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Manfred Sideous
Body Count Inc.
Pandemic Legion
Posted - 2011.06.25 00:25:00 - [1621]
 

CCP Im going to try to maintain some civility itp , however I can say that CCP tends to make me very angry with there actions over the past few years. Its ridiculous getting angry over a video game yet here I sit angry. I think the reason im angry is I care about the game I am a fan of the idea of Eve however I am no longer a fan of CCP. If another game studio would produce a sandbox style single shard pvp MMO I would leave Eve. I have been watching perpetum onlineto see how that game is doing. I also have been hanging onto the hope that CCP would wake-up and start listening to its customers. I will now try to constructively illustrate a few points.


1 ) Incarna not a optional feature Since 2006 we have been hearing about Incarna in all of its names. However we were told many times ( I can post links to back-up my claims if this point is refuted) that Incarna would be a optional feature that we could opt out of it. However we find that this is not the case now.

2 ) Incarna and how bad it is The engine is bad bad bad huge memory leaks. Bad graphics bugs quirky interface ( not using industry standards WASD really this is pantsonheadbad). Rendering is horrible when you jump clone it changes your appearance :colbert: . Why you didn't license a known and proven engine is beyond me unless as conspiracy theories suggest that Incarna is nothing more than a vanity case for microtransactions and a beta test for WOD engine.


3 ) Lost that loving feeling Frankly I miss Oveur , Nathan always seemed to understand what the players wanted more than soundwave. I know that listening to the playerbase is like listening to 100 different songs at once but I think one thing in common with all our voices is we want ITERATION not new half ****ed features that you will then abandon like bastard children and not touch for another 5 years.

EXAMPLES

Evegate - Billed as something none of us could live without in the Eve expierience

Dominion Sov - Still the same exact system introduced no iteration

POS - Been needing attention for years


The above is just a few examples of where CCP has introduced new features only to abandon them and move onto the next flashy toy. Also the blog Zulu speaks about a well launched expansion. Technically it might have been good but in reality the expansion is **** it does nothing for Eve. CCP seems consumed by technical benchmarks versus customer satisfaction benchmarks this is a fundamental flaw in CCP policy and/or group think.

4 ) The Reality Eve is a very good spaceship game. The community that makes up your subscriborship is your greatest asset a asset that the management of CCP has routinely over the past few years alienated marginalized and outright disregarded. Your marketing people tell you that data doesn't support polished features over new content they tell you that attracting new subscribers is more important than retention.


I cannot stress how incorrect they are. I know in the face of the whole ~global economy~ the thought of endless supplies of consumers is the rationalization. By that measure I understand the way CCP does things. However, Eve is a niche mmo it feels like your trying to steer Eve in the direction of trying to nibble at the WOW pie. In doing so your killing your on very good and sustainable product. I doubt that Eve will ever be the ultimate space sim but I do think it is the ultimate spaceship game.


I think your customers would agree in large margin that we want you to re-focus on making Eve the best spaceship game it can be. The ideas of grandeur of Space Sim can go on the back burner and a small % of resources can be committed to realizing that dream. Before your community stomps off in disgust I suggest that radical course correction happen. I suspect if CCP was a publicy traded corp a board of directors would be making some major changes atm. CCP you have lost touch this is my plee 2U!

M Blanc
Posted - 2011.06.25 00:26:00 - [1622]
 

Impressive blog. First you complain about your customers, then you patronise and insult them, and to top it all off, you smoothly sidestep the one question they actually want you to answer. In case you missed it, here it is again:

Quote:

Are you moving beyond VANITY AUR items?



Chrysanthemum Korik
Monocles Of Death
Posted - 2011.06.25 00:26:00 - [1623]
 

Originally by: Thundergulch
Originally by: Sciencegeek deathdealer
Originally by: Maggot Jones
Originally by: Da Gooch
Edited by: Da Gooch on 25/06/2011 00:17:37

Are you moving beyond VANITY AUR items?



CCP ZULU DO YOU SEE THE QUESTION ABOVE?

