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Medaron Dormu
Caldari
Posted - 2011.06.24 21:35:00 - [661]
 

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I just don't get it anymore, I don't think CCP does either.

Arrenslew
Posted - 2011.06.24 21:35:00 - [662]
 

Was really hoping for an answer. I'll go back to my statement from the threadnarok. I'm a switch/router/firewall guy, do it for a living. If something is not explicitly denied (thus why any router acl ends with deny any/any) it is implicitly allowed.

Goodbye CCP, see you in the text books as "those who cannot learn from others mistakes"

Tanaka Kharn
Posted - 2011.06.24 21:35:00 - [663]
 

I love this game.
But Im unsubbing all my bitter vet accounts.
Im not even angry anymore just sad Crying or Very sad

von Diel
Gallente
The Tuskers
Posted - 2011.06.24 21:36:00 - [664]
 

Originally by: CCP Zulu
Hey all. To clarify this blog, its intent was to address two topics and two topics only;

1. What Fearless is and the nature of its content
2. The pricing strategy behind the NeX store

I do realize there are other concerns you have and those will be addressed, but doing it all at the same time would make the messaging tricky and muddled and not allow for a focused discussion. I understand a lot of the frustration going around but if we want to discuss then we need to do so in a constructive and focused manner.

Thanks,
Arnar



Ok, this'll probably net me a forum ban but:

CCP Zulu you can **** right off and die under a train. You chose to tackle the easy issues and ignore the major issues at hand. Its a bit like complaining that your coffee is too hot while your face is on fire.

We knew what Fearless was and its context, what we want to know is whether its contents are going to become reality.

Parleion
Posted - 2011.06.24 21:36:00 - [665]
 

Originally by: Dr Zom
Many people seem to forget that CCP already had MT in game. I can already use real money to buy an advantage. The controversy is wheither I will be able to buy a unique advantage. I can already use my real money to buy a Titan through PLEX. I can already use my real money to buy faction ammo through PLEX. How CCP would kill themselves is if I could use real money to buy a SUper-Mega-Titan with Sansha-Blood-Serpentis-Unobtanium Ammo, only available with Aurum.

And that is what this devblog did absolutely nothing to address. Yes, we understand that internal newsletters do not constitute company policy. The question we are asking is What is company policy on unique non-vanity items for Aurum?


The titan you're buying also was made by a player. That player is profiting from your buying it. The miner who mined the mineral is profiting off you. The guy who researched the cap part bpos. The guy who made the titan bpc. In this case, you're still keeping the economy of eve fresh.

Tamahra
Gallente
Apina.
United Pod Service
Posted - 2011.06.24 21:36:00 - [666]
 

Originally by: Normbil
Edited by: Normbil on 24/06/2011 21:33:49
Originally by: FrankT
You could have just said:

Dear Eve Community,

Go **** Yourself

-End Dev Blog




exactly


i canīt believe whatīs going on at CCP. But one thing is for sure, they do not deserve my money any longer.

/Tamahra out.

Angel of Night
Posted - 2011.06.24 21:36:00 - [667]
 

Originally by: CCP Zulu
I do realize there are other concerns you have and those will be addressed, but doing it all at the same time would make the messaging tricky and muddled and not allow for a focused discussion. I understand a lot of the frustration going around but if we want to discuss then we need to do so in a constructive and focused manner.



And you sir can go to tell your superior, that ignoring yellow letters bigger than an average cat requires such talent, that I'm obviously in wrong game. If you don't mind, throw him some nice duke'nukem quote about eating turd while you're on it.

Good bye Eve Online.

Yldrad
The Dandy KillerS
Posted - 2011.06.24 21:36:00 - [668]
 

Originally by: CCP Zulu
Hey all. To clarify this blog, its intent was to address two topics and two topics only;

1. What Fearless is and the nature of its content
2. The pricing strategy behind the NeX store

I do realize there are other concerns you have and those will be addressed, but doing it all at the same time would make the messaging tricky and muddled and not allow for a focused discussion. I understand a lot of the frustration going around but if we want to discuss then we need to do so in a constructive and focused manner.

