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Noceur-01 Tiers
Amarr
Posted - 2011.06.30 21:25:00 - [13231]
 

Originally by: thoth rothschild
yes, no noobs showing but also no one leaving.
All the players will stay as long as they do own some shiny ships and the server runs.

Quote Hilmar: Do care more for players actions less for what they say </quote>

I can just talk for myself of course but I intend to stay to hear the outcome of the CSM-CCP meeting, if its no good then I will take my leave, its been stated by a lot of players.

I do not intend to stay and support a business model I do not support. : )

Teya Ihara
Posted - 2011.06.30 21:26:00 - [13232]
 

Originally by: Daisy Warkorr
Edited by: Daisy Warkorr on 30/06/2011 20:42:16
Spot the fanbois!

Another CCP fanbois whose bending over faster than a catamite ready to give CCP the reach-around.Laughing


Right, Im a CCP Fanboi because I can think logically about the fact that THEY ARE NEVER going to make WiS optional permanently. I'm much closer to a WoW kiddie if labels fascinate you that much, so please refer to me as such. MT and WiS are here to stay, regardless of how much you redact from my quote. I never want to see MT for game-play advantage, but vanity items, who *really* gives a ****?


PS: I'd love to see the illustration of bending over AND giving the reach around, sounds like you have some experience, I'm just not that flexible.


Capsuleer Newton
Amarr
Posted - 2011.06.30 21:29:00 - [13233]
 

Edited by: Capsuleer Newton on 30/06/2011 21:29:25
Originally by: thoth rothschild
Edited by: thoth rothschild on 30/06/2011 21:24:04
yes, no noobs showing but also no one leaving.
All the players will stay as long as they do own some shiny ships and the server runs.

<Quote Hilmar> Do care more for players actions less for what they say </quote>


Originally by: Capsuleer Newton


You do realize that when one says it has cancelled subscription, the remaining time left in his/her current subscription is still active, no? And most players currently wants to hear the outcome of the CSM-CCP meeting.

I have one toon that will end on July 27, the other on the 2nd week August, although i haven't decided to leave for good or stay, my toons are currently unsubscribed.



these numbers are the numbers of players online. Someone who cancels would not log in? would he ? if yes i'm pretty sure he will chicken and pay one more month ;)


I know that they are current players online, I too am online with my 2 accounts, doing practically nothing atm but assessing assets and finding ways of disposing em, if i have to. So I can't be online if i unsubscribed my accounts already if i still have time left in them?

and since i'm in an NPC Corp, maybe i could convince more to how the game may go bad with MT Twisted EvilTwisted EvilTwisted Evil

LHA Tarawa
Posted - 2011.06.30 21:29:00 - [13234]
 

Originally by: Teya Ihara
MT and WiS are here to stay,



Then CCP will not be receiving any more money from me.

Capsuleer Newton
Amarr
Posted - 2011.06.30 21:34:00 - [13235]
 

Originally by: Merouk Baas
Originally by: Capsuleer Newton
You do realize that when one says it has cancelled subscription, the remaining time left in his/her current subscription is still active, no? And most players currently wants to hear the outcome of the CSM-CCP meeting.



I agree, but this 400 page thread is about emo-quitting, so apparently that means "angrily push the cancel subscription button, then make an angry post, then log in and play as normal?"


If firing at the memorial in Jita and Amarr and other hubs is normal, then yes.... Twisted EvilTwisted EvilTwisted Evil

Kewso
Posted - 2011.06.30 22:00:00 - [13236]
 


MrSteack
Caldari
Unchained Potential
Test Alliance Please Ignore
Posted - 2011.06.30 22:01:00 - [13237]
 

Has the CSM meeting started yet? I'm getting tired of sharpening this pitchfork for 4 days.

Skogen Gump
The Star Fraction
Posted - 2011.06.30 22:04:00 - [13238]
 

Edited by: Skogen Gump on 30/06/2011 22:06:15
I don't mind MT or WiS in concept ...

