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Andreus Ixiris
Gallente
Mixed Metaphor
Posted - 2011.06.28 19:07:00 - [31]
 

Diana Kim serves as just about the best argument against State schooling and the best recruitment poster for the Federal Defence Union you could possibly ask for in one person.

Kudlow N'cramer
World Eaters Excavation
Posted - 2011.06.28 19:33:00 - [32]
 

Originally by: Andreus Ixiris
Diana Kim serves as just about the best argument against State schooling and the best recruitment poster for the Federal Defence Union you could possibly ask for in one person.

You need to grab a gun and get back in the fight. Federal Intaki needs you!

Mammal Tafren
Gallente
Intaki Liberation Front
Intaki Prosperity Initiative
Posted - 2011.06.28 21:28:00 - [33]
 

Edited by: Mammal Tafren on 29/06/2011 12:22:45
At times like this I am reminded of the words of a wise Amarrian woman who told me regarding a former enterprise of mine that if one tries to please everyone, one ends up pleasing no-one.

This has been a course pursued by the Intaki Liberation Front with regards to Militia forces, and the result has been predictable. The ILF is a group which, unusually for New Eden, is much more interested in cultivating friends and promoting understanding and discourse than in sowing discord and seeking enemies.

However, this is not enough for some. Take the example of my good friend Seriphyn. Despite the co-operation that our two organisations have shared, despite our, I hope, mutual personal regard, he calls out the Intaki Liberation Front with hope of shaming us into entering the conflict.

Then you have the STPRO forces. Despite our friendship with some elements of these groups, there has been a great deal of belligerence from STPRO members towards ILF personnel, including attempted attacks on gate. And now my good friend Damar tells us that our blue status will be meaningless if we respond to this belligerence from STPRO members with force.

No mattter what we offer these people, it will never be enough. Both sides try to force our hand one way or the other, in hopes of securing Intaki for themselves.

But we will not be bullied.

The last time ILF personnel became involved in this conflict sullied our reputation for years, despite the fact that the pilots involved were acting without the knowledge of their superiors and were subsquently kicked from the corporation.

And now FDU members call on us to do what members of the FDU castigated us for years for doing. This strikes me as hypocrisy.

Our position on Faction Warfare in Intaki is still under discussion, but I'll wager if our involvement changes, it will not be in a way that makes any militia pilot pleased.

Edit: For embarassing typo

Valdezi
Amarr
Intaki Security and Intelligence
Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive
Posted - 2011.06.28 21:37:00 - [34]
 

Originally by: Damar Rocarion
I believe it was resolved quite clearly by Mr. Revenent when I said that if I am leading a fleet, I would not respect blue status if I-RED sees it fit to attack my fleet members. Revent said something along the lines "You do what you want, we do what we want but dont expect those blues for long". This conversation took place few hours after pilot Valdezi had figured it would be a brilliant idea to rush a frigate gang with a Devoter class heavy interdictor.


Yeah it's awesome getting bumped and yellowboxed by Kill-on-sight pirates who happen to be in Damar's fleet and then betrayed by blues.

I should have been more cautious. That's okay, though, I took the price of my devoter and then some winning the Battle of Agoze.

Of course, everyone knows what blue with Damar is worth now, don't they? You are a dog, and you owe me 200-odd million in blood money. Not that I expect to see it. You've proven that you have very little moral courage.

Creetalor
Caldari
Revenent Defence Corperation
Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive
Posted - 2011.06.28 23:41:00 - [35]
 

Edited by: Creetalor on 28/06/2011 23:42:10
I do not deny my act of destroying your cynosoral field creating kestrel, we were at the time in a Concord sanctioned war with The Inglorious-Basterds of which I informed you the day prior.

When the cynosoral field went active I warped to it seeing yourself and a Hurricane class Battlecruiser of our enemy I did not activly fire upon you until I saw with my own eyes the Chimera class Carrier undock again from the Inglorious Basterds with the same Name markings as the one who appeared on scan when the field opened up. I then fired and destroyed your vessel for activly supporting a enemy of ours, we have long in our past had the need to adapt the ROE in a cases such as this due to the increase of contracted cynosoral fields by neutral parties.