Thanks,
Arnar

DevBlog title:
fearless, virtual goods, and rage
So you "adressed" fearless and virtual goods but where are you adressing rage?

Lassiter Ahashion
Posted - 2011.06.24 21:36:00 - [669]
 

Edited by: Lassiter Ahashion on 24/06/2011 21:58:26
Edited by: Lassiter Ahashion on 24/06/2011 21:38:24
Edited by: Lassiter Ahashion on 24/06/2011 21:37:20


"The opinions and views expressed in Fearless are just that; opinions and views. They are not CCP policy nor are they a reliable source of CCP views as a company."

Ok. So Fearless is not CCP policy or a reliable source of CCP views. That doesn't mean that what was said was inaccurate.

The principal question posed by the majority of the EVE community was whether non-vanity items would be available for purchase with Aurum.

You had a chance to disspell any concerns raised about such an issue but failed to comment. Accordingly, some will presume or, at least, be very troubled that CCP will indeed pursue that option.

"What we have here is a failure to communicate."

Please respond to the question that appears to be the most pressing to the EVE community. Anything short of a clear "yes" or "no" will undoubtedly be viewed negatively.

Thank you.

*** Saw CCP Zulu's "response." Result = 2x subs cancelled.


Edgar Loke
Posted - 2011.06.24 21:36:00 - [670]
 

I can't help but feel a little insulted by the blog post. That whole bit about how I buy things in real life that fit a particular price point for me and someone with lots more money might run off and spend more on high dollar items, I personally find that insulting. Suddenly, not only do I have to deal with *******s that go out and buy $1000 suits in the real world, but the developers of a game are now telling me I'm too poor to enjoy everything in their fake world?

I've been trying to keep a cool head about this but frankly I feel like I've been attacked as a customer in this blog post.

Chimaera Abaddon
Posted - 2011.06.24 21:36:00 - [671]
 

I have to say, that did not seem to address most (if any) of the issues I've seen brought up (and I've only read bits and pieces of other threads, which makes the response seem bizarre in that context). The response itself seems incredibly dismissive and an attempt to wag the finger at your player base, while it's legitimately concerned about the direction of the company/game. I don't see any reason to believe CCP has an understanding of the situation, the concerns, or that there will be any move to address the issues meaningfully.

I've only recently come back to Eve, after being away for 3 years from the game, and I can't believe I feel compelled to already suspend my subscriptions, but that's what I'll be doing, until such time as I can feel comfortable renewing.

Part of why I got burnt out from Eve was because of situations like this, which were almost always escalated by the responses (or lack thereof) by the company. This seems no different. I'd honestly thought things might have changed from what I'd seen and heard... Some aspects of the game gave me that impression as well. It's why I've been giving it another shot.

But as it stands, right this moment, it seems that in 3 years CCP hasn't grown as a company. The right hand still doesn't seem to know what the left is doing. There is still this struggle with timely, informed and professional responses. There is still only the vaguest indication of the direction the company/game is moving (is there even one?) and with keeping promises or meeting expectations (even in the rare cases where there is an attempt to set them out beforehand).

It feels like an echo of the years before when I played, always two steps forward and three back. I'm honestly, sadly, disappointed.

Bomberlocks
Minmatar
CTRL-Q
Posted - 2011.06.24 21:36:00 - [672]
 

Zulu, there are cowards and there are real cowards. The latter is you. You didn't address anything. You know full well that the most important question was whether we'll be paying for in-game advantages.

Congratulations, you ignored it completely while being a whiney little **** over how evil we are to your precious peons.

TL;DR YOU SAID NOTHING.

I'm staying unsubbed, now probably for good. Go rip some other idiot off.

Sing Xing
Posted - 2011.06.24 21:37:00 - [673]
 

My god, most of the people ITT are the most entitled, snotty, whiny turds, I've ever had the displeasure of reading comments from.

