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Kazanir Talih
Eighty Joule Brewery
Goonswarm Federation
Posted - 2011.06.25 00:17:00 - [1591]
 

If CCP would come out and do the following things, this controversy could be resolved.

1. Explain that the leaked "Greed is Good" document was an internal newsletter designed to spark all sides of a debate, and doesn't reflect finished CCP policy. Connect this to point #3, below.

2. Explain that many more items are designed for to the Noble Exchange store, and then release them right away. If the Monocle had simply been the very-high-end "super vanity" item of a wide range of accessories, there would not be such a furor over it.

3. Unequivocally state -- as other dev blogs have in the past -- that CCP is only interested in doing microtransaction with EVE in ways that affect flavor, and that they WILL NOT be selling items that improve gameplay or affect the sandbox. A commitment to "NO GOLD AMMO" in EVE would quell 80% of the playerbase's current rioting.

Speaking as someone who currently operates 12 EVE accounts, run a corp with 120 characters and many more associated alts, and is part of the largest alliance in the game, I can say that I and many people I know would not be interested in an EVE with "gold ammo" or any microtransactions that affect the sandbox of our gameplay.

#3 is BY FAR the most important thing CCP can do here.

Magret Firewind
Caldari
Krupp-Stahl
Initiative Mercenaries
Posted - 2011.06.25 00:18:00 - [1592]
 

Originally by: Demon Azrakel
I may be wrong, but I think I just read CCP Zulu telling the playerbase to go **** itself...


yip, that's kind of what I think as well...

Unbelievable arrogance...

Bloodpetal
Mimidae Risk Solutions
Posted - 2011.06.25 00:18:00 - [1593]
 


Razin
The xDEATHx Squadron
Legion of xXDEATHXx
Posted - 2011.06.25 00:19:00 - [1594]
 

I can't believe what I just read...

Don't you think you should have discussed the more important and pressing issues first? Or at least presented a definite plan outlining exactly what those issues are and when you plan to address them? What's the matter, your lawyers are on vacation? Afraid of your customers? What?

Regarding your explanation of the 'greed' debate in your newsletter: I just don't believe you. I mean, maybe if you hadn't moved the ship fittings to the server and hadn't limited them to a ridiculously small number (that's just one example), I may still have some doubts. As things stand, however, I have none at all.

About your virtual goods prices: I really couldn't care less. If you insist on making a fool of yourself in front of the whole gaming world, who am I to stop you.

I really expected better of you.

Maggot Jones
Posted - 2011.06.25 00:20:00 - [1595]
 

Originally by: Da Gooch
Edited by: Da Gooch on 25/06/2011 00:17:37

Are you moving beyond VANITY AUR items?



CCP ZULU DO YOU SEE THE QUESTION ABOVE?

CAN YOU READ IT? GOOD, NOW LISTEN UP.. WE DONT CARE ABOUT THE PRICE OF YOUR STUPID HELLO KITTY ****

WE WANT AN ANSWER TO THE QUESTION ABOVE IN YELLOW, CAN YOU COMPREHEND MY ENGLISH??? IF NOT PLEASE REPLY AND I WILL TRY MAKE IT MORE TOWARDS A 5YEAROLDS MENTALITY.



I want all my fellow eve players to quote this and not suggest any other stupid points, this is the only thing that needs a damn answer


+1

Troy LS
Posted - 2011.06.25 00:20:00 - [1596]
 

Originally by: Morgan Polaris
Oh dear.

Missing the point like that, you've actually made it worse. I can find the door out myself though.


At least that door is functional

Talin
Posted - 2011.06.25 00:20:00 - [1597]
 

I didn't think Id be doing this, but I'm going to wish you a fairwell now CCP. I'm sure this one lonely peon wont mater in your larger scheme, and I reserve the right to return if I feel you have reversed Course, but well, only time will tell.

Good luck Zulu, Soundwave and all the other Dev's I'm truly sorry for what was brought on you guys by the community even though you did not deserve it. I hope your faith in the company you work for remains strong and worth while of your time.

