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The Collective
Posted - 2011.06.24 21:54:00 - [871]

The short version of the dev blog after I remove all the spin and fluff:

Please visit your user settings to re-enable images.

Not too ironically my response is the same.

Sam Typed
Posted - 2011.06.24 21:54:00 - [872]

Count me among the disappointed. I would have liked to see a dev post by now that demonstrated that CCP actually understood the concerns being expressed in the forums even if there weren’t answers yet.

CCP, try writing the following on your Twitter:

We understand you are concerned that Eve Online will become Pay To Win. We will be specifically addressing this very soon.

Also, if everyone could stop referring to $45 transactions as “micro” transactions, I would be much happier.

Cyriel Longinus
Posted - 2011.06.24 21:54:00 - [873]

I call bullsh!t.

I'll be more sincere and direct than you can be with me.
You have lost my trust.

In 2005, I had chosen to believe in the little rebel Icelandic company of gamers that implied they were not only understanding but better than the big corporate developers whom for profit justified bleeding their player communities by charging extras for premium content and expansions.

That was the inspiration for the FAQ.

"Your subscription fee gives you unlimited access to the EVE Online servers, website, and customer support. Unlike console games where you are purchasing the game as-is, the development of EVE as a persistent world is ongoing with frequent updates to add new features and improve your gameplay experience. Subscriptions allow us to continue making EVE bigger and better as well as paying our staff their monthly wages. CCP does not charge extra for game expansions"

Now that you are a corporation, I am naive for believing in that message and for believing in you.

Posted - 2011.06.24 21:54:00 - [874]

I read this as FU customers.


Incarna Protest
Posted - 2011.06.24 21:54:00 - [875]

Edited by: Rho1 on 24/06/2011 22:06:29

No more lies!
No more not giving a frack about playerbase opinions!

We THE PEOPLE demand:

1. MT containing vanity items ONLY. That is the most important issue and the one that causes most rage. We want you to tell us that you will NOT sell standings, skills, ammo, or uber ships via NEX store. Don't lie to us. Don't tell us that what Soundwave wrote in your internal newsletter is just his "personal opinion" and it doesn't matter, It's an opinion of a lead game designer and we want CCP to ASSURE US THAT THIS WILL NOT HAPPEN.

2. CQ to be an option to enter from the old hangar view
a) because we aren't ALL here to play barbies in stations.
b) because implementation sux technically (fried PCs, more load on some PCs than full-maxed Crisis 2, just read the forums)
c) don't tell us it's our fault and lousy gear that you cannot code a 5by5 dark room which does not take 100% of gpu power on a modern machine.
d) image of a door is not an acceptable option, just put old hangar view back in.

3. Assurance, that you WILL NOT introduce in-game obstacles just to sell us the option to remove them, like you did with saving of ship fittings. (move them to server, put limit of 50 fittings in place, get paid for increasing the limit? cunning).
a) remove the one obstacle already introduced, give us option to keep unlimited number of fittings locally like it was before.

Meet above demands, and the playerbase will cool down.
Don't act stupid and pretend that we rage about the price of monocle. That is the matter you want to explain to the media and the gaming industry, which are all laughing at you.
We will simply not buy it.

If you don't plan to comply to the above, tell us now, so we can stop investing our time and money in your service.

1. No to selling advantages.
2. Ship spinning back.
3. No to introducing obstacles to sell option to remove them.

Muppet Ninja's
Ninja Unicorns with Huge Horns
Posted - 2011.06.24 21:54:00 - [876]

Tbh im just speechless and sad.

This is just a big middle finger right into our face.

Posted - 2011.06.24 21:54:00 - [877]

Time to choose whether or not to continue to pay to be insulted.

Time to choose whether or not to continue to pay for glacial development of substantive content while superfluous proof-of-concept demonstrations are shoehorned into EVE from other MMOs.

Time to choose whether or not to continue to pay for the neglect of long standing balance issues and contempt for real community concerns.

Jayde Emeraude
Angels of Anarchy
Posted - 2011.06.24 21:55:00 - [878]

Have you noticed for probably the first time in Eve- we who play this game are not trolling each other but are united in our opinion about what you've done and where you are going?

FFS there are sooo many things broken with this and all your blog said was STFU and TAKE IT!

Guess what....we aren't this time - let's see you brag to PC or Gamers Magazines next month about your server counts!

Elondris Singh
Posted - 2011.06.24 21:55:00 - [879]

Dear CCP.

