and this is all you have to say?

Pacifica Dace
Posted - 2011.06.25 18:15:00 - [2565]
 

Originally by: TheButcherPete
Originally by: Sanadoon1
I am very concerned and upset with CCP as a company. Their attempts at public relations have been a joke and they seem to enjoy hurting and frustrating their customers. Unfortunately, they also seem unwilling to pay attention to any comments or opinions from their customers. The only question I have at this moment is what can I do, as an individual, to make my voice heard? This post probably won't be noticed or cared about. CCP has repeatedly shown that the CSM's opinions are ignored, subscription cancellation hurts me as much as them. What can I do? Should I write a letter? Go down to the office in Atlanta and make somebody deal with a person face to face?

CCP, tell me what can I do so that you listen to your customers!

CCP Zulu's dev blog also shows extreme disconnect with your players and the leaked email shows how little you care about them. I would be ashamed to break the trust of all these people and by all the frustration and anger that you have personally caused.

I am angry and looking for a way to show CCP that I am so.



Mate, responses like yours that are civil, not filled with "shouting" or curses towards CCP are the kind of responses this thread needs. My reply, your reply and all of the kind "we want to help CCP" posts will be lost in the torrent of pure rage. CCP won't listen to shouting, but posts that are calm despite the players emotion.

I want to see CCP come back as a company that knows it's playerbase.

Just my thoughts, thank you for your post.

-Pete


Well said. I love this game and think that it is unique. I love the long term planning involved in character progression, the variety of gameplay activities and styles and the unique community and in-game economy. That said do to this long term commitment, I would appreciate knowing that the Eve universe will be stable and to know that I am not investing time into my characters just to have that economy crumble and the community dissolve.

I know that this has been asked a thousand times, but I think that an honest, straightforward answer to the question "Are non-vainty items planned for the NeX?" would be a huge help towards stabilizing the current situation, calming the fears of the Eve community and working to restore the community's trust in CCP

-Pacifica

Telven Stareal
Posted - 2011.06.25 18:23:00 - [2566]
 


Originally by: Kynder Furlow
Perhaps, another interpretation:

Quote:
This week has seen quite a controversy unfold. In almost the same instant as we deployed Incarna - which by the way is one of our more smooth and successful expansions, not to mention absolutely gorgeous - an internal newsletter with rather controversial topics addressed leaked out. To further compound the confusion there was a clear and rather large gap in virtual goods pricing expectation and reality with a large segment of the community. Im going to address both these issues right here.


I wasnt here for the Incarna deployment, but now Ive updated, it seems fine to me. Ive got what I was expecting to see and by and large I enjoy it - I love the ability to stand on the 'balcony' and looka t the ship. He's also acknowledged that the pricing policy of vanity goods on Nex was different (higher) than a large portion of the playerbase thought it was going to be.

Quote:
Fearless

Fearless is one of our company values. Its also the name of an internal newsletter that has been designed and developed specifically to catalyze discussions on controversial topics. One of the biggest elephants in the room these days, not just for EVE but for the gaming industry as a whole, is virtual goods sales and microtransactions.

Therefore we dedicated an entire issue to exactly that topic. Its worth mentioning that the topic of the issue was "Greed is good?" as a way to ask a question that would then be debated back and forth and often exaggerated purposefully to draw contrasts and make points. The result of that is now widely available on the internet.


+ re-read the entire paragraph about the 'Fearless' internal brainstorm/newsletter. It seems it was just somewhere for CCP staff to look at everything that's possible. They were responding to questions like "What could we do?" - not "What shall we do".. COULD...

[Pricing Structure] - the whole pricing structure is pretty self explanatory, but the following is interesting:

Quote:
We will gradually introduce items at other price points, definitely lower and probably higher than whats in the store today. We hope you enjoy them and are as passionate about them as you are of the current items that are for sale.


That doesnt say 'we will gradually introduce ships and ammo' -- taken in context of the rest of the paragraph it means 'we will gradually introduce other items of clothing and accessories, at lower and higher costs that you've already seen'.

