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Dr Lebroi
Posted - 2011.06.24 21:22:00 - [451]
 

So let me get this straight, you decided it was a good idea to have a theoretical discussion about whether or not to lie to and exploit your loyal customers. FAIL - no company that loved its loyal customers would even contemplate a discussion like that - good companyies value their customers and customer loyalty over all things. Apart from one notable dissenting voice (the mighty Turbefield) it seems all your other employees and the management were in favour of the shaft. Therefore the resuly of that little excercise was surely that we shoud get the shaft??

I think Mittani is right, whatever you guys have been doing up there in Iceland has utterly divorced you from any concept of right and wrong. If I was an investor I'd be pulling my money now, you appear to be a bunch of drug addled, power crazed lunatics. Your company is heading toward dangerous waters.

HoboWithAShip
They That Are
Posted - 2011.06.24 21:22:00 - [452]
 

Originally by: CCP Manifest
To be frank, I am amazed this page loaded.
Zulu should be along shortly if he's not already here.


He damn well better.

Richtor Mettle
Cryptic Solutions
Posted - 2011.06.24 21:22:00 - [453]
 

This sums up my feelings on the matter.
Such a shame...

Ryas Nia
Minmatar
Veto.
Posted - 2011.06.24 21:22:00 - [454]
 

I dont see... we lied
I dont see... were sorry
I dont see... we wont charge for services and game breaking mechanics

I dont see me playing anymore once my sub has expired. I already canceled, I am just a "freeloading spectator" now.

CyberGh0st
Minmatar
Blue Republic
RvB - BLUE Republic
Posted - 2011.06.24 21:22:00 - [455]
 

CCP, if this devblog is all you have to offer, then this is the way EVE will go :

http://forums.station.sony.com/swg/posts/list.m?topic_id=1220357

Constantinus Maximus
Paxian Expeditionary Force
Posted - 2011.06.24 21:22:00 - [456]
 

Originally by: Larik Olen
'I hope I‘ve addressed your concerns and cleared up a lot of the issues you‘re having'

You didn't. Not a single one. This is simply the most arrogant, useless response you could possibly have come up with.

We will never trust you after this. Never again.


QFT

General Xenophon
Posted - 2011.06.24 21:22:00 - [457]
 

Edited by: General Xenophon on 24/06/2011 21:32:48
Edited by: General Xenophon on 24/06/2011 21:27:37
Originally by: CCP Manifest
CCP Zulu speaks on the Fearless newsletter and Monocles in this dev blog.


-edited angry response post-

You know I think you deserve an angry response here, but since you don't listen to your playerbase anyway it doesn't matter.

Goodbye for now CCP. Maybe when you fix things we'll return. o7 to those of you in CCP who did care not to turn Eve into a failboat.

Dorian Wylde
Posted - 2011.06.24 21:22:00 - [458]
 

Originally by: Yldrad
Edited by: Yldrad on 24/06/2011 21:06:44
Edited by: Yldrad on 24/06/2011 21:01:36
Edited by: Yldrad on 24/06/2011 21:00:21
Edited by: Yldrad on 24/06/2011 20:57:01
Damned !

This DevBlog is pointless. Shocked

Quote:
I hope I‘ve addressed your concerns and cleared up a lot of the issues you‘re having.
No. In what alternative world are you living?

Real life comparaison is wrong at so many level...


Actually its a perfect comparison. It's money, regardless of what form it takes. The comparison is fine.

The only thing I'm upset about with this, is that he didn't address the issue of incarna being forced, rather than optional like they've said for 4 years.

Addrake
Minmatar
Origin.
Black Legion.
Posted - 2011.06.24 21:23:00 - [459]
 

Guy wearing a 3 dollar Wal-Mart T-shirt checking in..

I don't give two ****s about expensive NeX vanity items, I care if it's going to give people an in game advantage/take actual players out of the item production cycle. There should be NO DEBATE about MT items that give a player an in game advantage.. you PROMISED us ages ago that this would not be inserted into the game.. and yet you debate it quietly behind closed doors, willing to say 'screw you' to the people who kept their subs active despite the talk of MT bull**** a year ago.

You sir, and your company, are one classy act.

