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Boris Borison
Caldari
Evolution Rising
Posted - 2011.06.24 23:30:00 - [1441]
 

Originally by: CCP Zulu
one of our more smooth and successful expansions


Can I have whatever you've been smoking? (no really, I think my dealer has gone and got himself locked up, again)

Originally by: CCP Zulu
The employees who submitted articles to that newsletter did exactly what they were asked to do, write about theories and opinions from an exaggerated stand.


I'm willing to buy this, but as the CSM had previously been promised microtransactions for vanity items only, it shouldn't even have been a topic for internal discussion. I think whoever asked/told? CCP Soundwave to write his piece should step up and apologise to us and to him.

Pricing structure:
I don't think I could care less, reduce them by a factor of 10 and I'll still buy the same quantity that I will at the current prices. in fact why not double the prices?

Incarna:
I quite like the CQ, but for the love of God why do we have to load it every time we dock?

Dock -> pod leaves ship -> exit pod -> get dressed -> 5 second chat with an agent -> get undressed -> enter pod -> enter ship -> undock.

I guess that ^^ event sequence justifies the loading times. ffsRolling Eyes


TheButcherPete
StoneWall Metals Productions
Posted - 2011.06.24 23:30:00 - [1442]
 

Guys,
Stop asking if CCP will be offering NON-Vanity Items for Aurum, their lack of an answer gives you yours.
The answer is yes.

We've had PLEX for years (I can't find the exact date)
PLEX's used for extra isk are essentially microtransactions

4 PLEX at today's prices = a Machariel (or comparable faction battleships) and a moderately expensive fitting.

I consider the buying of PLEX for anything other than subscription to be cheating.

Zulu,
I love CCP, well, I did. I'm not going to threaten to stop playing my accounts, because CCP hasn't recieved any money from me since last August or September. I have 4 accounts of which I all actively play. That's 60 USD a month that you're not getting.

It seems everyone's favorite dev at the moment is CCP Big Dumb Object
Numerous players apparently, want you (CCP Zulu) to die in a fire. I honestly don't care, though your death wouldn't change much about EVE Online. They're just upset about how CCP has been behaving for the past few years, I doubt they honestly want you to burn to death.

It's not too late for CCP to turn itself around and become the outstanding company that I started EVE with. Listen to your players, take polls often, don't pay enormous heed to forum posts, heh, that's ironic, listen to the polls. Right now some players feel that EVE Online has a future that they don't want or will not play in. You should ask yourself why they say this, then fix the issue. At the moment they players are fearful of the endless possibilities of Microtransactions.

Save yourself while there's something left to save, CCP. Beneath the endless rage, your players respect you. However, if you push them too hard, well, EVE Online won't be the only internet spaceships game in the world, they'll give that company their money and not yours.

-Pete
<3
btw, I'd buy the ability to autosalvage on a Noctis for $15, even.

Righteous Deeds
Posted - 2011.06.24 23:30:00 - [1443]
 

I'm absolutely floored. You could have brainstormed "what would be our worst possible response" and this is exactly what you should have come up with.

Guys, you need some new leadership. You cannot let your egos stick to a bad business decision unless you want to kill the company for real.


You have got to have some people in the company that thought this was all a bad idea. Swallow your prides and ask them what to do now.

Cyno Biggi
Posted - 2011.06.24 23:31:00 - [1444]
 

Originally by: Tla Atij
Originally by: Grimpak
players: CCP can you please answer our questions.
CCP: well yes, Incarna is awesome and it was deployed relatively smoothly!
players: eh?
CCP: also, the NeX prices reflect elite status!
players: wait what the **** are you ta-
CCP: INCARNA IS AWESOME! NO MORE TALKING!
players: dude wha-*banhammer*
CCP: INCARNAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA





this is how it feels, really.

This.


This.

Vim
Spiritus Draconis
Posted - 2011.06.24 23:31:00 - [1445]
 

Edited by: Vim on 24/06/2011 23:37:02
I will not judge people debating extreme standpoints internaly.
Why are they debating them in eve terms? Because they know EvE. They know what would be bad for her.
They do however need to weather all sorts of opinions and standpoints, extreme and highly radical. They are CCP, that is not just EvE, they also include White Wolf, and a Ton of people all over the world; They can't just fly everyone to a lecture hall in London and have this type of debate, they need to make it tremendously clear in text; making extreme views showing even extremer.
They need to debate for the coming: DUST and WoD. They need to understand MT for thoose two games. They need to comeup with what would be bad and what would be good for thoose games, and they debate it using EVE as their arena, because they are familiar with her; they are not familiar with the two coming projects.

