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Baudolino
Gallente
Royal Crimson Lancers
Posted - 2011.06.24 12:32:00 - [1]
 

Edited by: Baudolino on 24/06/2011 14:46:09
Edited by: Baudolino on 24/06/2011 14:31:11
Edited by: Baudolino on 24/06/2011 14:29:36
Edited by: Baudolino on 24/06/2011 14:28:35
Edited by: Baudolino on 24/06/2011 13:48:14
Edited by: Baudolino on 24/06/2011 12:59:04

Are players out of hand or are eye patches and zebra striped scorpions through MT the end of EVE?

UPDATE
My first response:
what i'm seeing is people throwing together an april fools day joke from 2008 with the aurum functionality to create some amalgam of evil conspiracy to cheat the players.

an internal discussion along the lines of exploiting MT opportunities is no proof of the world coming crashing down.

As far as anyone can tell AURUM is for vanity items and that's it. Personally i couldn't care less about monocles or shoes- i'm here to blow stuff up.

Being scared of the potentially awfull possibilities of the future is no reason for going ape**** today. Keep your composure and have fun. If EVE goes MT in the future well, then there will be several other games available for you to play.

I don't support MT but i won't whine about it like people are now. If it does happen at some point in the future i'll just quietly take my money elsewhere and i've been playing this game for 8 years.


IdeaORIGINAL POST:
If you don`t like your avatar then turn of the station environment.

If you don`t like vanity items then don`t buy them.


People are going hysterical for a hypothetical perceived future day where they might experience MT for gameplay enhancing items- why don`t people actually save these complaints until something like that ACTUALLY happens. MT is for vanity items that have no impact on gameplay what so ever. Until that changes there is really no point in childish screaming.

You can`t fault a company for having an internal discussion on company matters- only their actualy decisions that you might disagree with. If anything CCP should be lauded for having open deliberations on such sensitive issues.

If you think Aurum prices are too high then say so, don`t confuse it with MT supposedly ruining the game.

Personally i think all you people screaming your heads off in the forums are succumbing to a mass hyseteria of epic proportions while purporting some insult that is really only a misunderstanding and misrepresentation of what is actually going on.

Second response: what is incarna?:
"I think alot of people have missed the point of the Incarna Expansion.

Incarna was what i'd term a crossroads expansion. It laid the infrastructure for the pursuit of CCPs stated goal of being "the complete sci-fi experience". BLUENET and CARBONUI are the significant parts of incarna NOT CQ and certainly not AURUM.

The infrastructure work was required to effectively pursue all the dimensions of EVE
a) the spaceship game
b) walking in stations
c) the planetary stuff

EVE is expanding and Incarna was the crossroads required for that expansion of eve. I suspect that now we will start seeing alot more in regards to balancing the spaceship game and alot more of the other stuff.

Incarna was a large expansion- it's just that alot of it was "under the hood" and not "paintjob" visible stuff. The expansion might not have been communicated properly, but it's hard finding justification for the cluster**** perceptions many players are advocating.

Incarna was the beginning of EVE 2.0. Over the coming months we'll be seeing the fruits of all the "under the hood stuff". At least this is how i have intepreted the fanfest, the blogs and the interviews."

PresidentScrewb
Posted - 2011.06.24 12:33:00 - [2]
 

The expansion is out of hand. CCP is out of hand.

John Turbefield 4CEO
Posted - 2011.06.24 12:35:00 - [3]
 

Edited by: John Turbefield 4CEO on 24/06/2011 12:35:35
Originally by: Baudolino
People are going hysterical for a hypothetical perceived future day where they might experience MT for gameplay enhancing items- why don`t people actually save these complaints until something like that ACTUALLY happens.


Because by then it will be too late. Now is the time to let CCP know they're taking the game in the wrong direction.

w0rmy
Destructive Influence
Posted - 2011.06.24 12:36:00 - [4]
 

Originally by: Baudolino
why don`t people actually save these complaints until something like that ACTUALLY happens.


proactive approach > reactive approach.

Im not going to wait till the game I play is ****ed, before I speak out.

