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HollyCantrell
Posted - 2011.06.24 19:56:00 - [121]
 

If you give my main full kill rights to gank these guys in highsec and a jovian ship I will kill them all for you. Very Happy

Kuronaga
Black Snake Syndicate
Posted - 2011.06.24 19:57:00 - [122]
 

Originally by: CCP Fallout
Originally by: Eolithic WithaTwist
Edited by: Eolithic WithaTwist on 24/06/2011 18:43:54
Originally by: CCP Fallout
No, ponies and war declarations are a waste of time. What I should be doing now is gathering your feedback and spreading this on throughout the company. This is what you guys pay me to do. Instead, I'm removing pony pictures from the forums.

Please do not misconstrue or take what I said out of context. Doing so will continue to cause strife amongst the community, unfortunately.


We are not taking what you say out of context, we legitimately do not understand that after a thread with 5200 replies saying we hate what you're doing with eve you could take a hint that the community doesn't like this. But apparently in Iceland the customers opinion doesn't meant ****.


We know the community is unhappy. We have a long list of issues that the community has brought to our attention in the last several days and then some, and my job is to help ensure that this is being shared with and understood up above, and to continue gathering data on what you guys are saying. It's becoming increasingly difficult to do this when we're dealing with pony posts.

Consider what I personally have been locking: country declaration threads. In the amount of time that I spend locking and deleting that thread, I could have read 5 posts and taken some pretty valuable notes and taken some pretty effective quotations down. Or, I could be providing an answer to a player question, or researching player responses to some other topic of import.

I am very passionate about EVE Online players. I am proud to be a member of this community, and find your honesty and passion invigorating. One of the brightest aspects of my job is directly interacting with you guys. When you are angry, I take note of this. I listen. When you like things, I listen and take note of that too. My whole day revolves around you guys. But I feel that I am not working towards your needs if what I'm working on is removing ponies and war dec threads from the forums. I don't think this is constructive, and I don't think it helps you use me as your advocate.


I thought chicks dug ponies?

Lord Aldaris
Posted - 2011.06.24 19:57:00 - [123]
 

Edited by: Lord Aldaris on 24/06/2011 19:59:03
Originally by: War Kitten
Originally by: Lord Aldaris
As mentioned by CCP Fallout, our concerns and complaints are seen as a waste of their time.


OP, you fail. Learn to read.

It's the childish crap going on in the forums that is wasting their time while they moderate it.

This is our only method of communicating with CCP - however ineffective it may be at times - its our only public avenue. Try to be a bit grown up and don't get it taken away people. Add your voice to the threads, say what you feel, then move on.

Or go shoot the statue in Jita - that's kinda funny :)



hey kiddo,

tell you what, when you pay my 4 annual subs you can tell me what to do. until you fork over your momma's cc or shoot me 48 PLEX, stfu and deal with it! Rolling Eyes

Kali Doom
Posted - 2011.06.24 19:59:00 - [124]
 

Originally by: CCP Fallout
No, ponies and war declarations are a waste of time. What I should be doing now is gathering your feedback and spreading this on throughout the company. This is what you guys pay me to do. Instead, I'm removing pony pictures from the forums.

Please do not misconstrue or take what I said out of context. Doing so will continue to cause strife amongst the community, unfortunately.


I don't envy you your job right now mate.

Here is some great feedback:

http://eve.beyondreality.se/NeXCQResponse.html




spellbound spirit
Posted - 2011.06.24 19:59:00 - [125]
 

If there was someone gathering customers (EvE is not free thing, we pay, we're customers) why are we in such situation in a first place?
Where were you when players expressed exactly same opinions as now?

Reed Tiburon
Caldari
Future Corps
Sleeper Social Club
Posted - 2011.06.24 20:02:00 - [126]
 

Originally by: CCP Fallout
Originally by: Lord Aldaris
Originally by: CCP Fallout
No, ponies and war declarations are a waste of time. What I should be doing now is gathering your feedback and spreading this on throughout the company. This is what you guys pay me to do. Instead, I'm removing pony pictures from the forums.

Please do not misconstrue or take what I said out of context. Doing so will continue to cause strife amongst the community, unfortunately.


so you guys are spending your time reading war dec posts on GD instead of responding to the single thread with 500,000 views? you have the ability to stop all this nonsense right now by answering one question:

WILL AUR GO BEYOND VANITY ITEMS??



The fact that your current repsponse to this single issue consist of failed redirection and silence only aggrivate the situation.

JUST ANSWER THE QUESTION!!