"Waaaah"-ing about stuff in the shop being too expensive. I hope they make gold plated onesies, and make them cost 400$ and I hope someone buys it, and laughs in the face of everyone who wanted a monocle but couldnt afford one (hint: Make isk, buy plex, buy monocle, you dont need real life $$ for this stuff)

But most of all, some developer, writes a provocative theoretical article in a internal newsletter about what in theory could be done with micro-transactions, from a proponent of micro-transactions perspective. And you people have a massive hissy fit over it? Calling for him to be fired and what not? Get a F'ing grip and calm down, you ******s. It's called brainstorming and it's a part of every (good) organizations toolbox for facilitating discussion and creative thinking, it's not like a sinister roadmap for bending players over and scrooing them for every cent they're worth.

Silicon Sailor
Northgate
Posted - 2011.06.24 21:37:00 - [674]
 

Evil or Very MadIf you think the Jeans thing was cute... May I remind you of this:
The Monacle is the price of a battleship
If I take the mass of a real battleship (USS Iowa, picked at random), and sell the iron for scrap, it will cost about $22,543,238.36 Dollars......
If you want to wear $22M Jeans, go for it.....

Look, I, and my bretheren, have had it.

You get the CEO on the line, Or you explain to him why the Flulk his income stream is dropping twds 0 and why a Wall Street Journal reporter keeps calling him, asking for comments on an editorial in the Washington Post entitled "How to comit Corporate Suicide, in 4 easy steps"


Arya Greywolf
Posted - 2011.06.24 21:37:00 - [675]
 

Originally by: Cutter Isaacson

ARE YOU GOING TO BE INTRODUCING NON-VANITY ITEMS INTO THE DAMN NEX STORE OR NOT?




THIS ^ + 2) WE WANT OLD HANGER VIEW BACK WITH CQ "DISEMBARK" BUTTON


Ekon Bor
Amarr
Van Diemen's Demise
Merciless.
Posted - 2011.06.24 21:37:00 - [676]
 

Originally by: boeses frettchen
Originally by: Klebzellok
1/10, this is BS.

And:
Quote:

Are you moving beyond VANITY AUR items?







Failure to deny = Probable success in confirming, I suspect.

Vladimir Ilych
Gradient
Electus Matari
Posted - 2011.06.24 21:37:00 - [677]
 

Thank you for your response. I will avoid the mass hysteria that has consumed some and hope that this message is not buried under ten thousand others.

Sadly your response does not answer (directly) the question which has been repeated ad nauseam. That being "Will CCP sell game play affecting items such as ships and faction ammo through the NeX".

You have effectively said that matter is still being debated and is therefore an unknown. I will take you at your word.

I am not going to un-sub yet because we do not yet have game affecting items being sold for aurum through NeX. The moment this is not the case I will cancel my two accounts.

I am not going to buy anything through the NeX. It does break immersion which is important to me as an RP'er. Translate the prices to market items paid for ISK and it is just stupid. Sorry, but it is. It is not about buying a better "brand" for your character. It is just that the prices make no sense in game terms.

I like CQ and hope it grows into a more impressive feature.

Good luck with WoD and Dust.


Voxix Kastlov
Posted - 2011.06.24 21:37:00 - [678]
 

How dare you address the concerns of thousands of people with smug humour and words which lack any substance after they've waited for days for a proper responce.

I wish your company nothing but misfortune for eternity. May your finances dwindle, your buildings crumble and your tears fall unheeded as all around you withers and sucumbs to the ravages of time. Your empire will fall CCP.

That is all.

Lynx Amurie
Caldari
CRUX CORPORATE ARMADA
Posted - 2011.06.24 21:37:00 - [679]
 

Originally by: CCP Zulu
Hey all. To clarify this blog, its intent was to address two topics and two topics only;

1. What Fearless is and the nature of its content
2. The pricing strategy behind the NeX store

I do realize there are other concerns you have and those will be addressed, but doing it all at the same time would make the messaging tricky and muddled and not allow for a focused discussion. I understand a lot of the frustration going around but if we want to discuss then we need to do so in a constructive and focused manner.

Thanks,
Arnar


The other concerns are the ones responsible for the 200 page threadnarok, don't make excuses. If you want to have a constructive discussion I suggest bringing out more than a sacrificial lamb to be thrown into the pit of fire.