Lilith Velkor
Minmatar
Heretic Army
B A N E
Posted - 2011.06.24 21:23:00 - [460]
 

Quote:
I hope I‘ve addressed your concerns and cleared up a lot of the issues you‘re having.


I am afraid you did not.

Speaking for myself, I am largely enjoying the recent expansion. The new turrets are awesome, and while the CQ do not offer much right now I like that it adds to the immersion, it has great potential.

I do not personally care about the NeX shop, I dont really oppose it but agree with many that the price structure is a bit steep. You have addressed this point, and while I dont really agree with your view that is good enough explanation for me. Possibly adding cheaper items at some point, fair enough.

However:

The one thing that really does worry me has not been addressed at all. It is the same question that has been posted all over this huge threadnaught in GD, in giant yellow letters:

Will there be MT for anything else than vanity items, specifically for anything that does impact actual gameplay?

This is the one question the community really needed you to answer, everything else (and I think most of my fellow players agree here) we can live with.

Frankly, the lack of even the slightest hint of a comment on this does worry me a lot.

PsyBlade
Caldari
Havoc Violence and Chaos
Merciless.
Posted - 2011.06.24 21:23:00 - [461]
 

Quote:
launch of incarna BS


Sorry, most of us don't want just one CQ, should have gotten us more then just a minnie CQ. Yeah it went smooth, with gd knows how much delay that screwed us EU players over. Sorry, there are smoother launches.

Quote:
Fearless
CCP Zulu talks about fearless and more BS...


The fact something like this has leaked should already make you wonder about how your own employees think or feel, no disrespect to them. Also the moment it was leaked forum threads started to pop up and yet you hardly responded and actually had to call Pann and have her make a parley post, days after it was posted. This is something that cannot happen or be done and you and the rest of the crew should be ashamed it has come to this.

It's uncalled for for any company to keep their memberbase in the dark this long or wait for so long with a response. Even tho alot of eve players hate the Blizzard and their themepark MMO, they are more forthcoming then CCP.

Don't keep your fanbase in the dark, you are losing subs most likely because of all of this and you can only blame yourself for it, lack of communication...

Quote:
CCP Zulu talks about NEX Pricing and claiming we should compare it to IRL prices...


You are sorely mistaken, you think it's okay to go for a $60 monocle and compare it to real life? are you this far removed from reality? sorry to say it but you need to rethink your pricing structure (and maybe talk to some other companies who are doing the same, NCSoft, Blizzard to name a few. They are doing vanity items for a cheaper price and altough still maybe expensive it's working for them.

$60 for a Monocle, never in my life will I pay for it, be it by isk, Aurum or normal cash, never!

Rethink it, asap.

Rutkov
Caldari
Cowboys and Beach Bums
Posted - 2011.06.24 21:23:00 - [462]
 

Wow, what an incredibly well crafted blog. Sadly, it does nothing for me.

After reading that newsletter, it became perfectly clear what your intentions are. I spend plenty of RM buying plex so I can purchase something in game quicker than having to grind away to earn the isk... which I do as well.

But now it's obvious why you did something like take away my ability to store my fittings on my computer. You wanted me to pay you MORE for that privilege. That's the difference in my eyes. I don't HAVE to buy plex to achieve the objectives I want to in EVE. I choose to sometimes. You are going to try and FORCE me to buy more space so I can store my 200+ fittings.

I think I'll ride ouy my remaining annual subscription then call it done. I also just bought a PS3 last week so I'd be ready for Dust. What a waste.

And dont use the word ****STORM when posting a blog I'm going to read. I dont speak to you that way.

Prados
Posted - 2011.06.24 21:23:00 - [463]
 

Without a doubt my following point has been made by countless others. Nonetheless, as a person with three active accounts, a beta participant and someone who regularly espouses to other gamers (and non-gamers for that matter) about the EvE sandbox, in particular the complex economy, I am sad to say that this blog missed the key issue entirely.

I understand the hyperbole inherent to a document such as "Fearless" and applaud the approach as a method to examine an issue from all sides. I also know that in the past CCP has stated that they do not want players to be able to buy win. CCP also touts the player run economy as a major selling point. These are the issues I see as crucial to the way forward.

