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Kynder Furlow
Posted - 2011.06.24 23:23:00 - [1411]
 

http://www.eveonline.com/devblog.asp?a=blog&bid=913

Read near the bottom - whats changed so that that response is no longer valid?


Lockefox
Caldari
Hell's Librarians
Darkmatter Initiative
Posted - 2011.06.24 23:23:00 - [1412]
 

Way to throw gasoline on the fire rather than water.

A few points:
-CQ is a poor delivery on a mediocre feature. The fact the code runs so hot for what little is there is frankly inexcusable. You should not require an SLI/Crossfire setup to be able to multi-box. Docked in station should not be pushing people's systems to the brink.

-The AUR store is a joke. How could it possibly be justifiable to spend more than 1 PLEX on a single cosmetic upgrade? They're called MICROtransactions. Also, the justification for ludicrous prices in the name of fashion are inadequate. You guys have a PhD economist on staff... how could you not only miss the mark but continue to remain stuck on a price point that will net you nothing?

There's nothing inherently wrong with microtransactions. Plenty of legitimate games use them as significant revenue sources. But the idea is to keep them micro to nickle-and-dime the buyers rather than expect the playerbase to shell out 20USD for a "sparkle pony". I personally was looking into picking up a PLEX to convert to AUR when the expansion launched, but after seeing the prices ranging from 10USD to 70USD, I will not be participating.

The correct answer to this problem is a reworking of the existing AUR market (even if that requires refunds to players who may have purchased new items), a direct message to the players on the intended nature of MT in the future of EVE... and it wouldn't hurt to not alienate and ignore your CSM you spent so much time putting together.

ez caper
Amarr
Posted - 2011.06.24 23:24:00 - [1413]
 

well lucas is making sw:kotor 3 as a MMO,really can't be worse then eve if they implement MT

Majmuna
Posted - 2011.06.24 23:25:00 - [1414]
 

CCP Zulu must be just be kidding us, right? I am working in a PR, and never in my life have I seen such a poor impersonation of Goebbelsian propaganda. No real issues addressed, even stylistics of his blog is very poor. I am becoming hugely disappointed.

I was considering quitting EVE when i first heard about the MT even as vanity items. Should CCP ever introduce gameplay-influencing microtransactions, I will quit the very moment. Just have a look at the Dark Orbit game - it is just lame and plainly stupid.

Let me repeat again, I am becoming hugely disappointed - CCP starts to act in a way our (Czech) corrupt parliament does.

Jefferson H Clay
Posted - 2011.06.24 23:25:00 - [1415]
 

Odd thought. I chicken littled about what happens to EVE when the Dusties leave. It never occured to me that by the time the Dusties get here there would be no EVE or at least not an EVE in any shape to support them.

So what happens to Dust when EVE flatlines?

Komen
Gallente
Capital Enrichment Services
Posted - 2011.06.24 23:25:00 - [1416]
 

The very fact that you are discussing microtransactions beyond vanity items AT ALL is a mistake. We are not a well to be double-dipped at your leisure. We are a fanbase because you have given to us, so we give to you our subscriptions, or buying plexes, or whatever.

The fact that Soundwave is being crucified for that article, and Turbefield is being lauded for his, should tell you EVERYTHING YOU NEED TO KNOW.

In short your response is lacking, and my unsubscription stands.

tl:dr No MT for in-game advantage of any sort. Stop discussing it.

PS: Quality game development is the harder road to financial reward, yes. It also pays off in unexpected ways, like giving you a good reputation going into Dust and WoD. Think on that.

Innominate
Amarr
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
Posted - 2011.06.24 23:25:00 - [1417]
 

Originally by: Kynder Furlow
http://www.eveonline.com/devblog.asp?a=blog&bid=913

Read near the bottom - whats changed so that that response is no longer valid?




The clear intention to take it beyond vanity items into a pay-to-win model.

RJBlues
Posted - 2011.06.24 23:25:00 - [1418]
 

Originally by: Anistazana
Quote:
We will gradually introduce items at other price points, definitely lower and probably higher than whats in the store today. We hope you enjoy them and are as passionate about them as you are of the current items that are for sale.


One more time.

Are you going to sell items, beyond vanity items, in game in EVE?

Let me try that through Google translate into Icelandic.

Ert a fara a selja vrur, handan atrii hgma, leiknum EVE?


Fail translation: Correct translation is "tli i virkilega a selja mr hluti sem eru ekki bara upp hgma a gera EVE?"

Grog Barrel
Posted - 2011.06.24 23:25:00 - [1419]
 

Edited by: Grog Barrel on 24/06/2011 23:27:34
where did this icelandic chimps get their academic degree at all?
this is a ****ing dirty joke!

