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Nagasaki Warrior
Posted - 2011.06.25 06:26:00 - [2131]
 

Originally by: Hithalu
Originally by: Jimmy Duce
Quote:

Are you moving beyond VANITY AUR items?





Mail Order Bride
Posted - 2011.06.25 06:27:00 - [2132]
 

Originally by: Nagasaki Warrior
Originally by: Hithalu
Originally by: Jimmy Duce
Quote:

Are you moving beyond VANITY AUR items?






Kara Liselle
Posted - 2011.06.25 06:27:00 - [2133]
 


Zargyl
Black Thorne Corporation
Black Thorne Alliance
Posted - 2011.06.25 06:33:00 - [2134]
 

Edited by: Zargyl on 25/06/2011 06:45:39
ad pricing structure:

I am sorry, but your arguments are flawed. While there are RL jeans that might cost more than those virtual "jeans" you are offering, you will first have to show us RL trousers that have the prize tag of a RL battleship!

You have not been always quick to mention that CQ and that NEX shop are there to provide a stronger/more immersive experience and you have been talking that you see New Eden as an universe of its own. And that NEX shop with its prizes therefore doesn't stand alone! It is both connected to your universe of New Eden as well as to the RL market. Therefore especially for those you have been aiming this at can and will make these connections. That is why the NEX shop is connected to the economy of New Eden and that is why you will see comparisons between these two. And if you compare New Eden prizes for goods which all have a value attached to them in the minds of players who will make connections between these your prizes are utterly absurd.

That is why, with prizes like this, you are breaking your own concept, breaking immersion.

Some RL people might have $1 000 jeans but no person alive has and will ever have a jeans worth a battleship (e.g. like this one for $ 100 million in its time). So please do take back your argument CCP Zulu.


Logesh Sinulf
Posted - 2011.06.25 06:33:00 - [2135]
 

still no answer to

are you going past vanity items srsly?

Cataca
Posted - 2011.06.25 06:34:00 - [2136]
 

I have been off for a bit, cause i need some sleep tbh. But what the **** is this blog supposed to be?

NONE of our concerns are beeing considered. You plan on bringing even MORE EXPENSIVE vanity items into the store. How ****ing out of touch can you be? Are you seriously just waiting for this ****storm to calm down to just carry on with the plan? NO mention of non vanity items in the store. Grand job there, truly. If ccp knows one thing, then its how to calm the community down... not.

I will tell you this right now, as a very calm, collected person. If my sub wasnt extended by plex for the next 50 days i would be SO GONE.

How much more can you screw up? This is bloody self destructive, moronic to boot even.

Teddy Hess
Caldari
United Space Marine Corp
Posted - 2011.06.25 06:36:00 - [2137]
 

Zulu - Please excuse the Diatribe however I must point out that I read Fearlessand your Blog is an insult to the intelligence of your current customer base. It is apparent to me that you assume the customers that put CCP on the map are nothing more than nubile pre-teen icelandic twits who have no means of support other than the monthly allowance mom and dad provide or the cash obtained from selling lemonaid after school on the corner. It is my experience that your Current EVE player is highly educated, intelligent and most if not all of us have careers with corporations where the annual revenue would dwarf CCP or in some cases would dwarf the GDP of Iceland (in the alternative those who do not fit that definition in the professional world are at least highly educated this is said in defernece and in honor of the players who have not embarked on thier careers). In my corporation (which does not dwarf the GDP of Iceland) but does dwarf the annual revenue of CCP - which I am proudly the President of - when we ask our employees to provide us with marketing ideas on our products it is not "exaggerated purposefully to draw contrasts and make points" but is a realistic vision of how our product should evolve. Zulu - this "****storm" is directed at you and not your corporate underlings. I will admit EVE is the intellectual property of CCP and with that ownership you have the right to evolve your product as you see fit. But as a consumer we have the right to voice our disdain and distaste at the envisioned and planned future of a product we purchase. Remember that you will lose your consumers that have supported CCP from the backyard Garage to the Corporate ladder where you currently reside. Be prepared for that backlash for it appears it is strong and purposeful. The Consumers have opined and the Microtransactions discussed in the corporate memorandum should not be tolerated when it comes to game play. If all you are selling is a leather jacket to match an Avatar - then go forward and make profit. I pitty the parents of the individual who actually purchases it. Your response was an affront to my intellect and my business acumen and was nothing more than a failed attempt at Crisis Response in reaction to the leak of a document that was not to be the per-vue of the public forum. Yes you will lose some of your consumer base, yes we will be replaced, yes CCP will make money so you can buy your $1,000 jeans from the Japanese Boutique (by the way you probably look real good in them too). However realize that it is my opinion that you are doing nothing but taking a product that was unique and in all rights excellent and making it cheap. I have a better idea - just team up with ATARI and allow Microtransactions to be purchased in the ATARI C-Store (Like Star Trek Online does). That way your new client base can use the same tokens and alternate between EVE and STO. Just a thought there. Essentially what I am saying is that your response although well directed was a Public Relations failure and the backlash has insulted those of us who can read between the lines. Your statement about Incarna being beautifull - well that is the opinion of the creator - not the consumer. Again I wish you the best in your corporate career but my disdain at the path EVE is taking is in line with the majority of your consumer. However if you want to make the Capitains Quarters better - sell a jar of Vaseline and a subscription to streaming **** (which can be purchased in the NeX store) to be displayed on the screens in front of the couch - because frankly that is about all the new quarters are worth.

