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Marc Goth
Posted - 2011.06.28 11:16:00 - [12571]
 

i feel to be a little investor too... i got 1 alt, my main i keep to pay by CC, while the alt i buy plex. gonna unsubscribe my CC, keepin all by plex until money are up to buy plex then ill shut the store.

im an industrialist and i dont like the no-vanity store too.

Miilla
Minmatar
Hulkageddon Orphanage
Posted - 2011.06.28 11:17:00 - [12572]
 



I guess this is why we cannot get GOLD AMMO :( They cannot afford GOLD.

How about BRASS? Can we have BRASS instead? It looks almost like GOLD.


Ksitigarbha
Posted - 2011.06.28 11:18:00 - [12573]
 

Maybe I'm stupid and naive, but I think that there are MANY people out there, that could help develop EVE for FREE - yes!

Actually THEY do it all the time - EFT, EVEMON, Killboards - a lot of these people are talented, and for a place in CREDITS would do much more. Just make them sign an NDA or something - there are legal ways to do it correctly - CCP would have the DEVs to make WoD and DUST, and we would have OUR EVE.

CCP should think not about making MORE money to develop other things, but to CUT expenses on the stuff that drains it. TRY to speak with the players - they WILL HAPPILY help.

MILK THEM and nothing good will come from this.

/Ksiti

Domina Santa
Gallente
Posted - 2011.06.28 11:20:00 - [12574]
 

Originally by: Dunarad
Wow, 420 pages, this is not a threadnaught, it's a titanaught!


As long as it's not all for naught.

Bogran
Posted - 2011.06.28 11:21:00 - [12575]
 

so i read this heat hardware issues

so i sent in a petition with the dxdiag. and a brief explanation of whats happening.

before incarna i could quite easily run 6 accounts on my pc. all at a constant 60fps all with between 400-500mb of ram useage at most all was fine and golden.

since incarna i can run only 3 at most, ram usage is drifting to 1.1gb per client on occasion, gpu use is topped out and im seeing 5-10C heat increase and my cpu is working harder than ever, at 3 clients in sat at about 50-60% useage. station environment is off
pc
amd 955 @3.2gz
8gb ram
ati 4870

the gm responce was to bug report it, no questions no extra help, just bug report it.
i had to ask him what exaclty was i ment to be bug reporting, incarna?

Cmdr Zander
Posted - 2011.06.28 11:34:00 - [12576]
 

Originally by: RougeOperator
Originally by: Kailithi
Originally by: RougeOperator

...

CCP abandons eve its cash cow. Sums it up.

If they will do this to us while we are the cash cow. I can only imagine how bad they will treat us when they their other games up and running.




^^ What he said, yep!


Yup this is how they treat the golden goose that pays the bills.

Not hard to think what its going to be like for us when we are no longer that cash cow.

Depressing.



SO TRUE ! SO SAD !

Nullity
Gallente
Posted - 2011.06.28 11:34:00 - [12577]
 

Originally by: Domina Santa
Originally by: Dunarad
Wow, 420 pages, this is not a threadnaught, it's a titanaught!


As long as it's not all for naught.

500 is a more appropriate standard for a Titanaught.

Soddington Smythe
Posted - 2011.06.28 11:36:00 - [12578]
 

We Belong Thread.

Kei Yuma
Posted - 2011.06.28 11:37:00 - [12579]
 

CSM it's our last chance...

but my hope is so low right now.

Kaethe Kollwitz
Posted - 2011.06.28 11:37:00 - [12580]
 

- - - WARNING! - - -

This thread is starting to generate its own gravity.

It has been suggested by eminent scientists that if the thread grows over 500 pages it may collapse forming a giant forum black hole that will suck all the other threads into it before imploding the servers.

You have been warned.

Zhula Guixgrixks
Increasing Success by Lowering Expectations
Posted - 2011.06.28 11:38:00 - [12581]
 

Originally by: Kaethe Kollwitz
- - - WARNING! - - -

This thread is starting to generate its own gravity.

It has been suggested by eminent scientists that if the thread grows over 500 pages it may collapse forming a giant forum black hole that will suck all the other threads into it before imploding the servers.

You have been warned.



good one :-D

Miilla
Minmatar
Hulkageddon Orphanage
Posted - 2011.06.28 11:41:00 - [12582]
 

Originally by: Kaethe Kollwitz
- - - WARNING! - - -

This thread is starting to generate its own gravity.

It has been suggested by eminent scientists that if the thread grows over 500 pages it may collapse forming a giant forum black hole that will suck all the other threads into it before imploding the servers.

You have been warned.





Nothing sucks more than a black singularity than CCP. CCP suck so much not even reality escapes.


Juppah
Posted - 2011.06.28 11:42:00 - [12583]
 

Originally by: Kaethe Kollwitz
- - - WARNING! - - -

This thread is starting to generate its own gravity.

It has been suggested by eminent scientists that if the thread grows over 500 pages it may collapse forming a giant forum black hole that will suck all the other threads into it before imploding the servers.

