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EscapeArtist
NOVA TECH
Hephaestus Forge Alliance
Posted - 2011.06.25 09:37:00 - [2281]
 

Ok I will reply to this blog within the confines of the subjects covered, because that's what Zulu wants. Rolling Eyes However the burning question on the communities mind is; will MT come to in game items!

Regardless of the elephant in the room, I am sickened by the tone and stand point presented within this blog firstly while I feel it was right to clarify what 'fearless' is, that was not enough in my opinion as you fail to address the issue it represents and instead decided to defend the author (whom let's face it didn't really need you pulling the draw bridge up on them, making it worse!)

Secondly I find it ridiculous that you believe the price point for these vanity items is justified, in game is not real world!!! The very fact the the community has reacted so negatively and you responded; deal with it, is asserting you haven't heard the community at all

Tl;dr PR disaster, in game items do not demand real world prices.


I am glad I am on a sub break from eve at the moment, I see no reason to recommit to this game if this is the attitude and future for EVE. It's slight corny to say but, I thought you were different. Or to but it another way... You seem pretty sh*tty to me now.

PresidentScrewb
Posted - 2011.06.25 09:37:00 - [2282]
 

This dev blog is absolutely no answer to the questions we have. CCP; LEARN TO READ OUR PROBLEMS. I will state the questions;

- WILL AURUM EVER BE MORE THEN JUST CLOTHING AND CUSTOMIZATION?
- WHY IS INCARNA A FAILURE SO FAR? WHY SO LITTLE FOR SO MUCH TIME?
- WHY DON'T YOU GIVE IS AN IDEA ABOUT WHAT IS COMING WHEN?
- PERFORMANCE ISSUES!!!?
- LIMITATIONS CAUSED BY CQ?


You guys are destroying the community, you can eiter live with a destroyed eve, or try to make something of it. Now, your only killing instead of healing. Expectation management is something to be learned hear, after 5 years of waiting for Incarna, you now trow **** at us. And you wonder why we trow it back???

This dev blog is utterly failure to those who have been waiting for answers, one of those is me.

Jackie Fisher
Syrkos Technologies
Joint Venture Conglomerate
Posted - 2011.06.25 09:40:00 - [2283]
 

Originally by: CCP Zulu
Hey all. To clarify this blog, its intent was to address two topics and two topics only;

1. What Fearless is and the nature of its content
2. The pricing strategy behind the NeX store

I do realize there are other concerns you have and those will be addressed, but doing it all at the same time would make the messaging tricky and muddled and not allow for a focused discussion. I understand a lot of the frustration going around but if we want to discuss then we need to do so in a constructive and focused manner.

Thanks,
Arnar

So if this blog was just to address the newsletter/Nex pricing what is the ETA on a blog addressing the pay2win question?

Kentren
Posted - 2011.06.25 09:40:00 - [2284]
 

I am entirely ok with no name brand clothes in fact for whatever its worth my entire wardrobe such as it is based entirely on that kind of cheap clothing.

Sergio Ling
Posted - 2011.06.25 09:40:00 - [2285]
 

easily one of my favourite devs

Ltd SpacePig
FISKL GUARDS
RED.OverLord
Posted - 2011.06.25 09:41:00 - [2286]
 

To you all that unsubbed.. THANK YOU!! no i don't have to listen to your *****ing anymore!



Tavin Aikisen
Caldari
Revenent Defence Corperation
Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive
Posted - 2011.06.25 09:43:00 - [2287]
 

Fearless doesn't necessarily mean you're making the smart move. It just means you're not scared of the consequences of ANY move, including a bad one.

After the feedback that's being unleashed, including the unsubscribing, I hope you are fearless.

Yeo San
Neoanarchistic Society
Posted - 2011.06.25 09:46:00 - [2288]
 

Firstoff, Arnar Hrafn Gylfason aka CCP Zulu, something personal: your devblog is one of the biggest communication catastrophies I have ever seen around EVE.

Even the title of your devblog indicates that you are not taking the eve players serieously enough. its not just "rage" about a new feature. it is more, and I am trying to make you understanding what happens, even if I think that you won't even read this post nor any other of ccp employees will do.

It is not the disussion about a new eve feature alone, it's about the way you introduced it and the way you responded at criticism.