This is not a question that I can answer as I am neither familiar with work in this particular feature, nor am a member of

the team working on it

. Our corporate policy is that we can only talk about that which we work on.


Welly welly welly well...

Da Gooch
Posted - 2011.06.24 20:02:00 - [127]
 

Originally by: CCP Fallout
Originally by: Lord Aldaris
Originally by: CCP Fallout
No, ponies and war declarations are a waste of time. What I should be doing now is gathering your feedback and spreading this on throughout the company. This is what you guys pay me to do. Instead, I'm removing pony pictures from the forums.

Please do not misconstrue or take what I said out of context. Doing so will continue to cause strife amongst the community, unfortunately.


so you guys are spending your time reading war dec posts on GD instead of responding to the single thread with 500,000 views? you have the ability to stop all this nonsense right now by answering one question:

WILL AUR GO BEYOND VANITY ITEMS??



The fact that your current repsponse to this single issue consist of failed redirection and silence only aggrivate the situation.

JUST ANSWER THE QUESTION!!




This is not a question that I can answer as I am neither familiar with work in this particular feature, nor am a member of the team working on it. Our corporate policy is that we can only talk about that which we work on.


Can we get someone who can answer the question to answer it then.. lol?

Velicitia
Gallente
Open Designs
Posted - 2011.06.24 20:04:00 - [128]
 

Originally by: CCP Fallout

This is not a question that I can answer as I am neither familiar with work in this particular feature, nor am a member of the team working on it. Our corporate policy is that we can only talk about that which we work on.


OK, this makes perfect sense fallout... now, help us help you and get someone who CAN talk about it to do so.

we'll even give you beer....

... them... well, I've got 1400 arties around here somewhereTwisted Evil

General Xenophon
Posted - 2011.06.24 20:05:00 - [129]
 

Edited by: General Xenophon on 24/06/2011 20:05:32
Originally by: CCP Fallout
No, ponies and war declarations are a waste of time. What I should be doing now is gathering your feedback and spreading this on throughout the company. This is what you guys pay me to do. Instead, I'm removing pony pictures from the forums.

Please do not misconstrue or take what I said out of context. Doing so will continue to cause strife amongst the community, unfortunately.


Well then maybe it's about time you guys at CCP prioritize what's important: what the players want. Then maybe you wouldn't have to play housekeeper on the forums after the community rages over stupid crap added to the game.

diaufop
Posted - 2011.06.24 20:05:00 - [130]
 

Originally by: CCP Fallout
No, ponies and war declarations are a waste of time. What I should be doing now is gathering your feedback and spreading this on throughout the company. This is what you guys pay me to do. Instead, I'm removing pony pictures from the forums.



BS

CCP have had three days with mutiple substantial threadnaughts to "gather feedback", you know exactly what the customer's problems are. Claiming to need oh-so-much time to "discover" the blatantly, *painfully* obvious concerns that players have brought up is an outright lie.

Jehvan Sunburnadire
The Forgotten Legion
Redrum Fleet
Posted - 2011.06.24 20:09:00 - [131]
 

With all due respect, this started out as a trust issue; you (the company) telling us one thing, and then being seen to do something completely different.
Your method for resolving this so far, has been telling us one thing and then doing something completely different. There's a huge disconnect here if you can't see why people are going bat**** on the forums and in game, and I think, your priority in terms of information relay, should be that to tell the higher-ups that CCP is doing the exact thing that originally ****ed us off, in terms of handling this situation.

I know your company doesn't pay overtime, and I know that as a company talking to your users is incredibly hard, but, it's about damn time you all started doing some actual, visible damage control, and stopped making posts in threads saying you're 'working on it', then having hours pass with nothing happening. Get the people concerned back from the pub, and have them communicate. It will do wonders for your moderation overhead. Trust me.

Not doing so is just going to keep leading to ponies being posted, and trade hubs being sieged. This is not the outcome you want from this, as a company.

RougeOperator
Posted - 2011.06.24 20:11:00 - [132]
 

You had days to get your stuff together CCP and now you are acting like its the players fault?

What they heck?

Sorry I dont feel bad for anyone at CCP anymore. Especially not the flippiant attitude to legitimate complaints.

All those annoying and childish things you think are childish are the result of CCPs actions and inaction in this mess.

You teat us like children we will act like children.

diaufop
Posted - 2011.06.24 20:19:00 - [133]
 

Edited by: diaufop on 24/06/2011 20:24:06
Originally by: CCP Fallout

We know the community is unhappy. We have a long list of issues that the community has brought to our attention in the last several days and then some, and my job is to help ensure that this is being shared with and understood up above, and to continue gathering data on what you guys are saying. It's becoming increasingly difficult to do this when we're dealing with pony posts.

