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Val'Dore
Word Bearers of Chaos
Word of Chaos Undivided
Posted - 2011.06.26 04:46:00 - [151]
 

Originally by: Lord Aldaris
401K


Get a better retirement plan, or you won't have a retirement at all.

San Severina
Minmatar
Posted - 2011.06.26 04:46:00 - [152]
 

Originally by: Obsidian Hawk
Fallout we love you and know you are trying to do a good job amongst all the pitchforks and rages.

it comes down to 3 things.


1. Where was the option for incarna ccp talked about. its either CQ or a picture of a door, which is minscontrued of showing players 'the door'.

Can we not compromise with cq for those who want it and can use it, and ship spinning for others?.

2. The leaked memo and the statement that Ammo, implants, ships, boosters, sp and others stuff WHICH would would make huge gameplay changes needs to be addressed.

IF ANY OF THOSE ITEMS GO ON THE MARKET EVER, the community has stated it will walk. The community needs a statement from Hillmar himself stating That this will never happen. that the NeX store will be vanity only and nothing else.

3. A promise form ccp devs, that they will be more transparent with the csm and the community NO MORE NDA. It our game as much as it is yours, unless we all work together for a common goal of the best sci-fi simulator ever then we will fall apart.



we love this game, we dont want to see it die, most of us have no where to go any everything else is too carebearish out there.

So please just answer the big questions, and put in that fix. We dont want to see game changing items every being sold for money.


jesus christ hawky, you really think they give a flyin fvck?

grow up dude.

Grom Starscream
Gallente
Whistle While You Warp
Posted - 2011.06.26 05:05:00 - [153]
 

Originally by: CCP Fallout
No, ponies and war declarations are a waste of time. What I should be doing now is gathering your feedback and spreading this on throughout the company. This is what you guys pay me to do. Instead, I'm removing pony pictures from the forums.

Please do not misconstrue or take what I said out of context. Doing so will continue to cause strife amongst the community, unfortunately.


The company you work for lying to us is what is causing strife amongst this community. Your CEO sending out an e-mail calling our feedback "noise" is what is causing strife amongst the community. CCP Zulu lying (either in November or yesterday) is what is causing strife amongst this community.

Ponies aren't harmful at all, so far as I can tell.

Rocom
Brotherhood of Heart and Steel
Iron Heart Brotherhood
Posted - 2011.06.26 05:20:00 - [154]
 

Originally by: San Severina
Originally by: Obsidian Hawk
Fallout we love you and know you are trying to do a good job amongst all the pitchforks and rages.

it comes down to 3 things.


1. Where was the option for incarna ccp talked about. its either CQ or a picture of a door, which is minscontrued of showing players 'the door'.

Can we not compromise with cq for those who want it and can use it, and ship spinning for others?.

2. The leaked memo and the statement that Ammo, implants, ships, boosters, sp and others stuff WHICH would would make huge gameplay changes needs to be addressed.

IF ANY OF THOSE ITEMS GO ON THE MARKET EVER, the community has stated it will walk. The community needs a statement from Hillmar himself stating That this will never happen. that the NeX store will be vanity only and nothing else.

3. A promise form ccp devs, that they will be more transparent with the csm and the community NO MORE NDA. It our game as much as it is yours, unless we all work together for a common goal of the best sci-fi simulator ever then we will fall apart.



we love this game, we dont want to see it die, most of us have no where to go any everything else is too carebearish out there.

So please just answer the big questions, and put in that fix. We dont want to see game changing items every being sold for money.


jesus christ hawky, you really think they give a flyin fvck?

grow up dude.


Thank u for ur excellent contribution SeverinaRolling Eyes

Please CCP, if it takes mass canceling of accounts to turn u away from the path ur walking, we will certaintly try. We may or may not succeed, in the end the decision is urs. At this point, it wont be a matter of how much u will gain, but how much u will lose.