Captain Futur3
Posted - 2011.06.24 12:37:00 - [5]
 

I quote myself here:

Quote:
Why are microtransactions needed in a game where i have to pay 15 Euro per account? So far, only free to play games have microtransactions (with very very very few exceptions) and it feels like a pure ripoff!
The sense behind microtransactions is to pay the developerss for their work, but we are already paying for THREE developer teams working on 2 other games than eve. And all of them are bigger than the Eve Developer team. So isnt it time to give us something back in terms of some HUGE addon? Just for an example, you did 2 new ship models in 3 expansions, this clearly shows ME that you just dont care about eve anymore.
I bet 10 billion ISK that in the same time, you created about 100 new (at least as complex as the maller) models for the other games.

Please answer this question. I will bump and repeat it until some dev says something about this.

PS: I dont care about vanity items in general, but i care about the work that is going in the developement of this while there are obviously thousand other more important things to do. Eve needs the artists creating clothes for the remodelling of spaceships!

The idea behind micro transactions is that games, which are for free have some source of money to pay the developers. But we already pay for so many and even when some people say that we dont need to buy the items, we already bought them because we paid for their developement. Fact is, that only very vew people are working on Eve and now you even moved some of them to create vanity items and stuff like that where there is so much else to do? You cant be serious... Eve is already a ripoff because we pay for Eve, World of Darkness and Dust together!

Zarus Alexander
Posted - 2011.06.24 12:39:00 - [6]
 

Edited by: Zarus Alexander on 24/06/2011 12:41:53
No. Not one person I know in-game, and that's a lot of people, in my corp, factional warfare group, and out of corp friends, could care less about it all as long as they can still violence each others boats. All these whiners and ragers on the forums are acting childish and immature, and it's really a sad sight to see when grown men can't keep their cool over a spaceship game. I hope none of them are currently serving, because by their actions in the forums, they wouldn't last on a real battlefield.

This is what internet anonymity leads to.

Anne Arqui
Minmatar
Diamonds in the Rough Enterprises
Posted - 2011.06.24 12:39:00 - [7]
 

I'm not sure if it's the EVE players who have completely lost it ...

Apollo Gabriel
Mercatoris
Etherium Cartel
Posted - 2011.06.24 12:39:00 - [8]
 

dude, you're inability to read is amazing.

IT isn't Incarna or Vanity items.

CCP wants to sell AMMO, SHIPS STANDING for AUR (bypassing economy, NOT ship trade like LP)

AG

Sur Jamkar
Z3R0 RETURN MINING INC.
Rura-Penthe
Posted - 2011.06.24 12:40:00 - [9]
 

Originally by: w0rmy
Originally by: Baudolino
why don`t people actually save these complaints until something like that ACTUALLY happens.


proactive approach > reactive approach.

Im not going to wait till the game I play is ****ed, before I speak out.


THIS!!

When you've lost every god-given right is not the time to voice your opinion. The time to say and act is now!

Kobayashi Marru
Posted - 2011.06.24 12:40:00 - [10]
 

Originally by: Baudolino

If you don`t like your avatar then turn of the station environment.
turning off station environment doesn't revert back to the old ship spinning whatnot. you go to something worse, can't see certain info..whatnot. and even that will be removed sooon, forcing CQ.

Originally by: Baudolino
If you don`t like vanity items then don`t buy them.
Get a grip people..
true dat. the anger is on them + the newsletter and what the potential future of nex market will be. For a feature that no single eve player asked for (NEX market), it is now here. It's potential to cause havok is quite potent.

Mag Theron
Open University of Celestial Hardship
Art of War Alliance
Posted - 2011.06.24 12:41:00 - [11]
 

Quote:
...why don`t people actually save these complaints until something like that ACTUALLY happens


Because by then it will be too late? (It may already be)

Alexis Sachs
Posted - 2011.06.24 12:41:00 - [12]
 

The evil side of me wants to rephrase your title to something like: "...the brownnosing/White Knighting seems out of hand"

You have an opinion - great! Others do to, though they may not agree with you. So, if we must deal with things, then you too must deal with things.

northwesten
Amarr
Trinity Corporate Services
Terran United Federation
Posted - 2011.06.24 12:42:00 - [13]
 

Originally by: Baudolino

If you don`t like your avatar then turn of the station environment.

If you don`t like vanity items then don`t buy them.




fail to read what's going on? fail

Coffee Shopper
Posted - 2011.06.24 12:45:00 - [14]
 

Problem is not just the new content(lessness) but those money greedy bastards who make decisions to develop crappy new content instead of fixing old bugs & balancing the gameplay...