Neutral pilots who cyno in Wartarget or known pirate carriers are fired upon and destroyed to ensure that logistical passage hindered as much as possible and to further disrupt continuing cynosoral logistics!

Dex Nederland
Caldari
Lai Dai Infinity Systems
Posted - 2011.06.29 04:06:00 - [36]
 

Lai Dai Infinity Systems applauds Ishuk-Raata's continued efforts to spread Caldari ideals, culture, and open wider markets to Caldari goods, but Ishuk-Raata's continued conflict with State supporting capsuleer paramilitary corporations, to include privateers, seems counter-productive to enabling Ishukone's freedom of action in those areas of interest.

It would seem that if Ishuk-Raata was truly interested in enabling Ishukone to act without having to bend to the demands of far-off Federal politicians, more interested in marginalizing Placid development in order to fund some grandiose local stunt project to ensure their own re-election, Ishuk-Raata would make every effort to minimize its impact on the efforts of the State Protectorate and its allied forces.

Some of the State's corporations may commit acts of piracy, but CONCORD does not distinguish between those who are truly neutral and those utilizing the flag of a neutral corporation in order to circumvent & reduce their chances of being targeted, as I am sure Ishuk-Raata is well aware.

It is clear that communication between the State's supporters is necessary, such that it is clear when a corporation is falsely using the State's flag to commit piracy.

Again, LDIS wishes Ishuk-Raata the best of luck in expanding its, Ishukone's, and Caldari influence in Placid and Syndicate.

Diana Kim
Caldari
Wolfsbrigade
Posted - 2011.06.29 05:14:00 - [37]
 

Originally by: Nausea

Ah, so, your goals can mostly be summarised as 'Nice system, we'l take it'?


There are many systems, which are much more 'nicer' (and even easier) to take. You must understand, that Intaki is Federation system. It supports Federation (most of other Intakis, who support State already joined us, and those looking for freedom fled to lawless chaos of Syndicate space), and it provides resources for Federation. What we will do is to cut resources supply to Federation and to redirect it towards Ishukone corporation. We do not fight for Intaki or against Intaki. Our enemy is the Federation and its supporters.

Originally by: Mammal Tafren
No mattter what we offer these people, it will never be enough. Both sides try to force our hand one way or the other, in hopes of securing Intaki for themselves.

We cannot fight for interests of Intaki, because they are aligned in three different directions. Although, there are many Intaki, who joined the State. It is their 'Caldari Prime', and taking back their system from federation claws will strengthen their spirits. Despite liberation of Intaki system lacks scale to become national idea like Caldari Prime, we cannot fail them, because now they are Caldari too.

Originally by: Dex Nederland
Lai Dai Infinity Systems applauds Ishuk-Raata's continued efforts to spread Caldari ideals, culture, and open wider markets to Caldari goods, but Ishuk-Raata's continued conflict with State supporting capsuleer paramilitary corporations, to include privateers, seems counter-productive to enabling Ishukone's freedom of action in those areas of interest.

You should watch carefully to whom you applaud. Just three hours ago at 0200 in Renarelle system Johns' gang attacked Caldari patrol. I-RED retreated with heavy losses and, luckily, none of State ships were destroyed.

Originally by: Dex Nederland

Some of the State's corporations may commit acts of piracy, but CONCORD does not distinguish between those who are truly neutral and those utilizing the flag of a neutral corporation in order to circumvent & reduce their chances of being targeted, as I am sure Ishuk-Raata is well aware.


Piracy in STPRO is sorrowful, but, unfortunately, unavoidable occurrence. Neither Caldari forces alone, nor any third party can put an end to this. Let this remain internal affair of Caldari military, with any third party trying to intervene will be dealt with as enemy of the State.
However there are kill rights and global aggression timers, and if you are offended by Protectorate member - fight back, track him, destroy his ship - and the State will only say thanks to you. But if you will find him in fleet, be aware, that attacking fleet member means attacking the whole fleet. And attacking fleet of the State means attacking the State.

D.Kim, Colonel

John Revenent
Caldari
Revenent Defence Corperation
Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive
Posted - 2011.06.29 06:28:00 - [38]
 

Edited by: John Revenent on 29/06/2011 06:28:41
Originally by: Diana Kim

You should watch carefully to whom you applaud. Just three hours ago at 0200 in Renarelle system Johns' gang defended itself from a larger Provist force.



