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Viking Sven
Posted - 2011.06.29 14:47:00 - [12961]
 

Originally by: Private Boo
Pann ... now that's a blast from the past ..

One question "why was Mongo Peck" the only person ever to be perma banned under the old forum rules and never given
and amnesty like everyone else ....... Does CCP hate go that deep ?


You're talking to yourself... you will find no Pann here.

Zarak1 Kenpach1
Minmatar
Aperture Harmonics
Posted - 2011.06.29 14:47:00 - [12962]
 

Edited by: Zarak1 Kenpach1 on 29/06/2011 14:48:33
Quote:
For now. They were kicking around the idea of Ammo and more for Aur. And it wasnt just the opinion parts of the newsletter.


no they werent. and the CSM meeting is really a CSM interrogation because ccp cant imagine an employee of theirs having a conscience and leaking it. you just watch. they dont wanna fix a thing. they just wanna find out who decided this was all wrong and wasnt gonna stand for it.

nothing will come from this "summit" asides from the dismissal of 1 or many innocent CSM members.


Marcus Vorenius
Caldari
Task Force 42
Posted - 2011.06.29 14:49:00 - [12963]
 

Edited by: Marcus Vorenius on 30/06/2011 12:11:48
Originally by: Kendra Wilkinson

- In a cave in iceland?
- Playing with his dog doll ? he's recieve one form last patch
- Watching ponyz anime?
- Banned from forum/game (and nobody gonna make a "free miilia thread")
- Who care ?

and maybe it's time to stop ask whatever and wait till ccp met csm

PS: nothing personnal towards you in my answer


Hi Kendra - please quote me in full, put a /snip in or don't - thank you

I would have agreed with you around page 150 - a solid wall of text from concerned customers are more important than spamming, trolling and going for page views and posts. However, what have impressed me the most is the number of players coming into this thread and posting "I don't normally post on the forums, but .... " or "My first and last post here ....". These very important contribution have been quoted - and kept alive - by Constantinus and Miilli with a perserverenace and dedication you can only get from EVE Pilots. Remember, Internet spaceships are serious business.

Vandrion
Gallente
The Collective
B O R G
Posted - 2011.06.29 15:01:00 - [12964]
 

Edited by: Vandrion on 29/06/2011 15:01:39
The level of stupidity is rising........

I hope some people don't breed......

Leonard Delmordaine
Posted - 2011.06.29 15:26:00 - [12965]
 

bump for ccp stupidity!

1Robert McNamara1
Posted - 2011.06.29 15:39:00 - [12966]
 

Edited by: 1Robert McNamara1 on 29/06/2011 15:42:29
Just to weigh in on the most popular topic in eve since any big player heist.


The model makes total sense. CCP's character has been changing over the years. The impact of those changes is just now coming to light, and will likely be felt for the life of the game.

The character change is evident with the last Eve-Fan Fest. Historically all video and sessions were available for free via YouTube or CCP hosting. It was a great international marketing event to make people excited for the future. Last years was Pay-to-view-live, no video on demand. Hard for players to get mad at, but still an indicator that CCP's 'cash in' phase has started.

The old model:
Slave away making ships, guns, stations, missions, epic archs, new ways to make ISK through toil, all that. Their reward? incremental increases in subscriptions. Subscriptions require more servers, more effort, more employees, less margin.

The New model:
The old model remains, but is placed in a maintenance mode. New growth and the future of the game will be dictated by new elements: Slave away making clothes, trinkets, whatever and get paid handsomely for changing an entry in a database. Giant margin.

If players leave, that's fine! The investments in hardware / existing code-base is spent. A smaller player base means no need to re-invent the server farm again, means fewer support staff, means a lot of costs stop raising and start lowering. Meanwhile the new player base, keen to spend cash for fast advancement, steps in and provides CCP with the margin rich bounty they have cultivated.

It's not the death of EVE or CCP, they will be fine. Just the nature of the game has shifted.