Teddy Hess
Director USMCB

Florestan Bronstein
24th Imperial Crusade
Posted - 2011.06.25 06:39:00 - [2138]
 


I wonder if the thing you learn about community management by watching Jurassic Park is to just ignore the raptors...

Lamthara Lachesis
Amarr
NeoCorteX Industry
Shadow of xXDEATHXx
Posted - 2011.06.25 06:40:00 - [2139]
 

we ask you why the prices are so high and you say you're going to introduce items with even higher aurum prices...
we tell you we're sceptic about the whole NeX project and you reply we're passionate...
we got nothing but a bunch of meaningless words

I'm more than astonished... a week ago i thought CCP was a serious company but your reputation is falling down so much soon you'll need to ask the devs to stop writing code and start digging.

Ilmunel
Posted - 2011.06.25 06:44:00 - [2140]
 

Originally by: Nagasaki Warrior
Originally by: Hithalu
Originally by: Jimmy Duce
Quote:

Are you moving beyond VANITY AUR items?







NO MT, you may fear not, but one of my 3 accs alreary unpaid, and im in fear about my beloved game, am worry about this world, it will be destoyed with power mt items, sadly my main acc already paid for a year, can i have my money back?, im quit eve if there will be no trustfull denial obout power mt items

George Wilkes Hill
Posted - 2011.06.25 06:45:00 - [2141]
 

Originally by: Nagasaki Warrior
Originally by: Hithalu
Originally by: Jimmy Duce
Quote:

Are you moving beyond VANITY AUR items?






Tian Oni
Posted - 2011.06.25 06:46:00 - [2142]
 

ITT:

How CCP plans to make Eve pay for one game none of us can play. And another about people whom sparkle.

Rheum Rhabarbarium
BIG
Gentlemen's Agreement
Posted - 2011.06.25 06:49:00 - [2143]
 

So - this really grinds my gears... I guess I'll throw a few of my thoughts out there, and hope things get fixed.

One: Paying prices similar to PHYSICAL GOODS for VIRTUAL GOODS that depend on a SUBSCRIPTION for you to own, and have no resale value makes no sense what so ever. I know you've seen how popular the Valve TF2 store is, but this game does not ask for subscription - that is a HUGE difference. Even the most exclusive, high demand items are less than 10 dollars - this is the price point you should be looking at. The more common stuff are less than a dollar. For $50 or so, you can have every single item they add on the latest update. You are also trying to justify the high costs with 'brand names' and 'exclusivity'... but, they're not brands, they're just s*** you made up, and they're only exclusive because you're charging OUTRAGEOUS amounts of money for them! (Two carriers for a monocle, anyone? ...wtf, srsly?)

One-And-A-Half: Make it a priority to make content the ENTIRE playerbase can enjoy (even if it costs us money), not just the ~100 people who got monocled. Think about the exclusive stuff afterwards. You also need to realize that the majority of people who play EVE work in IT, or don't work, and buy their plain black t-shirts for five bucks at the local wal-mart. We do not spend $3000 a year on golf clubs.