It was a wonderful thing you guys made CCP, I just wish you had realized just how wonderful it was before you decided to go down this path.

I really did have faith in you guys. This is kinda like realizing Santa doesn't exist all over again.

Gurgeh Morat
Gallente
7th Interval
Posted - 2011.06.25 00:20:00 - [1598]
 

Originally by: Akira Zendragon

A lot of the rage, I believe is because of another type of perception: It seems like you and other CCP representatives are so disconnected from the playerbase and the game that you simply have not yet understood the nature of our concerns or the sheer size and gravity of this situation. Again, this might be incorrect and unjust, but again, that is the image you transmit and the perception we have.



Unfortunately I suspect they understand precisely what our concerns are, but they have assessed the situation and believe that the most profitable situation for them is to say FU to the loyal player base they have previously relied on.

They have made contingency plans to account for an expected loss in subs and are not going to change their long term strategy which was clearly outlined in Fearless.

It's obvious though that CCP still has staff who don't believe this NGE is morally right and that it betrays the philosophy of the game that we all bought into.

I sincerely hope those at CCP that believe this is wrong can somehow overturn the idiocy permeating from the top.

Because I am convinced that the money men have got it wrong. I don't believe Eve will gain subscribers if they go down this route.

You can try to make a difference now though, before it is too late. Unsubscribe and do not login. Those are the metrics that count.


Sciencegeek deathdealer
Posted - 2011.06.25 00:21:00 - [1599]
 

Originally by: Maggot Jones
Originally by: Da Gooch
Edited by: Da Gooch on 25/06/2011 00:17:37

Are you moving beyond VANITY AUR items?



CCP ZULU DO YOU SEE THE QUESTION ABOVE?

CAN YOU READ IT? GOOD, NOW LISTEN UP.. WE DONT CARE ABOUT THE PRICE OF YOUR STUPID HELLO KITTY ****

WE WANT AN ANSWER TO THE QUESTION ABOVE IN YELLOW, CAN YOU COMPREHEND MY ENGLISH??? IF NOT PLEASE REPLY AND I WILL TRY MAKE IT MORE TOWARDS A 5YEAROLDS MENTALITY.



I want all my fellow eve players to quote this and not suggest any other stupid points, this is the only thing that needs a damn answer


+1

Freya Chang
Caldari
Posted - 2011.06.25 00:21:00 - [1600]
 

CCP, since you seem unwilling to address subscribers' concerns about MT, by providing a straight answer, I will add my voice to the protests. I've played this game since 2008 and, until now, have had a blast! But I won't support EVE, or Dust, after CCP decide that it's ok for people with more money than sense to "pay their way" ahead in the game, especially when all of us have paid our dues to get where we are today. Granted, CCP want to increase the game's appeal and to attract new subscribers, but dumbing-down the game and treating your existing player-base with contempt is the wrong way to go about doing it.

Please, please keep the bean-counters, marketing-spivs and corporate douchebags as far away from the game's design as possible. They'll ruin the game, the community and the company in no time at all (they always do). Please spend more time fixing what is broken and making what isn't better.

Once again: the slightest whiff of MT leading beyond vanity, into the realm of paid-for advantage and I'm off, too. Good luck navigating a course between the devil and the deep blue sea -- I think you're going to need it.

Best,
FC.



Thibs Wraken
Posted - 2011.06.25 00:21:00 - [1601]
 

+1 I'll give CCP the benefit of the doubt. If it all goes south, its just a game I can exit at will...there will be others.

Raster Fain
Posted - 2011.06.25 00:21:00 - [1602]
 

Originally by: Maggot Jones
Originally by: Da Gooch
Edited by: Da Gooch on 25/06/2011 00:17:37

Are you moving beyond VANITY AUR items?



CCP ZULU DO YOU SEE THE QUESTION ABOVE?

