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whitesonar
Posted - 2011.06.29 22:20:00 - [13051]
 

o7 folks. I'm pretty sure CCP would be really pleased if some of you (as many as possible) went to their youtube videos and shared some of your feelings on the subject too; perhaps the dust videos trying to attract new players would help get their attention.

white

Kewso
Posted - 2011.06.29 22:20:00 - [13052]
 

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So much drama there is already a movie about it!

Twisted Evil

Kailithi
Posted - 2011.06.29 22:31:00 - [13053]
 

Originally by: Ranger 1


I personally prefer to stick with realities rather than hypothetical and unlikely what if's.




Given this thread have been running a week, had 1.5 million page views, over 13,000 replies and gained bad press around the world - yet recieved not a single world from the CEO*, what else is there but to speculate?

*(Actually he did comment, in an internal memo that all but called up a bunch of whinging geese and to ignore us until we stop honking and get down to buying monocles. You did note he's counting the monocles sold and telling the staff to stay the course...)

All they are doing is staying absolutely silent, playing for time and summoning the CSM to Iceland were anything they are told can me monitored and sealed with a NDA. Then anything the CSM agree - on our behalf - is rolled out becausee we voted them to represent our wishes...

So, in your happy world of realities, given what you know, what do you think is coming next?

(AFK a while, selling my shares in CCP and trading them for shares in Durex, I've a feeling the remaining EvE Online players will be buying a lot of lube when the rest of the NeX store roll out ;) )

Mr Mickey
Posted - 2011.06.29 22:35:00 - [13054]
 

2 days till sub runs out?,,, i hope they say they will not sell **** for aur.. i love the game... but its too much.. just one step to far.

Major Connie Chung
Gallente
Center for Advanced Studies
Posted - 2011.06.29 22:42:00 - [13055]
 

Originally by: whitesonar
o7 folks. I'm pretty sure CCP would be really pleased if some of you (as many as possible) went to their youtube videos and shared some of your feelings on the subject too; perhaps the dust videos trying to attract new players would help get their attention.

white


Fantastic idea, the related vids are good usually. Search for mintchiplol, her summary is great.

Jimmy Duce
Chaotic Tranquility
Posted - 2011.06.29 22:46:00 - [13056]
 

Quote:

Are you moving beyond VANITY AUR items?






Greed, is so distructive...




This question is for Eve and Eve only, I don't care if I can buy gold ammo for DUST players, as long as that isn't implemented in Eve we are cool. Hell use your legal team to come up with the answer specifying that other games that influence Eve may have gold ammo but Eve itself never will.

Kewso
Posted - 2011.06.29 22:50:00 - [13057]
 

Will you allow us to purchase prostitutes and strippers for our quarters with AUR?



The players must know!

Kailithi
Posted - 2011.06.29 23:02:00 - [13058]
 

Originally by: Kewso

Will you allow us to purchase prostitutes and strippers for our quarters with AUR?



The players must know!


OK, maybe Aurum is not so... aaah, crap, my wife...

*legs it*

Katarlia Simov
Minmatar
Cowboys From Hell
Posted - 2011.06.29 23:13:00 - [13059]
 

Originally by: Kewso

Will you allow us to purchase prostitutes and strippers for our quarters with AUR?



The players must know!


Now thats a vanity item I can get behind.

Also, can we have a /grind command ?

Datacore Farmer5
Posted - 2011.06.29 23:27:00 - [13060]
 

Originally by: Kewso

Will you allow us to purchase prostitutes and strippers for our quarters with AUR?



The players must know!


I'd cough up a few days of training to let my Exotic Dancers learn more skills...

Ranger 1
Amarr
Ranger Corp
Posted - 2011.06.29 23:31:00 - [13061]
 

Edited by: Ranger 1 on 29/06/2011 23:38:34
Originally by: Kailithi
Originally by: Ranger 1


I personally prefer to stick with realities rather than hypothetical and unlikely what if's.




Given this thread have been running a week, had 1.5 million page views, over 13,000 replies and gained bad press around the world - yet recieved not a single world from the CEO*, what else is there but to speculate?

*(Actually he did comment, in an internal memo that all but called up a bunch of whinging geese and to ignore us until we stop honking and get down to buying monocles. You did note he's counting the monocles sold and telling the staff to stay the course...)

All they are doing is staying absolutely silent, playing for time and summoning the CSM to Iceland were anything they are told can me monitored and sealed with a NDA. Then anything the CSM agree - on our behalf - is rolled out becausee we voted them to represent our wishes...