If you take the statement out of context (like, in relation to the leaked document), you could sure take "items" to mean "everything and anything" ..

-- Overall --
I think it could have been worded better. It doesn't strictly say one way or the other, but taken in context of *itself*, it implies only other vanity items will be added to NEx.

Just saying :P

Pew-pew and out.






I respect your view on this. But as even you say. This implies nothing. It doesn't really answer any questions/concerns of ours.

Myself? I admit I like the idea of CQ, I would like to see where it really leads. BUT, I am concerned on the real lack of customer service/response to the complants listed here and on just about every other forum on this site. Folks talk about problems with perforance, issues with pricing of vanity items and deep concern about the chance of game changing items being listed.

I realize CCP is a business and as one, then need to make money. This is understanable. However at what cost? They are alienating their long term customers. If they really do offer SP/ships/gate unlocks to "special" uber area's they might as well tell all those long time customers to take a flying leap. And for what? To appeal to a different customer base? Kids who will come in, beg their folks for money to be able to get an epic ship and all the skills to fly it... those folks may spend a few hundred right away. But those are the ones that leave after a month.

pipvac
Sacred Templars
RED.OverLord
Posted - 2011.06.25 18:23:00 - [2567]
 

Edited by: pipvac on 25/06/2011 18:25:51
Its 19:08 here in the UK, and TQ shows 49k online on a Saturday night. I'm guessing that the mass exodus must take time to show right? Or is CCP's internal email a better reflection that the silent majority are spending money on vanity items, and continue to play as normal?

I suspect the latter is true, and the ragequits represent an insignificant fraction of the account base, which will soon be replaced by fresh subscribers, who are not put off by the MT model.

I am against MT when it pertains to play2win, because it undermines the investment in skills, and resource gathering, which I have put into the game, as part of my time in the sandbox. PLEX also concerns me, as is nothing more than CCP endorsed RMT, but the positive impact on players who cannot afford subscription charges is a strong advantage, and differentiates this from RMT significantly.

RMT is a similar issue. The community is clearly against the idea that someone can gain an unfair advantage buy spending their disposable income on buying isk, to gain items in game they would otherwise not be able to afford. MT in the context of play2win, will have the same effect in the sandbox, but will be a legitimised version of it. In my humble view a step too far. This is the line that if crossed, will lead to my departure.

Otherwise, the rest is just window dressing, which I can choose not to participate in, without impacting my gameplay in anyway.

A reasoned argument is far more likely to get the attention of the decision makers than a raging lynch mob with nothing to offer other than an unmeasured response.

NellieLovett
Posted - 2011.06.25 18:28:00 - [2568]
 

Originally by: pipvac
Edited by: pipvac on 25/06/2011 18:25:51
Its 19:08 here in the UK, and TQ shows 49k online on a Saturday night. I'm guessing that the mass exodus must take time to show right? Or is CCP's internal email a better reflection that the silent majority are spending money on vanity items, and continue to play as normal?

I suspect the latter is true, and the ragequits represent an insignificant fraction of the account base, which will soon be replaced by fresh subscribers, who are not put off by the MT model.

I am against MT when it pertains to play2win, because it undermines the investment in skills, and resource gathering, which I have put into the game, as part of my time in the sandbox. PLEX also concerns me, as is nothing more than CCP endorsed RMT, but the positive impact on players who cannot afford subscription charges is a strong advantage, and differentiates this from RMT significantly.

RMT is a similar issue. The community is clearly against the idea that someone can gain an unfair advantage buy spending their disposable income on buying isk, to gain items in game they would otherwise not be able to afford. MT in the context of play2win, will have the same effect in the sandbox, but will be a legitimised version of it. In my humble view a step too far. This is the line that if crossed, will lead to my departure.

Otherwise, the rest is just window dressing, which I can choose not to participate in, without impacting my gameplay in anyway.

A reasoned argument is far more likely to get the attention of the decision makers than a raging lynch mob with nothing to offer other than an unmeasured response.