CAN YOU READ IT? GOOD, NOW LISTEN UP.. WE DONT CARE ABOUT THE PRICE OF YOUR STUPID HELLO KITTY ****

WE WANT AN ANSWER TO THE QUESTION ABOVE IN YELLOW, CAN YOU COMPREHEND MY ENGLISH??? IF NOT PLEASE REPLY AND I WILL TRY MAKE IT MORE TOWARDS A 5YEAROLDS MENTALITY.



I want all my fellow eve players to quote this and not suggest any other stupid points, this is the only thing that needs a damn answer


+1



Insane Zombie
Posted - 2011.06.25 00:26:00 - [1624]
 

Originally by: Maggot Jones
Originally by: Da Gooch
Edited by: Da Gooch on 25/06/2011 00:17:37

Are you moving beyond VANITY AUR items?



CCP ZULU DO YOU SEE THE QUESTION ABOVE?

CAN YOU READ IT? GOOD, NOW LISTEN UP.. WE DONT CARE ABOUT THE PRICE OF YOUR STUPID HELLO KITTY ****

WE WANT AN ANSWER TO THE QUESTION ABOVE IN YELLOW, CAN YOU COMPREHEND MY ENGLISH??? IF NOT PLEASE REPLY AND I WILL TRY MAKE IT MORE TOWARDS A 5YEAROLDS MENTALITY.



I want all my fellow eve players to quote this and not suggest any other stupid points, this is the only thing that needs a damn answer


+1


+1

Desya Dak'ann
Caldari
No Ducks Allowed
Posted - 2011.06.25 00:27:00 - [1625]
 

Originally by: Nadarius Chrome

Thanks CCP. your "**** you" is loud and clear. Let me respond in kind.

****. You. Too.



Please do not evade the profanity filter. Zymurgist


Confirming the above

Rumplefink
Posted - 2011.06.25 00:27:00 - [1626]
 

Rage!!!!


RABBLE RABBLE RABBLE

I did unsub tho...

VoTe wItH yOUr WALLET!

Gashblight
Posted - 2011.06.25 00:27:00 - [1627]
 

This is the worst joke ever.

Tla Atij
Posted - 2011.06.25 00:28:00 - [1628]
 

Originally by: Bloodpetal
EVE-Radio is getting opinions from CSM members former and present, as well as a Massively reporter.

They're getting the facts straight about what has gotten us to this point, and then up to where we are today.


Yep, listen here. http://live1.completegamer.net:8020/listen.pls

Bloodpetal
Mimidae Risk Solutions
Posted - 2011.06.25 00:28:00 - [1629]
 

So, a CSM Member said they told you this devblog was going to cause a bad reaction.

But you go ahead with it?

What did you expect, some magic? This has been clearly smugly responded to, and now you have the whole community getting galvanized - even the people before who were defending you are now looking at you and wondering what the hell you are trying to accomplish here.



RaptorX
Caldari
Aperture Harmonics
K162
Posted - 2011.06.25 00:29:00 - [1630]
 

Originally by: Cz Ire
Originally by: Bklyn 1
Originally by: Da Gooch
Edited by: Da Gooch on 25/06/2011 00:17:37

Are you moving beyond VANITY AUR items?



CCP ZULU DO YOU SEE THE QUESTION ABOVE?

CAN YOU READ IT? GOOD, NOW LISTEN UP.. WE DONT CARE ABOUT THE PRICE OF YOUR STUPID HELLO KITTY ****

WE WANT AN ANSWER TO THE QUESTION ABOVE IN YELLOW, CAN YOU COMPREHEND MY ENGLISH??? IF NOT PLEASE REPLY AND I WILL TRY MAKE IT MORE TOWARDS A 5YEAROLDS MENTALITY.



I want all my fellow eve players to quote this and not suggest any other stupid points, this is the only thing that needs a damn answer


You do realize, the lack of answer gives you the answer.


whatever happened to the CCP philosophy of "everything should be player created" anyways?

Spanking Monkeys
Posted - 2011.06.25 00:29:00 - [1631]
 

Originally by: Desya Dak'ann
Originally by: Nadarius Chrome

Thanks CCP. your "**** you" is loud and clear. Let me respond in kind.