However, you failed to reassure your player / customer base that these remain tenants to which CCP is committed. I believe that if you can provide such assurance this shall close the matter. If you cannot provide such assurance, then the rage, protests, etc. will likely continue.

Turkatron
United Mining And Distribution
Posted - 2011.06.24 21:23:00 - [464]
 

Edited by: Turkatron on 24/06/2011 21:27:44
Many others have already responded to the utter bull**** in this blog. So I will just make one comment.

"The opinions and views expressed in Fearless are just that; opinions and views."
This is such bull**** CCP Zulu and you know it. If these were just opinions then you would not be towing the party line by making comments like this:

"Look at the clothes you are currently wearing in real life. Do you have any specific brands? Did you choose it because it was better quality than a no-name brand? Assume for a short while that you are wearing a pair of $1,000 jeans from some exclusive Japanese boutique shop. Why would you want to wear a pair of $1,000 jeans when you can get perfectly similar jeans for under $50? What do other people think about you when they see you wearing them? For some you will look like the sad culmination of vainness while others will admire you and think you are the coolest thing since sliced bread. Whichever it is, it is clear that by wearing clothes you are expressing yourself and that the price is one of the many dimensions that clothes possess to do that in addition to style and fit."

This statement is a reiteration of the delusional ideas in the "Fearless" newsletter talking about consumerism. Everything you people say suggests that the newsletter is an accurate portrail of CCP's new direction and not opinions that people were paid to make. Keep lieing through your teeth and see where it gets you.

Xelest Czeres
Caldari
Helix Protocol
Posted - 2011.06.24 21:23:00 - [465]
 

...wut

dreynerex
Posted - 2011.06.24 21:23:00 - [466]
 

To be fair the dev blog is worst insult you could have typed down to your comunity.
1Your expansion wasnt smooth and its extremely problematic
2You compare real life clothes/items with ingame ones price wise?Shows how greedy CCP is,arent 300k subscriptions enough for you?
3You lost touch with what you promised when EVE was released bout 8 years ago(Space simulator not Sims Online)Evil or Very Mad

Austherus Sialomaet
Amarr
Viziam
Posted - 2011.06.24 21:23:00 - [467]
 

Wow...this blog is completely worthless...

You guys really think so high of yourselves?

I think its time to unsubscribe my accounts...

CCP is doomed.

Darksiri Onzo
Posted - 2011.06.24 21:23:00 - [468]
 

A wild CCP appears.

CCP uses Pay2Win.

Pay2Win was ineffective.

Playerbase uses CancelSubscription.

CancelSubscription was SUPER EFFECTIVE!

Janus Talmash
Talmash Imports and Exports Group
Posted - 2011.06.24 21:23:00 - [469]
 

Quote:
which by the way is one of our more smooth and successful expansions.
You gotta be joking! And even if technically true that's nothing more than stating "I have syphilis, the best of the venereal diseases!".


Quote:
Fearless is one of our company values. It‘s also the name of an internal newsletter that has been designed and developed specifically to catalyze discussions on controversial topics.

...

They are not CCP policy nor are they a reliable source of CCP views as a company.

Not in a million years do I believe that, if the lead designer has his sights set on MT that means it's going to happen because he wants it in or it's his view because the guys from upstairs told him that. Otherwise he's stayed quiet, so not for one second am I going to believe your "it was all exaggerated nonsense, honest!".

Apart from that, the FACT that a designer (lead designer no less) has these ridiculous ideas shows that he has no connection or understanding of what EVE really IS. He has lied to us and made us believe he's one of us... he's not, he's Judas.

Quote:
While it‘s perfectly fine to disagree and attack CCP over policies or actions we take, we think it‘s not cool how individuals that work here have been called out and dragged through the mud due to something they wrote in the internal company newsletter


If they are personal attacks then I agree to that, but they're not (for the most part). We are reacting to his professional opinions based on the fact that he is the lead designer meaning that we have to conclude that it's is already company policy or it's going to BE policy fairly soon. Otherwise he wouldn't voice (or even have) these ideas.

Quote:
Pricing structure

Blahblahblahblah


No, utter nonsense. No one is buying it (literally).