Birdy Cephon
Caldari
State War Academy
Posted - 2011.06.26 05:22:00 - [155]
 

Originally by: CCP Fallout
No, ponies and war declarations are a waste of time. What I should be doing now is gathering your feedback and spreading this on throughout the company. This is what you guys pay me to do. Instead, I'm removing pony pictures from the forums.

Please do not misconstrue or take what I said out of context. Doing so will continue to cause strife amongst the community, unfortunately.

Woah there, no dogging on the Ponies! Shocked

cpu939
Gallente
Volatile Nature
White Noise.
Posted - 2011.06.26 05:27:00 - [156]
 

Originally by: CCP Fallout
Originally by: Lord Aldaris
Originally by: CCP Fallout
No, ponies and war declarations are a waste of time. What I should be doing now is gathering your feedback and spreading this on throughout the company. This is what you guys pay me to do. Instead, I'm removing pony pictures from the forums.

Please do not misconstrue or take what I said out of context. Doing so will continue to cause strife amongst the community, unfortunately.


so you guys are spending your time reading war dec posts on GD instead of responding to the single thread with 500,000 views? you have the ability to stop all this nonsense right now by answering one question:

WILL AUR GO BEYOND VANITY ITEMS??



The fact that your current repsponse to this single issue consist of failed redirection and silence only aggrivate the situation.

JUST ANSWER THE QUESTION!!




This is not a question that I can answer as I am neither familiar with work in this particular feature, nor am a member of the team working on it. Our corporate policy is that we can only talk about that which we work on.


I think this is the problem, from how I see it there are barriers in communication due to corporate policy as I see it this could be sorted by ccp by giving staff on the community team powers to ask, get answers and then post them to the community. ccp fallout, do you think there is any way we the players could help get these powers in-place

Kraxalious
Posted - 2011.06.26 07:32:00 - [157]
 

Originally by: Flesh Slurper:

Very disappointing. So we already pay you a fee per month for this game and its features, and now you want us to pay you again on top of that.

Not to mention that clothes will cost more than a whole ship. If an article of clothing costs more isk than even an executioner it will be laughable at best.

And for those who think that it will give more $ to develop the things in eve we have been wanting think again. The $ will only fund devs to make more of this utter crap instead of fixing / adding core features to the game. Why should they update and add things for "free" when they can **** you for more cash by making clothes with their time. This is already evident with the last updates. Nerf this, screw that, bunch of updates with little thought or effort put into them, while their devs are spending time proudly making clothes to sell.

If they really wanted to make clothes a great system, they would make a way to manufacture them with patterns, PI textiles, dyes, etc. The same with painting your ship - paints could be manufactured, industrialists could paint ships, etc. Instead were left with disappointment.

Aelius
Caldari
Mnemonic Enterprises
Dark Matter Coalition
Posted - 2011.06.26 07:39:00 - [158]
 

Originally by: CCP Fallout

Please do not misconstrue or take what I said out of context. Doing so will continue to cause strife amongst the community, unfortunately.

Yeah the community is "strifed" about what you say putted out of context... DOH

IskPlease
Posted - 2011.06.26 07:47:00 - [159]
 

Looks like CCP Fallout's bosses didn't even read his summary on the threadnaught issues if you look at Zulupants' spin-blog and the total lack of any clear answers.

Seems his time has the same value to them as the community's opinion.

Valei Khurelem
Posted - 2011.06.26 07:56:00 - [160]
 

Originally by: CCP Fallout
Originally by: Lord Aldaris
Originally by: CCP Fallout
No, ponies and war declarations are a waste of time. What I should be doing now is gathering your feedback and spreading this on throughout the company. This is what you guys pay me to do. Instead, I'm removing pony pictures from the forums.

Please do not misconstrue or take what I said out of context. Doing so will continue to cause strife amongst the community, unfortunately.


so you guys are spending your time reading war dec posts on GD instead of responding to the single thread with 500,000 views? you have the ability to stop all this nonsense right now by answering one question:

WILL AUR GO BEYOND VANITY ITEMS??



The fact that your current repsponse to this single issue consist of failed redirection and silence only aggrivate the situation.