NosubstanceHere
Posted - 2011.06.24 23:25:00 - [1420]
 

Edited by: NosubstanceHere on 24/06/2011 23:25:38
Here is an interesting read: http://www.glassdoor.com/Reviews/CCP-Games-Reviews-E159347.htm

Amber Villaneous
Posted - 2011.06.24 23:25:00 - [1421]
 

Originally by: Jefferson H Clay
And here's the thing if all of us haters leave and don't worry we're gone, that's less people who aren't children to spend 15 on a PLEX for you to buy ingame with ISK isn't it? Because here's a hint. I'm taking my stockpiles of them with me in to the abyss.


Nooooo! That is one of CCPs goals, to remove stockpiles of PLEX. Give them to your corp or friends and keep them in play.

Zunone Teradorado
Easy Co.
Important Internet Spaceship League
Posted - 2011.06.24 23:25:00 - [1422]
 

So nice job writing a blog that does nothing to calm your players.

read this: http://eve.beyondreality.se/NeXCQResponse.html

Now respond to ALL of the points this piece raises, that will begin to calm you players down.

Bloodpetal
Mimidae Risk Solutions
Posted - 2011.06.24 23:26:00 - [1423]
 

Edited by: Bloodpetal on 24/06/2011 23:25:50

As a friend of mine just said, "That Devblog had the most sarcastic smug tone ever."




Let me put it this way. WRONG ANSWER

Tla Atij
Posted - 2011.06.24 23:26:00 - [1424]
 

Originally by: Grimpak
players: CCP can you please answer our questions.
CCP: well yes, Incarna is awesome and it was deployed relatively smoothly!
players: eh?
CCP: also, the NeX prices reflect elite status!
players: wait what the **** are you ta-
CCP: INCARNA IS AWESOME! NO MORE TALKING!
players: dude wha-*banhammer*
CCP: INCARNAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA





this is how it feels, really.

This.

Kynder Furlow
Posted - 2011.06.24 23:26:00 - [1425]
 

Originally by: Innominate
Originally by: Kynder Furlow
http://www.eveonline.com/devblog.asp?a=blog&bid=913

Read near the bottom - whats changed so that that response is no longer valid?




The clear intention to take it beyond vanity items into a pay-to-win model.


Where?!?!??! Where are you getting this 'intention' idea from?

It talks about vanity items only.. and suggests that vanity items will be changed and in respone to how it impacts the economy as a whole..

Calypsa Aeurelieus
Posted - 2011.06.24 23:26:00 - [1426]
 

Almost 50 pages already. People can claim that people are over reacting, this is my first post in the comments, and will be my only one until further Dev. statements.

To the guys/gals who say players are over-reacting... let them over-react. They are paying for something that has become, for many of them, an integral part of their daily routine. It's the small creature comforts in life like our hobbies and our friends that allow us to plow through all the other crap in life.

The bottom line is people are truly disheartened. I'm not saying EVE will fail, in fact I hope it doesn't, but the MT clearly isn't the right answer for "this" community. I've came from other MMO's based on MT that have a crowd that is accepting of such.

Look at where EVE has came from since it's beginning. It's made leaps and bounds, and made a fine profit from it. However it is human nature to always want more, and sometimes the developers, and perhaps the players in some cases have to realize that less can be more.

All in all I hope that things will eventually cool down. MT is truly a game breaking mechanic for THIS game. Maybe not for all, but for EVE it can't happen. It will upset the natural circle of things. I do hope the developers at EVE will take this weekend to think long and hard about what steps they can take to rectify all that has happened.

They have created something that could be easily stopped by showing us proof that MT won't happen for non-vanity items. Also, my one post in the other huge thread was in regard to Zulu's blog. Honestly Zulu, I don't know you from Adam, and I'm not going to call you names, curse you out, or anything, but you and I both know you totally avoided what needed to be said, whether it was because you are hoping it wipes away, or you were told you couldn't say anything. You are high enough in the structure that your input counts, but your position isn't much without a crowd base. EVE is your corporations primary source of income at this point, and until the other games you are trying to develop become successful (1 of which is highly dependent on EVE remaining successful), we are your main source of funding. Don't neglect that now, or later.

This is a firm player base and tight community that has been built. Players young and old are uniting under one banner, I'm half tempted to go thru this thread and the other main thread to see how many have un-subbed. Perhaps if you have 400k total accounts (Heard this in a recent interview), you can afford to lose some... but if you are like most business you run on a profit margin with prospected good and bad quarters, and I can assure you that if you follow thru with MT your quarters will continue to go down.