So, in your happy world of realities, given what you know, what do you think is coming next?

(AFK a while, selling my shares in CCP and trading them for shares in Durex, I've a feeling the remaining EvE Online players will be buying a lot of lube when the rest of the NeX store roll out ;) )


What do I expect to happen next?

Fair question.

1: I expect at the CSM meeting some of the future plans for the NeX will be spelled out in more detail.

2: I expect that those future plans will include items/services that while not strictly non-vanity items are also far from pay-to-win scenario's. One example would be to use AURUM to buy player owned store fronts/bars where players can earn ISK from their establishments, or similar proposals. Thus explaining why there has been no blanket no non-vanity item statement as that would also cover those goods/services.

3: I expect them to firmly state that MT will remain part of their overall plan, and why.

4: I expect them to outline why the NeX items released so far are very high dollar. I suspect it has to do with keeping demand reasonable at first so as not to send too many ripples through the PLEX market.

5: I expect them to reinforce that the views of the player base do have value to them, and point out some of the many examples where they have heeded that advice. I would also not be surprised if they (hopefully tactfully, LOL) pointed out that while the feedback has value, it can not be allowed to directly dictate corporate policy. I also expect them to point out the reason for Hilmar's email, that the only feedback they can really rely on in this situation is what the players do... mainly because of the heavy trolling that has been occurring on the forums surrounding this issue on both sides.

6: I expect them to give a rough timeline of the next steps in the MT process. At least as far as they can without compromising themselves through any possible leaks to their competition.

7: And finally (yes this is cynical and catty of me) I expect that as this information is revealed part of the forum community will declare victory and pat themselves on the back for keeping CCP in line. I expect the rest of the forum community to get to work trying their best to theory craft the worst possible what-if scenarios possible... partially out of habit, partially to preserve their sense of dignity.

That's the main points, we'll see how close I am when it's over.

Kailithi
Posted - 2011.06.29 23:32:00 - [13062]
 

At last, I found out why CCP haven't replied to this thread yet, they can't see it : Arrow

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Kailithi
Posted - 2011.06.29 23:59:00 - [13063]
 

@Ranger1

Good answers to be honest. Can't fault them but for one fact, if their intentions were so Noble CCP would have said those very things already.

People aren't angry about the mental stuff in the store, they are angry at everything else - including the lack of response, the name calling behind our backs, the buggy, untested rollout of Incarna and fear of what's ahead. There's a lot of really, really clever players in the EvE community - and the best and brightest are saying, 'sod this, I can't be arsed with this BS, I'm off'

If the management and directors had been more open and honest, had spelled it out to the CSM and looked for a way to improve things we'd have helped.

Look at WoW, the pets and mounts bring in tens, possibly hundreds of millions of dollars for Activision. At worst the players on the sparkly ponies get laughed at. Personally I find Activisions greed disgusting and unpalatable, but they show that a subs plus rtm model can work, if the fan base is devoted enough.

When you start ****ting in peoples sandbox though, people start looking for a cleaner beach, hmmm...

If CCP said 'ok guys, are we ok to offer decals, paint jobs, etc...?', they would be few if any issues. (The Greed is Good? Hilmers memo and the idiot dev blogs and whinging to Icelandic papers though...)

I don't personally give a rats turd about 'cultural differences' and how Icelandics are, they are an international company with offices and staff around the globe. They have PR for when the **** hits the fan. And telling the PR to stay the **** out of it is NOT professional, it's dellusional.

If we were dealing with sane, rational people then yes, your scenario is what we'd expect. Personally I think that directors of CCP are away with the fairies and I am astounded that the VC investors and third parties like Sony have sat back on this!

Kailithi
Posted - 2011.06.30 00:05:00 - [13064]
 

Right, last post and I'm off to bed, next shift can take over!

CSM enter another round of negotiations with CCP :


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Rakshasa Taisab
Caldari
Sane Industries Inc.
Posted - 2011.06.30 00:08:00 - [13065]
 

This thread needs to hit 500 pages by tomorrow morning!

Viking Sven
Posted - 2011.06.30 00:10:00 - [13066]
 

Originally by: Kailithi
epic picture


lulz.

Yabba Addict
Posted - 2011.06.30 00:10:00 - [13067]
 

That wouldn't surprise me

Viking Sven
Posted - 2011.06.30 00:14:00 - [13068]
 

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Sorry monoclers. You still look like fat d-bags.