Fixed.

Originally by: Diana Kim

Piracy in STPRO is sorrowful, but, unfortunately, unavoidable occurrence. Neither Caldari forces alone, nor any third party can put an end to this. Let this remain internal affair of Caldari military, with any third party trying to intervene will be dealt with as enemy of the Protectorate.



Fixed as well.


Diana Kim
Caldari
Wolfsbrigade
Posted - 2011.06.29 07:32:00 - [39]
 

Originally by: John Revenent

Originally by: Diana Kim

You should watch carefully to whom you applaud. Just three hours ago at 0200 in Renarelle system Johns' gang defended itself from a larger Provist force.



Fixed.


"defended itself"? I thought you were there too, or an imposer sat in your harbinger? It is I-RED fleet that made the first shot and received the hell in answer. We didn't attack you, but we knew you might attack us and were ready. And so you did. Enjoy your tea.

Incineratingly yours,
D.Kim, Colonel

Mammal Tafren
Gallente
Intaki Liberation Front
Intaki Prosperity Initiative
Posted - 2011.06.29 09:13:00 - [40]
 

Originally by: Diana Kim

We cannot fight for interests of Intaki, because they are aligned in three different directions. Although, there are many Intaki, who joined the State. It is their 'Caldari Prime', and taking back their system from federation claws will strengthen their spirits. Despite liberation of Intaki system lacks scale to become national idea like Caldari Prime, we cannot fail them, because now they are Caldari too.


Diana,

I'll thank you not to comment about the interests of Intaki. Do not pretend to be interested in the Intaki people; if that were the case you would respect the requests of the Assembly and take your war elsewhere. Intaki is a piece on the game board to you people, a possession to be had. We will not be had, not by the State, not ever. Intaki belongs to the Intaki people. Leave our system alone.

Andreus Ixiris
Gallente
Mixed Metaphor
Posted - 2011.06.29 09:27:00 - [41]
 

Aria Jenneth believes it is my intent to trick the IPI into choosing a side in this conflict.

Not so.

Even if I had that intent, I wouldn't need to take any action at all. Diana Kim, Damar Rocarion - your callous arrogance is doing a better job than I ever could.

Nausea
Veto.
Veto Corp
Posted - 2011.06.29 10:05:00 - [42]
 

Originally by: Mammal Tafren

(...)
Intaki is a piece on the game board to you people, a possession to be had.
(...)



I rather think that attitude is applied to pretty much every system involved in this conflict, it's just they don't have several capsuleer organisations trying to champion their cause.

Mammal Tafren
Gallente
Intaki Liberation Front
Intaki Prosperity Initiative
Posted - 2011.06.29 11:59:00 - [43]
 

Originally by: Nausea
I rather think that attitude is applied to pretty much every system involved in this conflict, it's just they don't have several capsuleer organisations trying to champion their cause.


You are undoubtedly correct.

Seriphyn Inhonores
Gallente
Eleutherian Guard
Posted - 2011.06.29 12:09:00 - [44]
 

Edited by: Seriphyn Inhonores on 29/06/2011 12:10:51
I'll take a moment to comment on the idea of the "pieces on the gameboard" motif.

Historically, Placid has had the least amount of central influence from Villore, with Federal bodies such as the Administration and Navy only being found in the far south and western reaches of the region. Admittedly, this changed with the outbreak of war, which saw the Federation deploy several military units both on the ground and in space. While exerting no political influence, the presence of the Federation, even if it does not infer much, is obviously always unwelcomed in a country where government interference is mostly seen as meddling.

When the State Protectorate overran the region and adjacent constellations, followed by Tibus Heth's wholesale annexation to the Caldari megacorps, we saw regime changes on almost every planet, industrial and economic exploitation, communication blackouts, and everything that entails a foreign military occupation (not an exclusive behavioural trait of the Caldari in any respect). Our goal in the FDU is to ensure this does not happen again, that the people of the Federal Defence Cordon can live their lives without fear of corporate oppression and subjugation. The FDU is not an arm of Villore or President Roden either, and we have actively criticized previous actions of the current Presidency. Our mandate is to defend, not maintain meddling Federal influence.

