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Gallente
Macbeth Transport and Freight LLC
Posted - 2011.06.24 03:34:00 - [1411]
 

Originally by: The Doctorz
Why was the hangar environment removed? Why not allow characters to opt to either disembark to their quarters automatically (default) or remain in ship with a classic scene (non-default for advanced users or low end machines). It seems rather nonsensical decision to both have users who like their ships or users with low end machines to be tortured (with a static image of a door of all things!). People generally fair better and are happier if they are given the power to choose for themselves. If you make an awesome incarna, then people will choose to play in stations. Forcing it on everyone only makes those who dont want or need or afford it despise you more.


^^ THIS ^^

Rixiu
The Inuits
Posted - 2011.06.24 03:34:00 - [1412]
 

Originally by: Liang Nuren
Originally by: CCP Pann
Itís clear that many of you are <understatement alert> angry </alert>.


Really.

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Can I please count on at least some of you to help bring the pitchforks and torches down a few notches?


No.

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As I see it, the chief complaint is regarding the high cost of goods in the Nobel Market.


Did you miss the 75 page threadnaught over "Greed Is Good"? Here, let me link it for you: http://www.mediafire.com/?ccl135embyb6c2v. I will continue to link it everywhere until the situation is resolved to my satisfaction, my accounts expire, or I am banned. It is very disrespectful of your customers, and outlines a strong desire by the Lead Game Designer of Flying In Space to make the entire game -- including PVP -- revolve around paying $10 for a new set of Noble autocannons every week.

With regards to the high cost of goods in the Nobel Market.... that's just pants on head stupid ******ed ****.

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Second, many people are unhappy about the Captainís Quarters.


I have to admit, I was extremely underwhelmed. Go play Mass Effect and visit the strip club. This is what I want for my CQ, if I must have one. Furthermore, I don't want to see my CQ unless I want to see my CQ. There's no content in it for someone that wants to blow **** up in space and most of the time I'm docked its to switch ships not **** with the ****ing couch.

Also, running... heard of it? **** man, total disappointment.

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Third, there are some performance issues with Incarna.


NO ****ING ****. Having CQ (and Incarna) be optional would be a great start. After that, maybe hiring artists who have experience would be a good start. (See twitter conversations for details, or talk to Hesperius).

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I would appreciate it if you would confirm my observations or tell me what Iím missing


Threadnaught and leaked newsletter? Comments?

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If youíve read this much, thanks for staying with me. If you have something to say, Iíd like very much to hear it.



I have been a "pillar of the community" for years... but you guys are ****ing with my hobby. I get angry when you **** with my hobby. You guys are ****ing with the future of my favorite game company. STOP THE MADNESS DAMMIT. Microtransactions for in game benefit are going to ruin this game.

-Liang


When Liang is happy about incarna beeing fixed I'm happy.

See, I put my faith in a player, something you will work hard to rebuild CCP (faith that is).

Soden Rah
Gallente
EVE University
Ivy League
Posted - 2011.06.24 03:34:00 - [1413]
 

Originally by: SailorBacon

Are you moving beyond VANITY AUR items?



For the love of Christ Manifest, if you can't answer the big yellow question, at least say so openly so I don't have to keep refreshing the page.





last post he only reached post 325... he may be homing in on 400 by this point... possibly

give him a chance to catch up...

I would go to bed and check for an answer when you wake up.
swat im dooin

Nath Blazek
Minmatar
Native Freshfood
Posted - 2011.06.24 03:35:00 - [1414]
 

Originally by: Lirael Dyrim
If you're going to make a devblog to respond to all our well deserved complaints I'd rather have you make a video. CCP has shown it's no stranger to cameras and to Youtube. We all saw the somewhat terrible attempts at humourous videos at Fanfest.

Put Hilmar in front of a camera and have him read a statement, make a Powerpoint or something, but I want to look into your EYES and see whether you are telling the truth. Because honestly, your words mean pretty much nothing to me anymore.


*PERFECT* suggestion 10/10

Ashen Angel
Minmatar
Scarey Contractors
Posted - 2011.06.24 03:35:00 - [1415]
 

Originally by: Ranger 1
Originally by: SailorBacon

Are you moving beyond VANITY AUR items?



