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Bloodpetal
Mimidae Risk Solutions
Posted - 2011.06.30 18:29:00 - [13201]
 

Originally by: Luckytania

Unfortunately, pretty sure I've read that Seleene was not able to make this trip. No idea if CCP offered any sort of remote real-time participating, but I doubt it.


Seleene_EVE Seleene
@
@Rotosequence No. RL in the way of it. Lots of preparation communications going on tho and I'll be phoned in for some of it.

Barbie D0ll
Posted - 2011.06.30 18:51:00 - [13202]
 

bumping for ponies

Lando Storm
Center for Advanced Studies
Posted - 2011.06.30 18:52:00 - [13203]
 

i just realized that i have been following this thread but have yet to post on the Thread to end all Theads.

Very Happy

Lindsay Logan
Posted - 2011.06.30 18:55:00 - [13204]
 


Canasa
Posted - 2011.06.30 18:55:00 - [13205]
 

Originally by: Saving Face
It was one simple question... fail CSM is fail.


Jeez! If you voted CSM in, you have to believe they're representing your views. If you you didn't then you've no right to complain.

Thanks for the update Trebor and GL for tomorrow. Don't forget all of us... :)

Wonder Pets
Caldari
The Executioners
Posted - 2011.06.30 18:57:00 - [13206]
 

Originally by: Wonder Pets
I don't know if this has been linked and I'm not going to read through 400+ pages to find out...lol. Cast your vote....
http://www.eveonline.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=1395464&page=1


Bumping..... Is this a Democracy?? We'll see.

Darius Sokarad
Posted - 2011.06.30 18:59:00 - [13207]
 

@Trebor_csm (16.56)
NEX store / pricing meeting winding down. Tough, but if CCP explains to you the way they explained to us, less butthurt #csm6 #tweetfleet

"...if CCP explains to you the way they explained to us..."

WTF?
So in short CSM is now in support of NeX, the current pricing structure, future expansions to include non-vanity items, and all that on top of what I would have been paying in sub fees if I were still subscribed - is that about right?

That must be some powerful good explaining they have there. It just glosses over all our concerns and problems with the current situation (which includes far more than just the price of imaginary items in hard currency) and makes it all better. I think I need some of that and I wonder why I didn't get it from the beginning.

Capsuleer Newton
Amarr
Posted - 2011.06.30 19:04:00 - [13208]
 

Originally by: Darius Sokarad
@Trebor_csm (16.56)
NEX store / pricing meeting winding down. Tough, but if CCP explains to you the way they explained to us, less butthurt #csm6 #tweetfleet

"...if CCP explains to you the way they explained to us..."

WTF?
So in short CSM is now in support of NeX, the current pricing structure, future expansions to include non-vanity items, and all that on top of what I would have been paying in sub fees if I were still subscribed - is that about right?

That must be some powerful good explaining they have there. It just glosses over all our concerns and problems with the current situation (which includes far more than just the price of imaginary items in hard currency) and makes it all better. I think I need some of that and I wonder why I didn't get it from the beginning.


No, the explanation was in fact simple: > "If you don't agree you'd stay in an Igloo and you're swimming home, you know how cold the water is, do you?" < CCP's way of making you agree...Twisted EvilTwisted EvilTwisted Evil

Zeta Zhul
Caldari
Preemptive Paranoia
Posted - 2011.06.30 19:18:00 - [13209]
 

Originally by: quite cute kinda
My jita is burning sense is tingling.


They have an ointment for that now....

Miilla
Minmatar
Hulkageddon Orphanage
Posted - 2011.06.30 19:20:00 - [13210]
 

Originally by: Zeta Zhul
Originally by: quite cute kinda
My jita is burning sense is tingling.


They have an ointment for that now....



NEX Jita ointment 1,000 AUR

T'Laar Bok
Posted - 2011.06.30 19:20:00 - [13211]
 

Originally by: Boaz Hedion Merkava
Apparently ship spinning / the old hangar is never coming back.


Thats enough for me. No interest whatsoever in WIS or being forced to load the environment, I'm a spaceship not a ken doll. The last 7 years has been great fun and I'll miss a lot of people but the game is going where I do not wish to go. The last of my 8 accounts expires in 4 days.

bye.

Highlander20s
Posted - 2011.06.30 19:24:00 - [13212]
 

Thought you might like this

Linkage

Van Doren
Posted - 2011.06.30 19:27:00 - [13213]
 

Originally by: Alejan Gerakh
Edited by: Alejan Gerakh on 30/06/2011 17:12:05
Originally by: Saving Face
It was one simple question... fail CSM is fail.