I do mind non-vanity MT depending on the level it impacts me.
If it's like WoT where it doesn't give you a game changing ability then I don't mind.

Similarly, I do mind WiS *if* if continues to worsen my experience. I don't have a fast PC, I have family and a mortgage, I can't afford the latest hardware all the time. WiS has made me want to log in less because I find it slower and I don't like that I can't get access to my ship in the way I'm used to.

Bring right click access back, give me a camera angle off the balcony and let me spin my ship and I will be happy.

Skogen Gump
The Star Fraction
Posted - 2011.06.30 22:08:00 - [13239]
 

Edited by: Skogen Gump on 30/06/2011 22:09:57
Originally by: MrSteack
Has the CSM meeting started yet? I'm getting tired of sharpening this pitchfork for 4 days.


It started this morning and has finished for day one.
Results are mixed and worded ... interestingly. Reactions are understandably upset right now.

I don't understand why the CSM hasn't go the clear picture by now that the *whole* community wants crystal clear answers on this, not wishy-washy whymsicality and word play.

In the mean time, there is a Twitter for this meeting-in-extraordinary:

http://twitter.com/#!/search?q=%23csm6

MrSteack
Caldari
Unchained Potential
Test Alliance Please Ignore
Posted - 2011.06.30 22:22:00 - [13240]
 

It is odd how thats not top priority. But thats not the only problem people have with Incarna and the events following it.

Skogen Gump
The Star Fraction
Posted - 2011.06.30 22:23:00 - [13241]
 

Quite so.

Kaethe Kollwitz
Posted - 2011.06.30 22:29:00 - [13242]
 

Originally by: CCP Pann
As I see it, the chief complaint is regarding the high cost of goods in the Noble Market. Second, many people are unhappy about the Captain’s Quarters. Third, there are some performance issues with Incarna.


MrSteack
Caldari
Unchained Potential
Test Alliance Please Ignore
Posted - 2011.06.30 22:37:00 - [13243]
 

Originally by: Kaethe Kollwitz
Originally by: CCP Pann
As I see it, the chief complaint is regarding the high cost of goods in the Noble Market. Second, many people are unhappy about the Captain’s Quarters. Third, there are some performance issues with Incarna.




They could be forced to ignore the issue of MTing. Maybe untill something official can be said, or they are waiting for it to blow over and sneak it in later in the year. Dont attack the CCPs here in the forums, attack CCP as a company.

caldar ian
Final Destination.
Posted - 2011.06.30 22:38:00 - [13244]
 

Edited by: caldar ian on 30/06/2011 22:42:34
Originally by: Kaethe Kollwitz
Originally by: CCP Pann
As I see it, the chief complaint is regarding the high cost of goods in the Noble Market. Second, many people are unhappy about the Captain’s Quarters. Third, there are some performance issues with Incarna.




Its like that seen from the second gulf war, with the dude on the river bank " there are no coalition forces here blah blah " lol

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Goobai Vapor
Posted - 2011.06.30 22:58:00 - [13245]
 

Back to the top!

P.S. - CCP, stop ruining our game. KKTHXBAI.

Brainless Bimbo
Minmatar
Posted - 2011.06.30 23:15:00 - [13246]
 

Edited by: Brainless Bimbo on 30/06/2011 23:18:02
Its becoming clear that CCP intends WiS to be treated as a separate but inter connected game like Dust. It offers an opportunity to raise revenue using MT via the PLEX system while serving as a test bed for Carbon and the underlying code and mechanics for WoD (basically a win win for CCP).

Maybe CCP will keep the promise that anything created by Db entries will be cosmetic if it effects in space game, stuff like decals, corp services like fitting lists and background checks, which is acceptable as it doesn´t break the eve in space game, hopefully that´s why the CSM sound slightly positive.