Taram Caldar
Royal Black Watch Highlanders
Warped Aggression
Posted - 2011.06.24 21:37:00 - [680]
 

Originally by: Spacing Cowboy

This response took you 2 days ??



To be honest if you put it in perspective it's a pretty amazing response if you compare it to the patch that took them 5 years....

Walking In Stations/Incarna has been on the table/in development/discussed/planned for 5 years by CCP.

After 5 years of work we got:
A room
A mirror
and a few screens you can click on to open interfaces that already exist in the game, slower than we could open them before.

Mind you, 3D persona interface environments, many of which are equal to, if not superior to, what they just gave us, have been in MMORPG's since 1997.

I mean, when you look at it in comparison to the expansion? I'd say this devblog is pretty damn epic for only 2 days of work :)

Kalen C'Fean
Posted - 2011.06.24 21:37:00 - [681]
 

Well, I was going to do a long, in-depth, point-by-point comment on this dev blog, but the forum post limit won't let me, so I'll restrict myself to two key points:

1) This newsletter is fairly clearly not a selection of 'views and opinions', but a vehicle for justifying and/or selling the concept of microtransactions, and not just for vanity items. As should be abundantly clear by now, this is seriously objected to by the playerbase of Eve.

2) The prices of the items that are currently in the NeX store don't equate to $1000 jeans, as is the analogy given. The 'Sterling' Dress Shirt, for example, is 3600 AUR. 1 Plex converts to 3500 AUR. Plexs, on the market where my character is, range from 370-470m ISK. I can get a Raven battleship, in the region where my character is at, for under 100m. So, actually, if you think of a Raven as decent mid-range car, this shirt is like a pair of jeans that costs more than three times what you paid for your car, which, unless you got one hell of a deal on your car, is much, much more than $1000.

Raster Fain
Posted - 2011.06.24 21:37:00 - [682]
 

Guys can i say just what was this meant to do?

Did you have any form of plan before releasing this?

Was it your hope this might help make things better?

Cause if you did, you'd best think again. All it's done for me is make me think "what the ****?" Did i really read something where you basically said "we'll charge what we like cause we know some of you will pay it to look "cool" and different from other people"?

F**K ME!! but that's the most self centred stupidest thing you could have done. Your fast running out of good will and trust from me, and your in no way convincing me that i should re-sub when my freeloader time runs out.

Hyperforce99
Gallente
The Scope
Posted - 2011.06.24 21:37:00 - [683]
 

That blog post did exactly the opposite of what you should have done.

On the first topic and its response: you swept the problem under the carpet, AGAIN.
The GREED IS GOOD newsletter might have been just for discussions, but the topics discussed are the problem here. Because they are discussing CCP breaking a promise made to the community. By not actually laying these concerns to rest and sidestepping the issue, you have only made them worse.

Incarna launch did NOT go well, perhaps you didn't have much trouble deploying it onto the server, but from a PR and communications perspective its the worst deployment of a patch CCP has ever done.
Pre-deployment there was no clear communication between CCP and its players, features were introduced that we didn't ask for, and much loved features were removed. Overall Incarna adds near to no useful features to the game.

On the second topic, Those monocles are virtual items, eve is a hardcore game, its not a game where you can ask 80 dollars for a useless item and expect people to eat it. The prices are completely over the top. This isn't Second Life, and the EVE community would rather prance rare ships around that they got through proper means, than show off some crappy monocles. If you would have priced the monocles at 5 dollars at the most, people would have bought them in droves. by making them outrageously expensive you've only decapitated your own market before it even got released.

All you've proven with this blog is that CCP DOES NOT LISTEN TO OUR CONCERNS.

Your community is going crazy over this and you need to make some concrete promises RIGHT THE HELL NOW or it will implode on you.

Dimension Secretary
Posted - 2011.06.24 21:37:00 - [684]
 

Well, I think your senior producer is on drugs, what does a 1000$ RL jeans have to do with some faked virtual pixel cloth. a 1000$ jeans might give individuality but not a copyable item in your shop.

It is a pitty you abuse Eve as the testbed for your other developments and your producers just push their own will through. Sadly they forgot where they got their money from.