Quote:
I hope I‘ve addressed your concerns and cleared up a lot of the issues you‘re having


Again, no. No one is buying that either. What we want from you is clarity, for once be open and honest (I know it's difficult). ARE INGAME ADVANTAGES FOR MONEY GOING TO HAPPEN IN THE NEXT 24 MONTHS YES OR NO. It's not really difficult now is it?



Spacing Cowboy
Caldari
Rule of Five
Vera Cruz Alliance
Posted - 2011.06.24 21:23:00 - [470]
 

This will not end well...


CCP Zulu , you proberly intend well.. but you failed horrible,
This response took you 2 days ??






Madcapnl
The Rising Stars
The Volition Cult
Posted - 2011.06.24 21:23:00 - [471]
 

Hmm, succesful expansion? --> play your own game CCP (not directed at any person in particular, because that will hurt their feelingsCrying or Very sad)

Hmm, gorgeous? --> for 2006 graphics yes, look at your own game CCP (not directed at any person in particular, because that will hurt their feelingsCrying or Very sad)

Hmm, fearless? --> totally agree there, it takes balls to release a crappy dev blog like this while Eve is on fire (not directed at any person in particular, because that will hurt their feelingsCrying or Very sad)

Hmm, it's just opinions --> yes, the problem is the opinions we loath are implemented in Eve by CCP (not directed at any person in particular, because that will hurt their feelingsCrying or Very sad)

Hmm, pricing structure --> are you for real CCP? Lost for words here if people at CCP actually think that to be true. (not directed at any person in particular, because that will hurt their feelingsCrying or Very sad)

Hmm, addressing issues --> maybe log into your own game and read local in trade hubs, CCP? Most lines are something along the lines of "NO MT CCP" and lo and behold, thats the issue NOT addressed in this devblog. (not directed at any person in particular, because that will hurt thier feelingsCrying or Very sad)

** no CCP employees were hurt or attacked personally or professionally during the making of this post

Skopia
Gallente
Posted - 2011.06.24 21:23:00 - [472]
 

Here is what I got from the blog.

1)CCP likes the prices of the currently vanity items. In order for these items to be unique there must be high prices.

My response: There too high of a price even for unique items that are unique because there expensive. You have your prices set too high even too high for something that is intentionally too high.

2) The article is opinion and shouldn't been seen as representing ccp future plans.

My response: You didn't say yes or no to the concern of items being released which are more than vanity items.


So in short the current clothes prices are here to stay because we want them to be unique however there too high for items which are purposely set high so they are unique. Secondly the response to concerns about the article did not answer the major question "Are there going to be performance enhancing items which can be purchased threw real money with that being the only requirement". It seems to the me the response to the fearless article was purely damage control and circumvented questions.

Aedeal
Posted - 2011.06.24 21:23:00 - [473]
 

RMT on non game-affecting items, fine by me. Captain's quarters - EPIC work, but really should be an optional feature.

Ok, the cost on the items is WTF??? Especially on a destructable item, but that's not my decision and I don't plan on taking part.

What *I* for sure want is a statement, from CCP, regarding their future intent regarding game-affecting items and the NeX. And I want something CCP can be held to.

Palovana
Caldari
Inner Fire Inc.
Posted - 2011.06.24 21:23:00 - [474]
 

Originally by: Mamayev Kurgan
You're kidding ... .48 hours for this?!?!

My god CCP is massively out of touch with what has been happening.

CCP Fails .. AGAIN!

48 hours to write that?

I could have chiseled the same words into a stone tablet in that amount of time.

Coincidentally that is the only way those words could carry any weight with me - the weight of the stone tablet itself. The words are utter garbage.

Mr Plack
Posted - 2011.06.24 21:23:00 - [475]
 

Edited by: Mr Plack on 24/06/2011 21:32:51
Ok, I'll really try and contain my rage... In truth I'm about ready to scream and tear up a few telephone books... Evil or Very Mad

Dear Zulu,

Thanks for the Dev Blog. We have all been waiting and were very interested to see what you'd come up with.

I'm sorry to say that you have, once again, fallen way short of my expectations.

