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ORLICZ
Posted - 2011.06.29 11:59:00 - [12931]
 

http://www.eveonline.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=1364142&page=1



Capsuleer Newton
Amarr
Posted - 2011.06.29 11:59:00 - [12932]
 

Originally by: Saving Face
Originally by: Genie ExTS
ARE YOU GOING TO INTRODUCE NON-VANITY ITEMS INTO THE NEX MARKET?



Not answered, but easy to figure out.

They will release Dust as f2p with mt next year. If it goes well, they'll understand that to mean that mt and pay2win is the way to go. If it doesn't go so well, CCP goes **** up anyway over not being able to recoup Dust development expenses, so there's still no way we will not get non-vanity items.


Dust could easily be an F2P-MT Model, as with the EA's Battlefield FPS, it could easily work that way.

Most of us are still speculating what role Dust has over Eve, in terms of Sov, I don't really think Dust will be given such a role hence that implies that Dust players will be dependent on Eve Players for "skirmishes" on planets, which mission orders may not be continuous. The only way to get Dust players can play "unceasingly" would be that mission orders are given by NPCs regularly.

Unless of course if Dust is just a bland shooter that its just Team A against Team B, team that's left standing wins, this implies that Dust doesn't follow a story and the only role it has over Eve if is the use of planets as its staging environment.

Kendra Wilkinson
Posted - 2011.06.29 12:31:00 - [12933]
 

Edited by: Kendra Wilkinson on 29/06/2011 12:35:12
Post your idea and question here !

Please visit your user settings to re-enable images.

the **** box ! That's this thread looks...


Govinda Sertan
Posted - 2011.06.29 12:38:00 - [12934]
 

Edited by: Govinda Sertan on 29/06/2011 13:05:13
Originally by: Kendra Wilkinson
Please visit your user settings to re-enable images.


Actually, that's probably where CCP puts every single idea/questions players are submiting since years.

Mr Kidd
Posted - 2011.06.29 12:41:00 - [12935]
 

Originally by: Govinda Sertan
Originally by: Kendra Wilkinson
Please visit your user settings to re-enable images.


Actually, that's probably where CCP puts every single idea/questions players are saying since years.


I'm sure this will be available to all players in the next iteration of the NeX.

Enraged Stoat
Posted - 2011.06.29 12:48:00 - [12936]
 

Nobody really cares about....

* Dust514 - great idea, more universe and look forward to killing console kiddies.
* WoD - if it'll ultimately provide a profitable revenue stream to fund more Eve stuff.
* monocles and AUR - there is no law that requires everyone be able to afford every vanity item. If you can't, tough, deal with it and buy some tissues to cry into. Look forward to the us$5000 chromed cranial cap like Merlin wore in the film Excalibur (1981)!
* CQ - it is just the first stage to walking in stations and other such stuff, anyone who can't accept it's just the first part of a much greater thing should stfu and quit without posting their whining to the forums.
* overheating gfx cards - no manufacturer would release a card that overheats when being utilized at 100% (or any %). If your card is overheating your PC is rubbish, fix the airflow and ambient heat issue it's clearly outside the parameters your card was designed to operate in. It is absolutely not in any way CCPs problem, it's yours.
* the leaked memo. All companies exist to make a profit. Anyone with experience in business knows you talk about all possible options however illogical and unsavory they appear. Talking about them does not equal enacting them. Nor does it in ANY WAY WHATSOEVER INDICATE WHAT WILL HAPPEN IN THE FUTURE. It does not follow that because paying to win was mentioned in some memo that it'll be deployed at any point during Eve's lifecycle. No matter what you paranoid broken brain makes you think.

What does matter is paying real money to gain ANY ADVANTAGE WHATSOEVER. Do that, I'm unsubbing and it appears 000's of others will too. Allowing real money to give players any advantage whatsoever makes Eve no better than Farmville or WoW. That is the ONLY thing that is an issue with the Incarna release. Unequivocally commit publicly to never allowing AUR to purchase anything other than purely vanity non-advantage giving items and all the raging and quitting will cease.

FunPolice
Posted - 2011.06.29 12:54:00 - [12937]
 

Originally by: Dr Offensive
I like the skirt.

Can men wear the skirt?

If not I will be reporting CCP for sexual discrimination or something.

If they don't, go to Scotland. It's considered "acceptable" for men to wear skirts there.
Best of luck.

Malak Alraheem
Minmatar
Posted - 2011.06.29 12:59:00 - [12938]
 

Originally by: Enraged Stoat
Nobody really cares about....

* overheating gfx cards - no manufacturer would release a card that overheats when being utilized at 100% (or any %). If your card is overheating your PC is rubbish, fix the airflow and ambient heat issue it's clearly outside the parameters your card was designed to operate in. It is absolutely not in any way CCPs problem, it's yours.