$80 != Micro.

That is all.

Ricardo Gonzalo Montalban
Posted - 2011.06.24 21:55:00 - [880]

Edited by: Ricardo Gonzalo Montalban on 24/06/2011 21:55:43
Originally by: Randal Eirikr
Originally by: Lord o'Darkness
Originally by: Cutter Isaacson


This. All you have to do is answer this ONE question.

Answering one question seems to be to much for CCP. I have a suspicion why though.

Serenity Frye
Heretic Army
Posted - 2011.06.24 21:55:00 - [881]

How laughable. It starts off smug, and it stays smug. Ccp Zulu I bet you are "one of those guys" who would even consider wearing a thousand dollar pair of jeans. To quote lady spank, "pathetic". Just, pathetic. You say how bad it is for us to drag employees name through the mud, well guess who is next?

Furthermore, you claim they were just opinions, then you say that they were instructed to write an exagerated opinion to bring about discussion. What are you, drunk? Take a look in the reflection of your thousand dollar raw denim: what you will see is a clown.

Good job avoiding the issue. By doing so, you said all that needs to be said. Have fun with Sony.
Rolling Eyes

Di-Tron Heavy Industries
Posted - 2011.06.24 21:56:00 - [882]

Reid Lutman
Posted - 2011.06.24 21:56:00 - [883]

What i would like to know is what does the future of MT in eve hold. Will MT be limited to vanity items only? If not, what are your plans for it in the future?
If players who participate in MT have an unfair advantage i will loose my motivation to play. For me, stumping up money for MT whilst already paying for 3 accounts is too much.

To those having hardware problems:
People complaining of broken hardware need to contact their hardware supplier or upgrade. No hardware pushed to it's limit should break. You have to expect that over time hardware requirements are going to increase and so will the burden on your hardware.

Gilbert Intaki
Posted - 2011.06.24 21:56:00 - [884]

CCP (Zulu) - you are as arrogant and incompetent as ever.
Are you deliberately trying to **** people off by ignoring THE MAJOR gripe that people have?? Or are you actually really that ****ing thick??

F u c k i n g incredible!

You're a God damn disgrace! WHO PAYS YOUR BILLS??

Posted - 2011.06.24 21:56:00 - [885]

Originally by: VoiceInTheDesert
The answer is yes. There's no way a group of adults could read this forum and not understand that all the anger was about that issue. It's not able the pricing structure, it's not even about CQ, it's about MT for in-game advantages.

There are only two possible ways the blog could exclude an answer to this question:

1. They really don't get it because they lack the ability to read and comprehend the words on this forum
2. They intend to do this and just won't say so to avoid losing people and their money as long as possible, hoping that the anger will die down and people will accept it over time.

As much as a lot of you would love to say option 1, it's simply not plausible. These people are adults and they know how to read. They know exactly why we're mad, but refuse to change their course.

MT for in-game advantages are coming.

A sad day this is turning out to be.

Jefferson H Clay
Posted - 2011.06.24 21:56:00 - [886]

First of all. THE HELL?

Lets look to 12 months ago. There is CCP Shadow saying there will not be any form of microtransactions in EVE. Not for vanity items, not for ubers, nothing. Then you start internally discussing microtransactions. Then you start debating it. Then you bring it in. The question remains unanswered.

Are CCP looking to sell gameplay related items (i.e. ubers) via this thing?

Because frankly THAT is the elephant in the room. It's the question you, CCP, have been avoiding for the past three days! We'd be happy to forgive Soundwave and the person inviting the Lead Designer of a game who's public policy is NO MT EVER to debate MT's in a document that is I am led to believe sat in your reception area where any visitor and/or guest can snag a copy as just being pants on head ******ed but you've got to answer that question. Your playerbase is leaning towards "Yes" and "within 6 months".

We've already caught you with your hands in the cookie jar, so out with it. How many of them have you eaten before we caught you?

Also, if I were wearing $1,000 jeans I would, firstly, be dribbling purple crayola eater levels of stupid and secondly I would anticipate them to be of a much higher quality than the standard fair, hand crafted by experts, designed to fit my every contour exactly as I'd specified. Made of Kevlar and impregnated with 24ct gold thread.

The same people who made the ingame £30 skirt are the same that'll be making the £5 ingame skirt, sat on the same chairs, drinking the same tasty beverage out of the same mug each time. They will have no appriciable increase (or decrease) in skill levels at creating such items between the creation of the two. The only real difference is they put in less effort. So your expecting me to pay for something where someone's been lazy?