Blacken Dekar
Gallente
Dark Sun Legion
Posted - 2011.06.29 15:56:00 - [12967]
 

The link further up in the post was interesting, the Pay to Win BS from the EA Games designer/manager. The most important thing though is that Eve is not a "free to play" game, Gold Ammo and other advantageous purchases should not apply, if they do, there will be a mass exodus and only the Russians that use real world cash will be left. If they can afford to pay PL for 12-18 months, there's no doubt they could afford to purchase so many skill points that their characters would become maxed out.

Solomunio Kzenig
Amarr
Indicium Technologies
Hephaestus Forge Alliance
Posted - 2011.06.29 16:10:00 - [12968]
 

Edited by: Solomunio Kzenig on 29/06/2011 16:20:09
Originally by: Mingloid


A base stat scorpion with a paint job is Vanity. There's no advantage to the paint job. No new slots, no added stats. It's just a Vanity item.


Ahh my friend you miss the point completely, this Gold Scorp comes to you by magic for $$$, no minerals mined from the game, no loot refined from the game, no BPO researched, no BPC's copied, no production slots occupied making it, no player involved shipping it to market etc, etc, etc. and no player getting ISK for its production. So while it is technicaly a 'vanity item' its effect is game breaking.

Imryn Xaran
Caldari
Coherent Light Enterprises
Posted - 2011.06.29 16:17:00 - [12969]
 

Better late than never I suppose...

1. A statement that there will never be anything but vanity items in the MT store. No dodging or hedging - a clear cut statement.

2. Give us back the hanger view - make CQ optional

As you can see, I don't want much. An apology would be nice (not from you, from the people who owe us one) but I don't really expect one. I don't care about the MT as long as it only ever sells vanity items you can sell as many pairs of $1000 jeans you want to - I may even buy a pair myself one day (if I ever have the money and get really really drunk)

The thing is that asking for calm is just crap. We have got here by NOT being calm, and if we let up now you will just go back to business as usual. I call on everyone to go nuts. The only reason we have got CCP's attention is by protesting, and the only way we keep it is by continuing to protest.

My 3 subs are cancelled, and will remain so until my 2 needs are met. My 3 subs are nothing to CCP, but the press is reporting over 5000 subs cancelled, and you at CCP can tell when that will start to bite.

Hormus
Posted - 2011.06.29 16:20:00 - [12970]
 

Originally by: Mingloid
Originally by: Nath Blazek
Originally by: KwaLevu
Originally by: Mercedes Bens


Are you moving beyond VANITY AUR items?








Yes, how many times does this have to be answered? Aur for Scorpion is built



A base stat scorpion with a paint job is Vanity. There's no advantage to the paint job. No new slots, no added stats. It's just a Vanity item.


Yes, but players manufacture those. If you buy it from NEX then you bypass them.

Spanking Monkeys
Posted - 2011.06.29 16:22:00 - [12971]
 

SO...
is CQ gonna be optional like you said it woudl be ccp?

ive been waiting for a answer

Ranger 1
Amarr
Ranger Corp
Posted - 2011.06.29 16:22:00 - [12972]
 

Originally by: Solomunio Kzenig
Originally by: Mingloid


A base stat scorpion with a paint job is Vanity. There's no advantage to the paint job. No new slots, no added stats. It's just a Vanity item.


Ahh my firend you miss the point completely, this Gold Scorp comes to you by magic for $$$, no minerals mined from the game, no loot refined from the game, no BPO researched, no BPC's copied, no production slots occupied making it, no player involved shipping it to market etc, etc, etc. and no player getting ISK for its production. So while it is technicaly a 'vanity item' its effect is game breaking.


Except, of course, that the process you describe was never intended to be the process when paint jobs become widely available.

When people said they would be nervous even about the short term, quick and dirty test that was proposed, they immediately decided to hold off a bit until the full system could be implemented.

Your point?

Ef Ahak
Posted - 2011.06.29 16:30:00 - [12973]
 

Originally by: CCP Pann
...
As I see it, the chief complaint is regarding the high cost of goods in the Noble Market.
...