****. You. Too.



Please do not evade the profanity filter. Zymurgist


Confirming the above


nothing like a **** you from a company you pay money too.

**** you too

Gurgeh Morat
Gallente
7th Interval
Posted - 2011.06.25 00:30:00 - [1632]
 

Edited by: Gurgeh Morat on 25/06/2011 00:30:35
Originally by: Bklyn 1
Originally by: Da Gooch
Edited by: Da Gooch on 25/06/2011 00:17:37

Are you moving beyond VANITY AUR items?





You do realize, the lack of answer gives you the answer.



edited quotes for colour & size

+1

Honestly I can't believe you are still asking the question. I realise it is just disbelief and unfounded hope that make you continue.

Get over the addiction -

Unsub & Stop logging into Eve and there is a tiny chance you can change this




Constantinus Maximus
Paxian Expeditionary Force
Posted - 2011.06.25 00:30:00 - [1633]
 

This is why they seem to think they can continue without customers.

Please visit your user settings to re-enable images.
http://eve-files.com/dl/244747

Maggot Jones
Posted - 2011.06.25 00:31:00 - [1634]
 

Originally by: Gurgeh Morat

Honestly I can't believe you are still asking the question. I realise it is just disbelief and unfounded hope that make you continue.

Get over the addiction -

Usub & Stop logging into Eve and there is a tiny chance you can change this






you never went to a strike in rl before, did you?

Jak Krankle
Caldari Provisions
Posted - 2011.06.25 00:31:00 - [1635]
 

Wow, Zulu has ****ed off the entire community twice in as many weeks. Perhaps he should be replaced with someone more competent.

Anyways, other than that I have nothing to say other than a CCP really needs to bring a titan to Jita and fire a shot off. That would be an epic, and actually benificial task. And, it's something they coulnd't actually fail.

Also, if your quitting, send me your ISK. plzkthnx

Troy LS
Posted - 2011.06.25 00:31:00 - [1636]
 

I think CCP Zulu took a chapter out of TEARS playbook.

Ludi Burek
The Player Haters Corp
Posted - 2011.06.25 00:32:00 - [1637]
 

Edited by: Ludi Burek on 25/06/2011 00:32:30
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CCP_Games


Scroll down and click on the "owners". Take the half a minute read up on them.

Accept that CCP and EVE is not about the game any longer and who's really calling the shots. Some shady Russians and only interested in dollar signs "entrepreneurs" lol.

Bye.

Demon Azrakel
Gallente
Defiant..
Narwhals Ate My Duck
Posted - 2011.06.25 00:32:00 - [1638]
 

Originally by: Thundergulch
Originally by: Sciencegeek deathdealer
Originally by: Maggot Jones
Originally by: Da Gooch
Edited by: Da Gooch on 25/06/2011 00:17:37

Are you moving beyond VANITY AUR items?



CCP ZULU DO YOU SEE THE QUESTION ABOVE?

CAN YOU READ IT? GOOD, NOW LISTEN UP.. WE DONT CARE ABOUT THE PRICE OF YOUR STUPID HELLO KITTY ****

WE WANT AN ANSWER TO THE QUESTION ABOVE IN YELLOW, CAN YOU COMPREHEND MY ENGLISH??? IF NOT PLEASE REPLY AND I WILL TRY MAKE IT MORE TOWARDS A 5YEAROLDS MENTALITY.



I want all my fellow eve players to quote this and not suggest any other stupid points, this is the only thing that needs a damn answer


+1




seriously

Igualmentedos
Caldari
Posted - 2011.06.25 00:32:00 - [1639]
 

Originally by: Thundergulch
Originally by: Sciencegeek deathdealer
Originally by: Maggot Jones
Originally by: Da Gooch
Edited by: Da Gooch on 25/06/2011 00:17:37

Are you moving beyond VANITY AUR items?



CCP ZULU DO YOU SEE THE QUESTION ABOVE?