Here's a hint that your logic is broken. I can buy a suit. A damn good walk in to a room and people go "fark me that's a dapper gent in a good suit" from Mos Bros for around £200. It's real, it is tangiable, I own it and I can touch it. No matter how high the poly count on your 'Precision' skirt it is simply not real and thus worth very little by comparison and most certainly not worth the current £20 asking price.

Also the fact that the only place in this game a female avatar can currently get a skirt is the MT shop is frankly very telling. No I've not found one in the character creator.

Posted - 2011.06.24 21:56:00 - [887]

30 pages in an hour. Awesome. And still CCP won't listen.

Posted - 2011.06.24 21:56:00 - [888]

This is so unbelievably depressing. I'm a very casual player with 2 accounts, logging in sometimes only a few times a month to change skills and do a bit of mining. I keep paying my subscription because I have confidence that this game is still going to be worth playing in the future. I've had confidence in the direction the devs were taking things. I felt I could trust in the world that EVE had created. I trusted that the developers "got it" and cared about providing a quality sandbox experience for their players.

Incarna and the events that have followed it shook my confidence. I had hoped the silence of the past couple days was CCP coming up with a positive response to the many well-written pieces that player's have posted expressing their concerns.

Instead of a serious attempt to bolster confidence in the long term direction of EVE, we got some shockingly juvenile and condescending language like:

People have been shocked by the price range in the NeX store, but you should remember that we are talking about clothes. Look at the clothes you are currently wearing in real life....

Here he speaks down to us as if we are just too stupid to understand. As if this is all something about nothing and we just aren't bright enough to see the big picture. As if we've been waiting the last couple days for a "lesson".

...We hope you enjoy them and are as passionate about them as you are of the current items that are for sale.

Here it feels like he is intentionally mocking how much your customers care about the direction of the game.

I hope I‘ve addressed your concerns and cleared up a lot of the issues you‘re having.

I have the feeling that the author must be smirking here. He must know that he hasn't. Totally depressing.

How could EVE have turned out this way? Such a great game, such promise, yet such apparent determination by the devs to throw it all away.

After reading that blog post it feels like I have been urinated on.

My son is 8yrs old and he likes to watch me play. He was looking forward to the day when he'd be able to play. So was I. I had that much trust in EVE, based upon everything that had been built before that I'd promised him an account when he was old enough.

Now it even feels dirty to login and play at all.

Mr Abstoss
Posted - 2011.06.24 21:56:00 - [889]

CCP, I will not give you my money anymore. Thats it you lost me.
It have been nice 3.5 years for me, but now thats it.
3 Subs canceled.
Have fun with your downtime for 0 Players.

Sanakan Seidensha
Posted - 2011.06.24 21:56:00 - [890]

I don't get the rage going on in here. Maybe someone can explain how anything changes with Aurum?

Currently in EvE, you can be a noob, get fresh into the game, buy a load of Plex, use them to buy a char, use them to buy your char a mom and all the shiny stuff to fit it.
Will sure beat those other noobs in ther Impairors, dont' you think?
If that is not power for $$$ already a reality in EvE and has been forever, then I don't know what is...

So what's new here?

Android Mindslave
Posted - 2011.06.24 21:56:00 - [891]

Originally by: Don Pellegrino
Edited by: Don Pellegrino on 24/06/2011 21:02:44
You still haven't repeated your commitment to never bringing non-vanity MT's, but it doesn't matter.

A long-term MMO like Eve is built on trust.

Why should I keep investing time, effort and money into this game to someday achieve great things if the game MIGHT NOT be worth playing in 6 months?

CCP has shown many times that its promises are meaningless.

The only thing now that you can do is DELIVER. Your words have no value and won't stop the exodus. The time to promise to never bring non-vanity MTs is gone, you can't even reiterate promise, but it doesn't matter because we don't trust you anymore, anyway.

Only your ACTIONS could change something.

Remove the Noble Exchange, give players back the PLEX's they have spent on Aurum and make all the Noble Store content free for everyone.
Then, add a "Disembark Ship" button to make CQ OPTIONAL. If Incarna is good, players will use it, don't make us vomit it to your face by trying to force it down our throat.

That should be enough to stop the bleeding until the next time you **** because we all know you are too stubborn to do what the CSM tells you and to learn from your mistakes.