When you unsub, you still have remaining game time until the end of the billing cycle. Wait a month and you will see the real results.

Aviditas
Northstar Cabal
Important Internet Spaceship League
Posted - 2011.06.25 18:28:00 - [2569]
 

Edited by: Aviditas on 25/06/2011 18:39:07
#1 I am not a cash cow to be milked at your whimsy and to be disrespected and not listened to as a customer for over two years.

#2 Yes the people being dragged through the mud are getting what they deserved so long as threats are not involved. You've come to the wrong shop for a pityfest bro. We are Mad. You will ignore us at your financial peril.

#3 I paid (past tense, I unsubbed a few hours ago) for EVE with the understanding that my money gave you some profit and paid for FURTHER DEVELOPMENT OF EVE. I never heard of WoD before yesterday but I'm here to tell you Im not paying for you to ignore the game I play while you dev another game. And yes youre ignoring it. Incarna was crap slapped together by people who pretty obviously could not have cared less.

#4 As of this moment the Corp of which I am the CEO (for the next few weeks anyway till time is done. ) is adopting an AURUM free policy. No one buying it will be recruited nor tolerated.

#5 Zulu seems pretty out of touch with reality. Maybe Icelands economy is rocking again but where I live its over 10% unemployment. If I knew someone with thousand dollar jeans i would probably slap them silly and tell them to get their head outta their arse.

Amber Villaneous
Posted - 2011.06.25 18:29:00 - [2570]
 

Originally by: Jake Maverick
@ Raw23 and Amber. (too lazy to try and make the quote as my dog has an appt with the vet) I get where you are coming from, and I understand the apprehension, and maybe to some extent the anger. But I would still also like to point out, that the EvE economy is NOT a closed circuit. ISK IS generated out of thin air by at least 2 means that I am aware of. 1 Is running missions and the other is mining yeah some of that isk goes back to the circuit immediately in the form of ammo sales crystal sales etc... but asteroids come back every few days(I know the asteroid analogy is bad b/c it depends on a buyer, but mission rewards do not) and missions are always available. If this isk is continually added without a means of removing some from the circuit it will lead to inflation. This is why certain things are sold by NPCs, and corp offices and sov and what not all cost isk. To take it out of the circuit. I think that instead of raging at ccp... maybe we should let them try it out and see if it does break anything. What is EvE really? I think selling Ships for AUR will have actually the opposite effect of inflation. If I can buy a Domi for 5 dollars worth of AUR... the price in isk is going to have to come down to compete. The problem I see comes in the long term. Someone does have to d that ining and someone does have to do that manufacturing. Those lower prices cannot be sustainable. Anyway all I am saying from the begining, is basically, Why don't we let them try what they are doing and look at some actual Data when they present the next market analysis before we surround HQ with pitch forks and torches. Besides it's not like SQL doesn't allow us to selectively roll back. and SISI will not give them any relibale market data to roll with... I'm not sucking up to CCP... I'm just trying to see it from all sides...


I understand what you are saying. But, the isk from rats and mining still come from someone doing something and trainging the skills that let them do that something. Your reasoning on the mining is a prime example of why mining and manufacturing are not as profitable as they should be, just because you mined that trit it is not "free", time is worth something but noobs do not take that into account.

Morar Santee
Posted - 2011.06.25 18:31:00 - [2571]
 

Originally by: pipvac
Its 19:08 here in the UK, and TQ shows 49k online on a Saturday night. I'm guessing that the mass exodus must take time to show right? Or is CCP's internal email a better reflection that the silent majority are spending money on vanity items, and continue to play as normal?

You have to understand that a lot of the people closing down their accounts have paid up front. Some of them for months. I sure hope they'll use all the bandwidth they can get a hold of while their subscription is still active. Anything else would be a gift to CCP that they don't deserve.

That said, 49k isn't exactly a record number, especially for a weekend.

Cy Kho
Posted - 2011.06.25 18:31:00 - [2572]
 

What a joke. Just canceled 2 accounts, downloading a replacement MMORPG.

