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Zhula Guixgrixks
Increasing Success by Lowering Expectations
Posted - 2011.06.28 12:58:00 - [12601]
 


Originally by: Miilla


Im clicking FOR all NON VANITY ITEMS :) Love you all puss puss


Miilla just buy a monocle , you will feel good and it's over :-) no really, just continue posting :-)


Vandrion
Gallente
The Collective
B O R G
Posted - 2011.06.28 13:00:00 - [12602]
 

Originally by: Miilla
Originally by: Zhula Guixgrixks
Edited by: Zhula Guixgrixks on 28/06/2011 12:51:24
Originally by: Miilla
Edited by: Miilla on 28/06/2011 12:47:55



CSM is already AGREEING TO NON VANITY ITEMS

I'm going to click YES to all NON VANITY items. Hope you enjoy the ride.





That's not quite true. You see only polls. As far I can see ppl vote for paints and skilling with chars on same account.

Real non-vanity are still no-no





Im clicking FOR all NON VANITY ITEMS :) Love you all puss puss


I <3 u

Manfred Sideous
Body Count Inc.
Pandemic Legion
Posted - 2011.06.28 13:08:00 - [12603]
 

Poasting in a thread that proves that Consumers still have power and push industry in the direction of Consumer not industry desires.


CCP let this very negative PR and costly customer loss be a lesson. Listen to what your customers want. Thank the stars that Eve has a strong community because it is only the community that holds this game together as it stands. Crisis maybe adverted to soon to tell CCP Hubris is ever arrogant and constantly needing humble pie.

Vandrion
Gallente
The Collective
B O R G
Posted - 2011.06.28 13:09:00 - [12604]
 

Originally by: Luckytania
A decent write up on TenTonHammer by Mittens:
a banal discussion

However, I did take strong exception to part of it. Enough so that, IMO, it raises some concerns as to how well this CSM rep will make the case at "The Meeting". And, yes, I did register there just so I could make this comment:

--
"Yet when looked at with a dispassionate eye, the leaked newsletter is mostly banal discussion of the existing microtransaction trend within the games industry."

I can't agree with that. Pages 5 through 7 can be characterized as you have. And possibly with that "mostly" you are technically correct. However, Page 9 of that newsletter is where the rubber meets the road. And it doesn't read like a 'what if' or 'let us chat about this'. It is a clear statement of 'this is what is being done'.

Written by the "Director of Content Design".

"CCP is in the process of adopting a virtual sales model for its game products. While this model has
always been intended for World of Darkness and DUST 514, you may be wondering how this will
work in EVE Online. Specifically, how will this new strategy unfold in Incarna?"

"Not all virtual purchases will focus on customization: some will simply be new items, ammunition, ships, etc. that can be purchased outright."

"One other service we’re looking at is selling faction standings. We want to offer convenience for a price."




Typical mittens tbh........

Katarlia Simov
Minmatar
Cowboys From Hell
Posted - 2011.06.28 13:22:00 - [12605]
 

No posts here in over an hour ? This simply will not do. Back to the top you go, noble threadnaught.

I guess Miilla has to sleep sometimes...

If you care about the direction of EVE keep posting. Keep the thread alive, keep anger flowing.

Suzy Cynocyde
Posted - 2011.06.28 13:32:00 - [12606]
 


Wonder who CCP will pick for a damage control team on this one.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g1UO6X0KRjc&feature=related

Very Happy

Domina Santa
Gallente
Posted - 2011.06.28 13:33:00 - [12607]
 

Evil Idea?



Everything CCP have done with Incarna is done to attract new players. This is what CCP is betting on, that the NEW players are more willing to bye into the macro-tranacions and the Pay2Win aspects, and that the number of new players outweigh the number of old ones quitting.

EVE still have one hell of a learning curve. I have no idea about the statistics, but I still have the feeling that a fairly high number of new players don't go much beyond the 2-3 week trial period.

Solution, Denial of Service. We as the lovely and somewhat welcoming/helping community should take a page out of the CCP playbook. If they want to be like other MMO's, so shall we.