Two: With asking for a subscription fee, AND asking for money with micro-transactions you are creating a conflict of interest in developing the core game and developing content you can charge additional money for. How you're going to solve this is up to you, but the large portion of the playerbase is savvy enough to realize if we're being scammed - it's one of those things you learn with EVE...

Three: What about the condescending attitude in the newsletter? We are not just sheep with wallets. A long time ago, I felt like CCP was in touch with the playerbase, and with the game... but right now it feels like you have no idea what your playerbase wants, or what your game really is like. You are making bad decisions that go further and further in alienating your core audience, and that is what will kill this game.

My advice?

Spin on a ****ing dime, refund NeX purchases, let the people keep their stuff (they earned it by going on a limb here and thinking this might work) and re-think this thing over when you've got a fair catalog of items, at reasonable prices. Backpedal like your life depends on it. Apologize for the condescending attitude you've taken ("You're just mad because you don't understand - here, let us EXPLAIN how AWESOME it is for us to have MORE MONEY!"), and make an effort to show people that CCP isn't all about the money, and actually wants to deliver a good game for loyal subscribers, despite pushing a moneygrubbing expansion on us, which actually disrupted a lot of people's core gameplay. Seriously, you figure this one out, I have no idea how you're gonna talk yourself out of this one.

Arellan
Posted - 2011.06.25 06:49:00 - [2144]
 

The people who raised the ****storm were just being fearless, too. I kind of like having this stuff in the game, though. Anyone wearing a $70 monacle is advertising that he's an easy target for scams.

Now, if you started selling fishnet tops, I might start getting interested.

Gwenywell Shumuku
Posted - 2011.06.25 06:52:00 - [2145]
 

So, CCP won't listen, Hilmar said so clearly in his Mail.

They will basically do everything that is in the fearless newsletter, thats pretty much clear by now.

So...nothing left to do, my subs will run out, end of story.

R2 D3
The Executives
Executive Outcomes
Posted - 2011.06.25 06:54:00 - [2146]
 

CCP you do realise that 52 monocles in 2 days is not so much....?

Also in the dev blog the question is answered regarding what the idea behind the rmt part is. HOWEVER most of us players where already aware that you can rmt a monocle and some boots for your char, what we wanted to know is how this will develop (or better said get out of eve) and why cq isn't optional. Both questions aren't really getting answered as of yet. Tbh no question is answered besides a needless explanation of what the store contains and is selling, something we are all aware of.

As a last word I want to remind you of eve voice. When eve voice where costing 5 euro's a month extra or something nobody used it. At a certain point you made it free.
How come there is some believe those aur things will have more succes.

Jon Whayne
Posted - 2011.06.25 06:55:00 - [2147]
 

This DEV-Blog doenst answeres the essential questions which have been asked multiple times. You still think its about prices of damn vanity items - thats a big LOL on that part.

Probably I havent found the right post of the right DEV,
- but what about the future of eve, of microtransactions?
- What a bout making this wall-looking thingie optional and give us a switch to get out of our beloved ship - if we want so?

There are several more questions not being asked. But hey - in my terms - you haven't understood a thing.

Carmoisine Bavaire
Posted - 2011.06.25 06:56:00 - [2148]
 

Im a bit pussled at what ppl are complaining about ....
Is it that he monockle is too expensive ?
Is it that you can buy it with real money ?
Is it that someone spent valueable devtime making it and not doing something more worthy ?
I see some arguements about not liking ppl that buy items with Real life cash, but to be honest, you can perfectly well do that today.
Some Killboards are actually putting the $, £ and € prices below the ISK value of the loss.
You can get a fully fitted Titan for less than 200 plex, A BS for 1 plex, Faction / deadspace fitted Marauder for like 6 Plex, and a Monockle for 4 ...
Whats the problem ?

Kavin Alavandar
Extropy Dianoetics
Posted - 2011.06.25 06:56:00 - [2149]
 

Edited by: Kavin Alavandar on 25/06/2011 07:07:14
Originally by: Gwenywell Shumuku
So, CCP won't listen, Hilmar said so clearly in his Mail.
When developers listen to crapfests like this, terrible things happen. Hence exactly what Hilmar said. So by all means, let your subscriptions run out. You are not important. I am not important. EVE is legion, so to speak. CCP is ‘listening’ to how the features work, not how scared people are of them.