You have been warned.



The unwritten rules of science dictate that we should go on, then. Might be a pretty view!

Luckytania
Gallente
Bullets of Justice
Posted - 2011.06.28 11:43:00 - [12584]
 

A decent write up on TenTonHammer by Mittens:
a banal discussion

However, I did take strong exception to part of it. Enough so that, IMO, it raises some concerns as to how well this CSM rep will make the case at "The Meeting". And, yes, I did register there just so I could make this comment:

--
"Yet when looked at with a dispassionate eye, the leaked newsletter is mostly banal discussion of the existing microtransaction trend within the games industry."

I can't agree with that. Pages 5 through 7 can be characterized as you have. And possibly with that "mostly" you are technically correct. However, Page 9 of that newsletter is where the rubber meets the road. And it doesn't read like a 'what if' or 'let us chat about this'. It is a clear statement of 'this is what is being done'.

Written by the "Director of Content Design".

"CCP is in the process of adopting a virtual sales model for its game products. While this model has
always been intended for World of Darkness and DUST 514, you may be wondering how this will
work in EVE Online. Specifically, how will this new strategy unfold in Incarna?"

"Not all virtual purchases will focus on customization: some will simply be new items, ammunition, ships, etc. that can be purchased outright."

"One other service we’re looking at is selling faction standings. We want to offer convenience for a price."


Zhula Guixgrixks
Increasing Success by Lowering Expectations
Posted - 2011.06.28 11:44:00 - [12585]
 

Edited by: Zhula Guixgrixks on 28/06/2011 12:31:07
Originally by: Miilla




Nothing sucks more than a black singularity than CCP. CCP suck so much not even reality escapes.




At least the reality is heavily distorted :

Please visit your user settings to re-enable images.



Domina Santa
Gallente
Posted - 2011.06.28 12:09:00 - [12586]
 

CCP aren't the only ones to screw with their customers this week. Apple have managed to do so as well.

I saw this on a blog which could fit our situation as well, with a few changes.

Quote:
I didn’t think it would ever bother me, but Apple’s “our way, or the highway” attitude is starting to rub. And not in a good way.


The latest round of CCP rubbing is starting to chafe my anal sphincter.

NoShootTheOtherOne
Posted - 2011.06.28 12:09:00 - [12587]
 

Originally by: Domina Santa
Originally by: Dunarad
Wow, 420 pages, this is not a threadnaught, it's a titanaught!


As long as it's not all for naught.


Sadly, it probably is.
Crying or Very sad

Kharontos
Posted - 2011.06.28 12:13:00 - [12588]
 

Bumpage for positive thinking!

SNeAkYbRiT
Gunslingers Corp
Posted - 2011.06.28 12:17:00 - [12589]
 

Edited by: SNeAkYbRiT on 28/06/2011 12:19:09
Edited by: SNeAkYbRiT on 28/06/2011 12:18:25
OMG amazing what happens within a day...So Hilmar put everything on Black and it came up Red!

What a, would say cluster **** but thats an under estimate...whats worse than a cluster ****? an Hilmar ****?? omg thats an image I don't want.


EDIT for major typo ARRRGGGHHHHH!!!

Aerethir
Gallente
Posted - 2011.06.28 12:22:00 - [12590]
 

Originally by: Cheroth Morachi
Originally by: Aerethir
Originally by: Mistress Khan
Scene 1

[...]



That was worth reading, thank you.


I think it's a little hyperactive. Like I said; skepticism and caution are fine and healthy, but the conspiracy theories and spin doctoring is making people look rabid and unstable. Things are tense enough around here without wandering into the mix with gasoline and fireworks.


I agree with you. I found however this particular fictionalised writeup of the current situation was elegant, and stuck out of the sea of shrill complaints and tinfoilhattery.

khac
Posted - 2011.06.28 12:27:00 - [12591]
 

Originally by: Zhula Guixgrixks
Originally by: Miilla




Nothing sucks more than a black singularity than CCP. CCP suck so much not even reality escapes.




At least the reality is heavily distorted :

Please visit your user settings to re-enable images.

lmao :D

Phillipe d'Rothschild
Discrete Solutions Ltd.
Posted - 2011.06.28 12:31:00 - [12592]
 

Quote:
...I promise we’ll start getting some info out tomorrow. As I see it, the chief complaint is regarding the high cost of goods in the Noble Market. Second, many people are unhappy about the Captain’s Quarters. Third, there are some performance issues with Incarna. I would appreciate it if you would confirm my observations or tell me what I’m missing, but I do ask that you do it in a productive way. I will remove posts without prejudice if they are counterproductive to the conversation I hope to have with you.