CAN YOU READ IT? GOOD, NOW LISTEN UP.. WE DONT CARE ABOUT THE PRICE OF YOUR STUPID HELLO KITTY ****

WE WANT AN ANSWER TO THE QUESTION ABOVE IN YELLOW, CAN YOU COMPREHEND MY ENGLISH??? IF NOT PLEASE REPLY AND I WILL TRY MAKE IT MORE TOWARDS A 5YEAROLDS MENTALITY.



I want all my fellow eve players to quote this and not suggest any other stupid points, this is the only thing that needs a damn answer


+1


+1

Bomberlocks
Minmatar
CTRL-Q
Posted - 2011.06.25 00:22:00 - [1603]
 

Originally by: NosubstanceHere
Edited by: NosubstanceHere on 24/06/2011 23:53:47
Posting this one last time to insure more people see this: http://www.glassdoor.com/Reviews/CCP-Games-Reviews-E159347.htm

Anyways I'm done, I'm tired of this ****.
That review is just Shocked. They are in a very, very bad place, and what is worse, they won't opt for simple changes to make things better but just barge on ahead.

I feel sorry for the grunts in that company.

YZertim
M. Corp
M. PIRE
Posted - 2011.06.25 00:22:00 - [1604]
 

The blog response to everyone's concerns was worthless. They completely avoided the central issue. It is typical of them to either poo-poo people's concerns or set up a straw-man.

Same question as before, are MTs going to be for anything but vanity items?

CCP is having a banner quarter, are they trying to set a record of people they are ****ing off?

Bklyn 1
Posted - 2011.06.25 00:22:00 - [1605]
 

Originally by: Da Gooch
Edited by: Da Gooch on 25/06/2011 00:17:37

Are you moving beyond VANITY AUR items?



CCP ZULU DO YOU SEE THE QUESTION ABOVE?

CAN YOU READ IT? GOOD, NOW LISTEN UP.. WE DONT CARE ABOUT THE PRICE OF YOUR STUPID HELLO KITTY ****

WE WANT AN ANSWER TO THE QUESTION ABOVE IN YELLOW, CAN YOU COMPREHEND MY ENGLISH??? IF NOT PLEASE REPLY AND I WILL TRY MAKE IT MORE TOWARDS A 5YEAROLDS MENTALITY.



I want all my fellow eve players to quote this and not suggest any other stupid points, this is the only thing that needs a damn answer


You do realize, the lack of answer gives you the answer.

Thundergulch
Amarr
Royal Amarr Institute
Posted - 2011.06.25 00:22:00 - [1606]
 

Originally by: Sciencegeek deathdealer
Originally by: Maggot Jones
Originally by: Da Gooch
Edited by: Da Gooch on 25/06/2011 00:17:37

Are you moving beyond VANITY AUR items?



CCP ZULU DO YOU SEE THE QUESTION ABOVE?

CAN YOU READ IT? GOOD, NOW LISTEN UP.. WE DONT CARE ABOUT THE PRICE OF YOUR STUPID HELLO KITTY ****

WE WANT AN ANSWER TO THE QUESTION ABOVE IN YELLOW, CAN YOU COMPREHEND MY ENGLISH??? IF NOT PLEASE REPLY AND I WILL TRY MAKE IT MORE TOWARDS A 5YEAROLDS MENTALITY.



I want all my fellow eve players to quote this and not suggest any other stupid points, this is the only thing that needs a damn answer


+1


Ranka Mei
Caldari
Posted - 2011.06.25 00:22:00 - [1607]
 

The moment the Geese laid eyes on the store,
They knew what their life was meant for:
They were to be plucked,
And thereupon clucked
"We will lay you your golden eggs no more!"

Chrysanthemum Korik
Monocles Of Death
Posted - 2011.06.25 00:23:00 - [1608]
 

1. I notice you didn't commit to not offering non-vanity items for sale in the future. Call me cynical but I'm going to just go ahead and assume that since you didn't, you're going to.

