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Posted - 2011.06.24 11:28:00 - [2881]

Dear CCP,

Take a look at my opinion about eve and its features.

Sister Bliss
Vanishing Point.
The Initiative.
Posted - 2011.06.24 11:28:00 - [2882]

Firstly, stop thinking this is a small issue associated with Aurum, MT, Captains Quarters and such. While each of those topics is indeed an issue to be debated in their own right, the broader issue is much larger and dwarfs these entirely.

As a long term paying customer, I have seen virtually no progress towards addressing key broken mechanics and unfinshed expansions over the past 2 years! Instead we continue to pay for low value, peripheral expansions that do nothing significant to enhance the game, and only adds more clutter and unfinished content.

All of these concerns were raised by the playerbase in the 18 months thread fiasco if not before then in many cases. Recently you've announced you are just starting to look at 0.0 and other gameplay aspects. So if we look at this as an example, and with your delivery record, I would be surprised to see any meaningful expansion to Eve within the next 1.5 years that goes anywhere near addressing player expectations.

In total, this represents an almost 4 year gap between you listening to and responding to your customers comments and feedback. 4 YEARS!


It's clear that your focus is on bringing in new players, but without fixing the core mechanics which keeps players here long term, you're just treading water. The vision and creativity which we saw and belived in years ago has long since faded and died. Today even the smallest of fixes is met with cheer given how low everyones expecations have settled (this alone should make you very concerned).

As an example, you could fix the Technetium issue over a single weekend if you actually got off your ass instead of ****ing about discussing how to finance other titles and spending years working on this Incarna disgrace. Get your ****ing priorities straight.

BugraT WarheaD
Astromechanica Federatis
Posted - 2011.06.24 11:28:00 - [2883]

The worst thing in all of this is that since the Alpha, people like Soden Rah (and I) are telling CCP that they were going right into major problems if Incarna 1.0 was what we've seen on Sisi ... They laughed at us and told us that we were wrong, nobody will complain angainst CQ and Incarna 1.0 unfinished stuff.

Now here we are ...

Problem CCP ?

mobius nm
Empyrean Engineering
Posted - 2011.06.24 11:28:00 - [2884]

Edited by: mobius nm on 24/06/2011 11:28:48
Originally by: Rrama Ratamnim
Originally by: Korgoroth
I've been up all night and it's now 4:25 in the morning, and ive been hovering over the unsubscribe button waiting for the answer to the goddamn question.

What kind of Parlay is this?

dude it takes time for a corporation to form responses, its not gonna be something they just throw up and end up having to correct again, they need to get with management etc and formulate responses....

especially since most of this if they do decide to fix is changes and adjustments in there "structure" of where there going...

perhaps they thought that the NEX prices would go ahead and be accepted and that they'd be able to suck plex off the market without a huge backlash... problem is the NEX prices werent accepted and they were insane...

Incarna is there baby that they've been working on so hard, but due to a mirad of small annoyances (like i mentioned above) now its become a sore spot where people just don't want it anymore.

They've had three days.

If as a company you cannot come up with a salvage plan for a PR disaster as bad as this in three whole days, you deserve to go under.

Tehlana Riolis
Posted - 2011.06.24 11:28:00 - [2885]


Riithi Bashere
The Red Circle Inc.
Posted - 2011.06.24 11:28:00 - [2886]

Edited by: Riithi Bashere on 24/06/2011 11:31:30
CCP simply stop selling lies and promises you cannot keep or are not willing to keep.
A year ago you said no to MT, we as a community said no to MT.
And now you throw in the most ridiculous MT system in any game EVER.

Truth in the matter is that I simply do not trust you guys anymore.
Rewind back to fanfest 2009, you guys gave us a vision of how PI would be, compare to how it is now.

The direction of eve is just totally misguided, sure incarna is a nice idea and could make a nice addition to eve.
But the big problem here is that EvE itself is in dire need of maintenance, on all levels, from top to bottom.
So now you splash your cash on WoD and Dust123 and Incarna, instead of making sure your ONLY cash revenue is in tip-top form.

The internal pamphlet has shown us your real face where you plan to sell us services that where generally available before (storing 50+ fittings).
Sure it may just be a suggested idea, but it clearly shows the direction you people want to take.
To put it clear: we pay a subscription to play EvE... this is NOT a F2P game, offering services for additional money is a total no-go.
Why? perception.. it's all in the eye of the beholder. We don't want to be screwed over, simple. So we pay a subscription so you guys can code a feature we can pay for... riiiight.