CAN YOU READ IT? GOOD, NOW LISTEN UP.. WE DONT CARE ABOUT THE PRICE OF YOUR STUPID HELLO KITTY ****

WE WANT AN ANSWER TO THE QUESTION ABOVE IN YELLOW, CAN YOU COMPREHEND MY ENGLISH??? IF NOT PLEASE REPLY AND I WILL TRY MAKE IT MORE TOWARDS A 5YEAROLDS MENTALITY.



I want all my fellow eve players to quote this and not suggest any other stupid points, this is the only thing that needs a damn answer


+1




CCP, I was a diehard fan, and you're starting to take massive ****s on me. WTF is your problem?

Mynt Sierra
Caldari
Universalis Imperium
Tactical Narcotics Team
Posted - 2011.06.25 00:33:00 - [1640]
 

Originally by: Raster Fain
Originally by: Maggot Jones
Originally by: Da Gooch
Edited by: Da Gooch on 25/06/2011 00:17:37

Are you moving beyond VANITY AUR items?



CCP ZULU DO YOU SEE THE QUESTION ABOVE?

CAN YOU READ IT? GOOD, NOW LISTEN UP.. WE DONT CARE ABOUT THE PRICE OF YOUR STUPID HELLO KITTY ****

WE WANT AN ANSWER TO THE QUESTION ABOVE IN YELLOW, CAN YOU COMPREHEND MY ENGLISH??? IF NOT PLEASE REPLY AND I WILL TRY MAKE IT MORE TOWARDS A 5YEAROLDS MENTALITY.



I want all my fellow eve players to quote this and not suggest any other stupid points, this is the only thing that needs a damn answer


+1


+1


And Zulu should kill himself for being terrible.

Alexis Sachs
Posted - 2011.06.25 00:33:00 - [1641]
 

EVE Radio quality interview/panel thus far.

Cobalt Sablestar Icefluxor
Caldari
Bison Industrial Inc
Posted - 2011.06.25 00:33:00 - [1642]
 


This is absolutely the most INADEQUATE response I have ever experienced to a business failure of this magnitude.

The Performance Issues with CQ Loading ARE NOT EVEN MENTIONED.

CCP, you are embarrassing yourselves even more.

I'm really sad at this awful turn at finding out how CCP Exec's truly do not care one whit for the folks who built thier game's spirit for 8 long years.

CCP, I don't think you are ever going to recover from this. The evtire gaming World is laughing at this absolutely ignorant ,smug, vicious behavior.


Drifnir
Mnemonic Enterprises
Posted - 2011.06.25 00:33:00 - [1643]
 

Originally by: Desya Dak'ann
Originally by: Nadarius Chrome

Thanks CCP. your "**** you" is loud and clear. Let me respond in kind.

****. You. Too.



Please do not evade the profanity filter. Zymurgist


Confirming the above


This. So Much This.

Aiyeeta Beaver
Gallente
Celestial Horizon Corp.
Fallen Angels Alliance
Posted - 2011.06.25 00:33:00 - [1644]
 

Over the years, I always believed CCP employees played their product. I had this confirmed for me when I saw the whole Devs helping BoB ****storm almost 5 years ago. After reading all this, I feel like less and less employees actually play EVE or else someone would step up and slap their fellow co-workers for even remotely suggesting RMT for advantages. You'll notice I didn't say MT, I said RMT because they're anything but micro.

You call your newsletter FEARLESS, but from what I've seen, it needs to be renamed to BRAINLESS. There's a difference between not fearing something and just going about it all wrong... Just look at some of the nubs I've dealt with lately, they don't FEAR the enemy so they fly expensive ships unescorted through dangerous jumps blind and get ganked. See what I'm getting at here? Fear and Idiocy? They are not mutually exclusive, in fact they often dwell in each other's company, but I believe you (CCP) have misinterpreted the difference between the two.

I do grant you this: Incarna? I didn't set long skill training, I logged in, things worked. Castor->Shiva? Remember that? Long skill training was required, you've made some great strides since then as far as deployment goes. It was charming, though, some people forgot to set skill training and frustration ensued. This is actually, afaik, the first time I've logged into a new patch and the game itself seemed to work. My hardware on the other hand? Look, I already walk outside to over 100 F (38 C) weather, I don't need my graphics card equalizing that indoors as well. Over the years, one of the coolest things about EVE was it could always run on an outdated or budget PC. Why are you guys trying to ruin that? Disembark actually seems like it would be a pretty cool feature, eh?