Consider what I personally have been locking: country declaration threads. In the amount of time that I spend locking and deleting that thread, I could have read 5 posts and taken some pretty valuable notes and taken some pretty effective quotations down. Or, I could be providing an answer to a player question, or researching player responses to some other topic of import.


Although it may be your job to take notes and pass them along, over the course of the past 3 days you must have already gathered sufficient notes that the people who are actually responsible know the essential issues and know what their answer is going to be.

At this point, time spent locking and deleting war decs and pony pictures is just as useful as time spent taking yet more notes. Everyone's going to continue to re-post the same old **** until some of the devs that are responsible for the ****storm actually reply to the many points that have already been raised.

Look at it this way.

Posting Ponies is nothing more or less than the virtual equivalent of standing outside CCP's HQ with placards and banners. A peaceful, if slightly obnoxious, protest.

Karen Okaeshi
Perkone
Posted - 2011.06.24 20:20:00 - [134]
 

Originally by: Ranger 1
Way to completely take his reply out of context.

One of the main complaits is that CCP has not listened to the complaints of their playerbase.

Yet when they are making a concerted effort to do so, the forum is flooded with childish, hateful, no content, look at me posts.

STFU if you have nothing meaningful to say while this gets sorted out.


+1

You people are inbred ******s, and are completely undermining warranted outrage over this crap, with your childish antics.

Pierced Brosmen
Priory Of The Lemon
Posted - 2011.06.24 20:22:00 - [135]
 

Originally by: CCP Fallout
Consider what I personally have been locking: country declaration threads. In the amount of time that I spend locking and deleting that thread, I could have read 5 posts and taken some pretty valuable notes and taken some pretty effective quotations down. Or, I could be providing an answer to a player question, or researching player responses to some other topic of import.


Question: Since these are special circumstanses. Why can't lead GM's be set to remove said pony posts and war declaration posts/threads, so you can do the task that at this time is actualy more important then forum moderation?

RougeOperator
Posted - 2011.06.24 20:23:00 - [136]
 

Originally by: diaufop
Originally by: CCP Fallout

We know the community is unhappy. We have a long list of issues that the community has brought to our attention in the last several days and then some, and my job is to help ensure that this is being shared with and understood up above, and to continue gathering data on what you guys are saying. It's becoming increasingly difficult to do this when we're dealing with pony posts.

Consider what I personally have been locking: country declaration threads. In the amount of time that I spend locking and deleting that thread, I could have read 5 posts and taken some pretty valuable notes and taken some pretty effective quotations down. Or, I could be providing an answer to a player question, or researching player responses to some other topic of import.


Although it may be your job to take notes and pass them along, over the course of the past 3 days you must have already gathered sufficient notes that the people who are actually responsible know the essential issues and know what their answer is going to be.

At this point, time spent locking and deleting war decs and pony pictures is just as useful as time spent taking yet more notes. Everyone's going to continue to re-post the same old **** until some of the devs that are responsible for the ****storm actually reply to the many points that have already been raised.


Yeah they keep adding more fuel to the fire every time they turn around. And seem genuinely surprised we are not happy about this.

Black Dranzer
Caldari
Posted - 2011.06.24 20:38:00 - [137]
 

Originally by: CCP Fallout
It's becoming increasingly difficult to do this when we're dealing with pony posts.

I have sympathy for you, Fallout. You're a community guy, and you're stuck doing the work here which really must be miserable. You do not deserve this. Nobody in the CM side of CCP does. It's the design guys and the developers who should be taking the hellfire, not you.

Unfortunately, right now, (and I can't speak personally because I'm not spamming) making your job a living hell is kind of the point. Somewhere, somebody, one of your superiors, did something stupid. The time for diplomacy is past. People aren't interested anymore. There will be no civility. There will be screams and hellfire. And unfortunately, your job puts you in the line of fire.

But don't get ****ed at the players. Get ****ed at your superiors. We scream at you, and you should be screaming at your superiors, and your superiors should be screaming at their superiors, and so on until somebody in a position to actually do **** is being screamed at from all directions to the point where he or she is required to act. That is the point of this. To hell with patience. To hell with diplomacy. Your superiors had over twenty four hours to act. Their reactions were insubstantial. Blame them, not the players.

Still, I'm sorry to see you community guys in the firing line. Stay strong.

khac
Posted - 2011.06.25 00:15:00 - [138]
 

Originally by: Black Dranzer
Originally by: CCP Fallout
It's becoming increasingly difficult to do this when we're dealing with pony posts.

