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Johnson 1044
Posted - 2011.06.24 20:07:00 - [31]
 

I'm not usually one to complain as I like the game very much and I believe the CQ is the start of something very interesting. The vanity items seem a bit silly to me but it's something I can ignore so no big deal.

However, real money for skill points or standing increases etc will ruin this game.

Sarina Berghil
Minmatar
New Zion Judge Advocate
Yulai Federation
Posted - 2011.06.24 20:07:00 - [32]
 

Originally by: Natsett Amuinn
Originally by: moneykeeper

For the sake of argument imagine you go into a burger restaurant and order a meal. But when it arrives the guy at the counter tells you they charge a dollar fifty extra to have salt on your freedom fries. Would you feel like this is a good thing?


Or for the sake of being absurd and trying to make mountains out of mole hills, which is what the magority of people are doing, well use a completely ******ed anaology that doesn't have any bearing, or even reomotely reflect the true state of things.


There's a severe shortage of common sense and logic on these forums. The only thing this "community" is acheiving is proving people wrong, EVE is not the game that mature, intelligent, people play. It's a game that self centered, pampered brats play.




Its a game that a lot of different people play. But if you are looking for the lowest common denominator, you will find that it is exactly the same as in the rest of the world, mob mentality.

However before this mob mentality happened people kept cool for a long time, expecting that the lack of development was a phase, that the feedback was considered and that CCP made somewhat sensible decisions. Being proven wrong about this after several years understandably made many players angry.

Haran Tyrus
Posted - 2011.06.24 20:08:00 - [33]
 

Edited by: Haran Tyrus on 24/06/2011 20:11:01
Originally by: moneykeeper
Originally by: Tarkadahl
Originally by: PyroPaul
The key argument behind the 'protests' is the idea of being able to buy your way to success rather then working towards it. throw down a credit card number and you can have the Cash, Ships, Fits, Skills, and Standing to jump into a Titan on your first day...

this will hurt the in game market as well, because assets will cap out at a specific value rather then being variable based on supply, demand, and convinence.


So in essence, a lot of this melodrama is based on fear of the unknown. Rather than anger at what HAS happened in reality.

In short, people jumping to wild conclusions and making assumptions based on material being used for discussion.

If you took the whole MT issue out of the equation, then people would just look upon the rest of the issues as niggles that may be dealt with over time.


Yeah, it has nothing to do with changing the terms and conditions half way through a contract or with being nickle and dimed. We are all just afraid of change.




Who is being nickel and dimed? I pay the same for the sub as I ever have, and I haven't seen any indication that the subscription price will go up. The market is as stable as it ever has been, so no problems there. I don't want any of the items in the NEX store, and even if I did I can afford them with ISK if I wanted them so it doesn't cost me anything there...

I don't see how anything is costing more than it ever has.


Originally by: Johnson 1044
I'm not usually one to complain as I like the game very much and I believe the CQ is the start of something very interesting. The vanity items seem a bit silly to me but it's something I can ignore so no big deal.

However, real money for skill points or standing increases etc will ruin this game.


I agree, but there is no indication that is going to happen. The problem is that CCP isn't doing a very good job of convincing everyone that it will not happen, and it's made worse by this whole "riot" thing.

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moneykeeper
Posted - 2011.06.24 20:08:00 - [34]
 

Originally by: VKhaun Vex
Originally by: PyroPaul
The key argument behind the 'protests' is the idea of being able to buy your way to success rather then working towards it. throw down a credit card number and you can have the Cash, Ships, Fits, Skills, and Standing to jump into a Titan on your first day...

this will hurt the in game market as well, because assets will cap out at a specific value rather then being variable based on supply, demand, and convinence.


Nonsense. My friend joined on a buddy key, I bought a double plex for $34 instead of getting a $50 game and dividing my time. I sold them all for ISK. I'm doing level one missions in a rigged Phantasm with hundreds of millions left and you're telling me cash shop will be bad because NOW you can buy ships and fits? LOL

You already can and it's a good thing, because people can buy PLEX with in-game currency to keep playing for free. This arrangement is old and positive in my opinion.



EVE has a ceiling on abilities in game. A ship's fitting requirements. You can spend a ton of isk to milk out another few % or barely fit something with faction mods, but once you go to group warfare and tactics even that's obviously out the window. T2's require training time, and that's not going away.

You'd have to assume they're going to put in stronger items in exchange for cash, NOTHING LESS, to say this will reach out to combat.




You'd have to assume they're going to put in something to give skill points to ever affect player time... and that is unfortunately more reasonable given the examples posted and described.





Yeah, this is how new players sound. CCP employees sound completely different.Rolling Eyes

Malice Redeemer
Posted - 2011.06.24 20:08:00 - [35]
 

Originally by: Ruze Ahkor'Murkon
Originally by: Tarkadahl
Edited by: Tarkadahl on 24/06/2011 20:02:59
Originally by: PyroPaul
The key argument behind the 'protests' is the idea of being able to buy your way to success rather then working towards it. throw down a credit card number and you can have the Cash, Ships, Fits, Skills, and Standing to jump into a Titan on your first day...

this will hurt the in game market as well, because assets will cap out at a specific value rather then being variable based on supply, demand, and convinence.