Electra GaafCramo
Posted - 2011.06.24 12:48:00 - [15]
 

Dude, We are seeing a snowball rolling downhill, and trying to stop it before it gets too massive.

Dr Prometheus
Caldari
Gears of Construction
Posted - 2011.06.24 12:48:00 - [16]
 

If it stays at having some novelty items wich dont give an advantage; like;

- Skins.
- Clothes
- Scooter Segway from the aprils fools day

I dont give an ISK. But if it comes to be you can buy a certain type of battleship with more slots then a regular one then they have gone to far. I will buy a ticket to Iceland and make a visit to CCP.


CCP; a small advice: Step on the breaks stop with everything you are doing and try to get your players pleased again. (Wich i mean the ones who arent shouting at you like immatures.)

Siestre Vitale
Blue Republic
Posted - 2011.06.24 12:49:00 - [17]
 

Originally by: Captain Futur3
I quote myself here:

Quote:
Why are microtransactions needed in a game where i have to pay 15 Euro per account? So far, only free to play games have microtransactions (with very very very few exceptions) and it feels like a pure ripoff!
The sense behind microtransactions is to pay the developerss for their work, but we are already paying for THREE developer teams working on 2 other games than eve. And all of them are bigger than the Eve Developer team. So isnt it time to give us something back in terms of some HUGE addon? Just for an example, you did 2 new ship models in 3 expansions, this clearly shows ME that you just dont care about eve anymore.
I bet 10 billion ISK that in the same time, you created about 100 new (at least as complex as the maller) models for the other games.

Please answer this question. I will bump and repeat it until some dev says something about this.

PS: I dont care about vanity items in general, but i care about the work that is going in the developement of this while there are obviously thousand other more important things to do. Eve needs the artists creating clothes for the remodelling of spaceships!

The idea behind micro transactions is that games, which are for free have some source of money to pay the developers. But we already pay for so many and even when some people say that we dont need to buy the items, we already bought them because we paid for their developement. Fact is, that only very vew people are working on Eve and now you even moved some of them to create vanity items and stuff like that where there is so much else to do? You cant be serious... Eve is already a ripoff because we pay for Eve, World of Darkness and Dust together!



how many other 15 euro a month MMO's give you free expansions? just curious

Kevo Naaras
Posted - 2011.06.24 12:49:00 - [18]
 

Originally by: Baudolino

hear no evil, see no evil, speak no evil

Theocrates
Posted - 2011.06.24 12:51:00 - [19]
 

Mostly the entire rage thing is 100% horse****. The "Bittervets" have taken a discussion document used to start a conversion as both its conclusion and CCP's new business plan. Pack of raging emo hysterics.

Pneumon Blaster
Quondam Souls of the Universe corporation
THE R0NIN
Posted - 2011.06.24 12:51:00 - [20]
 

Confirming, i am out of hand.

San Severina
Minmatar
Posted - 2011.06.24 12:52:00 - [21]
 

OP glad you're happy with the new EvE & the new CCP!

Enjoy Rolling Eyes

Karl Planck
Labyrinth Obtaining Chaotic Kangaroos
Posted - 2011.06.24 12:52:00 - [22]
 

I concur. FFS people calm the **** down. It's gone from funny to sad (and thats not sad as in teh state of the game, that's legitimate pity for you raging).

I used to come to GD for the lulz and some trolling, now you guys are just making me want to rage quit the forums Laughing

Noxides
APEX ARDENT COALITION
Nulli Tertius
Posted - 2011.06.24 12:53:00 - [23]
 

Originally by: Siestre Vitale
Originally by: Captain Futur3
I quote myself here:

Quote:
Why are microtransactions needed in a game where i have to pay 15 Euro per account? So far, only free to play games have microtransactions (with very very very few exceptions) and it feels like a pure ripoff!
The sense behind microtransactions is to pay the developerss for their work, but we are already paying for THREE developer teams working on 2 other games than eve. And all of them are bigger than the Eve Developer team. So isnt it time to give us something back in terms of some HUGE addon? Just for an example, you did 2 new ship models in 3 expansions, this clearly shows ME that you just dont care about eve anymore.
I bet 10 billion ISK that in the same time, you created about 100 new (at least as complex as the maller) models for the other games.