Our belief regarding Intaki is simple; there will be no Intaki Sovereignty, no Intaki Independence or no Intaki Freedom of any kind under the guns of foreign warships. The State are fully aware that the vast majority of Intakis are not "friends" to the Caldari, and they will not pretend to act as liberators and saviours. Other than Executor Heth, the Caldari megacorporations are corporations; they do not behave sentimentally and ideologically, but act in what is in the best military and economic interests of the State. After all, Heth's blind auction wasn't a political, social and cultural annexation, but purely concerned with economic opportunities. Profit is what motivates any megacorporation.

Andreus Ixiris
Gallente
Mixed Metaphor
Posted - 2011.06.29 13:21:00 - [45]
 

Another lie often told by pilots flying the State Protectorate flag is that the reoccupation of the Intaki system will somehow aid the Ishukone corporation. The Ishukone corporation's deal with the Intaki system is, unlike the "rights" sold off by Heth's entirely illegal auction, enforceable under Federal law as well as State law. Ishukone gains absolutely nothing from
in an area of unusually bright shadow, slowly moving a hand towards one of bizarre architectural features in the room in which he found himself
the annexation of the system.

Diana Kim
Caldari
Wolfsbrigade
Posted - 2011.06.29 17:07:00 - [46]
 

Mammal Tafren, you didn't understand me right.

Originally by: Mammal Tafren

I'll thank you not to comment about the interests of Intaki. Do not pretend to be interested in the Intaki people;


I was telling you about Caldari interests, not Intaki. There are numerous Intaki who became citizens of the State, but obviously you are not one of them. If you want the State to care about your people, you should join the State. Do something for the State and the State will pay you back. Do nothing for the State, and the State will ignore you. This is our way. The only win-win solution is working together for mutual benefit.


Originally by: Mammal Tafren
if that were the case you would respect the requests of the Assembly and take your war elsewhere. Intaki is a piece on the game board to you people, a possession to be had. We will not be had, not by the State, not ever. Intaki belongs to the Intaki people. Leave our system alone.

Unfortunately, we can't. Because 'your' system in fact belongs not to you, but to gallente. Your position here is unenviable, and I doubt something can be done about it.

***

Seriphyn Inhonores, in your gallentish propaganda you are trying to represent everything good the State did for captured planets like undesirable. Let me explain you on this matter.

Originally by: Seriphyn Inhonores
we saw regime changes on almost every planet

Clowns, who were choosen by their performance for the mob, were replaced with special trained professionals, effectively improving planet management. Yes, it was regime changes.

Originally by: Seriphyn Inhonores
industrial and economic exploitation

Like opening new job vacancies and organizing corporation infrastructure. You know, for everyone it is just better when management is interested in gaining profit for corporation, not filling their pockets, like most gallentes bureaucrats do.

Originally by: Seriphyn Inhonores
communication blackouts

People suffered from excessive gallente egocentric propaganda, almost all this bull<censored> with turning facts upside down like you did in your post, was restricted.

Originally by: Seriphyn Inhonores
the Caldari megacorporations are corporations; they do not behave sentimentally and ideologically, but act in what is in the best military and economic interests of the State.

The State is the Corporations, and Corporations are the people. Although sentimental and ideological approach can improve morale, only economic interests serve peoples for real. And you are not right about sentimental and ideological behavior of corporation, since several of them apply this approach to stimulate employees.

Originally by: Seriphyn Inhonores
After all, Heth's blind auction wasn't a political, social and cultural annexation, but purely concerned with economic opportunities. Profit is what motivates any megacorporation.

Yes, profit is what motivates megacorporations, it is also what megacorporations get, and what megacorporations can offer, and what they can give.
But what Federation can offer?

Think about it.

Starr Tookus
Lai Dai Infinity Systems
Posted - 2011.06.29 19:39:00 - [47]
 

Originally by: Andreus Ixiris
Another lie often told by pilots flying the State Protectorate flag is that the reoccupation of the Intaki system will somehow aid the Ishukone corporation. The Ishukone corporation's deal with the Intaki system is, unlike the "rights" sold off by Heth's entirely illegal auction, enforceable under Federal law as well as State law. Ishukone gains absolutely nothing from the annexation of the system.