For the love of Christ Manifest, if you can't answer the big yellow question, at least say so openly so I don't have to keep refreshing the page.




I guess you missed the part where they said the answers to the meatier questions would come tomorrow in official statements.


That question should have been a default answer, waiting simply means they are trying to figure out a diplomatic way of saying yes or maybe

Flamespar
Posted - 2011.06.24 03:35:00 - [1416]
 

Guys can we stop with the personal attacks against Soundwave already?

Incarna is great, micro-transactions not so much.

I would hate for the future direction of EVE to be determined by a bunch of loud mouthed forum players with delusions that they represent the entirety of the player base. You don't.

You know what? There are a lot of people who have faith in CCP and are enjoying the product and are in support of their future vision.

That doesn't mean that CCP can do whatever they want. But it does mean that reasoned discourse is preferred to the total f*** fest that a minority have turned the forums into.

Why the hell would anyone post in support of Incarna/CCP when they are immediately set upon by dozens of trolls with nothing better to do?

Why would CCP want to talk to its players when this is the behaviour typical of those on the forum?

HTFU everyone.

Reiisha
Veto Corp
Posted - 2011.06.24 03:35:00 - [1417]
 

Originally by: mobius nm

CQ/WiS by being forced upon the players (the opt out option has CLEARLY been stated to be temporary)


The temporary opting out was only for character creation, but Incarna itself has been CLEARLY stated to be optional always.

The original plan was to keep the old station interface but add a "disembark" button to enter the Incarna part.

Jimmy Duce
Chaotic Tranquility
Posted - 2011.06.24 03:35:00 - [1418]
 

Edited by: Jimmy Duce on 24/06/2011 03:35:55
Edited by: Jimmy Duce on 24/06/2011 03:35:27
Originally by: CCP Manifest
Quote:

Are you moving beyond VANITY AUR items?




I was told there was a big obvious yellow message waiting for me later on.

I honestly cannot answer that right now nor should you hear any such answer from me as many have said. As Pann opened this thread, she stated, "I wonít be able to answer all of your questions tonight, but I promise weíll start getting some info out tomorrow."

The reason why I am going through every post and not just skipping to the end unless someone tells me to, is so that I can make sure the nuances of the player responses are condensed, fully represented and then transmitted within CCP to the appropriate people. (Jade Constantine's post is one obvious verbatim one amongst)

Player feedback has diligently been sent from our community and PR team since time immemorial and it is my most solemn and serious duty.

It is more important right now than trying to "solve" things or crusading to answer every single post. That was pretty clear after a short second of introspection following my second or third reply at around page 5.






Hey,

I kinda like this guy. gl reading and please do ensure that the proper authorities understand how important the big yellow question is. I'm going to bed.


Originally by: Zverofaust
Quote:

Are you moving beyond VANITY AUR items?



Ancyker
Test Alliance Please Ignore
Posted - 2011.06.24 03:35:00 - [1419]
 

Protip: Fixing old content is usually cheaper than adding new content and is a bulk of what older players really want.

CQ needed code (mid-high expense) and new graphics (high expense).

Bug fixes need code to be edited (low-mid expense) and some graphic retouching (low expense).

From my point of view, CQ adds nothing to attract new players (my friend that just started days before Incarna is completely unimpressed with it) and does nothing for existing players.

So if the whole reason for MT is to "pay for" Incarna expenses, remove it. We don't need it right now. Add it later when the rest of the game is stable and everyone is happy with it (in terms of features working and being available and the game being at where it needs to be, not everyone liking everything -- that's impossible).

Alexis Sachs
Posted - 2011.06.24 03:35:00 - [1420]
 

Originally by: WhiskeyGirl
null
My God... The main issue the the prices?!! No THE MAIN ISSUE IS CQ!!!


You have my vote.

Iamien
Democracy of Klingon Brothers
Posted - 2011.06.24 03:36:00 - [1421]
 

Originally by: Soden Rah
Originally by: SailorBacon

Are you moving beyond VANITY AUR items?



For the love of Christ Manifest, if you can't answer the big yellow question, at least say so openly so I don't have to keep refreshing the page.





last post he only reached post 325... he may be homing in on 400 by this point... possibly

give him a chance to catch up...