Please answer this question. I will bump and repeat it until some dev says something about this.

PS: I dont care about vanity items in general, but i care about the work that is going in the developement of this while there are obviously thousand other more important things to do. Eve needs the artists creating clothes for the remodelling of spaceships!

The idea behind micro transactions is that games, which are for free have some source of money to pay the developers. But we already pay for so many and even when some people say that we dont need to buy the items, we already bought them because we paid for their developement. Fact is, that only very vew people are working on Eve and now you even moved some of them to create vanity items and stuff like that where there is so much else to do? You cant be serious... Eve is already a ripoff because we pay for Eve, World of Darkness and Dust together!



how many other 15 euro a month MMO's give you free expansions? just curious


how many other 15 euro a month MMO's charge you $60 for a monocle? just curious

Baudolino
Gallente
Royal Crimson Lancers
Posted - 2011.06.24 12:54:00 - [24]
 

what i'm seeing is people throwing together an april fools day joke from 2008 with the aurum functionality to create some amalgam of evil conspiracy to cheat the players.

an internal discussion along the lines of exploiting MT opportunities is no proof of the world coming crashing down.

As far as anyone can tell AURUM is for vanity items and that's it. Personally i couldn't care less about monocles or shoes- i'm here to blow stuff up.

Being scared of the potentially awfull possibilities of the future is no reason for going ape**** today. Keep your composure and have fun. If EVE goes MT in the future well, then there will be several other games available for you to play.

I don't support MT but i won't whine about it like people are now. If it does happen at some point in the future i'll just quietly take my money elsewhere and i've been playing this game for 8 years.

Captain Futur3
Posted - 2011.06.24 12:55:00 - [25]
 

Edited by: Captain Futur3 on 24/06/2011 12:56:33
Edited by: Captain Futur3 on 24/06/2011 12:55:42
@Siestre Vitale:

WTF IS IT WHAT YOU CALL AN EXPANSION??? HAVE YOU EVER LOOKED AT THE PATCH NOTES OF OTHER MMOS?? THEY ARE WAY BIGGER THAN EVES ADDONS!
Eves addons are not even major patches anymore. They were in the past but now they are just normal patches like you see in every mmo.
Dont be stupid, just because they sell you $hit as gold makes it not better.
Also they are NOT FREE! I pay 15 euro per month for servers AND developement, improvement of the game.

Glyken Touchon
Gallente
Independent Alchemists
Posted - 2011.06.24 12:59:00 - [26]
 

Originally by: Baudolino
People are going hysterical for a hypothetical perceived future day where they might experience MT for gameplay enhancing items- why don`t people actually save these complaints until something like that ACTUALLY happens.
a painted scorpion for pure AUR was scheduled for August.

San Severina
Minmatar
Posted - 2011.06.24 12:59:00 - [27]
 

Originally by: Siestre Vitale
Originally by: Captain Futur3
I quote myself here:

Quote:
Why are microtransactions needed in a game where i have to pay 15 Euro per account? So far, only free to play games have microtransactions (with very very very few exceptions) and it feels like a pure ripoff!
The sense behind microtransactions is to pay the developerss for their work, but we are already paying for THREE developer teams working on 2 other games than eve. And all of them are bigger than the Eve Developer team. So isnt it time to give us something back in terms of some HUGE addon? Just for an example, you did 2 new ship models in 3 expansions, this clearly shows ME that you just dont care about eve anymore.
I bet 10 billion ISK that in the same time, you created about 100 new (at least as complex as the maller) models for the other games.

Please answer this question. I will bump and repeat it until some dev says something about this.

PS: I dont care about vanity items in general, but i care about the work that is going in the developement of this while there are obviously thousand other more important things to do. Eve needs the artists creating clothes for the remodelling of spaceships!