Then why did they even participate in the auction? If things are as you claim, Ishukone would have ignored it and went about their business.

You see, system exclusivity is a valued commodity for a Caldari corporation. Maybe its something the Gallente, who typically put themselves far above their corporation's stature, can not possibly understand.

Bataav
Intaki Liberation Front
Intaki Prosperity Initiative
Posted - 2011.06.29 19:50:00 - [48]
 

Col. Kim

Twice now you have referred to the positive reception those Intaki received when they chose the State over the Federation:
Originally by: Diana Kim
We cannot fight for interests of Intaki, because they are aligned in three different directions. Although, there are many Intaki, who joined the State. It is their 'Caldari Prime', and taking back their system from federation claws will strengthen their spirits. Despite liberation of Intaki system lacks scale to become national idea like Caldari Prime, we cannot fail them, because now they are Caldari too.

Originally by: Diana Kim
There are numerous Intaki who became citizens of the State, but obviously you are not one of them. If you want the State to care about your people, you should join the State. Do something for the State and the State will pay you back. Do nothing for the State, and the State will ignore you. This is our way. The only win-win solution is working together for mutual benefit.

As you appear to be in Intaki a lot recently, I invite you to speak with some of the Mordu's Legion pilots who are currently operating in the system. They might have some interesting things to tell you about State hospitality towards the Intaki who chose the State.

I'll repeat what you said as quoted above once more for you.
Originally by: Diana Kim
...we cannot fail them...

Oh, but you can.

You did.

Starr Tookus
Lai Dai Infinity Systems
Posted - 2011.06.29 20:00:00 - [49]
 

Edited by: Starr Tookus on 29/06/2011 20:00:26
Originally by: Seriphyn Inhonores
The FDU is not an arm of Villore or President Roden either, and we have actively criticized previous actions of the current Presidency. Our mandate is to defend, not maintain meddling Federal influence.


They must not have objected too hard with all the FDU corps with I-RED blue status in the recent past. (A cunning Ishukone maneuver, by the way)

But the fact you choose to ignore that makes perfect sense. The FDU is not the united band of "freedom defenders" you make it out to be. There are elements just as nefarious as the State Protectorate "pirates" I see labeled here. Given your rank, it must eat you up that you cannot unite or control them in any way.

Valdezi
Amarr
Intaki Security and Intelligence
Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive
Posted - 2011.06.29 21:35:00 - [50]
 

Originally by: Starr Tookus
Then why did they even participate in the auction? If things are as you claim, Ishukone would have ignored it and went about their business.

You see, system exclusivity is a valued commodity for a Caldari corporation. Maybe its something the Gallente, who typically put themselves far above their corporation's stature, can not possibly understand.


No, I think you misunderstand.

By actually negotiating with the Federal government rather than continue the jingoistic crusade of the provists, Ishukone ensures that regardless of actual system control, they can continue to do business unhindered.

Unhindered of course, with the exception of the 'loyal' State Protectorate pilots who destroy the Ishukone haulers outside the Astral Mining station in defiance of the Intaki Assembly's wishes that they remain untouched.

Dex Nederland
Caldari
Lai Dai Infinity Systems
Posted - 2011.06.30 00:33:00 - [51]
 

Originally by: Valdezi
Originally by: Starr Tookus
Then why did they even participate in the auction? If things are as you claim, Ishukone would have ignored it and went about their business.

You see, system exclusivity is a valued commodity for a Caldari corporation. Maybe its something the Gallente, who typically put themselves far above their corporation's stature, can not possibly understand.


No, I think you misunderstand.

By actually negotiating with the Federal government rather than continue the jingoistic crusade of the provists, Ishukone ensures that regardless of actual system control, they can continue to do business unhindered.

Unhindered of course, with the exception of the 'loyal' State Protectorate pilots who destroy the Ishukone haulers outside the Astral Mining station in defiance of the Intaki Assembly's wishes that they remain untouched.


