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Adunh Slavy
Ammatar Trade Syndicate
Posted - 2011.06.28 02:42:00 - [12481]
 

5200+ on Tobiaz's count

Zero GodOfDestruction
Posted - 2011.06.28 03:02:00 - [12482]
 

It's been a few pages since the last one so here it is again
Originally by: diaufop

Are you moving beyond VANITY AUR items?



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Brovader
Sigillum Militum Xpisti
Important Internet Spaceship League
Posted - 2011.06.28 03:07:00 - [12483]
 

Id Agree with most ****ed off players no rmt with noble items or vanity whatever, also i want my old hanger with my spining ship. I dont care for the CQ at all its pretty ******ed. Make it optional or give us the option of going to CQ from regular ship bay by Right click leave ship to CQ. Keep eve ingame isk only and thats about it for the new horid patch.
Id like to see thruster trials again which were pretty sweet and relistic. Fix the known issues and dont mess with the supercaps anymore. theres nothing wrong with the damage they do considering a titan can one volly a carrier well fit or not,leave sc fighterbombers alone, just cuz carriers want to play station games and get all butt hurt when you drop a sc or 2 on them and they cant dock in there aggresion timer and pop.

Lord Timelord
GETCO
Waterboard
Posted - 2011.06.28 03:19:00 - [12484]
 

Edited by: Lord Timelord on 28/06/2011 03:21:41
I just checked the EVE General Discussion Section going all the way down to p.106, and see that you can no longer find this particular thread from that section. Looks like they are trying HARD to keep the public from finding it easily!

*EDIT*
It popped back up when I posted. Thread now has 1,130,565 VIEWS!

Haradriel Tian
Posted - 2011.06.28 03:22:00 - [12485]
 

A plex is no different the a person that already paid for a subscription in advance. By the logic being used if I pay for my sub a year in advance. Im a liability until my sub comes up again? Just cause im not spreading out my payments.

I don't see it as a liability as many present it to be. CCP gets IRL money for them. Its simply the same as people buying subs for blocks of months or a year. You just need to spread out that income out.

They just need to plan around them better. Such as when you pay for a block of months they need to consider that income split up over those months. They should be able to come up with a formula based on plex redemption to account for them.

And technically they make more on plex since its at full price and not discount as it is for long term subscribers. Plex users are actually paying more to play the game when you think about it.

Jimmy Duce
Chaotic Tranquility
Posted - 2011.06.28 03:31:00 - [12486]
 

I'm laying down my sword for a while...

Marcus Vorenius
Caldari
Task Force 42
Posted - 2011.06.28 03:35:00 - [12487]
 

Edited by: Marcus Vorenius on 28/06/2011 03:41:21
Originally by: MarcusVorenius via TWITTER

FEARLESS issue #2: Greed is Not Good - It's Awesome! Available soon (tm) | #ethics #eveonline #mmorpg #wod #dust514 #evepeasants


Dex' post on NEX store advertising is a must read: http://www.eveonline.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=1540009

Constantinus Maximus
Paxian Expeditionary Force
Posted - 2011.06.28 03:45:00 - [12488]
 

Originally by: Solomunio Kzenig
Originally by: Psychlo
With all that has been said, (and I have not read it all), the quite killer is that a lot of the serious long time players may have reached their breaking point and leave. Not sure about the majority, but HALF the game is the people I play with. The lost of the real players (the ones who understand what this all means), leaves us with a bunch of tards. Cool game mechanics with only tards is still an epic fail. Like a company loosing all its talent, we are loosing the players that really move and shake this game. It is really sad. I hope they fix it, but I am quite concerned that the damage is done as folks move on. I for one am behind the community and have cancelled all but one account to send a clear message to the CEO. . .since he isn't listening to what I say at all.

It's been great time with all of you. I can only hope that we can do it again.


^^This sums up my attitude perfectly, losing accounts is bad enough for CCP, losing older and experienced players is a disaster as these are the players the really influence EVE's sandbox, they are what makes EVE truely great.
Mornin!

Nox Aeterna
Gallente
Posted - 2011.06.28 03:46:00 - [12489]
 

I leave for a while, and all hell breaks loose? Sheesh.