Untrue. Manufactures have often released cards that when put to full speed WILL melt down. Even the almighty nVidia brand is notorious for allowing their cards to overheat and melt. Where I work the Quatro cards can be turned in to a charred mess because the card does NOT have a throttling ability on it to save itself. These are not the $500 gamer cards either, these are $3000 'high end' business cards.

In addition people are reporting, and I have witnessed, that computers in other more graphically challenging games are having no problem whatsoever, but Eve is bringing their computers to their knees, even with liquid cooling.

Stop jumping to conclusions and try looking at facts, you might be surprised with what you see.

Capsuleer Newton
Amarr
Posted - 2011.06.29 13:08:00 - [12939]
 

Originally by: Malak Alraheem
Originally by: Enraged Stoat
Nobody really cares about....

* overheating gfx cards - no manufacturer would release a card that overheats when being utilized at 100% (or any %). If your card is overheating your PC is rubbish, fix the airflow and ambient heat issue it's clearly outside the parameters your card was designed to operate in. It is absolutely not in any way CCPs problem, it's yours.



Untrue. Manufactures have often released cards that when put to full speed WILL melt down. Even the almighty nVidia brand is notorious for allowing their cards to overheat and melt. Where I work the Quatro cards can be turned in to a charred mess because the card does NOT have a throttling ability on it to save itself. These are not the $500 gamer cards either, these are $3000 'high end' business cards.

In addition people are reporting, and I have witnessed, that computers in other more graphically challenging games are having no problem whatsoever, but Eve is bringing their computers to their knees, even with liquid cooling.

Stop jumping to conclusions and try looking at facts, you might be surprised with what you see.


I concur, got a NVidia 8600 GT-OC a couple of years back, it melted the VRAM within 2 months, got a replacement and the same thing happened, i can't blame ventilation, i have the 20 cm fan blowing directly into the GPU.Twisted Evil

I could only speculate that BFG bungled and the VRAM was not properly thermally connected to the heatsink Crying or Very sad

Sandrestal
Posted - 2011.06.29 13:09:00 - [12940]
 

Originally by: WCPistolPete
Originally by: Genie ExTS
ARE YOU GOING TO INTRODUCE NON-VANITY ITEMS INTO THE NEX MARKET?
Not answered by a long shot.

You won't see anything here until after the big CSM pow-wow and even then you'll only see what CCP wants you to see because of the NDA. That is, unless a CSM member goes rogue and risks civil fines and jail time for breaching that NDA. Nope, the silence here from the beginning was very telling.


In the states there is a law protecting whistle blowers YARRRR!!

Marcus Vorenius
Caldari
Task Force 42
Posted - 2011.06.29 13:12:00 - [12941]
 


just a humble suggestion: how about we stop bumping this? They have already answered the question in-directly.

btw this thread needs some love: http://www.eveonline.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=1542453

where is Miillia?

Viking Sven
Posted - 2011.06.29 13:17:00 - [12942]
 

Originally by: Sandrestal
In the states there is a law protecting whistle blowers YARRRR!!


A 'whistle blower' by legal terms is somebody who uncovers a company/organization's history or intent of legal wrongdoing. You can't break a NDA just because you're unhappy with them.

Visionthing
Minmatar
Vomiit Comet Productions
Posted - 2011.06.29 13:19:00 - [12943]
 

I am only interested in playing a game that is provided by people who have a passion for the game not for greed.

The incompetence of the game development team over the years had been comfortable proof that 'the game' comes before everything.

Then things started to change, a new semi professional approach to how the game should have been developed, the need for speed was the first signs of this move ....

... and now the need for greed.

MT we can see where its going.
Captains quarters, eye candy nothing more, an imbuggerance, turned it off cant see my ship now, I am already fed up looking at that bloody door.




Hey guys do you think the CCP delegate team that met with Sony were in some way assimilated?

Cancel your accounts, you can always come back or renew if they change direction.

but make sure we are heard.

The bottom line is the only thing that is driving CCP now, they have lost the passion for our game, or more likely locked up the team that has it, in the basement, out of sight, out of mind.


The management need to start listening to the dev's and players before its too late.




Vaerah Vahrokha
Minmatar
Vahrokh Consulting
Posted - 2011.06.29 13:27:00 - [12944]
 

Would you believe? I went to try other games (no, this is not the unbelievable part Wink).

I browsed their forums since they usually give an hint about the current status:

- Whining and raging = normal.

- Depression and indifference = things are going bad, Scotty!


In several of them, even the bad ones you may find people using: "Did they pull an EvE?" to mean major screwup.

Yes, "pull an EvE" is getting to be the 2011 version of "pull an NGE". Figures.