I have sympathy for you, Fallout. You're a community guy, and you're stuck doing the work here which really must be miserable. You do not deserve this. Nobody in the CM side of CCP does. It's the design guys and the developers who should be taking the hellfire, not you.

Unfortunately, right now, (and I can't speak personally because I'm not spamming) making your job a living hell is kind of the point. Somewhere, somebody, one of your superiors, did something stupid. The time for diplomacy is past. People aren't interested anymore. There will be no civility. There will be screams and hellfire. And unfortunately, your job puts you in the line of fire.

But don't get ****ed at the players. Get ****ed at your superiors. We scream at you, and you should be screaming at your superiors, and your superiors should be screaming at their superiors, and so on until somebody in a position to actually do **** is being screamed at from all directions to the point where he or she is required to act. That is the point of this. To hell with patience. To hell with diplomacy. Your superiors had over twenty four hours to act. Their reactions were insubstantial. Blame them, not the players.

Still, I'm sorry to see you community guys in the firing line. Stay strong.



Thumbs up for you! Cool

ShadowGod56
Posted - 2011.06.25 00:21:00 - [139]
 

Originally by: CCP Fallout
Originally by: Lord Aldaris
Originally by: CCP Fallout
No, ponies and war declarations are a waste of time. What I should be doing now is gathering your feedback and spreading this on throughout the company. This is what you guys pay me to do. Instead, I'm removing pony pictures from the forums.

Please do not misconstrue or take what I said out of context. Doing so will continue to cause strife amongst the community, unfortunately.


so you guys are spending your time reading war dec posts on GD instead of responding to the single thread with 500,000 views? you have the ability to stop all this nonsense right now by answering one question:

WILL AUR GO BEYOND VANITY ITEMS??



The fact that your current repsponse to this single issue consist of failed redirection and silence only aggrivate the situation.

JUST ANSWER THE QUESTION!!




This is not a question that I can answer as I am neither familiar with work in this particular feature, nor am a member of the team working on it. Our corporate policy is that we can only talk about that which we work on.

then maybe its time the policies change, cause obviously its not working.

Master Gotama
Posted - 2011.06.25 00:22:00 - [140]
 

those of us that have supported CCP over the years are totally getting screwed here. they intend to implement more MT that effect game play. there is no turning back, eve had dieded. Crying or Very sad

Cancel Align NOW
Posted - 2011.06.25 00:24:00 - [141]
 

Edited by: Cancel Align NOW on 25/06/2011 00:45:08
Edited by: Cancel Align NOW on 25/06/2011 00:24:32
Originally by: CCP Fallout
Originally by: Eolithic WithaTwist
Edited by: Eolithic WithaTwist on 24/06/2011 18:43:54
Originally by: CCP Fallout
No, ponies and war declarations are a waste of time. What I should be doing now is gathering your feedback and spreading this on throughout the company. This is what you guys pay me to do. Instead, I'm removing pony pictures from the forums.

Please do not misconstrue or take what I said out of context. Doing so will continue to cause strife amongst the community, unfortunately.


We are not taking what you say out of context, we legitimately do not understand that after a thread with 5200 replies saying we hate what you're doing with eve you could take a hint that the community doesn't like this. But apparently in Iceland the customers opinion doesn't meant ****.


We know the community is unhappy. We have a long list of issues that the community has brought to our attention in the last several days and then some, and my job is to help ensure that this is being shared with and understood up above, and to continue gathering data on what you guys are saying. It's becoming increasingly difficult to do this when we're dealing with pony posts.

Consider what I personally have been locking: country declaration threads. In the amount of time that I spend locking and deleting that thread, I could have read 5 posts and taken some pretty valuable notes and taken some pretty effective quotations down. Or, I could be providing an answer to a player question, or researching player responses to some other topic of import.

I am very passionate about EVE Online players. I am proud to be a member of this community, and find your honesty and passion invigorating. One of the brightest aspects of my job is directly interacting with you guys. When you are angry, I take note of this. I listen. When you like things, I listen and take note of that too. My whole day revolves around you guys. But I feel that I am not working towards your needs if what I'm working on is removing ponies and war dec threads from the forums. I don't think this is constructive, and I don't think it helps you use me as your advocate.



Since when did we decide Fallout was our advocate?
The CSM are our advocates, you are a forum moderator. (reading a certain revue of CCp Games, your probably an under paid over worked employee who is staying in the office this weekend to delete pony posts)

Croesus
Caldari
Titan Indurstrial
Posted - 2011.06.25 00:56:00 - [142]
 

all these rl winners are leaving eve.