Eve was so much fun, CCP. Wish you would have just continued to put time and effort into what we all like, which was internet spaceships. Instead, you got greedy and arrogant and decided we would pay for whatever crap you decided to force on us.

Oh well, I had fun for a couple of years. Hope you sell lots of $1000 jeans to all your subscribers who aren't "economically challenged"

M'ktakh
Posted - 2011.06.25 18:33:00 - [2573]
 

Also, consider that EVE relies about 90-95% on word of mouth. As small as the unsubbers may be (lets wait a month to see the subs drop, shall we), they are very, very vocal, and this ****storm will not only affect CCP's current playerbase to tap into, but also the future one, as bitter vets will be fuming left and right over this.

Hell, I'm actually all FOR CQ and vanity items and avatar (as in ingame character representation) level of immersion, because, lets face it, the actual world of EVE is not very immersive, but I strongly disagree with both the presented product, and the presentation that is Incarna and the ****storm.

Onyx Blackman
Posted - 2011.06.25 18:36:00 - [2574]
 

Originally by: Kynder Furlow
Originally by: Constantinus Maximus
The major problem is they are doing a player purge.

Nothing to do with prices.


Thats not a problem, thats good - there are far too many inactive char's with stuff for sale on the market and dead corporations using up good names with good tags B>

Plus, anyone with a name like "hauler2302535" should have all their assets wiped and their ships destroyed every time they log in =D


Player purge, not a character purge

Harpalyce Dynameos
Posted - 2011.06.25 18:39:00 - [2575]
 

Edited by: Harpalyce Dynameos on 25/06/2011 19:04:12
Edited by: Harpalyce Dynameos on 25/06/2011 18:55:28
So yeah that was cool. I went to bed thinking, I love CCP they're bound to sort this out in the morning, I said some heated things in the moment, but damnit Zulu doesn't taste good in my mouth *zing* 50 pages later and not a single blue response. Sure it's the weekend, but I find it odd that with the chaos going on you could actually go home! So the lack of answer one way or another about what the hell is going to happen with the NeX is telling.

Sure the pricing in the NeX is absurd compared to other "micro transactions" (and just because 1B ISK isn't far off for a player to reach doesn't mean the player is rich in RL... plus have you guys been watching too much 1978 Battlestar Galactica, last I check micro was generally accepted as being small, but maybe it's asinine for the players to assume micro, and not just go with transactions, but live and let live) Which brings up a great point! You don't have to buy from the NeX! I know I got that! Thanks for telling me like I didn't know! I never wanted to in the first place! Thanks for the update Zulu! But we kind of missed that blog we were promised that was going to talk about the pricing structure... so the players have nothing to go on... so even I personally thought we'd be looking at $0.99-$5.00, but nope, much worse, which is cool, solidifies my thought I'd never purchase from the NeX. It's all just for vanity after all right? right? ...oh gawd... And to quote myself on the feedback thread:

Quote:
MT? Yeah...I don't even think I'm allowed to talk to you anymore CCP... You do realize I could buy a brand new fully released game, in a box, from an actual store, that actually is polished... FOR THE SAME PRICE AS YOUR VANITY ITEMS?! -1 gazillion internets :(


Then I find out about this Fearless newsletter, yeah you confirmed my thoughts, it's an internal document meant to spark debate. But the problem here is that it should have never been thought about period! You don't quit meth and think, you know what, what if I try a strawberry variety, hypothetical of course! Or just a little... You don't promise no game changing MT then within the confines of your Icelandic/Shanghai/Atlanta fortresses think "but what if..." That's a road you don't want to start down, but I guess you already have.

I'm pretty depressed at the turn of events occurring in my sandbox, finding ****storms in it (ffs you can say ****storm in your blog, but me, at 25 years of age, must be censored, ffs just one more straw), and all the butterflies are gone. I've been playing since early 2007, that's 4 years, over $500 later I find myself questioning if I want to drop another $500, let alone another $15, only to be talked down to by a dev blog, as if we're the ones not being fair... Because dammit admonishing your customers is always right!