So in essence, a lot of this melodrama is based on fear of the unknown. Rather than anger at what HAS happened in reality.

If you took the whole MT issue out of the equation, then people would probably just look upon the rest of the issues as niggles that may be dealt with over time.

In short, this whole "riot" is being caused by people jumping to wild conclusions and making assumptions based on material being used for discussion.


Most are just caught up in the drama. Yell, scream, throw stones ... who REALLY cares what it's about? The few ringleaders, and they're more interested in the rush of having followers.

As an individual, humans are incredibly intelligent. As a mob, we're the dumbest species on the planet.


I'm ****ed they took away the old hanger view, not because other people are mad, pull your head out of where ever you have it buried

Ruze Ahkor'Murkon
Amarr
No Applicable Corporation
Posted - 2011.06.24 20:12:00 - [36]
 

Originally by: Malice Redeemer
Originally by: Ruze Ahkor'Murkon
Originally by: Tarkadahl
Edited by: Tarkadahl on 24/06/2011 20:02:59
Originally by: PyroPaul
The key argument behind the 'protests' is the idea of being able to buy your way to success rather then working towards it. throw down a credit card number and you can have the Cash, Ships, Fits, Skills, and Standing to jump into a Titan on your first day...

this will hurt the in game market as well, because assets will cap out at a specific value rather then being variable based on supply, demand, and convinence.


So in essence, a lot of this melodrama is based on fear of the unknown. Rather than anger at what HAS happened in reality.

If you took the whole MT issue out of the equation, then people would probably just look upon the rest of the issues as niggles that may be dealt with over time.

In short, this whole "riot" is being caused by people jumping to wild conclusions and making assumptions based on material being used for discussion.


Most are just caught up in the drama. Yell, scream, throw stones ... who REALLY cares what it's about? The few ringleaders, and they're more interested in the rush of having followers.

As an individual, humans are incredibly intelligent. As a mob, we're the dumbest species on the planet.


I'm ****ed they took away the old hanger view, not because other people are mad, pull your head out of where ever you have it buried


You mean to tell me that you are actually, physically upset because of a graphical modification?

I mean, I want it back, sure. But ****ed? Really?

THIS. IS. NOT. REAL.

Haran Tyrus
Posted - 2011.06.24 20:13:00 - [37]
 

Originally by: Malice Redeemer

I'm ****ed they took away the old hanger view, not because other people are mad, pull your head out of where ever you have it buried


Oh yea, because the hangar view was SOOOO AWESOME!!!11!!!11

The game is working at getting better, get over it.

Hillside Strangler
Posted - 2011.06.24 20:14:00 - [38]
 

Nerd Rage. It manifests in the form of non-stop whining on MMO forums after years of self-imposed celibacy

VKhaun Vex
Posted - 2011.06.24 20:18:00 - [39]
 

Got my answers from the quick and calm first replies.
Thanks for those.

Not going to keep following the thread through the ranting, raging and CCP alt paranoia.

Tarkadahl
Minmatar
Albatross Inc.
Posted - 2011.06.24 20:20:00 - [40]
 

Edited by: Tarkadahl on 24/06/2011 20:22:30
Originally by: moneykeeper
Yeah, it has nothing to do with changing the terms and conditions half way through a contract or with being nickle and dimed. We are all just afraid of change.


How exactly are you being "nickel and dimed" when the cost of the costs of the items for sale are a well known fact. The choice is yours as to whether or not you buy them. No one is forcing you.

I'd suggest you read the Terms and Conditions before you make such claims.
Especially the bit that every MMO T&C document usually says about how the developers are well within their rights to make changes to the game as they see fit.

I'm willing to bet that said document EVEN says that CCP make no promises about an uninterrupted service. In other words, they could shut the servers down whenever they chose and there's nothing you can do about it.

I'm all for voicing your concerns in a mature and civilised manner, but there is such a thing as over-reacting.

Natsett Amuinn
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
Posted - 2011.06.24 20:24:00 - [41]
 

Originally by: Hillside Strangler
Nerd Rage. It manifests in the form of non-stop whining on MMO forums after years of self-imposed celibacy

Oh please!
There is NOTHING self imposed about the magority of these peoples celibacy. You expect us to beleive these nerd ragers CHOOSE celibacy. No sir, it's forced upon them, for very good reasons. Someone wasn't smart enough to get an abortion, plane and simple. The only way to prevent stupid from continuing to breed, is to deny them sex.

It's simply nature.
LARPers, and internet nerd ragers don't have sex because no one wants to sleep with them. And the rest of us are responsible for making sure nature runs it's course.

Jin Letes
Posted - 2011.06.24 20:34:00 - [42]
 

Eve is an awesome game where the players are able to determine both the supply and demand side of the market. You can't buy what hasn't been built. For example, if there are only 500 titans out there, then if you blew up all 500. The game would have no more titans until the next one is constructed which does take a considerable amount of time.......

Oh wait... NVM.


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