To do this we must take the Pirates Handbook to heart:

  • Stop being helpful towards new players. Unless being helpful means getting an opportunity to blow them up.

  • Give new players a seriously hard time.

  • Grief, cheat and trick new players into early retirement.

  • Can flip new players at every opportunity, and kill their mission objectives.


Of course, we must do that within the rules, as we do not really want to be banned. We can't grief new players if we can't play after all.

We players are advocates of the game we play, CCP are being b*tches about it, so shall we. And from a certain point of view, we are saving the new players the grief of dealing with CCP in the long run.

If CCP don't get enough new players to offset the ones quitting, maybe they'll get the message, eventually.

Either that, or the actions will give EVE the Coup de grâce it deserves before CCP screws it up any further. I'd rather have EVE die now, with fond memories, than the disgrace it is being turned into.

Maj Disaster
Posted - 2011.06.28 13:33:00 - [12608]
 


CSM is already AGREEING TO NON VANITY ITEMS
I'm going to click YES to all NON VANITY items. Hope you enjoy the ride.

This means nothing, its not a CCP site, its not a genuine CSM forum.

The CSM will take none of the results from the polls on this site into consideration for the simple reason that anyone on the internet can post there not just Eve players....

Failed Troll, try again.

Ksitigarbha
Posted - 2011.06.28 13:34:00 - [12609]
 

Originally by: Katarlia Simov
No posts here in over an hour ? This simply will not do. Back to the top you go, noble threadnaught.

I guess Miilla has to sleep sometimes...

If you care about the direction of EVE keep posting. Keep the thread alive, keep anger flowing.


Everybody is in stasis, waiting to errupt on the 1st or 2nd july - Ithink we'll get another 12k posts easilly then.

/Ksiti

Velicitia
Gallente
Open Designs
Posted - 2011.06.28 13:36:00 - [12610]
 

Originally by: Katarlia Simov
No posts here in over an hour ? This simply will not do. Back to the top you go, noble threadnaughtthreadnarok.

I guess Miilla has to sleep sometimes...

If you care about the direction of EVE keep posting. Keep the thread alive, keep anger flowing.


FYP.Cool

Hopefully the CSM will go far in helping patch the holes in CCP's hull...


Captain Megadeath
Posted - 2011.06.28 13:38:00 - [12611]
 

Originally by: Katarlia Simov
No posts here in over an hour ? This simply will not do. Back to the top you go, noble threadnaught.

I guess Miilla has to sleep sometimes...

If you care about the direction of EVE keep posting. Keep the thread alive, keep anger flowing.




Miilla is a British dairy farmer, it must be milking time. Laughing

Domina Santa
Gallente
Posted - 2011.06.28 13:42:00 - [12612]
 

Originally by: Captain Megadeath
Miilla is a British dairy farmer, it must be milking time. Laughing


She have certainly been milking the "Internet Troll's Cookbook" for all it's worth over the past few days.

It was fun the first 50 times...since then, not so much.

Zhula Guixgrixks
Increasing Success by Lowering Expectations
Posted - 2011.06.28 13:43:00 - [12613]
 

Originally by: Ksitigarbha

Everybody is in stasis, waiting to errupt on the 1st or 2nd july - Ithink we'll get another 12k posts easilly then.

/Ksiti


Yep we are waiting

Lord Timelord
GETCO
Waterboard
Posted - 2011.06.28 13:48:00 - [12614]
 

After the crappy coding in the Captains Quarters killed the sound portion on my Motherboard by turning my eVGA 9800 GTX+ Super-clocked into a 105C Blast Furnace (it ran at 60C before Incarna BTW), I have been without a 100% running system to get into the game for any length of time that would be considered normal.

Sure I can get it to finally boot after 20-30 attempts (after disabling on-board sound in the BIOS), but it completely locks up my system anywhere from during boot to a couple of minutes after getting into Win7. It's basically a race to get it to boot, log into eve and Que up a skill quick before it locks up. A new mobo is in route from NewEgg to replace this one that no longer will play any sound, and then I'll be able to swap out the toasted board.