Kewso
Posted - 2011.06.30 00:21:00 - [13069]
 

Originally by: Viking Sven
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Sorry monoclers. You still look like fat d-bags.



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That is the correct way to wear a monocle...

dark Quantum
Posted - 2011.06.30 00:37:00 - [13070]
 

es ist einfach nur eine frechheit,in einem abo-mmo einen ingame shop zu installieren. gut, optische anpassungsmöglichkeiten gegen echtes geld .... da hab ich geraaaaaade noch so verständniss für. schließlich können aktive spieler (mich selbst eingeschlossen) mindestens einen account in der regel auch über ingame währung (isk) finanzieren. sehr viele spieler tun das. andererseits ist jeder mit isk finanzierte monat, im vorfeld schon von jemandem mit echtem geld bezahlt worden (plex). hinter dem ingame shop steht also nichts anderes als (welch "überraschung") die pure geldgier seitens ccp. lange rede, kurzer sinn: sollte ccp wirklich exclusiv über den ingame shop wie angedroht schiffe, module etc verkaufen, die spielern einen spielerischen vorteil verschaffen, werde ich meine 2 accounts an den nagel hängen....so sehr ich eve auch liebe!

Haunting Widow
SKEET ELITE
Posted - 2011.06.30 00:46:00 - [13071]
 

Originally by: dark Quantum
es ist einfach nur eine frechheit,in einem abo-mmo einen ingame shop zu installieren. gut, optische anpassungsmöglichkeiten gegen echtes geld .... da hab ich geraaaaaade noch so verständniss für. schließlich können aktive spieler (mich selbst eingeschlossen) mindestens einen account in der regel auch über ingame währung (isk) finanzieren. sehr viele spieler tun das. andererseits ist jeder mit isk finanzierte monat, im vorfeld schon von jemandem mit echtem geld bezahlt worden (plex). hinter dem ingame shop steht also nichts anderes als (welch "überraschung") die pure geldgier seitens ccp. lange rede, kurzer sinn: sollte ccp wirklich exclusiv über den ingame shop wie angedroht schiffe, module etc verkaufen, die spielern einen spielerischen vorteil verschaffen, werde ich meine 2 accounts an den nagel hängen....so sehr ich eve auch liebe!


It suddenly seems very important to know how to read German right now... I don't know what he's saying so I donno if he's in support of protest or not lol.

Zabo
Posted - 2011.06.30 00:56:00 - [13072]
 

'Currently we are seeing _very predictable feedback_ on what we are doing. Having the perspective of having done this for a decade, I can tell you that this is one of the moments where we look at what our players do and less of what they say. Innovation takes time to set in and the predictable reaction is always to resist change.'

My subs are running down, and it doesnt really bother me, to be honest. Hilmer does have a point though, almost 500 pages and how many will actually quit forever? Not as many as we might think.

Dont get me wrong, I am not in favour of what CCP have done, far from it.

Wonder Pets
Caldari
The Executioners
Posted - 2011.06.30 00:57:00 - [13073]
 

I don't know if this has been linked and I'm not going to read through 400+ pages to find out...lol. Cast your vote....
http://www.eveonline.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=1395464&page=1

Capsuleer Newton
Amarr
Posted - 2011.06.30 00:59:00 - [13074]
 

Originally by: Ranger 1

1: You mean any player with large amounts of liquid ISK or large real life wallets. Just like the rest of the EVE economy.

2: You are forgetting that there is a HUGE surplus in unused PLEX floating around. You are also overlooking the basic market forces that keep the price of PLEX in bounds. Demand increases > PLEX prices rise and become more profitable to resell > More players buy PLEX to resell > abundant supply and competition drives prices back down > Low prices cause few players to buy PLEX for resale > supplies drop and demand increases > and so the cycle continues.

You should also consider that the game desperately needs more ISK sinks as it is. This, however, is not an ISK sink.

Finally, of course they are trying to bolster their income. They would be a complete business failure if they didn't explore those options. This is one of the main reasons why purchasing skill points boosts, outside of the system we already have with the ability to buy a highly skilled character full blown, is very unlikely to occur. It would ultimately do more damage to their income stream than it would generate.

I personally prefer to stick with realities rather than hypothetical and unlikely what if's.




Not everyone currently playing have the liquid isk, that means a newbie should have either have access to a credit card or has a huge liquid isk reserve, which means, if you're not rich and don't have connections [with old established players], then you should not be playing this game, no?

Aside from such, well established allainces have the initial advantage from acquiring the goodies in the NeX first than new start-up corps, which will not help in game balance.