No CCP will never sell NOBLE items that give you +10% armor or faction standings in EVE, In WoD they very well might.

It would be grand if they simply had said "No" in a more direct manner.

If they would indeed start selling non-vanity items for EvE...
I would be one of the first to leave if they started selling faction standings, paintjobs with 10% armor, ultra high grade closerangeammo +30% damage or the like.

But until they actually start selling the above, I will not judge their toughts meant for themselves. I will judge actions.
Currently the pitchforks are about because of toughts. I had hoped that died off in the dark ages Sad
They need the toughts for the coming titles, that they used eve as their arena for debate because they all know eve and the document got out being read as facts.


"Gordon Gekko Edition" whoever cameup with that is brilliant, and all the rage not seeing the devils advocate and 'trying to spin it' cleary dont see the question mark in the title or the irony in the edition name.


Garreth Vlox
Minmatar
Obsidian Inc.
Posted - 2011.06.24 23:31:00 - [1446]
 

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Maisonian
Amarr
The Green Machine
Posted - 2011.06.24 23:31:00 - [1447]
 

Originally by: Grimpak
players: CCP can you please answer our questions.
CCP: well yes, Incarna is awesome and it was deployed relatively smoothly!
players: eh?
CCP: also, the NeX prices reflect elite status!
players: wait what the **** are you ta-
CCP: INCARNA IS AWESOME! NO MORE TALKING!
players: dude wha-*banhammer*
CCP: INCARNAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA





this is how it feels, really.


You sir, have +1 internets for redecorating my monitor with tea.

hydlided
Posted - 2011.06.24 23:31:00 - [1448]
 

i still think the whole idea about "buying" virtual money (plex) is almost as rediculous as paying a monthly fee to fly space ships. Lets add virtual cloths to the list of the goods to buy.

Seriously? Even the thought of it buying virtual clothes makes my stomach upset! If my subscription ends, where are my virtual clothes going to? charity? recycled clothes stores?

Wouldnt it just be easier to say "submit your money to CCP: click here". (link it to whatever payment you like)

Hey ****heads: I think after the 4 years of subscription fees of one char and to add a couple of more to follow I think it is fair to say that "we" as gamers have already been sending enough money towards the company don't you think? Whats next? you pay to post on a forum? Real money toll booths on stargates... hey its still optional right?

And they wonder "why" there is so much rage... hey go figure!

Polinus
Caldari
Emptiness.
Posted - 2011.06.24 23:32:00 - [1449]
 

Well its understandable they took so long to answer. Takes time to make such a masterpiece to insult completely your players without being too obvious or usign low level wordings.

Meatay
Night Theifs
Posted - 2011.06.24 23:32:00 - [1450]
 

TL;DR = f' you "people"

RJBlues
Posted - 2011.06.24 23:32:00 - [1451]
 

Originally by: Vim
Read my posts people.



HAHAHAHAHAHAAAHAAHAHAHAHAH... <breath> HAHAHAHAHAAAAAA!!

Like anyone is going to read your special little posts in the screaming, liquid excrement sea of rage that this thread is?

You are a precious little flower.

Micro Tranactions Rock
Posted - 2011.06.24 23:33:00 - [1452]
 

Originally by: Ronin Silfar
Originally by: Micro Tranactions Rock
Ok, with al this negative postings, i would like to post something positive about Micro Transactions.

I think the Micro Transactions is a really good thing, ofcourse i do not care about the new 3d engine or the clothing! I do feel badly for people with older computers who now can't run multiple clients!

But for the store, you don't have to buy clothing, i don't know why i would ever buy clothing in a spaceship game. But i guess we have a girl playerbase who like some sims elements in the game.

But to the point, I really hope one day we will be able buy skill points (or items that will convert into skill points) in the Micro Transaction store.