JUST ANSWER THE QUESTION!!




This is not a question that I can answer as I am neither familiar with work in this particular feature, nor am a member of the team working on it. Our corporate policy is that we can only talk about that which we work on.


Go **** yourself

I for one am actually losing patience and I only just bought PLEX for this game recently, unless you are somehow claiming that CCP are hard at work fixing the problems that have been helpfully highlighted to you in this thread then as someone who is supposed to be working with us you should be at their offices now and beating them over the head with a copy of Star Wars Galaxies until they get the message.

It amazes me how you think you can get away with behaving in such a manner and yet think you will still have your job by the end of the year, if you cared at all about what was going on then you would be able to see an extremely bad business decision if it was made.

Ben Derindar
Dirty Deeds Corp.
Posted - 2011.06.26 08:01:00 - [161]
 

Originally by: CCP Fallout
One of the brightest aspects of my job is directly interacting with you guys. When you are angry, I take note of this. I listen. When you like things, I listen and take note of that too. My whole day revolves around you guys.

That's great. Excellent™, even.

It's just a shame the same thing can't be said about your superiors.

Gordon Hellbender
Posted - 2011.06.26 08:07:00 - [162]
 

Originally by: CCP Fallout

This is not a question that I can answer as I am neither familiar with work in this particular feature, nor am a member of the team working on it. Our corporate policy is that we can only talk about that which we work on.


You've probably heard some rumors, or some snippets in the hallways about what is going on. I doubt you're completely ignorant about what goes on within the company.

However, we can understand that you've been told to keep things quiet in order to prevent a further outburst and fallout.

Uglavitch Nefrex
Minmatar
Republic Military School
Posted - 2011.06.26 08:11:00 - [163]
 

What I love is Fallout's job is to hand out our feedback. Couldn't he just direct their appropriate person to the forums and say you need to read this ****. Rather than stalling for time saying "omg the ponies..". Get over yourself. Tell us what we want to know. Will MT's affect gameplay!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

TimeToTank
Posted - 2011.06.26 08:21:00 - [164]
 

CCP Fallout

If you are unable to comment on the current main question of the ENTIRE forums, do you have the power vested in you to bring the person in question to a computer so that they may post on the forums.

Not Scouting
Posted - 2011.06.26 09:22:00 - [165]
 

**** cpp

Rage Spear
Minmatar
Republic Military School
Posted - 2011.06.26 09:43:00 - [166]
 

Originally by: Teinyhr
Originally by: Levi Ornulf
This entire situation could have been avoided with a little respect.


Hahaha, really? EVE community is one of the most touchiest MMO -communities I know of. "No reply to my demands in 5 minutes? THEY MUST BE IGNORING THEIR CUSTOMERS, FIRE ZE HATE MISSILEZ!" How long has this another storm in a cup been going on? A day? Two? It's pretty common for many companies to take a week at least to form an official statemets, in EVE, not answering some forum warrior's thread in 10 hours is considered "hating your customers." Really, buy some patience. In fact , here take mine, I have it in spades.


How much aurum does patience cost?

Fire Watch
Posted - 2011.06.26 09:45:00 - [167]
 

Originally by: Lord Aldaris
As mentioned by CCP Fallout, our concerns and complaints are seen as a waste of their time. I believe this highlights the exact attitutide most of us are sick and tired of. I've spent multiple $1,000's on this game and my concerns are a waste of their time.

Here's a thought; I can dump this game and get along fine. I'll still have a nice office, 401K and fat salary. I can live without you, but can you live without us?? Hope you guys have fun finding work on that godforsaken rock of yours after the dust settles (no pun intended). I hear fermented whale meat sells really well abroad. I hope you enjoy your future carreer as a fish monger.

You guys can go to hell. Evil or Very MadEvil or Very MadEvil or Very Mad


+1

Shintai
Gallente
Arx Io Orbital Factories
Arx Io
Posted - 2011.06.26 09:47:00 - [168]
 

Edited by: Shintai on 26/06/2011 09:47:22
Originally by: CCP Fallout
No, ponies and war declarations are a waste of time. What I should be doing now is gathering your feedback and spreading this on throughout the company. This is what you guys pay me to do. Instead, I'm removing pony pictures from the forums.