2. Regarding vanity items perhaps I'm not as smart as you but the comparison to real life 1000 dollar jeans? Right over my head. Unless you're saying that if I'm the type not willing to pay a 1000 dollars for jeans then your vision of EvE is not for me? You may be right. Just a note though: If the 'vanity' items cost almost as much, as much or more than the cost of the sub fee or the box, they are no longer 'micro'-transactions and you're clearly gouging your customers. Given the relatively special relationship CCP has with its customer base, I find this to be baffling and can only surmise your confidence in your future business model, with avatars, full stations and Dust is such that you feel you can dismiss your current playerbase and still be successful. I won't say you're wrong, but history is not on your side.

3. Given the incredibly limited scope of Incarna's new features, and their zero impact on game-play, specifically they are effectively a pointless standalone feature, and that you needlessly removed features people liked and used and made sense to keep, you have deliberately removed being docked and still in your ship in order to force being an avatar and all the RMT that it implies, down your players' throats so as a way to get people into the idea of playing in an RMT centric game. I find that perhaps most distressing. That you are forcing players who'd have no interest in avatars and no need it to accept the new paradigm even though there is absolutely no need for it except to prepare them for their future as potential customers of the NeX.


To sum up: I didn't find your response adequate.

Vectis Guderian
Posted - 2011.06.25 00:23:00 - [1609]
 

Originally by: Maggot Jones
Originally by: Da Gooch
Edited by: Da Gooch on 25/06/2011 00:17:37

Are you moving beyond VANITY AUR items?



CCP ZULU DO YOU SEE THE QUESTION ABOVE?

CAN YOU READ IT? GOOD, NOW LISTEN UP.. WE DONT CARE ABOUT THE PRICE OF YOUR STUPID HELLO KITTY ****

WE WANT AN ANSWER TO THE QUESTION ABOVE IN YELLOW, CAN YOU COMPREHEND MY ENGLISH??? IF NOT PLEASE REPLY AND I WILL TRY MAKE IT MORE TOWARDS A 5YEAROLDS MENTALITY.



I want all my fellow eve players to quote this and not suggest any other stupid points, this is the only thing that needs a damn answer


+1

+1

Nuit Aerin
Posted - 2011.06.25 00:23:00 - [1610]
 

I`m one of those who were laughing at the "protesters". Now with this blog, I must admit I was wrong. Something is not right, and right now my trust in the direction CCP is taking with Eve has been shaken.

The refusal to simply promise once more that there won`t be more than cosmetic items on sale is disturbing. I don`t need to make points that have already been made a thousand times, but I wanted to add my voice: I am not cancelling my account, but I might. I do not quit the game, but I might take a break and see where this is going before I buy more gametime.

Incarna looked promising though, too bad MTs had to ruin all that.

Demon Azrakel
Gallente
Defiant..
Narwhals Ate My Duck
Posted - 2011.06.25 00:23:00 - [1611]
 

Originally by: Bklyn 1
Originally by: Da Gooch
Edited by: Da Gooch on 25/06/2011 00:17:37

Are you moving beyond VANITY AUR items?



CCP ZULU DO YOU SEE THE QUESTION ABOVE?

CAN YOU READ IT? GOOD, NOW LISTEN UP.. WE DONT CARE ABOUT THE PRICE OF YOUR STUPID HELLO KITTY ****

WE WANT AN ANSWER TO THE QUESTION ABOVE IN YELLOW, CAN YOU COMPREHEND MY ENGLISH??? IF NOT PLEASE REPLY AND I WILL TRY MAKE IT MORE TOWARDS A 5YEAROLDS MENTALITY.



I want all my fellow eve players to quote this and not suggest any other stupid points, this is the only thing that needs a damn answer


You do realize, the lack of answer gives you the answer.