It takes years to build trust and just a few seconds to destroy it.

That devblog isn't addressing the elephant in the room.

Lead Farmers
Kill It With Fire
Posted - 2011.06.24 21:56:00 - [892]

You've had your chance Zulu. Let Turbefield speak!

Sing Xing
Posted - 2011.06.24 21:56:00 - [893]

Originally by: Teya Ihara
I believe the Devblog missed the point a little.

- Address the 800lb gorilla in the room. I honestly don't care(nor do most) about your AUR pricing scheme for vanity items, I may or may not buy them, depending on my personal perception of value. What needs to be addressed is.... "Will Money Transfer ever(in the foreseeable future) be used for non-vanity items"? period. An answer to that question is needed. Adding in some ideas for what you think are acceptable RMT items for the AUR system would also help calm some people the hell down.

You're confusing metaphors. The 800lb gorilla metaphor, is in the context of this saying: "What can a 800lb gorilla do? - Anything it god damn wants to" (in the sense that noone can stop it - In computer talk, usually that's microsoft or google being talked about. On a gobal political scale, the United States).

You're probably thinking of the "elephant in the room" metaphor. That one is based on the saying "The elephant in the room noone talks about" (like a alchoholic uncle at a family picknick or the gay cuisin who recently attempted suicide) and I'm pretty sure everyone is talking about this particular elephant - micro transactions. So to sum up, your 800lb gorially analogy is wrong.

Other than that, that's a very reasonable and well thought out post, thank you.

Posted - 2011.06.24 21:57:00 - [894]

"This week has seen quite a controversy unfold. In almost the same instant as we deployed Incarna - which by the way is one of our more smooth and successful expansions, not to mention absolutely gorgeous"

40 pages of the feedback thread and over a 1000 respondents say otherwise bud.

The Tuskers
Posted - 2011.06.24 21:57:00 - [895]

You did not really address my main concern. I want to know what CCP's policy is going to be concerning MT? Will it be limited to vanity only? Why have you not answered this simple question?
As a long time EVE customer I think you owe me an answer to the question. Players have a significant investment in time and money in your game. I would like to able to make an informed choice about continuing to invest my time and money in your game. Right now I have strong doubts if your vision of the future if EVE match my expectations.
I will be clear and honest with you. I will not play this game if you intend to go down the aur for none vanity items. If you continue to avoid answering the question I can only assume you are being deceptive and do not want to be open and honest with your player base.
As for Incarna, it is without a doubt the worst expansion I have ever seen and I have seen many. Zero new content that I am interested in. If you think it is a success there really is a disconnect between our expectations.

Liberal Frontier Enterprises
BricK sQuAD.
Posted - 2011.06.24 21:57:00 - [896]

I fully support Incarna and love what it is bringing to the game, but I'm sorry, Zulu's latest blog is a complete joke. We know you guys saw the question in yellow and even responded to it. Why is this major concern still being ignored?

Are you moving beyond VANITY AUR items?

Body Count Inc.
Pandemic Legion
Posted - 2011.06.24 21:57:00 - [897]

This blog post and your 'rationalization' (because that's exactly what it is...a rationalization) of the pricing of vanity items is so insulting to me as a player that it is not even worth my time trying to explain to you just how disconnected and out of touch you really are. I'm sure the next 40 pages of posts will have some other players who can say it better than I.

Truly disgusted, Zulu.

Poor form, mate....incredibly poor form.

Vanishing Point.
The Initiative.
Posted - 2011.06.24 21:57:00 - [898]

Originally by: Evalon Fury
Originally by: Ko'rell Cosca
Originally by: Ceq Lysander

Are you moving beyond VANITY AUR items?

Boaz Hedion Merkava
Posted - 2011.06.24 21:57:00 - [899]

Zulu, step down and resign, fool.


Posted - 2011.06.24 21:57:00 - [900]

that dev blog assumes that everyone is mad about the newsletter when everyone was mad BEFORE the newsletter came to light

i know that you know that. and i know that you don't care

while you're being so butthurt about CCP employees being dragged through the mud for doing one thing and saying another to the player base, you might take a minute to think about how "not cool" it is to lie to your customers, to openly mock them, and to troll them on your own forums. In the 2 years since i've been in Eve i have seen all 3 of those things done on a monthly if not weekly basis

When i look at how you act as individuals, i am embarassed for you, even if you don't have the manners to be embarassed for yourselves

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