They said they're taking a whole bloody day to argue the point. Sheesh.

Let them have their rounds. When all is said and done and you still think there's bull$#!t, just leave.


Yes (when), no. End of story and drama. Why does it need a whole day?

That's all 3/4 of protesters needed. We lived with failed expansions in the past, heck, even the boot.ini was a more spectacular failure than the little problems of Incarna.

But that MT crap is the summum of the farce... if it takes a whole day of arguments about non-vanity stuff, you can be sure it's there and will show up at one point or another. The question then becomes:

WHEN!!

Domina Santa
Gallente
Posted - 2011.06.30 20:01:00 - [13214]
 

Sometimes throwing a brick can be useful:

Lets see if CCP likes the bricks as much as this one:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1TqBSI8ZBzQ

LHA Tarawa
Posted - 2011.06.30 20:10:00 - [13215]
 

Here is my Parley. I just unsubbed all 4 of my accounts.

Marcus Vorenius
Caldari
Task Force 42
Posted - 2011.06.30 20:21:00 - [13216]
 

Edited by: Marcus Vorenius on 01/07/2011 04:37:36
My last post here: please make your voice heard on Twitter - if you include #incarna and #fail it will be collected on other site

cya

Daisy Warkorr
Posted - 2011.06.30 20:42:00 - [13217]
 

Edited by: Daisy Warkorr on 30/06/2011 20:42:16
Spot the fanbois!

Originally by: Teya Ihara


You *already know* they aren't going to "roll back Incarna", they aren't going to completely remove the new NEX store, MT will be here to stay, its merely a matter of extent at this point. You already have the answer to what you want done, it's not happening. I know CCP created this ****storm by clamming up about it, but with the way this forum community reacts I don't blame them.

Personally, with reasonable prices I'd probably buy some vanity items (ship paints/skins, maybe clothes, whatever) because who cares, to me ISK is funny money.




Another CCP fanbois whose bending over faster than a catamite ready to give CCP the reach-around.Laughing

ep0c x
Posted - 2011.06.30 20:47:00 - [13218]
 


Fear leads to anger,
anger leads to hate,
hate leads to suffering.


Micro transactions are not fundamentally evil, nor is Incarna. Things change, games like eve change and the market they operate in changes. People need to stop fearing change.

Before I played eve the idea you could drop a load of cash and buy a pimped-out character that would -always- greatly exceed anything any character made in the last two years could do, I'd have stopped reading about the game right there. Still, here I am, having put no besides my sub into eve and having a great time.


Highlander20s
Posted - 2011.06.30 20:49:00 - [13219]
 

It would have been good to see tonight as the evening before ccp give us an answer the night that all stood together 1 more time in the protest in jita

Xandralkus
Caldari
Posted - 2011.06.30 20:51:00 - [13220]
 

CCP, or rather, whoever is actually in charge - they're not completely braindead. Already, they've cost themselves more money in unsubbed accounts than they've made in microtransactions.

This trend inevitably will continue, so long as CCP does anything other than permanently guarantee via EULA that PLEX/AUR/MT for remap, skillpoints, ships, modules, rigs, subsystems, sovereignty, anchorables, boosters, ammunition, scripts, blueprints, materials, invention, industry, and any/all other non-vanity items will NEVER exist. Ideally, in the EULA, CCP will be unable to change that part, and if they break that part of the EULA, they incur any and all legal fees involved in the resultant lawsuit(s).

This should be one of the demands made by the CSM's and the players.

After all, if CCP did agree to this, would we, the playerbase, be reasonably satisfied?

LHA Tarawa
Posted - 2011.06.30 20:57:00 - [13221]
 

Originally by: ep0c x


Micro transactions are not fundamentally evil, nor is Incarna. Things change, games like eve change and the market they operate in changes. People need to stop fearing change.



Microtransactions are evil. I won't be playing a game where all CCP cares about is pushing microtransactions, while doing little to improve the actual game play that I HAD been paying for.

My 4 subscriptions was not enough for CCP? Fine. I will cancel my subscriptions and see if they prefer 1 less customer.

Merouk Baas
Gallente
Posted - 2011.06.30 21:03:00 - [13222]
 

I don't know what you guys expect from this CSM meeting.

I was laughing at the CSM's initial attitude that "we're gonna go there and show CCP what's what." CCP could have communicated with the CSM via email or tweets or whatever other online method, and the only thing that makes sense in my mind as a reason for paying for their tickets to get them on the premises is to have the whole CSM team sign a new NDA, then recruit them as PR to help fix the bad publicity.