I personally feel that Dust514 is a total waste of resources, and this is why:
The gameplay in dust514 will not be able to compete with the top-level games. It is insane to think that a company that has no experience with either shooters OR consoles can make a competitive FPS game for the consoles. The problem with online FPS's on the console is simply this, everyone flocks to where everyone is going, simply because their friends are there.
Sure the link between eve and dust sounds great, and if this could be added to a really good FPS the results will be mindblowing.
But the FPS has to have great gameplay, without it, it will just suck regardless.

NO MT for non-vanity.
Re-focus your attention to actual gameplay/ui/tech improvements in EvE. (FW,low-sec,null-sec,wh-space,ship-balance,god-awful UI,PvE so intersting you fall asleep,etc etcetc)
Either drop WoD or Dust514 untill the other game is released and you actually have money to make it, right now you are diverting money from EvE to both of these games.
Actually listen to your community, and give honest replies, we are THROUGH with apologies and lies and stonewalling.

Milkmy Sausage
Posted - 2011.06.24 11:29:00 - [2887]

As for what you should do to best express your opinion of recent events in New Eden, all I can tell you is that CCP pays more attention to what you do than what you say.

Thanks you sir for having the balls to step up to the plate, even if you were pushed.

I take this reply as 'cancel as many subs as you can afford to and fill out the questionaire' My alt is now unsubbing. I urge anyone else who has an alt and can afford to unsub to please do the same. My personal issue is with AUR being used for purchases that will materially effect the gameplay.

Posted - 2011.06.24 11:29:00 - [2888]

Andreus Ixiris
Mixed Metaphor
Posted - 2011.06.24 11:29:00 - [2889]

Just helping this thread hit 100.

Spike Larosse
RSP Enterprises
Posted - 2011.06.24 11:30:00 - [2890]


Not that my accounts are canceled over this thing alone. I was already having trouble finding motivation and small scale PvP in game with several breaks as a result. But I was always still hoping for things to come around. This was just the sign telling me "Yeah, it's time to move on and not look back".
I'm not putting money into a product that no longer develops spaceship combat and strategy, but rather builds graphical environments where the main purpose seems to be to squeeze more money out of the "golden goose". I'm practically funding CCPs work to take more of the community's money with my own subscription. Well, not anymore.

Posted - 2011.06.24 11:30:00 - [2891]




Sur Jamkar
Posted - 2011.06.24 11:30:00 - [2892]

unsubbed 4 accounts. If CCP can convince me to resub - then great. If not - I will continue to post on the forums and wait for my last sub to expire.

Dirty Rotten Imposters
Posted - 2011.06.24 11:30:00 - [2893]



Posted - 2011.06.24 11:30:00 - [2894]


Posted - 2011.06.24 11:30:00 - [2895]

Just couse i am lazy as hell i didnt get to edit this.
Replace "warriors" with "CCP" or "Soundwave"


Chimaira wolf
The innocent criminals
Posted - 2011.06.24 11:30:00 - [2896]

Originally by: xeitgeist
Edited by: xeitgeist on 24/06/2011 11:29:48



Trading Advisor
Posted - 2011.06.24 11:31:00 - [2897]

I just wanted to post in this topic before it goes over 100th pageYARRRR!!. I agree with everything thats been posted before me.

Dev Null Development and Holdings
Posted - 2011.06.24 11:31:00 - [2898]

This is absolutely the most I have seen the Eve community rally together since 2003. Good job guys! Keep it up!

Tehlana Riolis
Posted - 2011.06.24 11:31:00 - [2899]

Originally by: Chimaira wolf
Originally by: xeitgeist
Edited by: xeitgeist on 24/06/2011 11:29:48



Posted - 2011.06.24 11:31:00 - [2900]

Edited by: Shardivh on 24/06/2011 11:31:27
Cancelling subs is one way to make CCP listen, here is another. Stand up and be counted!

Body Count Inc.
Pandemic Legion
Posted - 2011.06.24 11:31:00 - [2901]

Edited by: Vinifera on 24/06/2011 11:31:37
I think that this whole debacle (and quite a few of the other debacles over the last 2 years) shows that there is a systemic issue here at CCP. While I think CCP Hilmar and others have operated with the best of intentions, there has been a failure to perform at an executive level.