I did not know Ishukone is content to submit itself to the laws of a government in which it has no say and consider that unhindered. Perhaps Ishukone's board would be content to have its State operations dictated by the Sukuuvestaa Corporation as well?

As for the Ishukone transport ships, does Ishukone not have an exclusive contract with the Intaki Assembly for supply of the Intaki system as part of the shipping & security franchise?

Does this include the supplying the Federal Defence Union Logistic Support station around Intaki II?

If it does either 1) those Ishukone transports are aiding enemies of the State (the FDU), 2) the Federation is violating the Intaki Assembly's rights under the Federation charter, or 3) Ishukone's shipping franchise is significantly less lucrative under Federal rule than it might otherwise be.

Teutonii
Viriette MicroLabs
Posted - 2011.06.30 02:01:00 - [52]
 

Edited by: Teutonii on 30/06/2011 02:03:01
Edited by: Teutonii on 30/06/2011 02:01:21
Originally by: Dex Nederland
As for the Ishukone transport ships, does Ishukone not have an exclusive contract with the Intaki Assembly for supply of the Intaki system as part of the shipping & security franchise?

Does this include the supplying the Federal Defence Union Logistic Support station around Intaki II?

If it does either 1) those Ishukone transports are aiding enemies of the State (the FDU), 2) the Federation is violating the Intaki Assembly's rights under the Federation charter, or 3) Ishukone's shipping franchise is significantly less lucrative under Federal rule than it might otherwise be.

I've wondered about the Ishukone contract myself. After losing the transshipment contract I'm surprised Federal Freight and Fedmart are still running their stations at what appear to be full capacity. I'd have thought they'd have been taken over by Ishukone or replaced completely by now.

Like most people living and working in Intaki though, I've not had the opportunity to read the details of the contract between the Intaki Assembly and Ishukone, but I hardly think Ishukone are going to willingly operate like some system-wide hotel porter, carrying back and forth items from the Intaki jump gates and the various stations.

I'm not aware of an Ishukone Intaki border shipping hub where vessels belonging to Astral Mining or Pend Insurance offload their commodities entering the system to be loaded onto Ishukone ships for the final stage of their journey, the reverse happening for outbound goods.

As a local corporation CEO I can tell you it doesn't sound very efficient at all.

I think it's far more likely their shipping contract services a number of planetside municipal and civilian partners and I can only assume other corporations are free to arrange their own internal haulage. I only ever see their transport ships around the Astral Mining station above the Homeworld at any rate.

[Edited for typo]

Starr Tookus
Lai Dai Infinity Systems
Posted - 2011.06.30 13:28:00 - [53]
 

Originally by: Valdezi

No, I think you misunderstand.

By actually negotiating with the Federal government rather than continue the jingoistic crusade of the provists, Ishukone ensures that regardless of actual system control, they can continue to do business unhindered.

Unhindered of course, with the exception of the 'loyal' State Protectorate pilots who destroy the Ishukone haulers outside the Astral Mining station in defiance of the Intaki Assembly's wishes that they remain untouched.


Well, I perfectly understand that you have little grasp of your parent corporation's policies and actions. You chose this opportunity to barbarically sabre-rattle against a proponent of The State.


Seriphyn Inhonores
Gallente
Eleutherian Guard
Posted - 2011.06.30 15:32:00 - [54]
 

Under Federal law, both the presence of Ishukone Corporation and Mordu's Legion are legally recognized. This is regardless of foreign military presence.

Under State law, the system is recognized as Ishukone property whenever the State Protectorate exhibit military control of the system. Intaki is regarded as Ishukone property under Tibus Heth's blind auction the same way Harroule would be regarded as CBD's, and Vlillirier belonging to Wiyrkomi.

The reality of the situation is that, even if State law defines Intaki under Caldari occupation as "Ishukone property", it is not treated as such due to Ishukone's decision to negotiate with the local authority. Meanwhile, the other megacorporations did not negotiate with the local authority, deciding to invade, conquer and regime-change.

Dex Nederland
Caldari
Lai Dai Infinity Systems
Posted - 2011.07.01 01:55:00 - [55]
 

Originally by: "Seriphyn Inhonores"
Under State law, the system is recognized as Ishukone property whenever the State Protectorate exhibit military control of the system. Intaki is regarded as Ishukone property under Tibus Heth's blind auction the same way Harroule would be regarded as CBD's, and Vlillirier belonging to Wiyrkomi.