Why do you think they're there?

You're all asking if the NEX cash-for-ships and cash-for-skills will be implemented... YES THEY WILL otherwise CCP would have said categorically NO by now. They're in financial trouble, they're losing their company, they will "fix" it the only (idiotic) way they know how.

Such drama on the forums. Any sane person stops paying for something they don't like, and if said thing improves they come back, otherwise they stay away.

LHA Tarawa
Posted - 2011.06.30 21:08:00 - [13223]
 

Originally by: Merouk Baas

Such drama on the forums. Any sane person stops paying for something they don't like, and if said thing improves they come back, otherwise they stay away.


We make sure CCP knows why we are quitting, and we try to recruit others to quit too.

CCP could care less if 1 person quits. They care a lot more about 100,000 people quitting.

Merouk Baas
Gallente
Posted - 2011.06.30 21:12:00 - [13224]
 

Judging by the server stats at www.eve-offline.net, if you guys are all quitting, at least an equal amount of newbies are joining the game.

AkJon Ferguson
JC Ferguson and Son Ltd
Ferguson Alliance
Posted - 2011.06.30 21:14:00 - [13225]
 

And comparing a loyal customer who quits after several years to a noob who tries a free trial for 2 weeks is meaningful because?

Oh wait, sorry, you're a dev alt, nvm.

Lee Anderson
Eternal Profiteers
Posted - 2011.06.30 21:19:00 - [13226]
 

Originally by: Merouk Baas
Judging by the server stats at www.eve-offline.net, if you guys are all quitting, at least an equal amount of newbies are joining the game.

+1 :) this is why CCP don't care lol. and i love it space is clearing up

Capsuleer Newton
Amarr
Posted - 2011.06.30 21:20:00 - [13227]
 

Edited by: Capsuleer Newton on 30/06/2011 21:20:43
Originally by: Merouk Baas
Judging by the server stats at www.eve-offline.net, if you guys are all quitting, at least an equal amount of newbies are joining the game.


You do realize that when one says it has cancelled subscription, the remaining time left in his/her current subscription is still active, no? And most players currently wants to hear the outcome of the CSM-CCP meeting.

I have one toon that will end on July 27, the other on the 2nd week August, although i haven't decided to leave for good or stay, my toons are currently unsubscribed.

RougeOperator
Posted - 2011.06.30 21:21:00 - [13228]
 

Originally by: Merouk Baas
I don't know what you guys expect from this CSM meeting.

I was laughing at the CSM's initial attitude that "we're gonna go there and show CCP what's what." CCP could have communicated with the CSM via email or tweets or whatever other online method, and the only thing that makes sense in my mind as a reason for paying for their tickets to get them on the premises is to have the whole CSM team sign a new NDA, then recruit them as PR to help fix the bad publicity.

Why do you think they're there?

You're all asking if the NEX cash-for-ships and cash-for-skills will be implemented... YES THEY WILL otherwise CCP would have said categorically NO by now. They're in financial trouble, they're losing their company, they will "fix" it the only (idiotic) way they know how.

Such drama on the forums. Any sane person stops paying for something they don't like, and if said thing improves they come back, otherwise they stay away.


Yes they went there to basically become the mouthpiece that will sell this crap to the playerbase.

thoth rothschild
Method of Destruction
Snatch Victory
Posted - 2011.06.30 21:22:00 - [13229]
 

Edited by: thoth rothschild on 30/06/2011 21:24:04
yes, no noobs showing but also no one leaving.
All the players will stay as long as they do own some shiny ships and the server runs.

<Quote Hilmar> Do care more for players actions less for what they say </quote>


Originally by: Capsuleer Newton


You do realize that when one says it has cancelled subscription, the remaining time left in his/her current subscription is still active, no? And most players currently wants to hear the outcome of the CSM-CCP meeting.

I have one toon that will end on July 27, the other on the 2nd week August, although i haven't decided to leave for good or stay, my toons are currently unsubscribed.



these numbers are the numbers of players online. Someone who cancels would not log in? would he ? if yes i'm pretty sure he will chicken and pay one more month ;)

Merouk Baas
Gallente
Posted - 2011.06.30 21:24:00 - [13230]
 

Originally by: Capsuleer Newton
You do realize that when one says it has cancelled subscription, the remaining time left in his/her current subscription is still active, no? And most players currently wants to hear the outcome of the CSM-CCP meeting.



I agree, but this 400 page thread is about emo-quitting, so apparently that means "angrily push the cancel subscription button, then make an angry post, then log in and play as normal?"


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