The PLEX surplus makes the market stable, take it out and the prices will spike, its a buffer.

And finally, yes, IT MAY BOLSTER CCP's income, if its succesful, but even if its not, this MT market will be capitalized more by Illegal RMT'ers, especially if they can buy stuff with aurum and use contracts to sell it to the market at premium prices.

And pertaining to players being able to buy toons with the proper training of their liking, we should note that this said toons they bought trained the skills the old fashion way by someone else.

So again, will MT benefit every player equally? especially with Non-vanity items?IdeaIdeaIdea

Naradius
DEATHFUNK
Posted - 2011.06.30 01:43:00 - [13075]
 

I would just like more time spent by CCP, on fixing lag, completing half finished features (dating years back), fixing bugs (dating years back) and on making the ultimate sandbox adventure, instead of all this fluffy, buggy crap, that adds nothing to my game play experience...except frustration!

jackaloped
Posted - 2011.06.30 01:56:00 - [13076]
 

Originally by: Naradius
I would just like more time spent by CCP, on fixing lag, completing half finished features (dating years back), fixing bugs (dating years back) and on making the ultimate sandbox adventure, instead of all this fluffy, buggy crap, that adds nothing to my game play experience...except frustration!



This and take a several devs off of WOD dust and incarna/transactions and put them in space eve.

Tako Wasabi
Posted - 2011.06.30 02:21:00 - [13077]
 

Edited by: Tako Wasabi on 30/06/2011 02:22:16
with a legally binding contract stating the current and future staff of CCP will commit a group suicide should they go back on their word to not sell game changing items in the AUR, I may be persuaded to believe them.





oh, and PAGE 437

KwaLevu
Caldari
Lost in Missions
Posted - 2011.06.30 02:23:00 - [13078]
 

http://www.starfleetcomms.com/content/eve_hungary_interview_ccp_chiliad_captains_quarters_and_npe

interesting ....

Zuquar Bonaparte
New Dawn Corporation
Circle-Of-Two
Posted - 2011.06.30 02:47:00 - [13079]
 

Edited by: Zuquar Bonaparte on 30/06/2011 02:48:32
Originally by: Ranger 1
Edited by: Ranger 1 on 29/06/2011 23:38:34

Fair question.

1: I expect at the CSM meeting some of the future plans for the NeX will be spelled out in more detail.

2: I expect that those future plans will include items/services that while not strictly non-vanity items are also far from pay-to-win scenario's. One example would be to use AURUM to buy player owned store fronts/bars where players can earn ISK from their establishments, or similar proposals. Thus explaining why there has been no blanket no non-vanity item statement as that would also cover those goods/services.

3: I expect them to firmly state that MT will remain part of their overall plan, and why.

4: I expect them to outline why the NeX items released so far are very high dollar. I suspect it has to do with keeping demand reasonable at first so as not to send too many ripples through the PLEX market.

5: I expect them to reinforce that the views of the player base do have value to them, and point out some of the many examples where they have heeded that advice. I would also not be surprised if they (hopefully tactfully, LOL) pointed out that while the feedback has value, it can not be allowed to directly dictate corporate policy. I also expect them to point out the reason for Hilmar's email, that the only feedback they can really rely on in this situation is what the players do... mainly because of the heavy trolling that has been occurring on the forums surrounding this issue on both sides.

6: I expect them to give a rough timeline of the next steps in the MT process. At least as far as they can without compromising themselves through any possible leaks to their competition.

7: And finally (yes this is cynical and catty of me) I expect that as this information is revealed part of the forum community will declare victory and pat themselves on the back for keeping CCP in line. I expect the rest of the forum community to get to work trying their best to theory craft the worst possible what-if scenarios possible... partially out of habit, partially to preserve their sense of dignity.

That's the main points, we'll see how close I am when it's over.



Damn, i vote you take Hilmar,s seat,seriously, as if CCP had come out before even patching incarna and said what you said in point 1-4 to me then i would have had no problem at all, and i really do love this game , which is why all the silence and arogant leakd docu,s and so on has left me with very little faith in them, but i hope they learnt there lesson this time, as 1 more incident like this and game is dead for sure as we the older players know it.

very well put.


Adunh Slavy
Ammatar Trade Syndicate
Posted - 2011.06.30 03:03:00 - [13080]
 

A conversation about selling SP for cash ... someone gives the thread a great response, worth reading,

http://www.eveonline.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=1541099&page=3#61


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