I did not realize that in Gallente development rights translated more approximately to property and not licences or franchises.

More importantly, the utilization of an auction to divide up development rights (or liscences if you prefer that word) is not a new concept or even one the State came up with. Auctioning of development rights to corporations registered with the CEP is how any new area of State space is initially administered. The foundation of this system is the licensing system developed under Federal corporate laws.

If the Federation found itself with new areas of space to administer, how would it maintain order amongst its subordinate corporations and minimize conflict between interested corporations? I doubt it would simply let them rush in and establish a presence in a disorderly fashion; we, the Caldari and Gallente, learned those lessons hundreds of years ago.

Damar Rocarion
Posted - 2011.07.01 11:03:00 - [56]
 

We'll see how situation develops now. I was just looking for Serpentis outlaws in Intaki when I saw several of their ships execute an emergency warp-out and pretty soon, I saw the familiar spiked Sansha ships entering Intaki solar system.

May you live in interesting times....

Sakaane Eionell
Intaki Liberation Front
Posted - 2011.07.03 05:38:00 - [57]
 

Originally by: Diana Kim
Do nothing for the State, and the State will ignore you. This is our way.

Citizens in Intaki were previously doing, have been doing, and continue to do, nothing for the State, but the State is not ignoring us; rather, the State salivates over us like a mongrel dog offered steak. Why do you persist against breaking "your way" with regard to Intaki? You weren't invited; go back to that hole you crawled out of.

Andreus Ixiris
Gallente
Mixed Metaphor
Posted - 2011.07.03 11:59:00 - [58]
 

Originally by: Dex Nederland
More importantly, the utilization of an auction to divide up development rights (or liscences if you prefer that word) is not a new concept or even one the State came up with. Auctioning of development rights to corporations registered with the CEP is how any new area of State space is initially administered.


It isn't your space to auction. Get out.

Dex Nederland
Caldari
Lai Dai Infinity Systems
Posted - 2011.07.03 14:42:00 - [59]
 

Originally by: Andreus Ixiris
Originally by: Dex Nederland
More importantly, the utilization of an auction to divide up development rights (or liscences if you prefer that word) is not a new concept or even one the State came up with. Auctioning of development rights to corporations registered with the CEP is how any new area of State space is initially administered.


It isn't your space to auction.


Why is that the Gallente nationalist keep trying to portray the auction of development rights as if it is the auctioning of real estate, ship components, or ore?

The space, the planets, the moons, and asteroid belts were not auctioned. The State licenses to develop them were.

As an example, Wiyrkomi won in the auction State development rights in Vlillirier. Based on Wiyrkomi's existing four stations in the system, I think it is safe to postulate that Wiyrkomi has Federal development licenses there as well.

At some future time the Federation might extend/sell/auction off development licenses for systems in Placid as well. Sukuuvestaa might be interested in Vlillirier. Even if Sukuuvesta receives the Federal licenses for Vlillirier (alongside Wiyrkomi's existing licenses), the State contract/law applies and Wiyrkomi can dictate what Sukuvestaa is allowed to do in Vlillirier.

If the State so desires, it can auction off development rights/licenses for any space regardless of what government or tribe claims sovereignty or occupancy over the space. The development rights/licenses are a contractual agreement between the eight megacorporations of the State on "who can do what & where." If the defined volume of space falls under State sovereignty or occupancy, then that contract has significantly more importance. For a party not tied to the contract, its impact will only be felt if the State has sovereignty or occupancy of the space. When the State has sovereignty or occupancy, the development rights/licenses indicate what corporation(s) have the responsibility to administer said space as well.

Andreus Ixiris
Gallente
Mixed Metaphor
Posted - 2011.07.03 14:54:00 - [60]
 

Originally by: Dex Nederland
Why is that the Gallente nationalist keep trying to portray the auction of development rights


Spurious, easily-disprovable lies about the true nature of the auction and the actions taken by the winning corporations notwithstanding, the State did not and does not have the right to auction anything in Placid. It's not your space. Get out.


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