If that is the plan if they were honest about it and also gave a long term game plan so we knew what sort of stuff was in store since they are in the process of changing the game world so dramatically lots of rage would be quelled.

fake edit: somehow i feel that Dust interaction charges will be getting paid from both ends, what accountant/banker could resist

real edit: and yes i would be upset if they charged for items that were previously free

Mechatronicus Anihilus
Posted - 2011.07.01 00:23:00 - [13247]
 

Edited by: Mechatronicus Anihilus on 01/07/2011 00:24:31
Edited by: Mechatronicus Anihilus on 01/07/2011 00:23:36
The concept CCP has that it can do whatever it wants with Eve because Eve is their intellectual property is being put to a pretty strenuous test at the moment. The profit motive can be a cruel master.

Being a relative newcomer to the game at not yet two years old, Eve and everything in it is still a novelty. Has anything even remotely like this ever happened in the past? Mongo user rage and CSMs flown to Iceland for emergency face-to-face meeting?

Lysander Kaldenn
Dead Reckoning.
Posted - 2011.07.01 00:30:00 - [13248]
 

Originally by: Merouk Baas
Originally by: Capsuleer Newton
You do realize that when one says it has cancelled subscription, the remaining time left in his/her current subscription is still active, no? And most players currently wants to hear the outcome of the CSM-CCP meeting.



I agree, but this 400 page thread is about emo-quitting, so apparently that means "angrily push the cancel subscription button, then make an angry post, then log in and play as normal?"


Most of us really, really want to see CCP make a good decision even if our better judgement says theres no way in hell. Most people who are raging have canceled subs and are now bidding their time, waiting to see what happens. At least that's how I'm handling it.

But let me make this clear, if CCP doesn't come out with a resounding NO to game altering MT I'm gone. And I will do my best to insure that my friends avoid Eve as well.

I keep hearing this bull**** about "the customer can't tell the company what to do". It's a joke. We can and will let CCP know how we feel about this. And it will hit them right in their pocket books.

People can make all the analogies they want. Grocery stores don't sell fun. They sell something people can't live without. CCP may think we can't live without their "premium" products. If P2W arrives in Eve they are going to find out just how vital their products really are.

Takashi Setsu
Posted - 2011.07.01 00:33:00 - [13249]
 

Originally by: Mechatronicus Anihilus
Edited by: Mechatronicus Anihilus on 01/07/2011 00:24:31
Edited by: Mechatronicus Anihilus on 01/07/2011 00:23:36
The concept CCP has that it can do whatever it wants with Eve because Eve is their intellectual property is being put to a pretty strenuous test at the moment. The profit motive can be a cruel master.

Being a relative newcomer to the game at not yet two years old, Eve and everything in it is still a novelty. Has anything even remotely like this ever happened in the past? Mongo user rage and CSMs flown to Iceland for emergency face-to-face meeting?


T20 was probably the closest. But I would say no, nothing on this scale has happened before in Eve.

Nath Blazek
Minmatar
Native Freshfood
Posted - 2011.07.01 00:35:00 - [13250]
 

Originally by: Merouk Baas
Judging by the server stats at www.eve-offline.net, if you guys are all quitting, at least an equal amount of newbies are joining the game.


FFS PEOPLE CAN LOG IN UNTIL THE PAID TIME RUNS OUT!!!!!

If the subs werent dropping the meeting being held right now wouldnt be happening.

Any clue how much no reservations flight for six cost?

Carry on.

Maiia Arlenne
Posted - 2011.07.01 00:41:00 - [13251]
 

Edited by: Maiia Arlenne on 01/07/2011 00:42:34
Originally by: Takashi Setsu
Originally by: Mechatronicus Anihilus
Edited by: Mechatronicus Anihilus on 01/07/2011 00:24:31
Edited by: Mechatronicus Anihilus on 01/07/2011 00:23:36
The concept CCP has that it can do whatever it wants with Eve because Eve is their intellectual property is being put to a pretty strenuous test at the moment. The profit motive can be a cruel master.