This is mind boggling... There are two options here. Either you really think the above, or you don't.

In the first case - you really think this is the reason for the bash - are you for real? I don't work with EVE. I have a social life, friends and a job. I spend some time in here (especially now) because I really enjoy EVE. It would take me about 3 minutes, tops, had I been a totally new player, to see what the 'chief complaint' is. How come someone actively working on this game cannot?

The second case - you don't think MT price of vanity items is the 'chief complaint' - this means you are literally lying.

Those are the only alternatives describing your choice of words and both are disgruntling at the least.

To make it totally clear:
  • Very few players care about vanity item prices. Taken some do, it is not even closely related to the complaint you (think(?) you) are addressing as the 'chief complaint'.

  • Even though the graphical issues (mostly sloppy shader coding) annoy people - the current storm is not based on performance issues, but the introduction of redundant material due to non-existant communication with the player base. The trust is the main issue - not the frame drop.

  • MT including non-vanity items (e.g. game altering mechanics for money) is the core issue and if not more - the lies revolving the same. This is why a significant part of your playerbase is revolting. This knowledge should not be hard to condense and extract from reading the forums.

Adunh Slavy
Ammatar Trade Syndicate
Posted - 2011.06.29 16:30:00 - [12974]
 

Edited by: Adunh Slavy on 29/06/2011 16:30:34
Originally by: Ranger 1
Originally by: Solomunio Kzenig
Originally by: Mingloid


A base stat scorpion with a paint job is Vanity. There's no advantage to the paint job. No new slots, no added stats. It's just a Vanity item.


Ahh my firend you miss the point completely, this Gold Scorp comes to you by magic for $$$, no minerals mined from the game, no loot refined from the game, no BPO researched, no BPC's copied, no production slots occupied making it, no player involved shipping it to market etc, etc, etc. and no player getting ISK for its production. So while it is technicaly a 'vanity item' its effect is game breaking.


Except, of course, that the process you describe was never intended to be the process when paint jobs become widely available.

When people said they would be nervous even about the short term, quick and dirty test that was proposed, they immediately decided to hold off a bit until the full system could be implemented.

Your point?


They should have never contemplated the "test", as you put it, in the first place. Having gone forward with the idea/"test" indicates either a short sighted view of the sandbox, read bull shopping for china, or they intended to turn up the heat in the pan of water for all us spaceship flying frogs.

Kendra Wilkinson
Posted - 2011.06.29 16:36:00 - [12975]
 

Originally by: Marcus Vorenius
Originally by: Kendra Wilkinson
Originally by: Marcus Vorenius

where is Miillia?

- In a cave in iceland?
- Playing with his dog doll ? he's recieve one form last patch
- Watching ponyz anime?
- Banned from forum/game (and nobody gonna make a "free miilia thread")
- Who care ?

and maybe it's time to stop ask whatever and wait till ccp met csm

PS: nothing personnal towards you in my answer


Hi Kendra - please quote me in full, put a /snip in or don't - thank you

I would have agreed with you around page 150 - a solid wall of text from concerned customers are more important than spamming, trolling and going for page views and posts. However, what have impressed me the most is the number of players coming into this thread and posting "I don't normally post on the forums, but .... " or "My first and last post here ....". These very important contribution have been quoted - and kept alive - by Constantinus and Miilli with a perserverenace and dedication you can only get from EVE Pilots. Remember, Internet spaceships are serious business.


Sorry about that , i've edit my post.
Be sure that this was nothing to discredit you or any other bad intention.
My quote was about the fact that this guy and his post rage are a wound for the forum
Like I was completely in agreement with the rest of your post i just delete the rest for not abuse of pyramid quote.

Really there was nothing bad in my mind when i've done that.

And yes Internet spaceships still a serious business

Capsuleer Newton
Amarr
Posted - 2011.06.29 16:37:00 - [12976]
 

Originally by: Hormus
Originally by: Mingloid
Originally by: Nath Blazek


Yes, how many times does this have to be answered? Aur for Scorpion is built



A base stat scorpion with a paint job is Vanity. There's no advantage to the paint job. No new slots, no added stats. It's just a Vanity item.