All in all it seems, that you are treating your customers like cows that can be milked any further to create more profit. You are revealing the demands of your american owners (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/General_Catalyst_Partners) by ideological approaches with shiny expressions like "fearless" and "deliver" (I will be talking about that, too) and with new polished grafics. Of course, EVE LOOKS better than before, but the structure behind eve has massively changed.

EVE is no longer a game made by players for players.
EVE now is a monetary object to investors that has to provide profits.
THIS is now totally unrevealed and this is why your player base is upset.

Making computer games is always about making money, that means holding the player base you have and acquiring a new players. You did well in optically polishing the game and lowering the entrance barriers. EVE is a challenging game and I estimate, that a high percentage of players does not continue playing EVE after the trial, because they feel that it still is a game too complicated to easy get into. I like EVE because of this complexity that it still provides content to me, that is interesting to me after 3,5 years of gameplay.

But there are different ways of making money.

one is: to lay open the numbers, to communicate, to argument, to define clear aims and to estimate costs. This way of transparency is disadvantageous because internal data may get into false hands, on the other side is a community that knows what it's paying for.

the other is: **** your community.
and this is what is happening exactely now.
with every political or economical change there is protest. the question is how much and how long it will remain. Systemdivergent streams can be blocked or absorbed by a system, if the system is strong enough. This means: You can realize a critical content, if the majority wont protest and the minority leaves or gets exhaustet. that is how politics is made and ccp now tries with us.

Originally by: CCP Zulu
Hey all. To clarify this blog, its intent was to address two topics and two topics only;

1. What Fearless is and the nature of its content
2. The pricing strategy behind the NeX store
[...]


Please note, Arnar, that there is a difference between "fearless" and "dumb", "courage" and "overenthusiam". The other question is: Who or what has to be feared? Obviously "fearless" is adressing to your player community, because a ridiculous pricing structure to be reasoned by "elite" approach is nothing else, than the hope that a player base can be split enough, that those who will feel cofortated by being "premium" and "elite" are willing to spend more rl-money than before.

Please note, too, that some players would be wealthy enough to buy themselves an "elite" status, but deny it, because this has no place in a virtual game.

The abovementioned concerns and the criticism in this thread should concern you.
But the *new*, "fearless" CCP won't care about it's community.
You'll lose the old community. good luck with the new.
Thread will be locked,
Case closed.

---
perhaps something about me and my point of view:
For me, EVE was a wonderful game, full of possibilites, that's why I fed three accounts with over 600$ a year, and now I am thinking about cancelling this accounts.

Tl;dr: capitalization of CCP is killing eve.
CCP employees not taking this seriously and mocking community.

Ragnoroc
Posted - 2011.06.25 09:46:00 - [2289]
 

Edited by: Ragnoroc on 25/06/2011 09:47:37
Originally by: Takumi Shinano
Don't go for Zulu's head, poor bugger probably typed in almost exactly what he was told to, either that or he submitted it for vetting and had it neutered.

Hilmar, now. That's another story.

(Neither Mister_Eon or his alter-ego Takumi Shinano advocate the use of violence, threat of violence, suggestion of violence or mention of violence, whether real or imaginary in response to game dramaz)


If that was aimed at my post it was not my intention to 'go' for Zulus heed. I really hope that he had a gun at his head it would mean there are still some people with integrity at CCP, my post was aimed fairly and squarely at the upper management and the architects of this new direction.

Lets face it, it is set in stone now and there is nothing we can do any more other than unsub and watch the painful death of Eve.

Coco Caine
Posted - 2011.06.25 09:48:00 - [2290]
 

This blog confirms that CCP has moved on from game development to racketeering.

'People have been shocked by the price range in the NeX store, but you should remember that we are talking about clothes.'

May I remember that you are creating and maintaining an INTERNET SPACESHIP GAME. I'm not interested in playing and paying for an INTERNET CLOTHES game.

I have unsubscribed, and will stay so until this AUR,NEX bulltish is gone.

CCP once found a perfect solution for MT gaming with PLEX trading, no need to incompetently devolve on this concept.

Unsubscribe too if you want to make a point!



Dominik Miethling
Posted - 2011.06.25 09:51:00 - [2291]
 

I laughed at the "response" to our rage. We already knew that You do have weird ideas and opinions but this is hilarious. If it wasn't for my fav game i would still laugh.
The first thing i did with the Incarna-Release was to deactivate Captains Quarter. The second to continue not caring about the stuff you thought awesome of. All I care about is the core game and you continue to ignore it. If You do not go back to your roots, you will loose despite all the "success"(52 monocles my ass).
I will watch closely how You decide and then I will decide.

