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Iulia Badr Marinela
Posted - 2011.06.24 12:59:00 - [61]
 

I guess 278.778 views on the latest threadnaught (and still rising) is probably just a handful of people. I'd say 10, tops.

Tirus Keth
Revenent Defence Corperation
Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive
Posted - 2011.06.24 13:00:00 - [62]
 

Agree with the OP, hell Id even go further and say that most people dont even really mind MT that much, not strongly in favour of it, but meh, I could spare a few dollars now and then.

Of course if we were to talk MT in more game changing aspects it would need to lose the subscription fee, but thats something to be discussed for later.


Also, please remember that the usual forum troll ranting is a human failure living of the social and would be a good reason to reinstitute eugenics... but im drifting there.


There is a lot wrong with eve (balance, etc..) but walking in stations and vanity items for aurum isnt it.

Foralai Altrus
Posted - 2011.06.24 13:01:00 - [63]
 

The majority so to speak in reference to the op hasn't found out what is going on.. yet.

Wait till a week passes and then speak, when word had spread through the playerbase

WlliamRyker
Posted - 2011.06.24 13:02:00 - [64]
 


Shi'ki
Posted - 2011.06.24 13:02:00 - [65]
 

Yep the majority IS happy, most players of EVE dont even know whats going on here now.

You can say whatever you want, but you are wrong if you do not agree on this. Just log in and see for yourself.

Oh... sorry i forgot your computers are to ****ty to play Incarna, and youre too narrow-minded to understand NEX is still in its testing phase.


Fredfredbug4
Posted - 2011.06.24 13:02:00 - [66]
 

Edited by: Fredfredbug4 on 24/06/2011 13:03:22
The sole existence of official game forums is for people to complain and whine to the game makers while thinking that they are actually taking their essays on why they hate the new update seriously.

But you are right. Most people DO like the new update. Out of the people who play EVE only a small percent actually post on the forums and an even smaller percent use the forums for things other than finding a corp/ recruiting or buying/selling.

Hell, when I talk to some people in chat about the forums, they say "What forums?"


Alexis Sachs
Posted - 2011.06.24 13:02:00 - [67]
 

Originally by: Iulia Badr Marinela
I guess 278.778 views on the latest threadnaught (and still rising) is probably just a handful of people. I'd say 10, tops.


As I've said, it's just 4 of us. You're obviously one of my alts.

Sragir
Kshatriyas
Posted - 2011.06.24 13:08:00 - [68]
 

Originally by: Sir Asterix
I agree with the OP. Out of all the people in my alliance only one has voiced displeasure over the new expansion.




And which alliance is that? 2 members?

Bullyboutya
Minmatar
Taxxon Industrial Enterprises
Posted - 2011.06.24 13:19:00 - [69]
 

Originally by: Xtreem
maybe we all hang in different groups, however I logged in, I am in 4 chat chans and corp, i ask in all, so guys how you finding your station, 2 of the chans did not reply, 1 in corp said rubbish, and 1 in chan said "best bit is turning it off"

over the evening a few others were either not bothered about it at all, and one said, yeah its cool but boring fast.

although this is a mixed response the last time i logged in after patch day all the chans were full of people, good bad or indifferent all trying the patch, this time the server showed 20k less people than i expected, and all the chans were dead.

I would say people going mental over being all bad about it is not bad, the bad thing is so many people logged in, disliked and just did not bother again.. that is a damning statment.


I don't know but when I logged on last night and played we had 45,000 people on. I guess they played despite CQ lol :) Real talk only miserable people post on the forums go on any game forum and you have more crying the praise.

The only thing CCP have to be worried about are the people who are actually terminated their accounts. I have no problems with CQ and I agree with the OP. It's the first step in getting EVE ready for Dust.

We are going to be playing with folks from the PS3 something people seem to forget around here.

Herping yourDerp
Posted - 2011.06.24 13:20:00 - [70]
 

i'd be "happy" if CQ was optional like incarna itself was said to be for years.