Yes, but players manufacture those. If you buy it from NEX then you bypass them.



During a discussion at the Alliance Tournament, CCP made a 180 on the Ishukone Scorpion, you'll need a regular scorpion and some aurum to convert it to the golden scorpion, and stats are the same as the regular scorpion. so, you could say it's just bling...

Holden Heath
Posted - 2011.06.29 16:39:00 - [12977]
 

Edited by: Holden Heath on 29/06/2011 16:39:30
Skip the beginning of the game

CCP's inspiration?

Tugrath Akers
Posted - 2011.06.29 16:40:00 - [12978]
 

Originally by: Holden Heath
http://www.engadget.com/2011/06/28/world-of-warcraft-starter-edition-lets-you-reach-lvl-20-for-free/

CCP's inspiration?


Does the starter edition cost $1500 and come with a free pair of pants?

Malak Alraheem
Minmatar
Posted - 2011.06.29 16:40:00 - [12979]
 

Originally by: Capsuleer Newton
Originally by: Hormus
Originally by: Mingloid
Originally by: Nath Blazek


Yes, how many times does this have to be answered? Aur for Scorpion is built



A base stat scorpion with a paint job is Vanity. There's no advantage to the paint job. No new slots, no added stats. It's just a Vanity item.


Yes, but players manufacture those. If you buy it from NEX then you bypass them.



During a discussion at the Alliance Tournament, CCP made a 180 on the Ishukone Scorpion, you'll need a regular scorpion and some aurum to convert it to the golden scorpion, and stats are the same as the regular scorpion. so, you could say it's just bling...


Yes, as I understood it from listening to him drone on, the purchase did require the player to submit a regular ship as part of the transaction (like the LP store). Personally I would still rather see you get a run BPC instead for it.

Kendra Wilkinson
Posted - 2011.06.29 16:43:00 - [12980]
 

Originally by: Holden Heath
Edited by: Holden Heath on 29/06/2011 16:39:30
Skip the beginning of the game

CCP's inspiration?


i think the community are afraid for their sandbox and not asking for an attendedbox

Jimmy Duce
Chaotic Tranquility
Posted - 2011.06.29 16:43:00 - [12981]
 

Quote:

Are you moving beyond VANITY AUR items?






Greed, is so distructive...




This question is for Eve and Eve only, I don't care if I can buy gold ammo for DUST players, as long as that isn't implemented in Eve we are cool. Hell use your legal team to come up with the answer specifying that other games that influence Eve may have gold ammo but Eve itself never will.


Quote:

Are you moving beyond VANITY AUR items?



Possible answer?

A simple no Eve itself will never have non-vanity AUR items but Dust and potentially other future tie in games may would have been sufficient...







Pesadel0
the muppets
RED.OverLord
Posted - 2011.06.29 16:43:00 - [12982]
 

So anything new?

Marcus Vorenius
Caldari
Task Force 42
Posted - 2011.06.29 16:45:00 - [12983]
 

Originally by: Kendra Wilkinson

/snip

And yes Internet spaceships still a serious business



My apology as well - should have responded to your edit comment. It's all cool beans, no offence taken at all. Check around page 100 for offence, thats x-rated if the mods haven't cleaned it up yet :)

Vandrion
Gallente
The Collective
B O R G
Posted - 2011.06.29 16:47:00 - [12984]
 

Edited by: Vandrion on 29/06/2011 16:50:13
Originally by: Ranger 1
Originally by: Solomunio Kzenig
Originally by: Mingloid


A base stat scorpion with a paint job is Vanity. There's no advantage to the paint job. No new slots, no added stats. It's just a Vanity item.