I've already made this post much longer than I originally planned, not out of anger, or hate, but simply out of pittance. I've never found a community quite like EVE and it would be a shame to see it go to waste for the sake of money. In the end, money can only get you so far... remember your roots CCP, remember the promise of a new breed of an MMO, and continue to live up to that promise even in the face of the F2P MT MMO's that are springing up all over.

Regards,

Calypsa

Indy Rider
Amarr
Firebird Squadron
Terra-Incognita
Posted - 2011.06.24 23:27:00 - [1427]
 

Originally by: Kynder Furlow
http://www.eveonline.com/devblog.asp?a=blog&bid=913

Read near the bottom - whats changed so that that response is no longer valid?




Well at least we have confirmation they're going P2W.

Quantumality
Amarr
Posted - 2011.06.24 23:27:00 - [1428]
 

There are many things fairly unique about EVE that keep peole playing, or coming back time after time. Part of that appeal is the fact there are no (legal) easy mode buttons. Being able to buy game advantage (skill points, ships, ammo, faction standing, etc.) would destroy this aspect of EVE and make this just another game. Long term players - of any game - are long term players because the game they are playing is not just any game.

On the point about justifying game items based on real world price, I strongly object. This is not the real world, this is an environment created and owned by CCP, where CCP is god. If I go buy a few thousand dollar suits at Saks 5th Avenue, not only do I not have to pay $15 a month to wear them, Saks can not come and ban my closet for something else I did and deprive me of my suits. Not only do you require me to pay a subscription fee to access items you want me to pay real money for, you also have the ability at any time at your descretion (per your TOS and EULA) to take those items from me. That in itself totally breaks your "real world" analogy, sorry.

Dennie Fleetfoot
Posted - 2011.06.24 23:27:00 - [1429]
 

Originally by: Garreth Vlox
Originally by: Dennie Fleetfoot
WAS THAT ALL WE F***ING GET!!!!!!!!
You sir have just proved yourself to be more stupid, ignorant and ill-informed than George W Bush.



this can't be quoted enough




Thanks. My typos not withstanding. I've had a cup of tea now and calmed down.

Keres Drakos
Posted - 2011.06.24 23:28:00 - [1430]
 

Edited by: Keres Drakos on 24/06/2011 23:29:08
You still haven't answered the main question on everybody's minds: ARE YOU MOVING PAST VANITY ONLY ITEMS FOR MICROTRANSACTIONS?

Stop giving us this bull**** run-around, give us a simple yes or no. I understand you said in the devblog that the "Fearless" document that was leaked was intended for discussion from exaggerated stances. That's fine. That's how a lot of hot-button issues get hammered out. However, the fact that you (CCP) were even considering offering items that would give players an advantage for real money is absolutely disgusting.

You lied to our faces, you breached our trust, and now you're losing customers.

Chose your next move carefully, otherwise you can say goodbye to me and my 7 (yes SEVEN) accounts.

EDIT: FREE HELICITY BOSON! No seriously, he exposed information that is now public knowledge, there is no reason to enforce the ban any longer.

Lothix VSX
Posted - 2011.06.24 23:28:00 - [1431]
 

Issues of buying non-vanity items for RL money aside, as it can be done now, CCP could have just stated that NEX items will consume appropriate amount of manufactured items in addition to AUR to purchase ASAP and the issue would have been settled. Tying NEX into player manufacturing market should be a no-brainer.

Buying permanent (non-item) character advancement with RL money will ruin the game instantly, this is also a no-brainer. It doesn't make sense to not address this unless CCP already gave up on EVE.

Zarlis
Gallente
Posted - 2011.06.24 23:29:00 - [1432]
 

Originally by: CCP Zulu

Players go fu.ck yourselves

I hope Ive addressed your concerns and cleared up a lot of the issues youre having.



loud and clear

I can only assume by the tone of you blog and the fact you address virtually nothing that enough people have bought stuff from your store that you don't give a sh.it if some subs are cancelled.

2 subs cancelled


Toovhon
Posted - 2011.06.24 23:29:00 - [1433]
 

Originally by: Aineko Macx
TL;DR:
Stay the course!


Why the [email protected]#$ do idiots like this fail to read something that's not even long, then comment on it anyway? I don't get this mindset.

VonKolroth
Gallente
Dreddit
Test Alliance Please Ignore
Posted - 2011.06.24 23:29:00 - [1434]
 

Jesus, That monocle has pretty much become the symbol of everything that is wrong and broken in EvE.