Kendra Wilkinson
Posted - 2011.06.29 13:30:00 - [12945]
 

Edited by: Kendra Wilkinson on 29/06/2011 16:25:58
Originally by: Marcus Vorenius


just a humble suggestion: how about we stop bumping this? They have already answered the question in-directly.

btw this thread needs some love: http://www.eveonline.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=1542453

where is Miillia?


about Miilia,

- In a cave in iceland?
- Playing with his dog doll ? he's recieve one form last patch
- Watching ponyz anime?
- Banned from forum/game (and nobody gonna make a "free miilia thread")
- Who care ?

and maybe it's time to stop ask whatever and wait till ccp met csm

PS: nothing personnal towards you in my answer

Feiryred
Minmatar
EntroPrelatial Vanguard
EntroPraetorian Aegis
Posted - 2011.06.29 13:32:00 - [12946]
 

Originally by: Cynter DeVries
I get the impression that the more prevalent thinking among CCP decision makers are that you've been able to buy advantage with PLEX all along. When they came out with PLEX I thought it was a good idea for the very reasons they gave:
  • competes with unsanctioned 3rd party ISK selling
  • provides an exchange in game time so both CCP and the players benefit
  • works within the economy driving player trade

There's just such a huge distinction between that mechanic and using ISK or real money to buy magic items from CCP. If they were blueprints, we'd have something. CCP would just be another NPC and the eventual item sales would be between players. It is the threat of this interference that drives us up a wall.

Sigh.


This! I could accept THIS!!


mpp
Posted - 2011.06.29 13:32:00 - [12947]
 

this is the end of the one best games :(

Fesecious
Gallente
Eye of God
Posted - 2011.06.29 13:40:00 - [12948]
 

My biggest complaint is the loss of functionality with in the station. If there was a way of making CQ optional and go back to the old instation view. Maybe add a button that when you have no active ship and are in your pod you click so that you get out of your pod. If you dont do this then you keep the normal station interface. This would prove to be more inline with how the supposed lore tech works it would also solve most of your complaints about the CQ.

The biggest problem is not the cost of items in the NEX your biggest problem is your losing the very foundation of what made CCP so great. This happens with most companies as they gain floors to their skysc****r they lose touch with the very foundation that gave them the added floors. We the EVE subs are the ones funding your other projects to ignore us and treat us like we do not matter you are very wrong. With such a tight knit group as the EVE community we could as a whole take down the company if we so choose. You do not have enough income coming in from other sources to handle losing a mass exodus. You need to keep your feet on the ground floor and maybe instead of adding floors to your skysc****r build more buildings with the same foundation that has made you great for so many years.

To Enraged Stoat,

Your comment about WOW is completely off base none of their micro transactions give you any kind of advantage in game. The only company i know that does this is SOE and they are very minor like XP potions or run speed.

Gabriel Rike
Channel 4 News Team
Posted - 2011.06.29 13:41:00 - [12949]
 

Edited by: Gabriel Rike on 29/06/2011 13:43:21
I just have one thing to say, I dont care about any issue other than the pay real money for items aspect and really only the POTENTIAL of buying game affecting and not just vanity items.

I am surprised all the forum rageing warriors (typically known for being trollers and griefers) have yet to be able to see the other side of the arguement. And yes there is another side. A pretty, shiny, fun side of the coin that somehow all the ragers have yet to see...

That side is though it can be 'bad' to buy amped up items in the game with real money, you forget where you are, your in eve... a world notorious for its "kill people and steal their ****". I am terribly surprised I have yet to see a single post saying something along the lines of "wait so I can get even MORE off noobs!?!"

Not a single "I look forward to looting the golden ammo off your Navy Raven you bought with real world money, wrecks"

Since lets face it, the only people that really invest in buying stuff in game with out of game money to get a leg up are noobs, and even if they arent (they mostly are) not a single ship in eve has never been killed. Not a single player in eve has yet to be poped. If you fly it, it will die.

The number 1 rule to anyone in eve that is learned almost the first time you undock is : Never fly what you cant afford to loose! Undocking a ship you can only get with real world money... sounds like it violates rule number 1 to me... unless your crazy rich IRL and have nothing better to do than give griefers and other real pvpers shiny kills lol.

Anyway : I look forward to looting the golden ammo off your Navy Raven you bought with real world money, wrecks. Thank you ccp for the POTENTIAL to make carebear tears even sweeter!

Spica O
Posted - 2011.06.29 13:42:00 - [12950]
 

don't think we expected answers within hours or even a few days... but it's been 5 days since CCP Pann posted that is more than a reasonable amount of time to start responding to what has been brought up on this thread. I only read about 200 of the pages and didn't see the question of banned accounts. Are accounts being banned of the players who are speaking out against this??? If they are being banned and that isn't the reason... then why are they banned?