Ahh my firend you miss the point completely, this Gold Scorp comes to you by magic for $$$, no minerals mined from the game, no loot refined from the game, no BPO researched, no BPC's copied, no production slots occupied making it, no player involved shipping it to market etc, etc, etc. and no player getting ISK for its production. So while it is technicaly a 'vanity item' its effect is game breaking.


Except, of course, that the process you describe was never intended to be the process when paint jobs become widely available.

When people said they would be nervous even about the short term, quick and dirty test that was proposed, they immediately decided to hold off a bit until the full system could be implemented.

Your point?


Did you listen/watch the interview during the AT9 broadcast about this ship? This was not a test. This was putting it into the game as a magic ship for dollars until late fall when they could design a bpc for it..... This is another example of the spin CCP has been putting on things. I don't care that the CSM was told it was going to be a test. CCP Magic Ship Man said it was going to be out in to the NEX this summer and not "fixed" until fall.....

Ranger 1
Amarr
Ranger Corp
Posted - 2011.06.29 16:57:00 - [12985]
 

Originally by: Vandrion
Edited by: Vandrion on 29/06/2011 16:50:13
Originally by: Ranger 1
Originally by: Solomunio Kzenig
Originally by: Mingloid


A base stat scorpion with a paint job is Vanity. There's no advantage to the paint job. No new slots, no added stats. It's just a Vanity item.


Ahh my firend you miss the point completely, this Gold Scorp comes to you by magic for $$$, no minerals mined from the game, no loot refined from the game, no BPO researched, no BPC's copied, no production slots occupied making it, no player involved shipping it to market etc, etc, etc. and no player getting ISK for its production. So while it is technicaly a 'vanity item' its effect is game breaking.


Except, of course, that the process you describe was never intended to be the process when paint jobs become widely available.

When people said they would be nervous even about the short term, quick and dirty test that was proposed, they immediately decided to hold off a bit until the full system could be implemented.

Your point?


Did you listen/watch the interview during the AT9 broadcast about this ship? This was not a test. This was putting it into the game as a magic ship for dollars until late fall when they could design a bpc for it..... This is another example of the spin CCP has been putting on things. I don't care that the CSM was told it was going to be a test. CCP Magic Ship Man said it was going to be out in to the NEX this summer and not "fixed" until fall.....


That would be the definition of a limited duration test run.

They also said if the numbers sold began to have a negative impact on the economy, they could and would pull it at any time.

They also announced it in advance.

When they still got negative feedback on it, they listened to that feedback and cancelled the test until it could be implemented in a better way.

So reacting to player feedback is a bad thing now apparently.


centurion zulu
Phantom Squad
Atlas.
Posted - 2011.06.29 16:59:00 - [12986]
 


New's Flash.

CCP is holding off on improvements while the peeps are buying new video cards and other NVIDIA goodies.

Considering their in bed with each other it's expected.

The game response time is slow as hell, walking in stations fail miserably ( now normal ).

Otherwise, nothing new to report.

Grek Forto
Crosshair Corp
Posted - 2011.06.29 17:01:00 - [12987]
 

Adding my voice to the concern that there might be non-vanity AUR items in the future.

Maya Firewish
Posted - 2011.06.29 17:14:00 - [12988]
 

"Nothing in the NeX is mandatory, no pilot is forced to buy anything from there." - GM Hxxxx. Who clearly has understood the issue..

Markus Jome
Posted - 2011.06.29 17:15:00 - [12989]
 

Originally by: Holden Heath
Edited by: Holden Heath on 29/06/2011 16:39:30
Skip the beginning of the game

CCP's inspiration?


Do i see right that Blizzard is currently going the opposite way of CCP? Strike!

Roberto Esperanza
Posted - 2011.06.29 17:20:00 - [12990]
 

This game is/was wonderful because hardly any decision a player made about anything wasn't a superficial one. Now, we people that tired of that in other games and came to this game are going to have to leave this one to find something like what you used to be.

It's really kinda sad... This is an amazing business move, it's just too bad that it's at the cost of your core players. Just wait until you attract all of the 14 years olds to your new game, you'll miss that player base that you crucified.


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