HanSolos Daddy
Posted - 2011.06.25 09:54:00 - [2292]
 

Can I sue the tool calling himself "Arnar Hrafn Gylfason" for the cost of a new Logitech G510 Keyboard and a glass of Glenmorangie 1981? I spewed my single-malt scotch all over the keyboard because I made the mistake of drinking while reading his blogarbage.

Broken Star
Gallente
Federal Navy Academy
Posted - 2011.06.25 09:55:00 - [2293]
 

Quote:
'People have been shocked by the price range in the NeX store, but you should remember that we are talking about clothes.'


Yes bloody stupid virtual clothes, that cost more than battleships, it's laughable.

Aldrad
Caldari
Eve Heroes
Posted - 2011.06.25 09:57:00 - [2294]
 

Originally by: Ltd SpacePig
To you all that unsubbed.. THANK YOU!! no i don't have to listen to your *****ing anymore!


I think it's pretty obvious you're oblivious to what's going on here. Move along, join the rest of the sheep.

Swifty Blowback
Posted - 2011.06.25 09:58:00 - [2295]
 

Dear EVE players

I'm not trying to play devil's advocate here, but...

CCP have clearly spent a lot of cash developing Incarna. Why did they do that? Not to give the players a nice User Interface, not to fix issues and not to enhance the overall player experience. It was so that they could alter and add to their business model by charging lots of real life cash for in game pixels. But now the EVE community has realised that this could be a real game changer. And so do CCP. They realise that a few greedy people will pay a lot of their hard earned cash to gain an in game advantage.

Greed is Good? For CCP yes. For a vast majority of the EVE community, no.

Here's how I see it:

1) CCP have invested a lot of time and cash in making Incarna and CQ.
2) CCP have to justify that investment and make even more money.

If vanity items don't give them their expected higher profits, they may move to other potentially more lucrative stuff. Yes, that'd be game altering stuff that reaps peoples greed. Greed is Good?

I'd say the community would have been happy to pay an extra dollar a month for just a few small things that improve the EVE experience. CCP ignored the community and implemented a new business model that can have a massive and unwanted effect on game play.

They have not listened. They are not listening. But as I see it, the position now is this:

How can CCP go back (and take a big loss) on the huge investment they've made with Incarna?

Answering that last question is possibly the best hope that the existing EVE community has. If CCP can't go back or take the "loss", EVE is dead. At least for me and quite a few thousand other players.

Aldrad
Caldari
Eve Heroes
Posted - 2011.06.25 09:59:00 - [2296]
 

Originally by: Coco Caine
This blog confirms that CCP has moved on from game development to racketeering.

'People have been shocked by the price range in the NeX store, but you should remember that we are talking about clothes.'

May I remember that you are creating and maintaining an INTERNET SPACESHIP GAME. I'm not interested in playing and paying for an INTERNET CLOTHES game.

I have unsubscribed, and will stay so until this AUR,NEX bulltish is gone.

CCP once found a perfect solution for MT gaming with PLEX trading, no need to incompetently devolve on this concept.

Unsubscribe too if you want to make a point!





I agree. I came to play internet spaceshipz, not have my computer burned out while docked looking at fanciful clothing. You want that crap? Make a clothes designer game.

Kyang Tia
Posted - 2011.06.25 09:59:00 - [2297]
 

Wow. Even if I assume that everything in this blog is actually true and not just damage control: It still doesn't adress the real issues as has been pointed out, and most likely deliberately so. It is simply not imaginable that, after the 250 page ****storm and everything else, CCP people still don't know what we're talking about. This means they ignored the most important issues on purpose, and, what's even worse:

CCP, you disrespected the playerbase. You got slapped in the face for doing it with the largest threadnought I have ever seen, with player demonstrations in front of Jita stations that grew so large the system had to be closed, with hundreds of pages full of hate and also constuctive criticism. People are angry and they are rightfully so. Yet, the word "sorry" doesn't appear one single time in this blog. From my point of view, this can only mean one thing: "STFU, let us do our job and make money, honestly we don't really care if 1000 bitter vets turn away from the game"

Kyang

Angeliq
Minmatar
Soimii Patriei
Vera Cruz Alliance
Posted - 2011.06.25 10:01:00 - [2298]
 

From evenews24.com

After receiving this email 24 hours ago, I held it up and classified as a troll in k u g u t s u m e n . c o m foreplay, which is where a some of our intel gets validated. I refused to believe this email was real, but evidence, confirmation from several sources including agents with very close ties with CCP has confirmed it, I refused to believe it veracity.