In most corporate situations a board of directors and the shareholders would look at this and say it is time for a change of management.

just sayin...

leth ghost
Posted - 2011.06.24 11:32:00 - [2902]

Originally by: Sur Jamkar
unsubbed 4 accounts. If CCP can convince me to resub - then great. If not - I will continue to post on the forums and wait for my last sub to expire.

this is how im feeling un sub if they sort it out its easy to come back but im not being a mug and letting ccp milk me and the game

Posted - 2011.06.24 11:32:00 - [2903]

Originally by: Drunken Wolf
AUR is fatal for EVE.

It will kill this game.

It already has done more harm then good!

Test Alliance Please Ignore
Posted - 2011.06.24 11:32:00 - [2904]

Originally by: xeitgeist



Anewbus Naskingar
Posted - 2011.06.24 11:32:00 - [2905]

You know I was ready to defend CCP, I never agreed with what you were doing but hey it was always there game and they can do what they want.

After learning that the leaked newsletter was actually legit I just cant stand up for CCP anymore, I really did think that the newsletter was faked by some clever person but to find out it;s legit? FFS CCP what the **** are you thinking?

You've ruined EVE, it's NOT QUITE too late to turn it around, but if you dont then EVE will die, Dust 514 will die and WoD will die as well.

CCP I realize that you dont owe the players anything, but the players are leaving you.

Hulkageddon Orphanage
Posted - 2011.06.24 11:32:00 - [2906]

Eve Customers will flex a little, they have, they accepted vanity items in the NEX store, they accepted the PLEX, but game changing MT items, they won't budge on most likely. CCP has a plan, they are executing on it, doesn't matter how far customers flex a little. CCP doesn't care, it is their time table and their demise.

No sense in fighting what is already comming, let em screw it up, it's just a game for us, it is a job for them, which is now at greater risk, we have no risk to take. Let em screw themselves.

I have no problem with this at all, really, I have 110 days remaining, I just hope CCP don't go bankrupt between now and 110 days time, after that, I don't care if they get layoffs. Not my problem really.

I plan to have fun all the way out, if that fun means laughing at CCP and their employees, Fine by me, Just another form of fun.

No sense in being miserable over it, it's not worth it, and neither are CCP.

When the rats trolls leave the game, that is a time to worry, really, it is.

Maya Firewish
Posted - 2011.06.24 11:32:00 - [2907]

Originally by: xeitgeist



The Initiative.
Posted - 2011.06.24 11:33:00 - [2908]

Originally by: 5nake pliskan
Originally by: CCP Pann
As I see it, the chief complaint is regarding the high cost of goods in the Nobel Market. Second, many people are unhappy about the Captainís Quarters. Third, there are some performance issues with Incarna.

you need glasses

what about the outright lies about MT as revealed in the leaked pdf?
selling faction?
selling weapons?
selling ships?

Doomed Predator
Caldari Provisions
Posted - 2011.06.24 11:33:00 - [2909]

Wish this had happened two weeks ago so I wouldn't have bothered resubscribing. So many years spent developing captains closet and when it finally deploys it is still horribly unoptimized forcing many to turn it off. Then you show them a picture of a door basically telling them to GTFO.

CCP was very lucky in the past since they had no competition in their market and still don't(sadly). EVE was and still is unique but apparently CCP has just become stupidly greedy which will ultimately lead to the games downfall. Maybe some competition back in the day could have prevented the company from becoming money hungry bastards, but probably not.

I had never really been this disappointed in all my time playing EVE. Not with the Dragon patch,the boot.ini fiasco,PI,FW, the bug which caused you to crash every jump,the 72.000 hours spent on the new forums,:18months:,etc. I still believed that while CCP tended to screw up a lot their hearts were in the right place. Apparently I was wrong.

Their vision from creating the ultimate sci-fi simulator is all but dead replaced by a vision of milking the customer base dry. I sincerely hope that CCP is either forced to back-peddal back to 2007 or that the game crashes,burns and falls apart in the comming months to serve as a warning to other studios that being a greedy **** is not that way to go.

My 2 accounts mean nothing to CCP since all they are concerned atm is their metrics about how much space gold was spent, but if enough people give up on them they will realize how hard they messed up before the server becomes a ghost town.

Kith'rahl Miromme
Posted - 2011.06.24 11:33:00 - [2910]

So tired....I can't go to sleep yet

If they don't say no to pay2win, damn today is gonna suckSad

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