Kynder Furlow
Posted - 2011.06.24 23:29:00 - [1435]
 

Originally by: Keres Drakos
You still haven't answered the main question on everybody's minds: ARE YOU MOVING PAST VANITY ONLY ITEMS FOR MICROTRANSACTIONS?



It would appear not: http://www.eveonline.com/devblog.asp?a=blog&bid=913 (near the bottom).


Talsha Talamar
Amarr
Nebula Rasa Holdings
Nebula Rasa
Posted - 2011.06.24 23:29:00 - [1436]
 

Edited by: Talsha Talamar on 24/06/2011 23:33:20


Worst response ever.



For a second I was actually stunned.
So basically your message to the playerbase is:

Deal with it !?

You are aware that eve is your only cash cow right ?

You are aware that there are some stains on a MMO companies image that stick ?

Ask Sony or ask Funcom.

I am as much disgusted as I am puzzled and disappointed.


Oh yes and this:

Originally by: Grimpak
players: CCP can you please answer our questions.
CCP: well yes, Incarna is awesome and it was deployed relatively smoothly!
players: eh?
CCP: also, the NeX prices reflect elite status!
players: wait what the **** are you ta-
CCP: INCARNA IS AWESOME! NO MORE TALKING!
players: dude wha-*banhammer*
CCP: INCARNAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA


this is how it feels, really.

derrjuden
Posted - 2011.06.24 23:29:00 - [1437]
 

While I respect your decisions as company that needs to make money to satisfy it's shareholders and employees, the "noble" exchange comes across as a money-grab. If you're going to do that, at least make things worth purchasing, and at a reasonable rate....

Quote:
While some might take offence to you making money, meh I don't agree with that view personally you're free to invent your earning schemes (but we'll get to that). My problem is rather, why on earth are you making an MT store where the pricing breaks the basic rule of MT: make prices so low that they're not a factor in the decision-making process? The problem in my eyes isn't that the stuff is expensive, it's that it breaks this rule and creates a mental barrier to purchase, which means it fails at the purpose of making money.



also, this ^

Damian Gene
Posted - 2011.06.24 23:29:00 - [1438]
 

Quote:
The year ended with around 360,000 accounts... 2010 Q4 Report


$15 USD per month * 360,000 subscriptions = $5,400,000 USD per month.
$5,400,000 USD per month * 12 months (1 Year) = $64,800,000 USD per year.

Now, I'm a businessman, and own my own company in the US. So I very well understand that Gross income is very different then Net income.
I also understand that 99% of the time, the biggest expense in any company, is Payroll.
Even if you salary 1/2 of you're gross(about 32m) You could hire 320 employees at $100,000 USD per year (excluding tax's)
I am unsure of how many people you employ that work in with Eve Online, however getting a petition that took a week to send a generic response indicates that poor customer service is a result of being under-staffed.

I challenge you, CCP employees, the CEO, the Board of Directors, and most importantly, the stock holders, to investigate and find out who is about to be the cause of a 25% or more monthly decline in gross revenue, and fire them immediately.

We both know, being proactive is how you stay in business. If it's after the fact, the CEO gets fired, and management get's re-organized, but the bottom line is the same, you still lost money.
Do something now, so you don't loose the money.

Ribaldry
Posted - 2011.06.24 23:30:00 - [1439]
 

Edited by: Ribaldry on 25/06/2011 01:49:26
I haven't read the previous posts here, just going through the blog post and responding.

Quote:
which by the way is one of our more smooth and successful expansions


I was telling people about this the other day... truly amazing how CCP finally made a major release and didn't screw it up.

Quote:
One of the biggest elephants in the room these days, not just for EVE but for the gaming industry as a whole, is virtual goods sales and microtransactions.


This is not an elephant in the room. Zynga and many other game companies do MT successfully. They do not, however, set expectations -> PROMISE AND GUARANTEE these expectations -> then secretly plan a contradictory model.

You know what? Responding to the rest of the blog is pointless. There was a giant yellow question that the vast majority of players wanted answered and you completely ignored it.

Shangpo
The Praxis Initiative
Gentlemen's Agreement
Posted - 2011.06.24 23:30:00 - [1440]
 

Originally by: NosubstanceHere
Edited by: NosubstanceHere on 24/06/2011 23:25:38
Here is an interesting read: http://www.glassdoor.com/Reviews/CCP-Games-Reviews-E159347.htm


Several years now CCP has predicated insane subscriber goals that cannot be met. Naturally this is met with scepticism by the employees but it falls on deaf ears. The result is that the company is suffering because we cannot sustain the development of EVE, DUST and WOD. EVE is not creating enough revenue which means that solutions are sought, solutions that CCP was vehemently against a few years ago.


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