After reading the CCP Zulu release, we broke down as we became aware of the similar direction between the CCP DevLog and this “leaked email”, we decided to calm down and post this after heavily consulting advisors, ex-game developers and well informed EVE online players.

The email to which we hold no authorship, editing, nor claim to be true based on the fact that we are still in denial/shock even a day after, we are assured to have the “Hilmar” writing style, no-one before other than the original source of our leak reffered to the newsletter as ‘fearless’ and the content of the email certainly goes inline with the poorly received DevBlog message CCP Zulu expressed.

We Do not claim the veracity of this email it came to us via a Drop Box (just as the newsletter), we didn’t published immediately out of the respect we feel for CCP games, yet the evidence has been mounting all day as we keep digging around and other clues has been pooping up or keep in mind that maybe we Eve News24 are being peons to the well planned machinations of persons willing to destroy CCP.

Said this, Read It and Make Your Own Conclusions.

E-mail can be found HERE

Shintai
Gallente
Arx Io Orbital Factories
Arx Io
Posted - 2011.06.25 10:04:00 - [2299]
 

Apparently €€P got their headds stuck up their a$$. No wonder they cant see their endless row of epic mistakes.

Starlight Eternal
Minmatar
Bene Tleilax technologies
Posted - 2011.06.25 10:06:00 - [2300]
 

Congratulations on wonderful blog response .... not!!!

As a reward i give you -2 subscriptions!



Tawn Maihac
The New Era
C0NVICTED
Posted - 2011.06.25 10:06:00 - [2301]
 

Quote:
People have been shocked by the price range in the NeX store, but you should remember that we are talking about clothes. Look at the clothes you are currently wearing in real life. Do you have any specific brands? Did you choose it because it was better quality than a no-name brand? Assume for a short while that you are wearing a pair of $1,000 jeans from some exclusive Japanese boutique shop. Why would you want to wear a pair of $1,000 jeans when you can get perfectly similar jeans for under $50? What do other people think about you when they see you wearing them? For some you will look like the sad culmination of vainness while others will admire you and think you are the coolest thing since sliced bread. Whichever it is, it is clear that by wearing clothes you are expressing yourself and that the price is one of the many dimensions that clothes possess to do that in addition to style and fit. You don't need to buy expensive clothes. In fact you don't need to buy any clothes. Whatever you choose to do reflects what you are and what you want others to think you are.


CCP should remember that they are not a 1000$ pair of pants.

CCP Zulu, if this is your vision on micro transactions, why not up the esubscription fee to 75$ a month?
That way, you will only have the cool kids playing your high fashion game


Wilson Dixie
Posted - 2011.06.25 10:08:00 - [2302]
 

Originally by: Angeliq
From evenews24.com

After receiving this email 24 hours ago, I held it up and classified as a troll in k u g u t s u m e n . c o m foreplay, which is where a some of our intel gets validated. I refused to believe this email was real, but evidence, confirmation from several sources including agents with very close ties with CCP has confirmed it, I refused to believe it veracity.

After reading the CCP Zulu release, we broke down as we became aware of the similar direction between the CCP DevLog and this “leaked email”, we decided to calm down and post this after heavily consulting advisors, ex-game developers and well informed EVE online players.

The email to which we hold no authorship, editing, nor claim to be true based on the fact that we are still in denial/shock even a day after, we are assured to have the “Hilmar” writing style, no-one before other than the original source of our leak reffered to the newsletter as ‘fearless’ and the content of the email certainly goes inline with the poorly received DevBlog message CCP Zulu expressed.

We Do not claim the veracity of this email it came to us via a Drop Box (just as the newsletter), we didn’t published immediately out of the respect we feel for CCP games, yet the evidence has been mounting all day as we keep digging around and other clues has been pooping up or keep in mind that maybe we Eve News24 are being peons to the well planned machinations of persons willing to destroy CCP.