I would go to bed and check for an answer when you wake up.
swat im dooin


Page 47 he answered that he can't answer.

Evelgrivion
Gunpoint Diplomacy
Posted - 2011.06.24 03:36:00 - [1422]
 

Originally by: CCP Manifest
Quote:

Are you moving beyond VANITY AUR items?




I was told there was a big obvious yellow message waiting for me later on.

I honestly cannot answer that right now nor should you hear any such answer from me as many have said. As Pann opened this thread, she stated, "I wonít be able to answer all of your questions tonight, but I promise weíll start getting some info out tomorrow."

The reason why I am going through every post and not just skipping to the end unless someone tells me to, is so that I can make sure the nuances of the player responses are condensed, fully represented and then transmitted within CCP to the appropriate people. (Jade Constantine's post is one obvious verbatim one amongst)

Player feedback has diligently been sent from our community and PR team since time immemorial and it is my most solemn and serious duty.

It is more important right now than trying to "solve" things or crusading to answer every single post. That was pretty clear after a short second of introspection following my second or third reply at around page 5.


I hope you are making it as clear as possible to those in power the unprecedented level of ****storm that will ensue if we get an answer that is any different than "We will never implement non-vanity MTs into EVE Online." No other answer is acceptable.


Smeedly
Posted - 2011.06.24 03:36:00 - [1423]
 

If AUR moves beyond vanity items, I will take my money elsewhere.

There, I think I've condensed the nuances of the player response enough for anybody.

Th0rG0d
Terminal Pharmaceuticals Inc.
Posted - 2011.06.24 03:37:00 - [1424]
 

Originally by: Kallynda Nai
Mother****ing unbelievable


I lol'd! Laughing

Vin Hellsing
Posted - 2011.06.24 03:37:00 - [1425]
 

Originally by: Ashen Angel
Originally by: Ranger 1
Originally by: SailorBacon

Are you moving beyond VANITY AUR items?



For the love of Christ Manifest, if you can't answer the big yellow question, at least say so openly so I don't have to keep refreshing the page.




I guess you missed the part where they said the answers to the meatier questions would come tomorrow in official statements.


That question should have been a default answer, waiting simply means they are trying to figure out a diplomatic way of saying yes or maybe


Now, can we stop repeating this?

This nonsense has gotten out of hand. Manifest has gotten the message. And I trust that he will pass it on in its full volume cranked to 11 to the devs responsible for the Incarna patch.

You guys should do the same, withhold your fire, pitchforks, and vitriol for the next 48 hours.

If their official response via devblog and Massively's interview is inadequate, then you guys will have open license to torch the forums to a cinder.

Planetary Genocide
Gallente
White Sail Anarchists
Yarr Collective
Posted - 2011.06.24 03:37:00 - [1426]
 

Right, I'm going to bed. F5'ing does nothing for me now, I dont' expect a real response from CCP in this thread anyways. I await the devblog.

Fly safe... or in this case, tread carefully.

Tea Ester Elliot
Posted - 2011.06.24 03:37:00 - [1427]
 

Originally by: Smeedly
If AUR moves beyond vanity items, I will take my money elsewhere.

There, I think I've condensed the nuances of the player response enough for anybody.



Indeed.

Alara IonStorm
Caldari
Posted - 2011.06.24 03:37:00 - [1428]
 

Hi CCP Manafest if I could take a moment of your time. Micro Transactions are a big deal and Game Breaking(not used lightly) if they involve an In Space Advantage as shown in your Memo. Before that there were complaints about Incarna. Team BFF has fixed as they like to say a lot of the small stuff which is good.

But I see EVE's Problem like a Cancer deep inside the body rotting at it's insides if you will excuse the Anology. What you have been doing as doctors to this Cancer has been proscribing Skin Cream to make it look fine as it goes through it's(New Shiney Features like CQ, Turrets and Incursions) and Giving it Pain Pills so it can walk around in public. The game needs more then that, you need to go in and get this Cancer as a priority.