I know a lot of players object to it, saying i played 8 years and now have 150m skillpoints. -And do not want newer players to be able to get there fast.- But why not? If a new player spends as much money on the game in 1 month as you did in 8 years? It is the choice of the new player who is buying the skill points. It is his money which he spends on a hobby!

And if CCP makes more money they might even hire some people to fix-up new space ships like tech III frigs and battleships. (and fix posses and some other bugs that has been around for a few years)

Well this is solely my opinion, I hope I offended nobody. Lets all be friends again and shoot each other spaceship instead of spending so much time on the forums.


Wow, you totally had me goin' there for a bit. I didn't realize you were trolling until I saw the character name. Good job man. I've not been trolled so hard in years.


I am not using my main name for obvious reasons, and yes i made this character for only this post, but I really am serious, let new players spend lots of money and get to the same skill level of a 8 year old player fast. And then spend more money on ships to fly.(and i do not think ships should be sold via Micro Transactions, the current system works fine let it be.) But new stuff like vanity items and skill points would be nice.

I do believe it will fund bug solving and more (and new) content for EVE spaceship game.

And everyone knows high skillpoints do not equal high skill. I see no problem there. All we get is nicer and more kill mails.

Pippgirl
Caldari
Caldari Provisions
Posted - 2011.06.24 23:33:00 - [1453]
 

Edited by: Pippgirl on 24/06/2011 23:33:35
Alright, I've been thinking.
When CCP gives you lemons, don't make lemonade - make CCP take the lemons back!
Get mad!
I don't want your damn lemons, what am I supposed to do with these?
Demand to see CCP's manager.
Make CCP rue the day it thought it could give the EVE players lemons.
Do you know who we are? We are the people who's gonna burn your house down!
With the lemons.

Mena Arzi
Posted - 2011.06.24 23:33:00 - [1454]
 

Originally by: Azmodeus Valar
I've edited the blog to show what I think it should have said.

Quote:
CCP Zulu wrote:Dear concerned citizens of New Eden

This week has seen quite a controversy unfold. In almost the same instant as we deployed Incarna, an internal newsletter with rather controversial topics addressed leaked out. To further compound the confusion there was a clear and rather large gap in virtual goods pricing expectation and reality with a large segment of the community. Im going to address both these issues right here.

Fearless

Fearless is one of our company values. Its also the name of an internal newsletter that has been designed and developed specifically to catalyze discussions on controversial topics. One of the biggest elephants in the room these days, not just for EVE but for the gaming industry as a whole, is virtual goods sales and microtransactions.

[..]

While its perfectly fine to disagree and attack CCP over policies or actions we take, we think its not cool how individuals that work here have been called out and dragged through the mud due to something they wrote in the internal company newsletter. Seriously, these people were doing their jobs and do not deserve the hate and ****storm being pointed at them.

We make a commitment now and forever to only use microtransactions for vanity items. The discussion in the newsletter was theoretical, and we can understand the impression that it gave. We sincerely apologize for the reaction it caused, and will insure that we consider the community before having these types of discussions again. We never should have had a debate about non-vanity microtransactions, considering the community's feeling on this matter.

Pricing structure

People have been shocked by the price range in the NeX store, but you should remember that we are talking about an initial offering. We agree that our initial pricing was too high, but we will gradually introduce items at other price points, definitely lower and possibly higher than whats in the store today. We hope you enjoy them and are as passionate about them as you are of the current items that are for sale. Expect the vast majority of future clothing to be in the <1000 Aurum pricing, with selected luxury items going higher. We apologize for the disconnect between expectations and reality of the initial release of items in the NeX store, but are quickly working to expand our offerings and bring it more in line with your expectations.

Hangar View

We believe that the Captains Quarters are an exciting development, and are a great basis for future gameplay options. However, we understand the interface, loading times, and performance are negatively impacting people's enjoyment of other aspects of EVE. We are beginning work on a patch to restore the original hangar view that many of you know and love. Players will have the option to default to the hangar or CQ view upon docking, with transitions available to move in between as needed. We expect that as we begin to expand the features available in CQ, along with opening stations and player driven station shops, that more of our customers will begin to use CQ regularly, while still preserving their ability to multibox and quickly access needed services using the hangar view when they need to.

I hope Ive addressed your concerns ...