The idea behind micro transactions is that games, which are for free have some source of money to pay the developers. But we already pay for so many and even when some people say that we dont need to buy the items, we already bought them because we paid for their developement. Fact is, that only very vew people are working on Eve and now you even moved some of them to create vanity items and stuff like that where there is so much else to do? You cant be serious... Eve is already a ripoff because we pay for Eve, World of Darkness and Dust together!



how many other 15 euro a month MMO's give you free expansions? just curious


They can't charge extra for compulsory expansions, not how it works. The idea of comparing EvE to other MMO's is laughable anyway. It used to be it's uniqueness that attracted people. obviously you haven't made that connection in you rush to troll instead of use the putrid mess you call a brain.Cool

Sragir
Kshatriyas
Posted - 2011.06.24 13:00:00 - [28]
 

Originally by: Zarus Alexander
Edited by: Zarus Alexander on 24/06/2011 12:41:53
No. Not one person I know in-game, and that's a lot of people, in my corp, factional warfare group, and out of corp friends, could care less about it all as long as they can still violence each others boats.


You all will care, when it is too late. The day when players will wreck havoc on you, your corp and factional warfare group with their undestructable ships and T3 ammo bought from the store.

Beware of the South Asian invasion.

Spike Larosse
RSP Enterprises
Posted - 2011.06.24 13:02:00 - [29]
 

Edited by: Spike Larosse on 24/06/2011 13:05:10
Originally by: Baudolino

If you don`t like your avatar then turn of the station environment.

If you don`t like vanity items then don`t buy them.


People are going hysterical for a hypothetical perceived future day where they might experience MT for gameplay enhancing items- why don`t people actually save these complaints until something like that ACTUALLY happens. MT is for vanity items that have no impact on gameplay what so ever. Until that changes there is really no point in childish screaming.

You can`t fault a company for having an internal discussion on company matters- only their actualy decisions that you might disagree with. If anything CCP should be lauded for having open deliberations on such sensitive issues.

If you think Aurum prices are too high then say so, don`t confuse it with MT supposedly ruining the game.

Personally i think all you people screaming your heads off in the forums are succumbing to a mass hyseteria of epic proportions while purporting some insult that is really only a misunderstanding and misrepresentation of what is actually going on.

Get a grip people..


Ok, I'll bite.

Sure, there is forum rage going around. In some instances perhaps excessive. But there is a valid foundation to the concern.

It is however NOT a matter of "if you don't want it, don't use it".

A lot of people have joined, played and enjoyed EVE because it is an internet spaceship MMO. With what's going on now, we're effectively paying our subscribtion money towards development of features that we not only don't consider valuable for an internet spaceship game, but to use the new content fully, we will have to pay even more! So we're basically paying to get to pay more for stuff we don't want, for stuff we feel is not in line with the vision of EVE at all.

I've not been as active lately as I used to be, but I've had no problems catching up and following relevant development regarding ship/weapon/module balancing, 0.0/PvP and PvE content development, simply because it has progressed at a shockingly low pace. All the revelational cross platform stuff and ambulation may sound pretty impressive, but when it comes down to the simple question "does it give me, a simple EVE PvPer that wants to keep shooting ships, any more for my subscription money?", the answer is no. Frustration.

Enter the leaked document, which so blatantly outlines what CCP internally, or at least strong fractions of it, think of their game, community and market possibilities. Sure, if you're cynical you can say all companies see it this way. But for many this was a confirmation of a concern that has been growing over a long time. Seriously, do you think people would come here raging to this extent over an isolated issue, with pent up frustration from god knows where? I myself am a scarse forum visitor, but this thing has thrown me out here for one last bang before moving on. There are relevant issues to be adressed. What's EVE going to be in the future? If the focus is not on balancing, and enhancing 0.0, PvP, adding new space and ship related content, then OK. But I want to hear that straight to my face, and then I will move on, not looking back.

When a leading authority clearly wants to microtransactionalize "more than vanity items", when we've moved out of space into stations, it is not the time to sit back and kindly ask for a small discount on those monocles, for which development you paid with your subscription. It is the time to man the barricades and ask questions.

Cidwm
Posted - 2011.06.24 13:06:00 - [30]
 

Originally by: Glyken Touchon
Originally by: Baudolino
People are going hysterical for a hypothetical perceived future day where they might experience MT for gameplay enhancing items- why don`t people actually save these complaints until something like that ACTUALLY happens.
a painted scorpion for pure AUR was scheduled for August.


and with Aur prices as they are, that same scorp is likely to cost billions of ISK to even get your hands on for a re-skin. I agree that an exchange of Ship+Aur for it is more appropriate. Still doesnt change the fact your paying well over the odds for the same battleship with a different colour


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