If you peel away at every situational complaint(MT, Station Screens, RMT, Bugs and the res) you are left with one presistant thing that pops up for 20 pages disapers and reappears a week or two later. I am talking about Balance Issues with the in Space Combat, basically FOTM. This term is inaccurate because it has been a lot longer then a month that this has dragged on. The Primary Issues documented are as followed.

With Battleships you have 2 main choices Abbadon and Mealstrom. Abbadon for it's Brick Mega Tank and Heavy DPS/Range and Mealstrom for it's Alpha/Range with a Average Battleship Tank. Outside of these 2 ships there really isn't anything to compete in there respective Fleets Sheild and Armor.

HAC's the Zealot and Vegabond Dominate while the Muniin and Cerb do ok for the most part. The Sac, Eagle, Diemos and Ishtar on the other hand...

Battlecruisers you got the Drake and the Hurricane. Drake for long range Mid DPS with a solid Tank and the Cane for High DPS and Speed. The others are rarely used and fill niche roles that just don't match there Drakecane kin.

T1 Logi's are not used as such and have fitting/cap/slot/split bonus issues. 2 of the EWAR Cruisers barely have a role, Caracal fills and Anti Frig slot, Arby, Rupture and Vexor for Combat and the BB for EWAR. This leaves the rest as Meh not that the whole Class doesn't suffer under the Nano Cane.

You know the problem with Supercaps.

Part One, Continued

Apollo Gabriel
Mercatoris
Etherium Cartel
Posted - 2011.06.24 03:38:00 - [1429]
 

Originally by: Mehrdad Kor-Azor
Edited by: Mehrdad Kor-Azor on 24/06/2011 01:49:06
Dear CCP,

Return to your promises from a year ago.

Thank you.


So in one year you can design MT and implement them, BUT in 5 years you can only make 1 room?

sigh ...
AG

Myra2007
Millstone Industries
Posted - 2011.06.24 03:38:00 - [1430]
 

Please visit your user settings to re-enable images.

I'm as mad as hell, and I'm not going to take this anymore!


Mehrdad Kor-Azor
Amarr
Iure Divino
Posted - 2011.06.24 03:38:00 - [1431]
 

Well, I guess it's time to put the pitchfork down for the night and continue the crusade tomorrow.

Just a few parting words:

Are you moving beyond VANITY AUR items?


Follow up: How do you define a Vanity item?



We Will Never Forget.

Jimmy Duce
Chaotic Tranquility
Posted - 2011.06.24 03:38:00 - [1432]
 

Originally by: Vin Hellsing
Originally by: Ashen Angel
Originally by: Ranger 1
Originally by: SailorBacon

Are you moving beyond VANITY AUR items?



For the love of Christ Manifest, if you can't answer the big yellow question, at least say so openly so I don't have to keep refreshing the page.




I guess you missed the part where they said the answers to the meatier questions would come tomorrow in official statements.


That question should have been a default answer, waiting simply means they are trying to figure out a diplomatic way of saying yes or maybe


Now, can we stop repeating this?

This nonsense has gotten out of hand. Manifest has gotten the message. And I trust that he will pass it on in its full volume cranked to 11 to the devs responsible for the Incarna patch.

You guys should do the same, withhold your fire, pitchforks, and vitriol for the next 48 hours.

If their official response via devblog and Massively's interview is inadequate, then you guys will have open license to torch the forums to a cinder.



Are you moving beyond VANITY AUR items?




NO


diaufop
Posted - 2011.06.24 03:38:00 - [1433]
 

Edited by: diaufop on 24/06/2011 03:39:00
Originally by: CCP Manifest
Still reading. Progress? I am at post 325.

On the one hand, I understand you must have lots to do and sympathise.

On the other hand.....that's less than 1/4 of the postcount and it ain't slowing down any. At this rate you'll be reading *this* post sometime on Sunday. I'm beginning to think opening up a blatant threadnaught bait such as this really should have waited until they could dedicate someone to read them rather more swiftly.

WCPistolPete
Gallente
MacroIntel
Posted - 2011.06.24 03:39:00 - [1434]
 

Originally by: LordElfa
Edited by: LordElfa on 24/06/2011 03:26:59
This is all Facebook's fault.

If it weren't for them, Zynga wouldn't have made Farmville and shown the entire industry the profitability of MT.
Once you get that taste for blood, all the objections in this world won't matter.