Been ruminating about how to respond to your request for a parley. So here goes:

1) Captains quarters makes me fear for the life of my one laptop that can run EVE online. It was able to run 2 clients well, and 3 in a pinch, but if I turn on captains quarters, I can run a single client, and normally just undock in something with a cloak to prevent risk of fire. Turning off the special CQ effects leaves me staring at a door which currently goes nowhere. It's like you are trying to point out some sad allegory about my future with EVE Online. I don't get to see my current ship, and the inability to easily click on it directly to open the cargo bay/fuel bay/SMA/Drone bay is a bit off putting.

2) The complaint is not so much about the price of the items, which are silly by the way, but the feeling that CCP have decided to milk subscribers dry by pricing things so exorbitantly...perhaps in expectation of creating a gold ammo/ship store. The moment EVE goes to a pay-to-play model for items that are more than cosmetic is the day I cancel my subscription. Sadly the handling of this situation has caused a large number of my old friends in EVE to end theirs already. The fact that as a company CCP hasn't outlined a philosophy on the future of such transactions has me worried. We are only receiving comments about the past and present framework. Does the company have a vision for the development of this product? and if so what is it?

3) "I promise we’ll start getting some info out tomorrow." I know that RL & Family >>>>> EVE. I don't blame Pann for taking a break from thread management, no good person in this thread does, but the inability of any other members of CCP staff to step to fulfill her commitment during a reasonable family emergency to complete what I see as a company promise is very disconcerting. Is there only one semi-retired community manager capable of talking to the player base in all of Reykjavik, Atlanta, & Shanghai? Are the PR and Community teams truly paralyzed in her absence? Right now you are losing subscriptions and I am losing friends to play with and targets to shoot.

Rex Liberium
Posted - 2011.06.28 12:34:00 - [12593]
 

CSM is allready polling the bittervets on MT. Here

I guess MT for non-vanity items is allready an option on the table for the CSM.

Marcus Vorenius
Caldari
Task Force 42
Posted - 2011.06.28 12:44:00 - [12594]
 

This is from PocketGamer but I guess the concept is the same

"Here at XMG, approximately two-thirds of our revenue now comes from virtual goods, up from only 10 percent a year ago…The reason is simple – selling virtual goods means that a small enthusiastic user base can carry a game’s economics.”

Originally by: MarcusVorenius via TWITTER


Voila RT @gamesbrief "Selling virtual goods means that a small enthusiastic user base can carry a game’s. http://bit.ly/lT3P2O | #tweetfleet


Stupid question incoming (it's better to be stupid once, than for the rest of your life)
Have we received an answer as promised in OP?





Miilla
Minmatar
Hulkageddon Orphanage
Posted - 2011.06.28 12:47:00 - [12595]
 

Edited by: Miilla on 28/06/2011 12:47:55



CSM is already AGREEING TO NON VANITY ITEMS

I'm going to click YES to all NON VANITY items. Hope you enjoy the ride.


Shintai
Gallente
Arx Io Orbital Factories
Arx Io
Posted - 2011.06.28 12:48:00 - [12596]
 

CCP seems bankrupt. No wonder EvE development was basicly stalled last 2 years.

Strong Dong
Amarr
Posted - 2011.06.28 12:49:00 - [12597]
 

IT'S A YES OR NO QUESTION.

ARE YOU GOING FURTHER THAN VANITY ITEMS IN THE NEX?

You guys have surely discussed this a lot already, given the newsletter (and other means of communication) so I don't see what's so ****ing hard about just replying YES OR NO.

Jyngo
Gallente
The Scope
Posted - 2011.06.28 12:51:00 - [12598]
 

Edited by: Jyngo on 28/06/2011 12:51:29
Originally by: Miilla
Edited by: Miilla on 28/06/2011 12:47:55



CSM is already AGREEING TO NON VANITY ITEMS

I'm going to click YES to all NON VANITY items. Hope you enjoy the ride.




Good... wait what?

Zhula Guixgrixks
Increasing Success by Lowering Expectations
Posted - 2011.06.28 12:51:00 - [12599]
 

Edited by: Zhula Guixgrixks on 28/06/2011 12:55:16
Originally by: Miilla
Edited by: Miilla on 28/06/2011 12:47:55



CSM is already AGREEING TO NON VANITY ITEMS
I'm going to click YES to all NON VANITY items. Hope you enjoy the ride.





That's not quite true. You see only polls. As far I can see ppl vote for paints and skilling with chars on same account.

Real non-vanity are still no-no



Miilla
Minmatar
Hulkageddon Orphanage
Posted - 2011.06.28 12:55:00 - [12600]
 

Originally by: Zhula Guixgrixks
Edited by: Zhula Guixgrixks on 28/06/2011 12:51:24
Originally by: Miilla
Edited by: Miilla on 28/06/2011 12:47:55



CSM is already AGREEING TO NON VANITY ITEMS

I'm going to click YES to all NON VANITY items. Hope you enjoy the ride.




That's not quite true. You see only polls. As far I can see ppl vote for paints and skilling with chars on same account.

Real non-vanity are still no-no





Im clicking FOR all NON VANITY ITEMS :) Love you all puss puss


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