Last night, I did write a rather lengthy rant to be pasted here. However, since it was more angry than anything else, I will simply say this. CCP has called for a truce. The only honorable thing to do is accept it. Please, for the love of Eve, and respect for the company who gave it to you, let's tone it down a few notches, aye? I have been following this thread for most of this past weekend, and have read everything from weird conspiracy theories about Sony to some inappropriate remarks about CCP Pann's family emergency. What evidence do we have for game changing items being in the MT shop (besides a newsletter designed to exaggerate points)? We have denials about any such thing from CCP Zulu before and after the incident. So, let's see what comes out of the meeting. Which, many of you have said you will ignore anyways. If we've abandoned decency, real evidence, reason, and above all truth, then what is the point? What are we left with?

I've played a lot of MMO's, but Eve is the one I keep coming back to, over and over. I challenge you to find something better.

My subs are still active, btw. Nor do I care about a MT shop (I do care about P2W ever making it in game, however).

Constantinus Maximus
Paxian Expeditionary Force
Posted - 2011.06.28 03:50:00 - [12490]
 

Edited by: Constantinus Maximus on 28/06/2011 03:56:13
Originally by: Kailithi
Originally by: Vaerah Vahrokha
Edited by: Vaerah Vahrokha on 27/06/2011 22:15:18
Originally by: Miilla



Won't take many people to leave Eve to cause CCP some serious financial pain, perhaps say they lose 20,000 actual players (and thair MANY alt accounts), that is most likely one third of their customer base GONE.



If you spent less time copy pasting the same 3 posts and more reading the Market Discussion forum (and GD) you'd have found the leaked financial statements and would know that they are already in financial pain.


So link them :P

Besides, even without aging yearly accounts the current actions (and lack thereof)of CCP are the marks of panic, desperation and denial.

I won't even touch on all the reports of the lousy wages they pay their programmers, nor the churn rate for unhappy staff. The code for Incarna alone speaks for itself. If you pay peanuts you get monkeys applying, hmmm!

One must wonder however, how they are going to pay for all these new offices and staff to develop Dust and WoD when they are killing the only game that's pulling in revenue.

Hmmm. Let me think, I am the CEO of an international company.


I have 600 staff costing me say $40k a year each. So $24 million a year in overheads just for wages.

There there's the added overheads of insurance, premises, advertising, taxes, national insurance, rates, heating, water, interest on loans, hospitality, trade shows* (the cost of which alone can add up to $1 million+ per event) ...

I have one product pulling in $54 million a year.

I have two products in development (carrying serious penalties for not reaching agreed roadmaps).

Ah, the numbers don't add up, the shareholders are NOT happy and some of the investors frankly scare me.

So what do I do? What do I do to balance the sheets.

YESSS! If works for free to play games, it worked for WoW with sparkly ponies and pets, I'll make them pay more and more for less and less. Genius!

* One day later the **** hits the fan, the employees - who repeatedly warned me this would happen - are bricking it and frankly getting on my nerves with all the crying in corners and logging onto job agency sites when they think I'm not looking *

What do I do?

Aha! I'll send a global memo telling the staff I planned for this and that the cattle, err, subscribers, will fall in line. Everything is fine people. Your jobs are safe. Who's da man?

*presses intercom*

Oh FFS, will someone pass my secretary a tissue and find me my Wizard of Oz DVD, I need to relax.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a-Sb7IZQOsc

Great post.

edit: Does miss the fact that it's all smoke and mirrors though.



Originally by: Nox Aeterna
My subs are still active, btw. Nor do I care about a MT shop (I do care about P2W ever making it in game, however).


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=svpsLZDgFK4

Watch that and tell me what you think.

RougeOperator
Posted - 2011.06.28 03:57:00 - [12491]
 

Originally by: Marcus Vorenius
Edited by: Marcus Vorenius on 28/06/2011 03:41:21
Originally by: MarcusVorenius via TWITTER

FEARLESS issue #2: Greed is Not Good - It's Awesome! Available soon (tm) | #ethics #eveonline #mmorpg #wod #dust514 #evepeasants


Dex' post on NEX store advertising is a must read: http://www.eveonline.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=1540009



Hahaha they wont answer a damn question but they lock a thread that might be spot on. LOL.