Said this, Read It and Make Your Own Conclusions.

E-mail can be found HERE


If that's legit, then this is a very disturbing email to read.

Pyrasol
Posted - 2011.06.25 10:09:00 - [2303]
 

Originally by: Angeliq
From evenews24.com

After receiving this email 24 hours ago, I held it up and classified as a troll in k u g u t s u m e n . c o m foreplay, which is where a some of our intel gets validated. I refused to believe this email was real, but evidence, confirmation from several sources including agents with very close ties with CCP has confirmed it, I refused to believe it veracity.

After reading the CCP Zulu release, we broke down as we became aware of the similar direction between the CCP DevLog and this “leaked email”, we decided to calm down and post this after heavily consulting advisors, ex-game developers and well informed EVE online players.

The email to which we hold no authorship, editing, nor claim to be true based on the fact that we are still in denial/shock even a day after, we are assured to have the “Hilmar” writing style, no-one before other than the original source of our leak reffered to the newsletter as ‘fearless’ and the content of the email certainly goes inline with the poorly received DevBlog message CCP Zulu expressed.

We Do not claim the veracity of this email it came to us via a Drop Box (just as the newsletter), we didn’t published immediately out of the respect we feel for CCP games, yet the evidence has been mounting all day as we keep digging around and other clues has been pooping up or keep in mind that maybe we Eve News24 are being peons to the well planned machinations of persons willing to destroy CCP.

Said this, Read It and Make Your Own Conclusions.

E-mail can be found HERE


ShockedShockedShockedShockedShockedShockedShockedShockedShockedShockedShocked... I just cancelled my sub!!!

Ginny Xuun
Posted - 2011.06.25 10:10:00 - [2304]
 

Originally by: Austherus Sialomaet
Originally by: Lord o'Darkness
Originally by: Cutter Isaacson

ARE YOU GOING TO BE INTRODUCING NON-VANITY ITEMS INTO THE DAMN NEX STORE OR NOT?




This. All you have to do is answer this ONE question.



You know why they are not going to answer this question? Because they can't answer you a no.

Remair
Posted - 2011.06.25 10:12:00 - [2305]
 

Edited by: Remair on 25/06/2011 10:22:26
For my 2 cents on all of this:

I actually liked CQ. It is far from finished, slow and really needs to be optional for those folk who cannot run it (especially as it adds no functionality to the game). I like EVE. Until now I have ranked CCP up there with the very top development teams. However your handling of this situation is just so frustrating for a fan of both the game and yourselves.

People do not want non-vanity items from MTs in eve. Personally I do not want any MTs (the idea of paying subscription fees for you to develop something that you then sell back to me doesn't make sense. It is why I quit ST:O and why I refuse to use the NeX). Non-vanity items will cripple the ingame economy, even if not everyone will want to pay $ to get the ships they will pay using ingame isk to get the best. This cuts out the entire production cycle completely as manufacturers, miners, inventors, haulers, station traders etc. all become obsolete or at best catering for lower-level players. All these people you will force out of your game in addition to those who have or are leaving already. This is why people are so angry. This is why people want one simple question answered: Are you going to bring in non-vanity items in microtransactions?

Then instead of answering the question you have repeatedly sidestepped it. All this has done is make things worse as you can no doubt see. I understand that in response to threats and calls for firings you have become defensive (anyone would whose job or safety is called into question) but there really is no way you can avoid giving an answer. If you continue to ignore the question people will assume you are saying "yes we will put in microtransactions for everything" or at best leaving the option open for yourselves. Please, just from a business point of view, do the maths. Will microtransactions ever bring in the amount of money you are losing now and will lose in the future from taking this stance? How many items will have to sell to make up for all these canceled subscriptions? Not just now but across the months or years that they would have happily paid for?

In the leaked document it was said that MTs are a good way of getting feedback of what players want in a way subscriptions don't. If you want feedback then look at this forum, look ingame, look across message boards all over the internet. People do not want this. They are desperately trying to give you feedback, telling you with messages, ingame demonstrations and cancelled accounts. Keep this up and ever more will give you feedback on this situation via that "unsubscribe" button.

I used to love CCP for the fact they put the players first. I could recommend eve for everyone as you promised that nobody would ever have to pay beyond subscription fees for any additional content. Now I simply do not trust you, and for the record if MTs ever sell a non-vanity item in eve I will quit and never return.