Norian Lonark
Gallente
Black Thorne Corporation
Black Thorne Alliance
Posted - 2011.06.24 13:25:00 - [71]
 

Originally by: Kira Phyrexia
Edited by: Kira Phyrexia on 24/06/2011 11:17:24
Incarna even though it may be lacking content is still a good release. From what i have read most of the man hours in the development of Incarna were put into re-writing the coding for many aspects of the game. The players will not even see these changes. This initial patch of Incarna has sown the seeds of future development and has allowed for the cross platform cross gaming technology to get rolling. This (if they can actually pull it off) will be an amazing feat of game technology and CCP will change the future of gaming.

From talking to my corp mates and my contacts there are few who dislike the new patch, yes it has some issues and the internal memo was appalling along with the way the people who have had problems have been mistreated. However the majority I have spoken too are really enjoying it. These people have no problems with the Incarna patch and have no wish to look at the forums or even post, hence we get the pitch fork madness on the forums that has occurred.

There is one issue however that will change my mind on the next patch if CCP do release ships, items, modules etc on to the MT. The clothing I have no problem with, its just clothing they do not give an advantage. If people with that much expendable income wish to buy one, then go for it, its your money. I don't get jealous of people in real life driving around in fancy cars because they earned them and neither should anyone else. The problem lies in that CCP plan to add in game items into this MT stuff. I strongly agree that this is a BAD idea and should not be implemented.

Overall I have no problem with the release as is and am quite happy with it. Looking forward to the content that will come out in the next few months because of this patch as long as CCP listen to its clients, and support those in need. (seriously I had much more faith in your customer support even though at this time I personally don't need it but others do.)

Kira (alt)


I underlined what I think the majority of the rage is about just to try and make it simple for you.

Sirinda
Posted - 2011.06.24 13:25:00 - [72]
 

Originally by: Sir Asterix
I agree with the OP. Out of all the people in my alliance only one has voiced displeasure over the new expansion.




I don't really mind the new features either. Turrets, CQ...but why did they have to soil it by adding to it the disease that is the NeX store?

One has to discriminate between the two.

CQ, new turrets and effects = good

NeX store, prices therein = Utter bull****.

Kai'il Bhaal
Posted - 2011.06.24 13:31:00 - [73]
 

Edited by: Kai''il Bhaal on 24/06/2011 13:31:16
Originally by: Norian Lonark
Originally by: Kira Phyrexia
Edited by: Kira Phyrexia on 24/06/2011 11:17:24
Incarna even though it may be lacking content is still a good release. From what i have read most of the man hours in the development of Incarna were put into re-writing the coding for many aspects of the game. The players will not even see these changes. This initial patch of Incarna has sown the seeds of future development and has allowed for the cross platform cross gaming technology to get rolling. This (if they can actually pull it off) will be an amazing feat of game technology and CCP will change the future of gaming.

From talking to my corp mates and my contacts there are few who dislike the new patch, yes it has some issues and the internal memo was appalling along with the way the people who have had problems have been mistreated. However the majority I have spoken too are really enjoying it. These people have no problems with the Incarna patch and have no wish to look at the forums or even post, hence we get the pitch fork madness on the forums that has occurred.

There is one issue however that will change my mind on the next patch if CCP do release ships, items, modules etc on to the MT. The clothing I have no problem with, its just clothing they do not give an advantage. If people with that much expendable income wish to buy one, then go for it, its your money. I don't get jealous of people in real life driving around in fancy cars because they earned them and neither should anyone else. The problem lies in that CCP plan to add in game items into this MT stuff. I strongly agree that this is a BAD idea and should not be implemented.

Overall I have no problem with the release as is and am quite happy with it. Looking forward to the content that will come out in the next few months because of this patch as long as CCP listen to its clients, and support those in need. (seriously I had much more faith in your customer support even though at this time I personally don't need it but others do.)

Kira (alt)


I underlined what I think the majority of the rage is about just to try and make it simple for you.


They don't plan to add it. It was a discussion. Learn to reading comprehension. There was no time line. Nothing set in stone.

robbyx
Posted - 2011.06.24 13:33:00 - [74]
 

Originally by: Shi'ki
Yep the majority IS happy, most players of EVE dont even know whats going on here now.