BeanBagKing
Terra Incognita
Intrepid Crossing
Posted - 2011.06.25 02:48:00 - [143]
 

Edited by: BeanBagKing on 25/06/2011 02:50:30
Originally by: CCP Fallout
What I should be doing now is gathering your feedback and spreading this on throughout the company.


Guess we see now how this turned out....

Originally by: CCP Hilmar
I can tell you that this is one of the moments where we look at what our players do and less of what they say.

Dirty Dishrag
Posted - 2011.06.26 04:16:00 - [144]
 

Originally by: CCP Fallout
Originally by: Lord Aldaris
Originally by: CCP Fallout
No, ponies and war declarations are a waste of time. What I should be doing now is gathering your feedback and spreading this on throughout the company. This is what you guys pay me to do. Instead, I'm removing pony pictures from the forums.

Please do not misconstrue or take what I said out of context. Doing so will continue to cause strife amongst the community, unfortunately.


so you guys are spending your time reading war dec posts on GD instead of responding to the single thread with 500,000 views? you have the ability to stop all this nonsense right now by answering one question:

WILL AUR GO BEYOND VANITY ITEMS??



The fact that your current repsponse to this single issue consist of failed redirection and silence only aggrivate the situation.

JUST ANSWER THE QUESTION!!




This is not a question that I can answer as I am neither familiar with work in this particular feature, nor am a member of the team working on it. Our corporate policy is that we can only talk about that which we work on.



/End thread.

Monstress
Posted - 2011.06.26 04:21:00 - [145]
 

It's not that ****ing complicated. There is no long list of issues.

It's one simple question: Are you going beyond vanity items for AUR?

Stop being useless and pretending this issue is any more complicated than that simple ****ing question.

Andreus Ixiris
Gallente
Mixed Metaphor
Posted - 2011.06.26 04:24:00 - [146]
 

Originally by: CCP Fallout
No, ponies and war declarations are a waste of time.


Originally by: CCP Fallout
No, ponies ... are a waste of time.


Originally by: CCP Fallout
ponies


Originally by: CCP Fallout
waste of time.


YOU, SIR, JUST CROSSED THE FINAL LINE.



Please visit your user settings to re-enable images.

Rolinthor
Amarr
Ministry of War
Posted - 2011.06.26 04:24:00 - [147]
 

Edited by: Rolinthor on 26/06/2011 04:25:29
I love how every thread in which CCP responds, it does so to upbraid its customers. What a truly insane outfit you guys run.

You don't get to have my money anymore.

Kilmiester
Posted - 2011.06.26 04:29:00 - [148]
 

So sad that CCP employees are on a gag order when it comes to this. It's not hard to figure out the real answer to an extremely controversial yes/no question when employees are forbidden to answer.

Algathas
Minmatar
The Revenge of Auntie Freeze
Posted - 2011.06.26 04:41:00 - [149]
 

Edited by: Algathas on 26/06/2011 04:43:22
EVE is a game we put a lot of time in to. For many of us its a significant part of our daily life and has been for many years. When most of us signed up we had a certain vision of the future of eve - the sandbox, player driven economy, meaningful loss PVP, absence or MT, etc.

Now we are being presented with a different vision of the future of eve - one which is quite different from what we had seen in the past.

The concern of most people is:

What is the future CCP envisions? Is it MT for things beyond pure vanity items? Does it go beyond that? Can I trust CCP to follow through with what they say? Is the future that CCP wants for EVE a future that I can see myself investing the next several years of my gaming time and money on?

No matter what the answer is, its ok. We understand you are a business. Some of us whom the new vision of the future doesn't work for will move on to other things. Others will stay on and enjoy eve and the developments to come. We just want to know so we know where we stand and can make the choice.

San Severina
Minmatar
Posted - 2011.06.26 04:43:00 - [150]
 

Originally by: Lord Aldaris
As mentioned by CCP Fallout, our concerns and complaints are seen as a waste of their time. I believe this highlights the exact attitutide most of us are sick and tired of. I've spent multiple $1,000's on this game and my concerns are a waste of their time.

Here's a thought; I can dump this game and get along fine. I'll still have a nice office, 401K and fat salary. I can live without you, but can you live without us?? Hope you guys have fun finding work on that godforsaken rock of yours after the dust settles (no pun intended). I hear fermented whale meat sells really well abroad. I hope you enjoy your future carreer as a fish monger.

You guys can go to hell. Evil or Very MadEvil or Very MadEvil or Very Mad


they already are in HELL, & Hilmar is totally insane - obviously!

+1 tooCool


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