It's the only reliable way to handle an MMO, especially with crowds possessed of an attitude like this one. What happens on the fora is next to worthless in comparison to how the matters discussed ultimately pan out in the game.

Simply:

results > rhetoric

Originally by: Astralglide
I do think that CCP nailed it on the head in their original leaked email

Originally by: Hilmar Petursson
Currently we are seeing _very predictable feedback_ on what we are doing. Having the perspective of having done this for a decade, I can tell you that this is one of the moments where we look at what our players do and less of what they say. Innovation takes time to set in and the predictable reaction is always to resist change.

If the players make use of the shop, then CCP is going to keep doing it. Seriously, how many people are they really going to lose? (And remember, nobody thinks as highly of your monthly contributions as you do) If they lose 1% of their players but have 20% use the shop, they make out in spades.
Precisely. I'm glad to see someone thinking.

Constantinus Maximus
Paxian Expeditionary Force
Posted - 2011.06.25 06:58:00 - [2150]
 

Edited by: Constantinus Maximus on 25/06/2011 07:01:18
Originally by: Carmoisine Bavaire
Im a bit pussled at what ppl are complaining about ....
Is it that he monockle is too expensive ?
Is it that you can buy it with real money ?
Is it that someone spent valueable devtime making it and not doing something more worthy ?
I see some arguements about not liking ppl that buy items with Real life cash, but to be honest, you can perfectly well do that today.
Some Killboards are actually putting the $, £ and € prices below the ISK value of the loss.
You can get a fully fitted Titan for less than 200 plex, A BS for 1 plex, Faction / deadspace fitted Marauder for like 6 Plex, and a Monockle for 4 ...
Whats the problem ?


The CEO of CCPGames just told the players to go **** themselves "I'm getting new players!"

edit: Actually he didn't even have the courage to say it to our faces. Someone had to gather up the info.

Florestan Bronstein
24th Imperial Crusade
Posted - 2011.06.25 06:58:00 - [2151]
 

Edited by: Florestan Bronstein on 25/06/2011 07:01:23
Originally by: Carmoisine Bavaire
Im a bit pussled at what ppl are complaining about ....
Is it that he monockle is too expensive ?
Is it that you can buy it with real money ?
Is it that someone spent valueable devtime making it and not doing something more worthy ?
I see some arguements about not liking ppl that buy items with Real life cash, but to be honest, you can perfectly well do that today.
Some Killboards are actually putting the $, £ and € prices below the ISK value of the loss.
You can get a fully fitted Titan for less than 200 plex, A BS for 1 plex, Faction / deadspace fitted Marauder for like 6 Plex, and a Monockle for 4 ...
Whats the problem ?

player-driven economy vs MT store

CCP spent the last few years reducing the impact of NPC buy and sell orders on the economy - now they're rolling this back.

And the ability to buy a Titan for 200 PLEX is different from CCP reducing the number of ship fittings I can store in the client to 50 only to sell me an upgrade for AUR later on...

Vaerah Vahrokha
Minmatar
Vahrokh Consulting
Posted - 2011.06.25 07:02:00 - [2152]
 

Edited by: Vaerah Vahrokha on 25/06/2011 07:04:16
Have you ever wondered why this company is called Crowd Control Productions?

Because they corral people where they want. And we are not conforming to their strict rules any more.

You just don't know that yet.

You have been chosen to be Opted Out. They don't want you any longer.

The new playerbase in their plans are rich Apple Store prepubescents and the related $99 license a year Apple Store programmers.


We have been phased out


We have been chosen for extinction


Carmoisine Bavaire
Posted - 2011.06.25 07:05:00 - [2153]
 

Originally by: Florestan Bronstein

player-driven economy vs MT store

And the ability to buy a Titan for 200 PLEX is different from CCP reducing the number of ship fittings I can store in the client to 50 only to sell me an upgrade for AUR later on...


???
Do you want to be able to make and market your own clothes, is that it ?
Are you a clothes designer / chineese child labour profitter and want to make ISK from it too ?
And you have confirmation that you can spent AUR on buying room to store aditional fittings ?