You can say whatever you want, but you are wrong if you do not agree on this. Just log in and see for yourself.

Oh... sorry i forgot your computers are to ****ty to play Incarna, and youre too narrow-minded to understand NEX is still in its testing phase.




Ah, another clueless simpleton who cant see beyond his own selfishness...most players dont know "yet" because they dont read the forums, or are just to ignorant to know whats going on or where this is headed.

You are aware they CCP "now" publicly stated that they see you as nothing but a cash cow (their words) to be milked for all the money they can squeeze from you right ?

You are also aware CCP "now" has publicly stated that MT for in game advantages will happen right ?

You are also aware of CCP's track record for making grand plans for expansions then just forgetting about them half finished right ?

Do some reading and get a freaking clue...the "whiners" are trying to save EVE from imploding, or worse, turning into WoW in space.

Norian Lonark
Gallente
Black Thorne Corporation
Black Thorne Alliance
Posted - 2011.06.24 13:35:00 - [75]
 

Edited by: Norian Lonark on 24/06/2011 13:35:37
Originally by: Kai'il Bhaal


They don't plan to add it. It was a discussion. Learn to reading comprehension. There was no time line. Nothing set in stone.


Did you not see the title of the document, did you not think the discussion was heavily weighted in the favour of moving forward with MT?

Anyone who is against MT ruining EVE needs to voice their opinion now in the hope that the lead game designer gets it round his head that this is not what the community wants or what the game needs.

Thats why so many people are voicing their opinion its what a forum is for, if you want MT fine speak up.


Apocryphal Noise
Posted - 2011.06.24 13:40:00 - [76]
 

Originally by: Kira Phyrexia
Edited by: Kira Phyrexia on 24/06/2011 11:17:24
Incarna even though it may be lacking content is still a good release. From what i have read most of the man hours in the development of Incarna were put into re-writing the coding for many aspects of the game. The players will not even see these changes. This initial patch of Incarna has sown the seeds of future development and has allowed for the cross platform cross gaming technology to get rolling. This (if they can actually pull it off) will be an amazing feat of game technology and CCP will change the future of gaming.

From talking to my corp mates and my contacts there are few who dislike the new patch, yes it has some issues and the internal memo was appalling along with the way the people who have had problems have been mistreated. However the majority I have spoken too are really enjoying it. These people have no problems with the Incarna patch and have no wish to look at the forums or even post, hence we get the pitch fork madness on the forums that has occurred.

There is one issue however that will change my mind on the next patch if CCP do release ships, items, modules etc on to the MT. The clothing I have no problem with, its just clothing they do not give an advantage. If people with that much expendable income wish to buy one, then go for it, its your money. I don't get jealous of people in real life driving around in fancy cars because they earned them and neither should anyone else. The problem lies in that CCP plan to add in game items into this MT stuff. I strongly agree that this is a BAD idea and should not be implemented.

Overall I have no problem with the release as is and am quite happy with it. Looking forward to the content that will come out in the next few months because of this patch as long as CCP listen to its clients, and support those in need. (seriously I had much more faith in your customer support even though at this time I personally don't need it but others do.)

Kira (alt)


Oh nice, so you talk to a few corp mates and then consider it the majority. Alright boys, throw down your arms, this anecdotal evidence has shown us the error of our ways.























You are literally ******ed.

Apocryphal Noise
Posted - 2011.06.24 13:43:00 - [77]
 

Originally by: WlliamRyker
OP:
Please visit your user settings to re-enable images.


Loooooooooooooooooooooooooooooool.


I would +rep you but sadly this forum is a piece of ****.

LarpingBard
Posted - 2011.06.24 13:43:00 - [78]
 

Originally by: Aphos Starslicer
Agreed. I hardly hear any complains ingame.

But these forums are usually the dregs of the playerbase so what can you expect.


Since Incarna broke the game for a good chunk of the base, many cannot even complain in game.