Thankfully I modified my Video Card by pulling the stock heat-sink/fan shroud when it was new and put high end thermal compound on it instead of the stock thermal tape. I'm still in amazement that my video card wasn't killed by that much heat. However I'm certain now that it's lifespan was shortened by such a runaway thermal overload.

BTW... My Voltage Monitoring Software shows that my 9800 GTX+ is using 250 watts of power (basically maxed out) when running a single instance of the Captain's Quarters. Before the Incarna patch, running two clients, it was using about 205-220 watts of power. So the coding for the CQ is working the video card MUCH harder!

Valari Nala Zena
Caldari
Perkone
Posted - 2011.06.28 13:49:00 - [12615]
 

Thread slowing down, some accounts lost, trollers got their fix.

Life goes on, nothing really changed, removing thread from bookmark, got people to blow up.

Dr Neba
Posted - 2011.06.28 13:58:00 - [12616]
 

some are just more willing to take it up the ring

MT will ruin the sandbox, the rich will have an advantage over the poor, and being good at this game will mean nothing.

We will see

Brainless Bimbo
Minmatar
Posted - 2011.06.28 14:00:00 - [12617]
 

Originally by: Captain Megadeath

Miilla is a British dairy farmer, it must be milking time. Laughing


nah too early for milking, its only 2ish, probably gone to check the current grazing and look at grass growth for the silage.




Manos Heimenbarger
Posted - 2011.06.28 14:01:00 - [12618]
 

Just a few more days... I don't see CCP getting rid of aurum. They already said they won't and I have a feeling their backs are against the wall financially. Just as long as it's just vanity stuff.

Smagd
Encina Technologies
Namtz' aar K'in
Posted - 2011.06.28 14:01:00 - [12619]
 

Just wait until the next official blogs on micro transactions.

I simply cannot see any way to say anything without causing more riots.

Then, one day new items get introduced to the NeX store.

Then, more riots.

This is far from over.

Domina Santa
Gallente
Posted - 2011.06.28 14:03:00 - [12620]
 

Originally by: Dr Neba
some are just more willing to take it up the ring

MT will ruin the sandbox, the rich will have an advantage over the poor, and being good at this game will mean nothing.

We will see


Imho, CCP saw what White Noise and their RMT connections managed to do with real money, and they want in on that action.

It is not paranoia. Killing the bots would seriously hamper the RMT and CCP could disable every single botting app with a quick patch. It would take them less than a day in coding and testing. They are not doing that, and that I find very telling indeed.

Needa3
Minmatar
BURN EDEN
Northern Coalition.
Posted - 2011.06.28 14:07:00 - [12621]
 


- AUR: why do we need it when we have ISK?

- Probes: didn't need a boost as they were overpowered already

- Unprobable ship: was the only option to counter the overpowered probes in PVP, you just took away one of the last options to diversify the pvp in EVE. The abuse by bot mission runners is just the symptom of you game designers failures. Old probing was way better and gave us, as pvp'ers, an option to fight the blob. A blob created by your designers as you clearly lack the view on how the develop the game. All eggs were put in the blob warfare basket and you started designing your game around a flawed starting point. MMO, yes. Blobbing, no. We {the players} have been telling you this for several years. Instead of changing the mechanism you only worked on graphic shiny things that never needed change anyway. You kept fixing things that were not broken. We have even offered to help you out in making pvp a better experience for smaller groups of pvp'ers. I know other alliances have offered similar assistance.

- RMT... I like how you fight it everyday yet think of doing something similar.

- Plex prices: I remember an add, a couple of days before the patch, where you CCP announced that plex prices were rising and that players should get them while they were "cheap". According to the graph prices were not rising, instead you artificially inflated the price to get more money out of it. CCP you aren't just lying, you are also scamming and cheating.

Domina Santa
Gallente
Posted - 2011.06.28 14:13:00 - [12622]
 

Edited by: Domina Santa on 28/06/2011 14:15:56
Originally by: Manos Heimenbarger
Just a few more days... I don't see CCP getting rid of aurum. They already said they won't and I have a feeling their backs are against the wall financially. Just as long as it's just vanity stuff.