Face it fellow capsuleers, even if they lose every vet here, they'll still make money hand over fist from the guys who have more money than sense.


LOL. +1. Let's (do something that can't be mentioned here because it would be considered an international crime) Facebook and then head right over to Iceland. Arrow

Aarin Wrath
Caldari
East Khanid Trading
Khanid Trade Syndicate
Posted - 2011.06.24 03:39:00 - [1435]
 

Edited by: Aarin Wrath on 24/06/2011 03:50:26
Bitter vet here.

My take on things here CCP is that all the rage is really a symptom of a bigger problem: your (lack of) communication with the community. It has always been pretty bad, but these days it is just terrible.

Just to remind you:
Remember to Zulupark's awesome question and answer thread? Everyone loved it. You guys did that once and promised to do it frequently. It never happened.
That was how many years ago?
We got a similar thread in the past few months but it died out after like 10 questions. Zulu on the other hand really went out of his way to talk to us and find answers for days.

However, I will remind you that his whole thread idea was just a reaction to the community getting really angry about the lack of communication at the time.
Sounds familiar no?

As a long time player this is honeslty what I am used to expecting from you guys:
-Very few dev blogs.
-Nobody tells us whats going.
-Nobody tells us what direction your taking things.
Then you throw surprises at us like insane vanity item prices. A CQ that is buggy, no where near what you hyped it up to be, and functionally useless.

And you wonder why everyone is ticked off? Rolling Eyes

TLDR;
CCP, we love this game.
That's why we pay the subs.
But for the love of god start talking to us, and listening to us.

That means you need to drop the keep quiet crap, develop a consitent, timely and open communication with your damn player base AND STICK TO IT.




I wish I could believe that you would would change and start talking to us, but honestly its been years of this crap. Over and over.

Bunnyy Lebowski
Posted - 2011.06.24 03:39:00 - [1436]
 

Originally by: Namura Kautsuo
Oh man. All these rage tears are tasting so good. I didn't think EVE players could be worse tools than WoW players, but i'm glad to be proven wrong.


Thanks for my new sig lol

Th0rG0d
Terminal Pharmaceuticals Inc.
Posted - 2011.06.24 03:39:00 - [1437]
 

Originally by: Nath Blazek
Originally by: Lirael Dyrim
If you're going to make a devblog to respond to all our well deserved complaints I'd rather have you make a video. CCP has shown it's no stranger to cameras and to Youtube. We all saw the somewhat terrible attempts at humourous videos at Fanfest.

Put Hilmar in front of a camera and have him read a statement, make a Powerpoint or something, but I want to look into your EYES and see whether you are telling the truth. Because honestly, your words mean pretty much nothing to me anymore.


*PERFECT* suggestion 10/10


Done

Amber Villaneous
Posted - 2011.06.24 03:39:00 - [1438]
 

Originally by: CCP Manifest
Originally by: LordElfa

Originally by: Zverofaust
Quote:

Are you moving beyond VANITY AUR items?




I honestly cannot answer that right now


Bad move, I think ya just screwed CCP out of a lot of money, not ISK or Aurom, actual real life money.

Jason1138
Posted - 2011.06.24 03:39:00 - [1439]
 

"Player feedback has diligently been sent from our community and PR team since time immemorial and it is my most solemn and serious duty."


lol this guy is trolling you so hard. i cannot believe i'm the only one who can tell

Jaroslav Unwanted
Posted - 2011.06.24 03:39:00 - [1440]
 

Edited by: Jaroslav Unwanted on 24/06/2011 03:39:38
Originally by: Kewso

People are shocked a company's first priority is to make money?



Jeez some people are dense.




No you took it from wrong direction.

Nobody is shocked neither disappointed about it.
The Big problem is "if the NEX shop offers something to **** up heart of the EVE" There will be no money making for CCP anymore.

As i wrote before the "leaked" document is not fake. As been stated by CCP.
But amount of rage created by it is beyond believe.

I mean have you ever been at some brainstorming session? Its getting quite dense. And this is just forum version of it with many un-educated, semi-educated and few well-educated people.

Take it as it is. Nothing more nothing less. Not end of the world, nor the new beginning.


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