JC Anderson
Caldari
Noir.
Noir. Mercenary Group
Posted - 2011.06.24 13:43:00 - [79]
 

Ok, I should start by saying that I am normally one to constantly remind people that those of us who actually use these forums make up a slim minority of the total EVE subscribers.

This situation is MUCH different in so many ways, and we can look at the reaction to it externally and internally to see this. Keep in mind that I love Incarna and can't wait to see what it brings in the future. I have always supported the idea. I also don't mind the NEX in purpose... But the prices are another matter.

However, what really annoyed me was the leaked memo that has now been authenticated by CCP Pann. And I believe a large portion of normally pro Incarna subscribers share this annoyance with me. Otherwise we wouldn't be seeing CCP's recent steps to serve as damage control.

For one, CCP felt the need to apologize to the community, which isn't exactly standard operating procedure for them. Let's take a few lines from CCP Pann's thread.

Originally by: CCP Pann

I would be lying if I said that whatís happening now didnít make me sad, but Iím not here to ask for your sympathy. To be perfectly honest, Iím here to buy time while we try to sort things out. No sense in lying about it so I'll call a spade a spade.


They feel the need to "buy time", which isn't something you would see unless there was a fairly large portion of players that are upset over all of this. That and/or an unusual numbers of people who have already cancelled their subscriptions. That line alone suggests that CCP is actually worried over the community outcry.

Originally by: CCP Pann

Itís clear that many of you are <understatement alert> angry </alert>.


Again, a suggestion that the discontent CCP is seeing right now is worthy of special recognition above and beyond the norm.

Originally by: CCP Pann

Can I please count on at least some of you to help bring the pitchforks and torches down a few notches?


More of the same, suggesting this situation is a bit more than they expected.

Besides this, look at the slew of negative press going out over this. This is also unlike prior issues in EVE in that it's wide-spread. And the list below is actually only a small amount of the total articles that have been published about this.

http://www.pcgamer.com/2011/06/22/eve-online-now-sells-70-monocles/

http://www.kotaku.com.au/2011/06/eve-online-is-selling-horse-armour-in-space/

http://massively.joystiq.com/2011/06/21/controversy-brewing-over-eve-online-microtransactions/

http://www.tentonhammer.com/eve/news/eve-incarna-cosmetic-item-prices-spark-controversy

http://www.rockpapershotgun.com/2011/06/22/eek-eves-clothing-and-cash-crisis/

http://games.on.net/article/12949/CCP_Under_Fire_Over_Microtransactions_Licensing_Fees

http://www.evenews24.com/2011/06/22/greed-is-good-purportedly-leaked-internal-bulletin-shows-ccps-refreshing-new-direction/

http://www.vg247.com/2011/06/22/eve-online-economy-upset-by-avatar-items/

http://blog.mmoga.com/2011/06/eve-online-charging-68-real-dollars-for-space-monocles/

http://massively.joystiq.com/2011/06/22/rumour-leaked-document-shows-ccps-microtransaction-plans/

http://www.gbgamer.net/2011/06/22/eve-online-economy-upset-by-avatar-items/



Trig Onami
Caldari
Onami Corporation
Posted - 2011.06.24 13:51:00 - [80]
 

Originally by: Lelob
300+ pages of threadanught+hanger-on-thread's in the first 3 pages of EVE General Discussion appear to disagree with you.


300 pages of the same 120 people posting 500 times each sounds about right, yes.

Spurty
Caldari
V0LTA
VOLTA Corp
Posted - 2011.06.24 13:52:00 - [81]
 

Edited by: Spurty on 24/06/2011 13:55:39
Dear CCP please add preparation H to the game. It can act like nanite repair paste for the butt hurting whiners.

I watch and read the drivel and find much to smile at as peoples underwear scrunches up over every patch.

Never stop posting

Originally by: Trig Onami
Originally by: Lelob
300+ pages of threadanught+hanger-on-thread's in the first 3 pages of EVE General Discussion appear to disagree with you.


300 pages of the same 120 people posting 500 times each sounds about right, yes.