Adunh Slavy
Ammatar Trade Syndicate
Posted - 2011.06.28 04:05:00 - [12492]
 

Originally by: RougeOperator

Hahaha they wont answer a damn question but they lock a thread that might be spot on. LOL.


Pants!

m3talc0re X
Caldari
SandStorm.
The Babylon Consortium
Posted - 2011.06.28 04:18:00 - [12493]
 

Are you moving beyond VANITY AUR items?

This has been asked numerous times. Not once even remotely answered. If they were not going to do anything other than vanity items, they would easily set us all at ease and tell us no. By their lack of an answer, I think it's safe to say they're probably planning on going beyond vanity aur items. If I find out that is true, then my sub will be cancelled. Shame, but this rat will be leaving this sinking ship...

Constantinus Maximus
Paxian Expeditionary Force
Posted - 2011.06.28 04:21:00 - [12494]
 

Edited by: Constantinus Maximus on 28/06/2011 04:21:17
Originally by: m3talc0re X
Are you moving beyond VANITY AUR items?

This has been asked numerous times. Not once even remotely answered.
....



Very clearly answered in full.

CSM are going to Iceland with the idea to create a NEW plan or SELL the current one.

AkJon Ferguson
JC Ferguson and Son Ltd
Ferguson Alliance
Posted - 2011.06.28 04:25:00 - [12495]
 

Originally by: Constantinus Maximus
Edited by: Constantinus Maximus on 28/06/2011 04:21:17
Originally by: m3talc0re X
Are you moving beyond VANITY AUR items?

This has been asked numerous times. Not once even remotely answered.
....



Very clearly answered in full.

CSM are going to Iceland with the idea to create a NEW plan or SELL the current one.



Nope, not answered at all. Even fallout conceded that point.

And aside from white tree's condescending fanboi post we haven't heard much from CSM in here. So I don't see the point in waiting for a meeting that is just a pr stunt/stall tactic.

Constantinus Maximus
Paxian Expeditionary Force
Posted - 2011.06.28 04:30:00 - [12496]
 

Originally by: AkJon Ferguson

Nope, not answered at all. Even fallout conceded that point.



Why do they need CSM if they don't need to change something?

People stopped worrying about this question days ago, the answer has always been "yes".

Ilene D'over
Tax Free Corporation
Posted - 2011.06.28 04:33:00 - [12497]
 

Originally by: Constantinus Maximus
Edited by: Constantinus Maximus on 28/06/2011 04:21:17
Originally by: m3talc0re X
Are you moving beyond VANITY AUR items?

This has been asked numerous times. Not once even remotely answered.
....



Very clearly answered in full.


Nope. All they said is there would be no golden ammo. There was no statement saying that game affecting items would not be obtainable through MT.
Quote:

CSM are going to Iceland with the idea to create a NEW plan or SELL the current one.


There was nothing wrong with the original plan we signed up for, namely no microtransactions.

Eve Online has always been about advancing through the sweat of your brow, except for the few eBayers who very quickly learned that just buying a highly skilled toon is not enough and that Eve Online is not something that can be mastered overnight, to the great amusement of us all.

Constantinus Maximus
Paxian Expeditionary Force
Posted - 2011.06.28 04:35:00 - [12498]
 

Edited by: Constantinus Maximus on 28/06/2011 04:36:34
Said?

Look at what they DID!
Not what they SAID!

geez, lil slow round here.

Originally by: Ilene D'over
There was nothing wrong with the original plan we signed up for, namely no microtransactions.



That was never the plan. That was what we demanded. What they ignored and told us "yeah whatever" over, and over, and over again.

Check the CSM minutes.

Ilene D'over
Tax Free Corporation
Posted - 2011.06.28 04:37:00 - [12499]
 

Originally by: Constantinus Maximus
Originally by: AkJon Ferguson

Nope, not answered at all. Even fallout conceded that point.



Why do they need CSM if they don't need to change something?


It would appear that, at present, the CSM is nothing more than a crumb to the player community, rubber stamping CCP's descisions.

The real value will be determined by this weekend.
Quote:

People stopped worrying about this question days ago, the answer has always been "yes".


There was no answer, just a sidestep. Or rather a sidestumble.