Viking Sven
Posted - 2011.06.29 13:45:00 - [12951]
 

Don't panic :P People aren't being banned for just voicing their opinion. Well, not anymore... there were those few key figures at the beginning (Helicity Boson, Angel Hun, a few others), but I think CCP realized trying to ban everyone that was angry with them would leave only them and a bunch of monocle-wearing trolls on the forums.

Vaerah Vahrokha
Minmatar
Vahrokh Consulting
Posted - 2011.06.29 13:54:00 - [12952]
 

Edited by: Vaerah Vahrokha on 29/06/2011 13:54:14
Originally by: Viking Sven
Don't panic :P People aren't being banned for just voicing their opinion. Well, not anymore... there were those few key figures at the beginning (Helicity Boson, Angel Hun, a few others), but I think CCP realized trying to ban everyone that was angry with them would leave only them and a bunch of monocle-wearing trolls on the forums.


It's too late, and Internet is hard to shut off.

Here's one of the many places totally unrelated with EvE where even random players are talking about CCP's own NGE: Linkage.

Mechatronicus Anihilus
Posted - 2011.06.29 14:02:00 - [12953]
 

Originally by: Viking Sven
Originally by: Sandrestal
In the states there is a law protecting whistle blowers YARRRR!!


A 'whistle blower' by legal terms is somebody who uncovers a company/organization's history or intent of legal wrongdoing. You can't break a NDA just because you're unhappy with them.


Isn't that where the anonymous leakage which contributed to so much to the current debacle comes in?

Ranger 1
Amarr
Ranger Corp
Posted - 2011.06.29 14:05:00 - [12954]
 

Originally by: Mechatronicus Anihilus
Originally by: Viking Sven
Originally by: Sandrestal
In the states there is a law protecting whistle blowers YARRRR!!


A 'whistle blower' by legal terms is somebody who uncovers a company/organization's history or intent of legal wrongdoing. You can't break a NDA just because you're unhappy with them.


Isn't that where the anonymous leakage which contributed to so much to the current debacle comes in?


What part of any of this, even taking the most aggressive anti-CCP stance possible, is illegal?

Viking Sven
Posted - 2011.06.29 14:11:00 - [12955]
 

Edited by: Viking Sven on 29/06/2011 14:11:57
Originally by: Ranger 1
Originally by: Mechatronicus Anihilus
Isn't that where the anonymous leakage which contributed to so much to the current debacle comes in?


What part of any of this, even taking the most aggressive anti-CCP stance possible, is illegal?


You missed the point, Ranger. Mech was referring to someone on the CSM leaking their info anonymously. You know, without revealing their identity. So CCP couldn't pursue them for breaking the NDA.

Problem is, they'd have to be pretty cunning. There are only a handful of CSM delegates, and CCP will surely know where the leak came from.

Sloppy Podfarts
Posted - 2011.06.29 14:21:00 - [12956]
 

BUT WHAT ABOUT THE CHILDREN?
WONT SOMEONE THINK OF THE CHILDREN!?!

Malak Alraheem
Minmatar
Posted - 2011.06.29 14:32:00 - [12957]
 

Ragetti: [spots Jack ] You.

Pintel: You're supposed to be dead!

Jack : Am I not? [looks down at himself] Oh. [finds pistols pointed at him] Palulay?palu-li-la-la-lulu, parlili? parsnip, pasley, par - partner, partner?

Ragetti: Parley?

Jack : Parley! That's the one. Parley! Parley!

Pintel: Parley? Down to the depths whatever man that thought up 'parley!'

Jack : That would be the French.

.

Mingloid
Posted - 2011.06.29 14:38:00 - [12958]
 

Originally by: Nath Blazek
Originally by: KwaLevu
Originally by: Mercedes Bens


Are you moving beyond VANITY AUR items?








Yes, how many times does this have to be answered? Aur for Scorpion is built



A base stat scorpion with a paint job is Vanity. There's no advantage to the paint job. No new slots, no added stats. It's just a Vanity item.

RougeOperator
Posted - 2011.06.29 14:42:00 - [12959]
 

Originally by: Mingloid
Originally by: Nath Blazek
Originally by: KwaLevu
Originally by: Mercedes Bens


Are you moving beyond VANITY AUR items?








Yes, how many times does this have to be answered? Aur for Scorpion is built



A base stat scorpion with a paint job is Vanity. There's no advantage to the paint job. No new slots, no added stats. It's just a Vanity item.


For now. They were kicking around the idea of Ammo and more for Aur. And it wasnt just the opinion parts of the newsletter.

Private Boo
Posted - 2011.06.29 14:45:00 - [12960]
 

Pann ... now that's a blast from the past ..

One question "why was Mongo Peck" the only person ever to be perma banned under the old forum rules and never given
and amnesty like everyone else ....... Does CCP hate go that deep ?


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