And lastly, how hard is it to just bite the bullet on this one? Why can't any CCP employee just come out and say "I don't want someone to just RMT a fleet up after I spent hours trying to build one!"? Do you not see what the charm of your game is? It's the hard work! It's the satisfying accomplishments! How satisfying is it to swipe a credit card and get an advantage? NOT VERY. How satisfying is it to spend countless hours in your mining barge (Back in my day, it was cruisers dammit) to get enough minerals to painstakingly build your battleship with blood, sweat, and tears only to lose it hours later in an adrenaline high? PRETTY GOD DAMNED SATISFYING. Over the years I've watched you ruin this feeling more and more with your oh so precious PLEX. What's the point of hunting down ISK traders if you're just going to facilitate it yourselves? I've been with you for a long haul, and I can truly say this: I find your game less charming by the day. If it were not for the friendships I've made, I do not think I would've re-subbed after the BoB fiasco.

Most of my friends stopped playing though, so let me ask you this: Why should I re-sub now? Can your next response answer that question with no spin and no dodging? Can you guys pull your collective heads out of your asses, turn to each other and say "What happened to us?", and realize that greed is - in this case - not good and just tell us what we want to know? You're game is supposed to be a hobby, not a waste of time and energy.

Your move, money grubbers.

Katra Novac
Posted - 2011.06.25 00:34:00 - [1645]
 

Originally by: Da Gooch
Edited by: Da Gooch on 25/06/2011 00:17:37

Are you moving beyond VANITY AUR items?



CCP ZULU DO YOU SEE THE QUESTION ABOVE?

CAN YOU READ IT? GOOD, NOW LISTEN UP.. WE DONT CARE ABOUT THE PRICE OF YOUR STUPID HELLO KITTY ****

WE WANT AN ANSWER TO THE QUESTION ABOVE IN YELLOW, CAN YOU COMPREHEND MY ENGLISH??? IF NOT PLEASE REPLY AND I WILL TRY MAKE IT MORE TOWARDS A 5YEAROLDS MENTALITY.



I want all my fellow eve players to quote this and not suggest any other stupid points, this is the only thing that needs a damn answer





They know of the question, CCP Manifest went through most of the post in the megathread in general he would have seen it in yellow about 30+ times.

They're choosing not to answer and by posting this thread when they did they're still choosing not to answer the question directly. Indirectly they've already given the answer, which is yes!

Sinker1345
ANZAC ALLIANCE
RAZOR Alliance
Posted - 2011.06.25 00:34:00 - [1646]
 

Originally by: Cz Ire
Originally by: Bklyn 1
Originally by: Da Gooch
Edited by: Da Gooch on 25/06/2011 00:17:37

Are you moving beyond VANITY AUR items?



CCP ZULU DO YOU SEE THE QUESTION ABOVE?

CAN YOU READ IT? GOOD, NOW LISTEN UP.. WE DONT CARE ABOUT THE PRICE OF YOUR STUPID HELLO KITTY ****

WE WANT AN ANSWER TO THE QUESTION ABOVE IN YELLOW, CAN YOU COMPREHEND MY ENGLISH??? IF NOT PLEASE REPLY AND I WILL TRY MAKE IT MORE TOWARDS A 5YEAROLDS MENTALITY.



I want all my fellow eve players to quote this and not suggest any other stupid points, this is the only thing that needs a damn answer


You do realize, the lack of answer gives you the answer.


whatever happened to the CCP philosophy of "everything should be player created" anyways?

Nadarius Chrome
Celestial Horizon Corp.
Posted - 2011.06.25 00:34:00 - [1647]
 

"Delete post" buttons running hot I see.

The sentiment stands.

you're not getting a cent from me. I'll actively ensure you won't see another sub from any new victims either.