Preem Palvor
ExploRiggery Inc.
Posted - 2011.06.25 00:24:00 - [1612]
 



WE DONT CARE ABOUT YOUR HELLO KITTY ONLINE




WE DONT CARE ABOUT YOUR FANCY GRAPHIC TURRETS





FIX THE THINGS THAT ARE BROKEN: OP PROBING, BLOBS, POS GRINDING, SOV, SNIPING




Kerfira
Kerfira Corp
Posted - 2011.06.25 00:24:00 - [1613]
 

Edited by: Kerfira on 25/06/2011 00:25:27
CCP Zulu

Since you deliberately ignored the #1 concern that the player base have, that you're moving towards selling in-game advantages for money, I'll assume that you ARE moving towards it.

If you are, SAY SO!
If you're not, SAY SO!

I don't think many players (apart from a few habitual whiners) give a rats ass about the price of monocles, or whether CQ is optional or not, but in-game advantages is a completely different matter. Yet you chose not to address it at all...

I'm drawing my own conclusions from that, and I guess most of the other players are too...

Tzing Tzi
Posted - 2011.06.25 00:24:00 - [1614]
 

Edited by: Tzing Tzi on 25/06/2011 00:29:33
Edited by: Tzing Tzi on 25/06/2011 00:25:07
$1000 Japanese jeans might get me laid IRL - a $60 monocle in a video game probably isn't.

To be fair Valve have been selling some expensive hats in TF2 if I'm not mistaken... however the really expensive ones the proceeds went to charity - Japanese Tsunami relief if I'm not mistaken.

So here's a thing - any AUR made from the monocle thing or the NeX shop - CCP double up on that and donate to said Japanese Tsunami fund (in dollars) (Japan will take ages to recover from this) - and I doubt too many Japanese are worrying about $1000 US jeans these days.

Fon Revedhort
Monks of War
DarkSide.
Posted - 2011.06.25 00:24:00 - [1615]
 

A poor blog in a defense for a poor expansion. Somehow I'm not surprised.

kapie nogg
Posted - 2011.06.25 00:24:00 - [1616]
 

WOW! how the mighty have fallen, what the hell where you guys thinking, where you all stoned or what!Very HappyVery HappyVery HappyVery Happy

Bloodpetal
Mimidae Risk Solutions
Posted - 2011.06.25 00:25:00 - [1617]
 

EVE-Radio is getting opinions from CSM members former and present, as well as a Massively reporter.

They're getting the facts straight about what has gotten us to this point, and then up to where we are today.

Valeroth Kyarmentari
Posted - 2011.06.25 00:25:00 - [1618]
 

He's right I'm sure that some people don't deserve the ****storm the got. Especially if they were just doing there job.

But that's all you said with any substance really.

So... Wow.

Wow. The small part of me that had hope that things were going to turn around, the small part that thought EVE was special and you guys were different has been crushed.

Nadarius Chrome
Celestial Horizon Corp.
Posted - 2011.06.25 00:25:00 - [1619]
 

Thanks CCP. your "**** you" is loud and clear. Let me respond in kind.

****. You. Too.



Please do not evade the profanity filter. Zymurgist

Cz Ire
Minmatar
The Partisan Brigade
Republic Alliance
Posted - 2011.06.25 00:25:00 - [1620]
 

Originally by: Bklyn 1
Originally by: Da Gooch
Edited by: Da Gooch on 25/06/2011 00:17:37

Are you moving beyond VANITY AUR items?



CCP ZULU DO YOU SEE THE QUESTION ABOVE?

CAN YOU READ IT? GOOD, NOW LISTEN UP.. WE DONT CARE ABOUT THE PRICE OF YOUR STUPID HELLO KITTY ****

WE WANT AN ANSWER TO THE QUESTION ABOVE IN YELLOW, CAN YOU COMPREHEND MY ENGLISH??? IF NOT PLEASE REPLY AND I WILL TRY MAKE IT MORE TOWARDS A 5YEAROLDS MENTALITY.



I want all my fellow eve players to quote this and not suggest any other stupid points, this is the only thing that needs a damn answer


You do realize, the lack of answer gives you the answer.


whatever happened to the CCP philosophy of "everything should be player created" anyways?


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