Compare with other games, clothes are much cheaper. Like: http://www.startrekonline.com/dyncontent/startrek/uploads/jupiter_01.jpg is 3,50 us$ .

But anyway, who needs such things if others can't see it anyway, is just for sitting on the quarters couch then. And yeah i like CQ, but i can only stare to the boring eve tv while my graphic card heats the room. Why don't you just bring an option to make cq optional and have old docked ship view? Guess most wil lswitch CQ off anyway :P

Alpheias
Euphoria Released
HYDRA RELOADED
Posted - 2011.06.24 21:37:00 - [685]
 


Isis Soryu
Caldari
Universitas Interimo Research
Posted - 2011.06.24 21:38:00 - [686]
 

Originally by: CCP Zulu
Hey all. To clarify this blog, its intent was to address two topics and two topics only;

1. What Fearless is and the nature of its content
2. The pricing strategy behind the NeX store

I do realize there are other concerns you have and those will be addressed, but doing it all at the same time would make the messaging tricky and muddled and not allow for a focused discussion. I understand a lot of the frustration going around but if we want to discuss then we need to do so in a constructive and focused manner.

Thanks,
Arnar
Keep spining that web of lies, you might actually keep the sheep that play.

ThunderEyes
Amarr
ClawsAndTeeth
Posted - 2011.06.24 21:38:00 - [687]
 

Originally by: REQUIEMSORN
came expecting a real response with in depth answers to the most valid concerns.........left disappointed.


This. I'm old enough to tell my son & daughter what my father told me when i was small: IF YOU DONT HAVE ANYTHING TO SAY, THEN DONT SAY ANYTHING.

It covers this blogg post pretty well i think.

Otebski
Posted - 2011.06.24 21:38:00 - [688]
 

Please visit your user settings to re-enable images.

english zulu do you speak it?

will you introduce non-vanity MT?

Harpalyce Dynameos
Posted - 2011.06.24 21:38:00 - [689]
 

Quote:
People have been shocked by the price range in the NeX store, but you should remember that we are talking about clothes. Look at the clothes you are currently wearing in real life. Do you have any specific brands? Did you choose it because it was better quality than a no-name brand? Assume for a short while that you are wearing a pair of $1,000 jeans from some exclusive Japanese boutique shop. Why would you want to wear a pair of $1,000 jeans when you can get perfectly similar jeans for under $50? What do other people think about you when they see you wearing them? For some you will look like the sad culmination of vainness while others will admire you and think you are the coolest thing since sliced bread. Whichever it is, it is clear that by wearing clothes you are expressing yourself and that the price is one of the many dimensions that clothes possess to do that in addition to style and fit. You don't need to buy expensive clothes. In fact you don't need to buy any clothes. Whatever you choose to do reflects what you are and what you want others to think you are.


Yeah... I for one am never going to by from the NeX, just like those $1000 Japanese boutique jeans, I see them as ******ed and will never buy them either... But if you really want to **** off the community? WELL IT'S BEING A F#@*!#$ DOUCHE AND SAYING YOU CAN SHOW OFF YOUR BLING! WHICH YOU F*&%##@ CAN'T BECAUSE YOU'RE ALONE IN A F#$!@#$ ROOM WITH NO ONE TO GET JEALOUS OVER YOUR CRAPPY MONOCLE.

Morphisat
Hidden Agenda
Deep Space Engineering
Posted - 2011.06.24 21:38:00 - [690]
 

Originally by: CCP Zulu
Hey all. To clarify this blog, its intent was to address two topics and two topics only;

1. What Fearless is and the nature of its content
2. The pricing strategy behind the NeX store

I do realize there are other concerns you have and those will be addressed, but doing it all at the same time would make the messaging tricky and muddled and not allow for a focused discussion. I understand a lot of the frustration going around but if we want to discuss then we need to do so in a constructive and focused manner.

Thanks,
Arnar


Do the honorable thing and just resign. You have absolutely no clue. Sure go ahead, let this game die and you'll miss the income to further develop your precious dust and whatever the hell that dumb werewolves game is. I predict here and now that both will never see the light of day.


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