Hitting F5 to pump view count every 5 seconds as well

Rakamy
Quantum Cats Syndicate
Posted - 2011.06.24 14:03:00 - [82]
 

The problem, is that no-mater how many positives people like you and me say there are 50 whiners ready to flame it into oblivion. The people who actually like incarna need to start posting instead of just sitting back while the whiners flame away at it because there crappy ass computers cant run something they need for 2 months was coming.

Tahnil
GNADE Inc.
Posted - 2011.06.24 14:13:00 - [83]
 

I think CCP ist not blind and dumb. They won't change their corporate strategy and their EVE strategy because of some complainers, haters, and spammers. They will have a look at subscriber numbers. If they are rising, then Incarna is a success. If they are falling, it's a failure. There may be 50, 100, even 500 or 1,000 people quitting EVE for good Ė but if Incarna delivers what a lot of people believe is possible, those numbers will be meaningless.

CCP is trying to open up the game for a lot of new customers. I appreciate this!

With regards to Micro Transactions: as long as I can buy all items with in game currency, MT is no problem for me. I started this game in 2009, and never since then I had the impression that you CAN'T buy advantages. Faction stuff, Officer items, etc. All of which grants you advantages over other players, and you can buy this stuff with PLEX. From my point of view Micro Transactions have been around all the time. It's all shades of grey.

Hecate Shaw
Caldari
United Freemerchants Society
Posted - 2011.06.24 14:22:00 - [84]
 

Edited by: Hecate Shaw on 24/06/2011 14:37:37
I've read quite a bit of the threadnought, and I have to say that the reading comprehension is horrible. I've also read the leaked memo, and think that while I'm not impressed with CCP's attitude, the problem isn't anywhere near as major as some seem to think. A company will seek revenue, it's the nature of the beast. I AM concerned about the idea of game-affecting items being sold in NeX if the subscription price isn't dropped, but that hasn't happened yet, and my read of the memo is that it won't happen that soon. Frankly, I'd like to see them put out paint jobs and special appearances as BPC's or that you have to trade a ship for, both of which were discussed in dev statements before the expansion actually hit. If it's done that way, well, I guess I'm cool with it. I just hope they don't expect too many sales if the prices remain where they are.

I honestly think that more of the ragequits are being caused by poor reading comprehension and second-hand misinformation than actual correctly-directed anger. There really isn't anything to get quite THAT angry with, yet. Time will tell. I honestly vote with those who think apathy is the majority position. All of this is just talk - let's blow some **** up. (ETA - in game, of course.)

Tarpedo
Posted - 2011.06.24 14:27:00 - [85]
 

I wouldn't describe myself as "happy": I like Incarna - except for $70 monocles. I don't want developers and marketing and economics teams waste their time developing items I never ever purchase/use. Seeing they are turning into that direction is somewhat disturbing.

OT Smithers
Posted - 2011.06.24 14:34:00 - [86]
 

I know of only one person upset with all this, the rest seem to be like me -- indifferent or enthusiastic.

And as for that one, I believe that his concerns are groundless. I think he is a bit caught up in the old-*** bitter vet forum hysteria.

Afale II
Space Pony Farm
Posted - 2011.06.24 14:40:00 - [87]
 

I don't get this EVE is dieing thing

Just logged on 33167 players on the Server.

Server time is 14:40

*shrug*

Lara Dantreb
New Horizons
Posted - 2011.06.24 14:44:00 - [88]
 

Originally by: Afale II
I don't get this EVE is dieing thing

Just logged on 33167 players on the Server.

Server time is 14:40

*shrug*


You are wrong Jita's local just passed from 1205 to 1201, which means 4 customers have unsubbed

Kariel Lateef
Gallente
Posted - 2011.06.24 14:49:00 - [89]
 

I agree with the OP more than 90% of Eve players don't post or read the forums, they instead (oh the horror) PLAY THE GAME. Most of the folk I have spoken too simply do not care one way or the other about Incarna, it doesn't affect them blowing up others and taking their stuff.

However the MT stuff about advantages for cash does affect them and they have voiced (as I will) their displeasure at that.

Tami Mitsuko
Posted - 2011.06.24 20:51:00 - [90]
 

+1


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