Please do not misconstrue or take what I said out of context. Doing so will continue to cause strife amongst the community, unfortunately.


Then you prioritize your work wrongly.

Kersh Marelor
Amarr
Posted - 2011.06.26 09:55:00 - [169]
 

Originally by: TimeToTank
CCP Fallout

If you are unable to comment on the current main question of the ENTIRE forums, do you have the power vested in you to bring the person in question to a computer so that they may post on the forums.


^ This. So much.

You guys screwed up at CCP - leaked the document or published it on purpose to see the community react to it. Well there is a reaction now and what I cannot comprehend is that having a crysis like that (cause for your company it is indeed a crysis) you do not have a single person at the office over the weekend compotent enough to actually post and answer to single question (the big yellow one) or at the very least write something like - We know it's bad, official statement coming on Monday. (just an example). No, instead you send CCP Zulu with his $1000 pants, faith in Incarna's gorgousness and Hilmar's sikrit evemail telling the players to go and **** off. This is terribad policy and it seems that as a company you again totally missed the point on communications.

Jos Wijnants
Posted - 2011.06.26 10:04:00 - [170]
 

Originally by: CCP Fallout
No, ponies and war declarations are a waste of time. What I should be doing now is gathering your feedback and spreading this on throughout the company. This is what you guys pay me to do. Instead, I'm removing pony pictures from the forums.

Please do not misconstrue or take what I said out of context. Doing so will continue to cause strife amongst the community, unfortunately.



Fallout you have my respect sir if it comes to your work you do at the forums.
But even you must agree that the silence CCP devs have against the community you love is the only that really causes the strife
By now you must be aware what the community wants so make a distress call to the devs bc they are the only one able stopping this strife

sorry for my bad English

grtz

grtz

Della Monk
Broski Enterprises
Posted - 2011.06.26 10:07:00 - [171]
 

If it's Fallout's job to collect and report on our response, that just means that the people who actually matter decisionwise don't even bother looking at the forum. That's a bit more telling in my eyes.

Tyke Orlieveit
Posted - 2011.06.26 10:18:00 - [172]
 

Originally by: Della Monk
If it's Fallout's job to collect and report on our response, that just means that the people who actually matter decisionwise don't even bother looking at the forum. That's a bit more telling in my eyes.


Aye, the people up the pecking order delegating work to people, so they have specific tasks? Preposterous!

Seriously though, it doesn't suprise me personally. If you ever look up a corporate food chain, the higher up they are, the less they know/care about what's happening on the ground floor, unless it affects one of their carefully balanced points on the reports they recieve.. and even then all they do is put pressure on the manager of the area the 'issue' is coming from..

Oft times, people in other departments genuinely don't have a clue what's happening, or the functioning of, other departments and roles beyond rumor and the odd bit of cooler-talk.

I'm not being a CCP apologist, but I believe CCP Fallout when he says he doesn't know, and isn't privy to this information.

I understand what some corporate culture is like, and I sure as hell wouldn't want to comment on something handled by another team that I have only a vague understanding about, and get lynched for not having all the facts.. especially in the middle of this quote-warring firestorm of rage.

CCP Fallout: If you read this, don't give up faith in this community. I'm sure you understand most of the anger is just misdirected.

Solus Starcunning
Posted - 2011.06.26 10:24:00 - [173]
 

+1

Lii'ta
Posted - 2011.06.26 10:27:00 - [174]
 

What does it take for one guy to read one email saying "the community is falling apart, come answer three lines of questions please. Then you can go back golfcoursing"

Not to pull a Clarkson but, HOW HARD CAN IT BE!?!

Biomassed everyoneelse
Posted - 2011.06.26 10:28:00 - [175]
 

Still plenty of room in Perpetuum.