Please make the right choice CCP, and make it fast.

EDIT: Just read the e-mail... please tell me that isn't true. If your CEO's response to the outrage of the player base is just to ignore it and do what you like anyway please read gaming history. SOE thought they were innovating with SWG's NGE, they thought the players were silly in not believing in them and thought they would stay no matter what. SWG is now dead, a tale of warning for developers to listen to their players. If this e-mail is real, EVE is going to follow it.

Gonn Ekollon
Posted - 2011.06.25 10:18:00 - [2306]
 

Being fearless is often related to stupidity.The poor oblivious dronts were fearless and got extinct. Losing customer base seems another way to go extinct.

Glaso Fruixette
Posted - 2011.06.25 10:18:00 - [2307]
 

Originally by: Aldrad
You want that crap? Make a clothes designer game.


They're already doing that, it's called world of darkness...

Bawsk
Posted - 2011.06.25 10:18:00 - [2308]
 

Originally by: CCP Zulu


I do realize there are other concerns you have and those will be addressed, but doing it all at the same time would make the messaging tricky and muddled and not allow for a focused discussion. I understand a lot of the frustration going around but if we want to discuss then we need to do so in a constructive and focused manner.

Thanks,
Arnar


No.
No, it's not tricky at all.



ARE YOU MOVING PAST VANITY ITEMS FOR AURUM?:
[ ] YES
[ ] NO




Just put an X in the box that applies. There is no way that this can become "Muddled"
It's pretty easy and doesn't require a focus group powow.Neutral

Magaskaweel
Posted - 2011.06.25 10:19:00 - [2309]
 

So, you dont give a **** about what we say uh? You only care about what we do? Well, my sub isnt getting renewed, wait 15 days and you'll see. And no more €€P products to me ever. Wait for the release of dust and wod and you'll see that too.

****ing activision business school graduates. **** you all.

Integra Arkanheld
Posted - 2011.06.25 10:20:00 - [2310]
 

Originally by: Remair
For my 2 cents on all of this:

I actually liked CQ. It is far from finished, slow and really needs to be optional for those folk who cannot run it (especially as it adds no functionality to the game). I like EVE. Until now I have ranked CCP up there with the very top development teams. However your handling of this situation is just so frustrating for a fan of both the game and yourselves.

People do not want non-vanity items from MTs in eve. Personally I do not want any MTs (the idea of paying subscription fees for you to develop something that you then sell back to me doesn't make sense. It is why I quit ST:O and why I refuse to use the NeX). Non-vanity items will cripple the ingame economy, even if not everyone will want to pay $ to get the ships they will pay using ingame isk to get the best. This cuts out the entire production cycle completely as manufacturers, miners, inventors, haulers, station traders etc. all become obsolete or at best catering for lower-level players. All these people you will force out of your game in addition to those who have or are leaving already. This is why people are so angry. This is why people want one simple question answered: Are you going to bring in non-vanity items in microtransactions?

Then instead of answering the question you have repeatedly sidestepped it. All this has done is make things worse as you can no doubt see. I understand that in response to threats and calls for firings you have become defensive (anyone would whose job or safety is called into question) but there really is no way you can avoid giving an answer. If you continue to ignore the question people will assume you are saying "yes we will put in microtransactions for everything" or at best leaving the option open for yourselves. Please, just from a business point of view, do the maths. Will microtransactions ever bring in the amount of money you are losing now and will lose in the future from taking this stance? How many items will have to sell to make up for all these canceled subscriptions? Not just now but across the months or years that they would have happily paid for?

In the leaked document it was said that MTs are a good way of getting feedback of what players want in a way subscriptions don't. If you want feedback then look at this forum, look ingame, look across message boards all over the internet. People do not want this. They are desperately trying to give you feedback, telling you with messages, ingame demonstrations and cancelled accounts. Keep this up and ever more will give you feedback on this situation via that "unsubscribe" button.

I used to love CCP for the fact they put the players first. I could recommend eve for everyone as you promised that nobody would ever have to pay beyond subscription fees for any additional content. Now I simply do not trust you, and for the record if MTs ever sell a non-vanity item in eve I will quit and never return.

Please make the right choice CCP, and make it fast.


I agree with this. If MTs ever sell a non-vanity item in EVE I will quit and never return.


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