Vanity stuff is fine. Even that some are as expensive as tehy are is fine by me. I'm not buying any, but the new players CCP is trying to attract may not like the price levels in the current store.

But I need a solemn promise from CCP that there will NEVER be Non-vanity items for real money in the store, or anywhere else for that matter.

I don't even mind the golden scorpion, as long as the gold is just a "paintjob", and it has exactly the same stats as the regular one as well as requiring a regular scorpion in exchange. Kind of like how a T2 Hulk requires a T1 Covetor to build it. In essence, you buy a Golden Scorpion BPC with a single run.

And I want the Aurum gone.

P.S.: Anyone know if any CCP employees have quit over the latest scandals?
I for one would not like to work for a company that made the changes CCP seems to be doing.

Tugrath Akers
Posted - 2011.06.28 14:20:00 - [12623]
 

Originally by: Smagd
Just wait until the next official blogs on micro transactions.

I simply cannot see any way to say anything without causing more riots.

Then, one day new items get introduced to the NeX store.

Then, more riots.

This is far from over.


By that time all the rioters subs will have run out.

Rakshasa Taisab
Caldari
Sane Industries Inc.
Posted - 2011.06.28 14:30:00 - [12624]
 

Why is this on second page?... Where is the RAGE?

Saving Face
Posted - 2011.06.28 14:32:00 - [12625]
 

Originally by: Rakshasa Taisab
Why is this on second page?... Where is the RAGE?


That'll invariably come back next week no matter what they do. Twisted Evil

Kailithi
Posted - 2011.06.28 14:46:00 - [12626]
 

CSM discussing us not agreeing to MT with CCP :

Please visit your user settings to re-enable images.

Demure Guise
Posted - 2011.06.28 14:49:00 - [12627]
 

If they say "No, game-changing items will never, ever be available via MT. Period." the rage will quickly dissipate. After that there will just be plenty of conjecture about whether we can believe even THAT statement, or not.

ApoMaT BecHbI
Posted - 2011.06.28 14:51:00 - [12628]
 

Originally by: Domina Santa
Originally by: Dr Neba
some are just more willing to take it up the ring

MT will ruin the sandbox, the rich will have an advantage over the poor, and being good at this game will mean nothing.

We will see


Imho, CCP saw what White Noise and their RMT connections managed to do with real money, and they want in on that action.

It is not paranoia. Killing the bots would seriously hamper the RMT and CCP could disable every single botting app with a quick patch. It would take them less than a day in coding and testing. They are not doing that, and that I find very telling indeed.


ROFL Laughing
while it's sure needed, don't be so sure. with code quality like having salvages get tractor beam bonuses after patch that affects other areas, I doubt that something like bot killing patch can take a day to create. your pc-killing patch - yes, like the one that overheats all ATI cards till they blow up, oh wai...

Darkaene
Posted - 2011.06.28 14:52:00 - [12629]
 

I imagine part of the reason some of the rage has subsided is the revelation of CCP's apparent financial problems. In that light it seems that they aren't simply ****ing in our eyes purely for greed, but perhaps in a desperate gambit to stop their ship from foundering. If this is true things must be fairly bad to employ such abrasive and unpopular measures.

Miilla
Minmatar
Hulkageddon Orphanage
Posted - 2011.06.28 15:00:00 - [12630]
 

Edited by: Miilla on 28/06/2011 15:02:47

Originally by: Darkaene
I imagine part of the reason some of the rage has subsided is the revelation of CCP's apparent financial problems. In that light it seems that they aren't simply ****ing in our eyes purely for greed, but perhaps in a desperate gambit to stop their ship from foundering. If this is true things must be fairly bad to employ such abrasive and unpopular measures.



They got into this situation by being GREEDY, I really don't care if they burn or not.


PS: I'm voting YES on every game changing NEX item there is :) Hope you enjoy your paywall.

I love surveys, glad the CSM chose to do one, I can keep making accounts to skew them in the PAYWALL favour :)


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