Garreth Vlox
Minmatar
Obsidian Inc.
Posted - 2011.06.25 00:35:00 - [1648]
 

Originally by: Maisonian
Edited by: Maisonian on 24/06/2011 23:39:22
All aboard the bat5hit crazy train!

Next stop, CCP HQ

Confirming that people do indeed have enough RL money to choose a 1000 pair of jeans instead of BUYING A FRICKING CAR or somthing...

You've lost all touch with reality. Sort it out.

Originally by: Tamahra
Originally by: Maisonian
Originally by: Grimpak
players: CCP can you please answer our questions.
CCP: well yes, Incarna is awesome and it was deployed relatively smoothly!
players: eh?
CCP: also, the NeX prices reflect elite status!
players: wait what the **** are you ta-
CCP: INCARNA IS AWESOME! NO MORE TALKING!
players: dude wha-*banhammer*
CCP: INCARNAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA


this is how it feels, really.


You sir, have +1 internets for redecorating my monitor with tea.


because you laughed so hard or you cried so hard? Because if you read it thorougly, it pretty much resembles whats really going on right now


Laughing at the sheer brilliance with which this has been summarised. And then crying.



hey CCP where the **** is that rep button you promised us this time LAST year?

the lulz have reached epic proportions unfortunately so has the level of arrogance and stupidity on CCP's part

Maggot Jones
Posted - 2011.06.25 00:35:00 - [1649]
 

Originally by: Katra Novac

They know of the question, CCP Manifest went through most of the post in the megathread in general he would have seen it in yellow about 30+ times.

They're choosing not to answer and by posting this thread when they did they're still choosing not to answer the question directly. Indirectly they've already given the answer, which is yes!


If they refused to reply, then we all need to ask in a louder tone.

Avon
Caldari
Versatech Co.
Raiden.
Posted - 2011.06.25 00:35:00 - [1650]
 

Edited by: Avon on 25/06/2011 00:42:50
You would think that with all the practice they have had, CCP would have got good at damage control by now.

Clearly they have not.

They are still completely missing the point.

Eve has, somehow, survived on promises of a better future - CCP sell their vision of Eve and we suck it up. Now, when the shroud is lifted, and the vision they sold us is revealed as the charade that it is, they expect us to trust them?

I remember, a very long time ago, praising Devs who promised that they would not sell out their vision for Eve. That they would rather it remained the best PvP niche game on the market, rather than a bloated (but more profitable) second-rate mainstream game.
Over the years I have seen CCP sell out that vision for the promise of $$. I understand they are a business, but this cash grab hasn't been for the benefit of Eve, it has been a slush fund for new projects.

I'm all for CCP developing new products, good luck to them, but not at the expense of Eve.

I'm not all that bothered by micro(lol)transactions, lots of games I play have them. So long as you are paying for looks or convenience rather than advantage I have no real objection. Anything that is an ISK sink now is pretty much a legitimate target for MTs (cloning fees, blueprints, ship insurance). However, I feel CCP are missing a trick with their approach to vanity items. By all means sell them at outrageous prices, but offer (for far less Aurum) 1 run blueprints for items which require player produced "ingredients" to make. Use MTs to help stimulate the economy rather than bypass it.

The concerns I currently have are really twofold.
The primary concern is that MTs will be used to pay for an advantage which is not available through normal game mechanics. This must not happen.

My second concern is that CCP have spent a lot of time on a patch which is little more than a way to introduce microtransactions. Zulu tells us how cool people may think we are because of our fancy rags ... but who is going to see them in a single player 1 room enviroment?
Seriously, who thought that expensive vanity items were a good idea when, realistically, only the player is going to see them?

There are many things that need improving in Eve. Many things that have been promised and either never materialised or have gone unfinished. These should be the priority - not an incarna tech demo designed to generate revenue to fund new products.

Maybe CCP have become so focused on the future they have forgotten that all they actually have is what they have now - and that if they don't treat it with the love and respect it deserves they won't have that either.

What I, and I assume many other players, want is Internet Spaceships.
I want what Eve to be the game as described on the back of the box, not the cash cow for games I don't want to play.


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