Being a relative newcomer to the game at not yet two years old, Eve and everything in it is still a novelty. Has anything even remotely like this ever happened in the past? Mongo user rage and CSMs flown to Iceland for emergency face-to-face meeting?


T20 was probably the closest. But I would say no, nothing on this scale has happened before in Eve.


The T20 incident produced a lot of rage and a lot of people questioned the future of the game. At the time I was more involved in 0.0 alliance gameplay, and I quit the game for quite a while after that (and haven't been back to 0.0 at all since). I strongly suspect CCP quietly swept a lot of that under the rug, as there were a few developer shenanigans going on at that time. However, the forum outcry here is a bit greater.

Vandrion
Gallente
The Collective
B O R G
Posted - 2011.07.01 00:47:00 - [13252]
 

Originally by: Merouk Baas
I agree, but this 400 page thread is about emo-quitting, so apparently that means "angrily push the cancel subscription button, then make an angry post, then log in and play as normal?"


No... This thread is about this.....

Ok to summarize this is what CCP said via a leaked newsletter... MT for all and if you don't like it:

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and then there was Hilmar's leaked email that said don't listen to the players and Incarna was awesome.. Which really meant:

Please visit your user settings to re-enable images.

and then we players did 400 pages of this:

Please visit your user settings to re-enable images.

Ganre Sorc
Posted - 2011.07.01 01:12:00 - [13253]
 

Originally by: CCP Manifest
Originally by: AkJon Ferguson
Has soundwave been fired yet?

Will all future editions of 'Fearless' be released publicly?

Is there anything else you've lied to the playerbase about (MT for vanity ONLY) that we might like to know about?


Soundwave will NOT be fired nor should he. I personally would not like to see one of the driving forces behind the Alliance Tournament and the spiritual leader of Team BFF take a fall for agreeing to present one opposing side of the microtransaction debate in an internal newsletter.


I do not post often, so forgive me any faux pas.

First, The Noble Exchange has so far had no negative impact on any portion of the game, other than people nerd raging about it.

Second, and related to the quote, the free sharing of ideas, good or bad is and has been the basis of society and free thought since ancient Greece. No one, regardless of how poorly thought out, and terrible the idea maybe, should be castigated for bringing it up.

Third, Station view. Are you serious, EvE Online Community. you have a vast world, full of Rats, Mining laser, Asteroid, Gate Camps, Jump Bridges, Titans, complex 0.0 politics, and many, many wonderful additions - and one of your chief concerns is the Station View? Unbelievable.

_GS_

Merouk Baas
Gallente
Posted - 2011.07.01 01:19:00 - [13254]
 

Originally by: Ganre Sorc
Third, Station view. Are you serious, EvE Online Community. you have a vast world, full of Rats, Mining laser, Asteroid, Gate Camps, Jump Bridges, Titans, complex 0.0 politics, and many, many wonderful additions - and one of your chief concerns is the Station View? Unbelievable.


The issues with the rats, mining lasers, asteroids, gate camps, jump bridges, titans, 0.0 politics, and the other many things you mentioned have been addressed already, see "18 months" of nothing being done. Station View, on the other hand, hasn't been 18-monthed yet.

Ganre Sorc
Posted - 2011.07.01 01:21:00 - [13255]
 

Originally by: Merouk Baas
Originally by: Ganre Sorc
Third, Station view. Are you serious, EvE Online Community. you have a vast world, full of Rats, Mining laser, Asteroid, Gate Camps, Jump Bridges, Titans, complex 0.0 politics, and many, many wonderful additions - and one of your chief concerns is the Station View? Unbelievable.


The issues with the rats, mining lasers, asteroids, gate camps, jump bridges, titans, 0.0 politics, and the other many things you mentioned have been addressed already, see "18 months" of nothing being done. Station View, on the other hand, hasn't been 18-monthed yet.


I am just saying, if you don't like the station view, undock.