Eve chat channel

Eve "fugee" corp

sandbox pvp!

Ponies pulling dessert carts! (ok, I made that up)

Devs that care! Stated over and over no pay2win

See ya there


Ben Fenix
Caldari
Posted - 2011.06.26 10:32:00 - [176]
 

Originally by: CCP Fallout
Originally by: Lord Aldaris
Originally by: CCP Fallout
No, ponies and war declarations are a waste of time. What I should be doing now is gathering your feedback and spreading this on throughout the company. This is what you guys pay me to do. Instead, I'm removing pony pictures from the forums.

Please do not misconstrue or take what I said out of context. Doing so will continue to cause strife amongst the community, unfortunately.


so you guys are spending your time reading war dec posts on GD instead of responding to the single thread with 500,000 views? you have the ability to stop all this nonsense right now by answering one question:

WILL AUR GO BEYOND VANITY ITEMS??



The fact that your current repsponse to this single issue consist of failed redirection and silence only aggrivate the situation.

JUST ANSWER THE QUESTION!!




This is not a question that I can answer as I am neither familiar with work in this particular feature, nor am a member of the team working on it. Our corporate policy is that we can only talk about that which we work on.


Ok, that's at least some kind of communication between CCP and their costumers. I think CCP Fallout has made clear on what he could spend his time on if he wouldn't have to look for ponies. What we all shouldn't forget is that it's still weekend and even with all our complains and our hate there is nothing we can do right now. Yes there are question which are not answered by now and yes there had been several chances on which CCP could have made it easier for us and theirselfs. But I can also imagine that gathering all responsible people and contacting all necessary departments on a weekend isn't quite easy, mostly impossible nor is it fair to demand a solution right at this moment whilst we're playing games. So even though we get absolutely no response on our most frequently asked questions I think people like CCP Fallout are doing at least their job by listening to us. But listening doesn't necessarily involve talking. So CCP Fallout does what he can possibly do on a weekend: "Working on reducing the amount of ponies." Neither that's very pleasing for him nor is it for us because it doesn't support our situation at all. We all should at least consider giving him the chance to take notes and take them to whereever in the company decisions are made. Possibly that will help and hopefully we will get answers during next week. Although i seriously doubt it. Confused

Just let CCP have the time to go through all possible consequences which a simple answer to our question could lead into. Yes they've heavily broken our trust and destroyed their image, they have shown their true face to the community. But despite that this is something they can't solve in about a few days. I personally think we should at least let do people like CCP Fallout do their job. Let's complain, let's rage and let's express ourselfs about this situation. But let's do it by putting the ponies aside. Even though i like them. Cool

Yeo San
Neoanarchistic Society
Posted - 2011.06.26 10:35:00 - [177]
 

Originally by: CCP Fallout

We know the community is unhappy. We have a long list of issues that the community has brought to our attention in the last several days and then some, and my job is to help ensure that this is being shared with and understood up above, and to continue gathering data on what you guys are saying. It's becoming increasingly difficult to do this when we're dealing with pony posts.

Consider what I personally have been locking: country declaration threads. In the amount of time that I spend locking and deleting that thread, I could have read 5 posts and taken some pretty valuable notes and taken some pretty effective quotations down. Or, I could be providing an answer to a player question, or researching player responses to some other topic of import.

I am very passionate about EVE Online players. I am proud to be a member of this community, and find your honesty and passion invigorating. One of the brightest aspects of my job is directly interacting with you guys. When you are angry, I take note of this. I listen. When you like things, I listen and take note of that too. My whole day revolves around you guys. But I feel that I am not working towards your needs if what I'm working on is removing ponies and war dec threads from the forums. I don't think this is constructive, and I don't think it helps you use me as your advocate.


1. you are the only one of ccp staff reacting, so my props to you.
2. if you can't answer our questions, tell the persons "above" that eve and forums are burning. as a community manager you can support our side as well.
3. in this function you are the wrong person to shout at.
4. tell them "above" that expressions of "angry" and "unhappy" are inappropriate, theses expressions are too tempered,

look at this thread!
http://www.eveonline.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=1536495

look at the number of people that have chosen to cancel their accounts in 48 hours after deployment!
is losing 3500 subscribed accounts up to now something not to talk about?