Constantinus Maximus
Paxian Expeditionary Force
Posted - 2011.06.25 07:05:00 - [2154]
 

Edited by: Constantinus Maximus on 25/06/2011 07:07:09
Originally by: Florestan Bronstein
..... CCP reducing the number of ship fittings I can store in the client to 50 only to sell me an upgrade for AUR later on...


"we're almost at the point where we can charge them for features we've already deployed!"

This is where I stopped laughing in the Hilter video.

I knew for sure something was up when matar tattoos went away, but when you hear it expressed like that.....

edit: Carmo.. thin-end-of-the-wedge so to speak. They have been adjusting the code which is the telling part.
There are many areas they removed or gimped features for no apparent reason. Lots of content removed.

Vjorn Angannon
Fleet Escort Services
Posted - 2011.06.25 07:06:00 - [2155]
 

Originally by: CCP Zulu
Hey all. To clarify this blog, its intent was to address two topics and two topics only;

1. What Fearless is and the nature of its content
2. The pricing strategy behind the NeX store

I do realize there are other concerns you have and those will be addressed, but doing it all at the same time would make the messaging tricky and muddled and not allow for a focused discussion. I understand a lot of the frustration going around but if we want to discuss then we need to do so in a constructive and focused manner.

Thanks,
Arnar


Hey CCP Zulu,

nice try at avoiding the main issue/concern(IMO anyways).

The main issue/concern (IMO) is whether or not MT will be anything other than vanity baubles. Looking at the 230 page thread in General, and the 70+ pages here..... Game Mechanic changing MT is probably the main issue/concern occupying the majority of your playerbase (you know....the folks paying to play this wonderful game).

So, for me at least, there is no debate. There is no discussion. There is ONLY a Yes/No question to be answered.

Will MT EVER be used to buy game mechanic/game enhancing Items via any type of Virtual Goods Store (NeX)?

Yes or No.

Your response will determine whether I decide to resub or not.

PS.
Just in case you haven't seen this yet.

Captain Mung
Posted - 2011.06.25 07:06:00 - [2156]
 

Hahahahah I read that blog expecting maybe some kind of decent response, but instead I read: "We understand you don't like it, but **** you, deal with it". And for some odd reason the morons running the show think it's STILL a good idea to keep going down this road. Eve is really going down the ****ter.

Nuramori
Amarr
Drama Llamas
Posted - 2011.06.25 07:06:00 - [2157]
 

Originally by: Vaerah Vahrokha
Have you ever wondered why this company is called Crowd Control Productions?

Because they corral people where they want. And we are not conforming to their strict rules any more.

You just don't know that yet.

You have been chosen to be Opted Out. They don't want you any longer.

The new playerbase in their plans are rich Apple Store prepubescents and the related $99 license a year Apple Store programmers.


We have been phased out


We have been chosen for exinction



Completely wrong. The Mac client is so bad it doesn't even run. CCP laughs at Mac owners and cares even less about that portion of the user base than the main population of golden geese.

Lidia Prince
Caldari
Posted - 2011.06.25 07:07:00 - [2158]
 

I'm glad that Zulu hasn't made any excuses, because there should be none from CCP, only from EVE's panicking over nothing, as always, community. You're rioting in Jita, ****storm and flood forums and ask for CCP's apologies? ****ing hypocrites. Hurry up and die, losers.

Though I'm kinda sad over prices, the fact that they're final. Ugh, bye-bye that awesome military uniform for women from one of concepts on Incarna mni-site. Maybe someday, when I'll be EVE-rich.

Karia Sur
Posted - 2011.06.25 07:07:00 - [2159]
 

R.I.P Eve

Ayari
Caldari
Caldari Independent Navy Reserve
The Fourth District
Posted - 2011.06.25 07:07:00 - [2160]
 

It's a sad truth that these days, when a company is publicly traded, the focus moves onto the investor. CCP has to show it's investors that the value of the company will increase, so the investor is assured they will see some return.

These investors don't play EVE and they don't get EVE. They can sell their shares at any time, they have no commitment to the game we play, and sadly CCP are now legally beholden to them.

I'd like to ask CCP please, don't kill the game I love, the game that has been a part of my life for five years.

However, I understand you might now be powerless to stop it. To CCP employees that are now starting to be less proud of who you work for, I know how you feel. It seems more and more companies are going this way, juicy prey for Investment Bankers.



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