+1
Quote:
Well continue monitoring the forums and other communications channels and pick up and reply if there are concerns not covered by this blog.

MORE LIES

Auss81
Gallente
The Scope
Posted - 2011.06.24 23:33:00 - [1455]
 

Originally by: NosubstanceHere
Edited by: NosubstanceHere on 24/06/2011 23:25:38
Here is an interesting read: http://www.glassdoor.com/Reviews/CCP-Games-Reviews-E159347.htm


This is a very interesting reading for me, as I'm also an union organizer in my profession Laughing

Eoins Alt
Posted - 2011.06.24 23:34:00 - [1456]
 

this is just a huge troll by ccp
3/10
keep it going you might get 4/10


javer
4S Corporation
Morsus Mihi
Posted - 2011.06.24 23:34:00 - [1457]
 

we are asking for a simple yes or no to vanity items here and we get this load of bullcrap thrown after us with a big spade and a tool for messenger?

also stop saying one thing then forcing us into what you have as the perfect picture of eve most of us isnt into fps or second life type games take that as a clue for were our priorities lay

Rattus Norwegius
Posted - 2011.06.24 23:34:00 - [1458]
 

Wha?...Eh....Surprised

That is the saddest thing I've ever read.. And you spent 2 days on writing that? Supported by a team of community managers
Quote:
gathering more feedback and talking with people making sure the player's perspective is being shared with people higher up the ladder
.

Wow...Rolling Eyes


Reported for lack of content.

BeanBagKing
Terra Incognita
Intrepid Crossing
Posted - 2011.06.24 23:34:00 - [1459]
 

Originally by: Kynder Furlow
Originally by: Keres Drakos
You still haven't answered the main question on everybody's minds: ARE YOU MOVING PAST VANITY ONLY ITEMS FOR MICROTRANSACTIONS?



It would appear not: http://www.eveonline.com/devblog.asp?a=blog&bid=913 (near the bottom).




They answered the question, you just have to read between the lines a little Crying or Very sad

Divus
Black Omega Security
Pandemic Legion
Posted - 2011.06.24 23:34:00 - [1460]
 

OP is a troll, thread locked and a 2 week forum-break for CCP Zulu.


WolfHound Dx
Posted - 2011.06.24 23:34:00 - [1461]
 

What idiotic bull**** from CCP

That kind of atitude will ruin the game

Zleon Leigh
Posted - 2011.06.24 23:35:00 - [1462]
 

Edited by: Zleon Leigh on 24/06/2011 23:35:09
"which by the way is one of our more smooth and successful expansions"

Can't decide if this is just a bold PR spin attempt or if he's truly delusional....

What pathetic joke...

XavierVE
Reasonable People
Posted - 2011.06.24 23:36:00 - [1463]
 

Was hoping for a blog that would restore some confidence and faith in CCP.

This was not that blog.

Greedy Bastage
Posted - 2011.06.24 23:36:00 - [1464]
 

Originally by: Gurgeh Morat
Edited by: Gurgeh Morat on 24/06/2011 23:09:38
Originally by: Mukutep
I don't understand why some people are cancelling their subscriptions on something that might happen. As of right now there are no MT's beyond vanity when I look. CCP hasn't said there's going to be. Agreed, they haven't denied it, but lack of denial doesn't mean certainty. Seems to me like people (as usual) have overreacted.

If MT's that are more than just vanity actually show up in game, I'll be first in line to leave. But leaving over an un-verified assumption of a possibility seems silly.


You are exaclty the person that their refusal to answer that question is aimed at. If they don't deny it they are not lying. At this point in the forum rage the lack of a denial, especially in this dev blog is a 100% yes, non vanity items are on their way. This is a strategy that has been planned for quite some time. A risk analysis has been conducted. Contingency is in place for the inevitable loss of subs. However I think it happened a little earlier than expected.

The only options left are.

1) Change the long planned strategy - can't be done because they have used this strategy to acquire resources & investment.

2) Come clean now - they could do that but they would instantly lose a lot of subs, more than planned and earlier than expected.

3) Lie now & implement later. They lose 100% goodwill and get no carry over into dust or WOD.

4) String the player base along, accept the early losses and milk the hopeless romantics prepared to keep paying them until the knife is buried in their chests.

You're only fooling yourself if you hang around.