So, Fallout, if you are the one, that has been send to calm the mass, you won't be successfull, unless you deliver answers, because the community is raging for answers.

As long as these answers are not given,
as long as "senior management" doenst come down to reality with a clearing statement and apology for all this capitalistic **** that is ruining the core of EVE and the credibility of €€P,
that long all our posting here, is waste of time, because CCP seems to want to sit this protest out and doesnt give a **** about our concerns!

Gah'qs
Posted - 2011.06.26 10:37:00 - [178]
 

Edited by: Gah''qs on 26/06/2011 10:39:02
Originally by: Smoking Blunts
if your job is to convay how the community feels and feed that information back to the peopel above you, i must ask
where were you in the last 3 months when we have stated over and over again CQ was a resorce hogg, that would at best run ok ish on most peoples hardware and on many peoples would cause massive issues?
where were you when we stated that running multiboxed was going to become a thing of the past for most people with CQ as its buggy and makes hardware work hard while being just sat in station looking at a dam wall?
where were you when we stated we were against MT?
where were you when we stated that MT for more than vanity items was bad for eve and the players?

i love eve, so much so i have 8 accounts. i up til tuesday could run 6 with np on my pc, 60fps not a issue. now its 3 at most. you have made the fucntionality of the game worse, changed simple things that have made the gaming experiance worse. and all to extract as much money from the players as possible.
if you are so passionate about eve, where the hell were you?


Look no farther than this for the cause of all this rage. I honestly think nobody but the programmers at CCP ran CQ even once to see how it plays. If they did I doubt it would have been OK'd for release. But I guess "brain storming" ways to "monetize" 3rd party apps (lol 99$) takes priority over actually maintaining the EvE experience.

Jos Wijnants
Posted - 2011.06.26 10:41:00 - [179]
 

Originally by: Ben Fenix

Let's complain, let's rage and let's express ourselfs about this situation. But let's do it by putting the ponies aside. Even though i like them. Cool


But the community is complaining and raging ,the worst bit of it is that gamenews sites picked this up and thats bad advertising at least i think.
So by doing that little damagecontrol Zulu tried ,he gained more damage by losing face to the community and outside the community.
Being silent is doing CCP a lot more harm then they think.
Ofcourse thats my opinion

sorry bad English


Anaky Arody
Posted - 2011.06.26 10:45:00 - [180]
 

Originally by: San Severina
Originally by: Obsidian Hawk
Fallout we love you and know you are trying to do a good job amongst all the pitchforks and rages.

it comes down to 3 things.


1. Where was the option for incarna ccp talked about. its either CQ or a picture of a door, which is minscontrued of showing players 'the door'.

Can we not compromise with cq for those who want it and can use it, and ship spinning for others?.

2. The leaked memo and the statement that Ammo, implants, ships, boosters, sp and others stuff WHICH would would make huge gameplay changes needs to be addressed.

IF ANY OF THOSE ITEMS GO ON THE MARKET EVER, the community has stated it will walk. The community needs a statement from Hillmar himself stating That this will never happen. that the NeX store will be vanity only and nothing else.

3. A promise form ccp devs, that they will be more transparent with the csm and the community NO MORE NDA. It our game as much as it is yours, unless we all work together for a common goal of the best sci-fi simulator ever then we will fall apart.



we love this game, we dont want to see it die, most of us have no where to go any everything else is too carebearish out there.

So please just answer the big questions, and put in that fix. We dont want to see game changing items every being sold for money.


jesus christ hawky, you really think they give a flyin fvck?

grow up dude.


they don't it is every time the same thing they make changes it the game
and hide ther desk and lets othere one take the hit
but you see never them answer in here is every time the same
only you see them when some thing new is comming then you see them in front
so stay off the game it was no now most have other crab in it


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