_GS_

Aldus Extremis
Imperial Academy
Posted - 2011.07.01 01:23:00 - [13256]
 

Originally by: Ganre Sorc
Originally by: CCP Manifest
Originally by: AkJon Ferguson
Has soundwave been fired yet?

Will all future editions of 'Fearless' be released publicly?

Is there anything else you've lied to the playerbase about (MT for vanity ONLY) that we might like to know about?


Soundwave will NOT be fired nor should he. I personally would not like to see one of the driving forces behind the Alliance Tournament and the spiritual leader of Team BFF take a fall for agreeing to present one opposing side of the microtransaction debate in an internal newsletter.


I do not post often, so forgive me any faux pas.

First, The Noble Exchange has so far had no negative impact on any portion of the game, other than people nerd raging about it.

Second, and related to the quote, the free sharing of ideas, good or bad is and has been the basis of society and free thought since ancient Greece. No one, regardless of how poorly thought out, and terrible the idea maybe, should be castigated for bringing it up.

Third, Station view. Are you serious, EvE Online Community. you have a vast world, full of Rats, Mining laser, Asteroid, Gate Camps, Jump Bridges, Titans, complex 0.0 politics, and many, many wonderful additions - and one of your chief concerns is the Station View? Unbelievable.

_GS_


Why do you think it's about what we see when we dock? CCP wants no opt out option for WIS. For me that means I have to use an interface that is cumbersome, slow, is less efficient, requires more clicks and more load time. In other words, it's a step backward in just about every way that concerns my internet spaceship game. They want this because they want to motivate vanity item sales to better line their pockets.

Make a better game ( or make the game better) and you may get more subscribers which means more money.

Capsuleer Newton
Amarr
Posted - 2011.07.01 01:29:00 - [13257]
 

Originally by: Mechatronicus Anihilus
Edited by: Mechatronicus Anihilus on 01/07/2011 00:24:31
Edited by: Mechatronicus Anihilus on 01/07/2011 00:23:36
The concept CCP has that it can do whatever it wants with Eve because Eve is their intellectual property is being put to a pretty strenuous test at the moment. The profit motive can be a cruel master.

Being a relative newcomer to the game at not yet two years old, Eve and everything in it is still a novelty. Has anything even remotely like this ever happened in the past? Mongo user rage and CSMs flown to Iceland for emergency face-to-face meeting?


With the current PLEX system, anyone with daddy's credit card can acquire much of anything he/she wants thru the purchase of Game Time cards and coverting it to PLEX then selling the PLEX. BUT... whatever he/she can do or fly will be limited by the skills he/she have trained, that means... he/she has to wait still. Furthermore, the Eve economy will benefit from it due to whatever he/she purchases.

On the Otherhand, since CCP did not clearly specify the items involved or to be introduced with its MT, many speculate that it might involve game changing items, i.e. SP for Aurum, and the like, or the NeX will introduce items that may bypass and destroy the player-based market, like buying ships with aurum or better modules that can be bought with aurum, which will potentially decline the sales of its regular counterpart.

It would also create more imbalance since, established corp/alliances can fairly access the NeX easily than start-up corps, thus, it's either you're rich in RL or pretty much established to be ahead of the game.

To add, this new mechanism will be potentially tapped by Illegal ISK Sellers also, if whatever can be purchased thru aurum is redistributable thru contracts or the market.

Surfin's PlunderBunny
Minmatar
Sebiestor Tribe
Posted - 2011.07.01 01:49:00 - [13258]
 

Originally by: Capsuleer Newton

With the current PLEX system, anyone with daddy's credit card can acquire much of anything he/she wants thru the purchase of Game Time cards and coverting it to PLEX then selling the PLEX.



I take exception to that. I have my own credit cards thank you Neutral

BLACK-STAR
Posted - 2011.07.01 01:58:00 - [13259]
 

colossal waste of money.

Kewso
Posted - 2011.07.01 02:16:00 - [13260]
 



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