CCP it's been fun, and while I got several months left on my subscriptions, doesn't mean I don't spite you right now. If communication never opens up and the players fears put to rest, I might find myself without the companionship of my sandbox.

Xue Tzestu
Posted - 2011.06.25 18:42:00 - [2576]
 

You know I just started the game a little bit before Incarna. I was fairly stoked for Incarna. CQ was something I wanted for some time in EVE...I had toyed with the game before but it hadn't held my attention till recently. At the start of the wildfire of hate I was still supportive. Even after reading the newsletter that was leaked I was still supportive. It wasn't hard once you realize the intent of it all. It wasn't hard not being here for supposed promises of before. I mean I could understand people being upset to a extent, but I felt some things were blown out of porportion.

So I kept reading and reading and reading the appology thread. Kept looking at peopls concerns. Kept trying to understand peoples rage at this all. Even then I still thought most of the anger was a bit much. It didn't seem to be that big a deal to me. Sure, disapointment, a bit of anger I could understand. The ammount of vitrol that flowed from some people I couldn't understand at all. Then I read the blog post a short while ago...

To say it changed my understanding would be a understatement. The first part...sure that was great. It needed to be said and was said well. The second part on the other hand... The comparison of real clothing to virtual items was at best naive. At worst... it was plain ignorant. These aren't things we wear in real life. In real life you pay for quality. In EVE there is no difference in quality. Its all the same. The best that could be done to simulate that would be quality of textures...thats a insult to us at best. Charging us for good quality textures...would be absurd. Charging us prices thats close to real life items is a insult as well.

Besides that the largest issue screamed at CCP from the player base...wasn't even remotely addressed. The singular most important issue...and its ignored. The fact they commented with pure contempt about the secondary issue of pricing to us...

As much as I'd love to keep supporting things, supporting the game, supporting WoD by proxy....I have a hard time supporting that decision.

Grimpak
Gallente
Midnight Elites
Echelon Rising
Posted - 2011.06.25 18:44:00 - [2577]
 

lesse... my account expires on the... 26th next month. I'm gonna try to hold on for this time to see if anything happens.

if not, I always have Perpetuum. the game actually looks like EVE circa 2004.

with the exception you're in a bot that is.

Zarat Weissman
Posted - 2011.06.25 18:44:00 - [2578]
 

Im still waiting for this -> "Well continue monitoring the forums and other communications channels and pick up and reply if there are concerns not covered by this blog."

There are tons of stuff to reply to...and yet all we get is silence and leaked stuff.

WTF

Telven Stareal
Posted - 2011.06.25 18:48:00 - [2579]
 

I ran out of room.

As I was saying that customer base is not going to show the dedication that their current customer base does. I haven't played that long myself, only a few years. But I had settled in for the long haul. Now based off of the replys I have seen from CCP or lack there of. I may find a different mmo to play. I am not a fan of the thought that some kid could come into the game and be able to fly a fully t2 fitted BS or any uber ship. I put time into the game to get where I am at. As many other ppl have, and as many ppl have stated, we want an answer. A real answer and not a dev giving a vague statement that says they know our issues and nothing more... we know what our concerns are. If we want someone to repost it, we can do that ourselves.

Please don't take this as rage. I am simply explaining my view and would love to have an answer.

P.S. you may have done more damage to yourselves by acknowledgeing that the leak was real and claiming it was a "theory" then a plan. Because anything that could be listed as a thoery could become a real plan at some point. You would have been better off simply dening it all together, considering you have already destoryed the trust of your customers.. why start being somewhat honest about that now of all times? I urge you, no beg you please let us know if you plan on putting things other than vanity items in the shop!

Lock out
Fairlight Corp
Rooks and Kings
Posted - 2011.06.25 18:55:00 - [2580]
 

". In almost the same instant as we deployed Incarna - which by the way is one of our more smooth and successful expansions"

Please visit your user settings to re-enable images.

There's a broadsword with a bubble up in Jita ! Successful expansion ? Delusional much ?


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