In essence your blog is telling me two thing:

a) You do not in any way shape or form distance yourself from the idea of selling game changing items/services for RL money in the future. This is one of our main concerns and quite frankly was the reason I cancelled my subscriptions until you give us a clear answer on this.

b) You think the prices in the store are fine and we're all just whiners. "You spend 1000$ on a pair of pants in real life so why not 70$ on a monocle in EVE?" ... That is basically what you're saying isn't it? And you don't stop there, you even admit that you'll be offering even more insanely overpriced items in the future.

It's like the company I always trusted and respected suddenly was replaced over night... Neutral

And all you would have had to do to avert this disaster would have been to listen to the people that have been supporting you for the past 6, 7, 8 years instead of listening to whoever is coming up with these brilliant ideas.

A profoundly sad,
Mr Plack

PS. A short word on us attacking your employees:

I admit that I may have been overly harsh here and there and for that I am truly sorry. It's just that this game means so much to me (probably more then I'd care to admit hehe) and I am seriously worried about it due to the changes that were leaked and you now in no way denied. Anyway, just because someone is "doing their job" does not mean that I'm comfortable with them being in important positions when they are in truth harboring such fundamentally harmful ideas and visions for the game that I love. In my opinion they did not "get it" and don't belong in said positions.

arcyaxiom
Posted - 2011.06.24 21:23:00 - [476]
 

This devblog was a blatant insult .. I can't believe how ****ing insane you guys are. What happened to you CCP? That's four accounts from me you wont see a penny from in future with **** like this going on.

Ishtanchuk Fazmarai
Amarr
Posted - 2011.06.24 21:23:00 - [477]
 

Summary:

- We are being sooo unfair with poor lil' CCP employees after learning they were asked to discuss how to spoil the game
- Everything is sooo OK with the prices at NEx that nothing is going to be done with them

And that's all. Nothing will be done because everything is A-OK.

I am feeling scammed. I have paid for the development of some silly clothes, now I can't use them without resourcing to ilegal means of gathering ISK as, being serious, I will not grind missions for 2 months to get a skirt, a blouse and a pair of boots. No way.

And I just paid for 6 months of subscription of my alt account last May...

I can't express my feelings in English.

Lo habéis jodido, tíos. Lo habéis jodido bien jodido. Crying or Very sadCrying or Very sadCrying or Very sadCrying or Very sadCrying or Very sadCrying or Very sad

SlayerOfArgus
Gallente
Hermes Enterprises
Posted - 2011.06.24 21:23:00 - [478]
 

Edited by: SlayerOfArgus on 24/06/2011 21:27:21
This was probably one of the most pointless blogs ever!
No pertinent issues were discussed in the slightest.

You cannot compare real life clothing prices to pixel prices. It's idiotic. The prices are ridiculous at the moment and you can't honestly expect enough people to buy it right now. It would have been better if you made prices for them to be about 1$ for a monocle, 2$ for a repaint of a ship. Prices like that are much more normal and you would reap a lot more benefit from it because people WOULD ACTUALLY BUY THEM.

If you want to go ahead and say that they were making up stuff and thinking in extremes because that is their job then they need to be doing a different job. That sort of thinking only leads to people possibly getting the wrong message.

Why have you lied to us? Multiple times in the past you have said there was no plan for MT for non-vanity and yet many people have "floated" the idea around. That is unacceptable.


This devblog seems to be a huge "**** you". Well many people are quitting, myself included. You are losing customers by the minute. And yes they may come back but this moment is a fork in the road for you CCP. You must decide what you care about. Money or your customers (customers who have been with you for years, and have dealt with a lot of **** with you).

Tatiana Valenko
Posted - 2011.06.24 21:23:00 - [479]
 

CCP Zulu based on that fail blog i have decided not to renew my 2 accounts when their game times expire.

Your blog utterly failed and my decision to stop playing EVE is upon your shoulders, hope your boss read this!

Bob TheSecond
Amarr
Posted - 2011.06.24 21:24:00 - [480]
 

Still missed the real issue I'm concerned about. Will "pay to win" items be sold in the NeX store? ie. Faction Standings, faction modules/ammo/ships etc.

Yes, I understand the point of the newsletter was spitballing ideas and starting discussions, however the issue of "pay to win" items has still not been addressed.


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