QFT

Three accounts unsubbed, for the record.

Keyn Thror
Minmatar
N.S.
Posted - 2011.06.24 23:36:00 - [1465]
 

Originally by: Grimpak
players: CCP can you please answer our questions.
CCP: well yes, Incarna is awesome and it was deployed relatively smoothly!
players: eh?
CCP: also, the NeX prices reflect elite status!
players: wait what the **** are you ta-
CCP: INCARNA IS AWESOME! NO MORE TALKING!
players: dude wha-*banhammer*
CCP: INCARNAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA

this is how it feels, really.


This.

Gurgeh Morat
Gallente
7th Interval
Posted - 2011.06.24 23:37:00 - [1466]
 

To those saying
Quote:
...but if you introduce non vanity items into the Nex then I will unsub


and
Quote:
Give us an answer!


The answer has been given. Read between the lines - no denial means they are going to introduce them. The lack of admission of that fact suggests that their contingency plan didn't include the player base finding out just yet and that they need to retain as many subs as they can at least in the short term.

Don't wait until they ruin the game. Unsub now. Unfortunately there is a lot of latency in the metrics if you just unsub due to the varying lengths of subscription.

So to really make it absolutely clear to CCP. If you are not going to tolerate non vanity MT then don't login at all. Watch the server stats drop.

I mean what is the point in logging in anyway when they refuse to deny they are going to completely ruin the game you play?

In fact after this weekend and the burning bridges dev blog we are responding to, expect non vanity items to appear very quickly unless you can affect their important metrics immediately.


Tamahra
Gallente
Apina.
United Pod Service
Posted - 2011.06.24 23:37:00 - [1467]
 

Originally by: Maisonian
Originally by: Grimpak
players: CCP can you please answer our questions.
CCP: well yes, Incarna is awesome and it was deployed relatively smoothly!
players: eh?
CCP: also, the NeX prices reflect elite status!
players: wait what the **** are you ta-
CCP: INCARNA IS AWESOME! NO MORE TALKING!
players: dude wha-*banhammer*
CCP: INCARNAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA


this is how it feels, really.


You sir, have +1 internets for redecorating my monitor with tea.


because you laughed so hard or you cried so hard? Because if you read it thorougly, it pretty much resembles whats really going on right now

Maisonian
Amarr
The Green Machine
Posted - 2011.06.24 23:38:00 - [1468]
 

Edited by: Maisonian on 24/06/2011 23:39:22
All aboard the bat5hit crazy train!

Next stop, CCP HQ

Confirming that people do indeed have enough RL money to choose a 1000 pair of jeans instead of BUYING A FRICKING CAR or somthing...

You've lost all touch with reality. Sort it out.

Originally by: Tamahra
Originally by: Maisonian
Originally by: Grimpak
players: CCP can you please answer our questions.
CCP: well yes, Incarna is awesome and it was deployed relatively smoothly!
players: eh?
CCP: also, the NeX prices reflect elite status!
players: wait what the **** are you ta-
CCP: INCARNA IS AWESOME! NO MORE TALKING!
players: dude wha-*banhammer*
CCP: INCARNAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA


this is how it feels, really.


You sir, have +1 internets for redecorating my monitor with tea.


because you laughed so hard or you cried so hard? Because if you read it thorougly, it pretty much resembles whats really going on right now


Laughing at the sheer brilliance with which this has been summarised. And then crying.

Divus
Black Omega Security
Pandemic Legion
Posted - 2011.06.24 23:38:00 - [1469]
 

Originally by: BeanBagKing
Originally by: Kynder Furlow
Originally by: Keres Drakos
You still haven't answered the main question on everybody's minds: ARE YOU MOVING PAST VANITY ONLY ITEMS FOR MICROTRANSACTIONS?



It would appear not: http://www.eveonline.com/devblog.asp?a=blog&bid=913 (near the bottom).




They answered the question, you just have to read between the lines a little Crying or Very sad


Quote:
So this thing is vanity items only?

Yes

[...]

As time progresses, we'll gradually introduce new items and revise our strategy.

Katra Novac
Posted - 2011.06.24 23:39:00 - [1470]
 

When was the last time a Dev actually posted in this thread? Probably all gone home for the weekend laughing their socks off.


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