Constantinus Maximus
Paxian Expeditionary Force
Posted - 2011.06.28 04:39:00 - [12500]
 

Edited by: Constantinus Maximus on 28/06/2011 04:47:17
Edited by: Constantinus Maximus on 28/06/2011 04:39:45
Originally by: Ilene D'over
There was no answer, just a sidestep. Or rather a sidestumble.


You really think CCP would let this go on so long if they had an answer you would like?

There is 1 reason.
1 and only reason why they can't tell you the answer.

Because you'd scream.

edit: I'll referrer you back to Frog in a pot

Pherick Sjang
Merch Industrial
Goonswarm Federation
Posted - 2011.06.28 04:40:00 - [12501]
 

The CSM said a dozen times over "No Microtransacations, and if we MUST have microtransactions, nothing that influences the game world" and every single time CCP said "Absolutely!"




They then went on to say "You too can join CCP for a low up front fee of $500,000,000! We'll even ship all your stuff to Iceland for free!"

Decalfi
Posted - 2011.06.28 04:57:00 - [12502]
 

Big thread.

Hel Xaphod
Posted - 2011.06.28 04:58:00 - [12503]
 

http://www.eveonline.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=1540009

Locked with this comment: CCP Zymurgist - Please do not start rumor threads.

Since when is speculation "rumor"? I would have commented in the thread itself, but it's locked...

Since CCP saw fit to add an MT store to Eve, discussions of possible repercussions seem very reasonable to me.

And since they refuse to answer questions about it, what do we have left but speculation?




Gulliver Rex
Posted - 2011.06.28 05:02:00 - [12504]
 

Originally by: AkJon Ferguson
Originally by: Constantinus Maximus
Edited by: Constantinus Maximus on 28/06/2011 04:21:17
Originally by: m3talc0re X
Are you moving beyond VANITY AUR items?

This has been asked numerous times. Not once even remotely answered.
....



Very clearly answered in full.

CSM are going to Iceland with the idea to create a NEW plan or SELL the current one.



Nope, not answered at all. Even fallout conceded that point.

And aside from white tree's condescending fanboi post we haven't heard much from CSM in here. So I don't see the point in waiting for a meeting that is just a pr stunt/stall tactic.


I don't profess to know what is going on inside CCP (not that I care, nor is it any of my business to start with), or that I even fully understand what you guys are trying to make manifest here.

But, do tell, how is it any worse, any different then what is, and has been for a long time, going on in, say, USA or Great Britain, let alone Greece or some 3rd world country? In your neighborhood?

How is their financial position any worse?

Hilmar and these dudes and CSM, how are they worse than Bush or Obama or Ron Paul, or whoever might be your politician, or CEO or what not?

Are you ****ed them because they are same as you, better then you, because you thought they were Messiah?

You go an pay your tax, that tax buys a bullet and the bullet gets lodged in a skull of an innocent child, and it is called collateral damage. How do you reconcile that in your mind, and then come here and protest against breach of trust and monocles?

And those arguing pro CCP, are just the same.

The reasonable, the eloquent ... they are the worst. Laughing

You guys are funny. May this thread reach not 500, not 600, not 700, not 800, not 900, but 1000 pages!


Kilmiester
Posted - 2011.06.28 05:11:00 - [12505]
 

After viewing the financial ****up that is CCP I've moved to the "wait for the CSM meeting" camp. So far all their response has been total BS and stall tactics, but it's probably just because as a company as a whole, they are against a wall and attempted an insane maneuver to try and save their ass.
My accounts are still unsubscribed, but awaiting the answer to the big yellow question. If it's no, I may consider playing again. Frankly, I just don't know if I can ever get enthused again, but I probably won't cancel. If it's yes, I quit full out.
So for now I'm going to honor the cease fire.

Constantinus Maximus
Paxian Expeditionary Force
Posted - 2011.06.28 05:15:00 - [12506]
 

Edited by: Constantinus Maximus on 28/06/2011 05:16:29
Originally by: Gulliver Rex
You go an pay your tax, that tax buys a bullet and the bullet gets lodged in a skull of an innocent child, and it is called collateral damage.


Do some research where your subscription money goes.......



edit: They should have just moved that advertising thread to "Features and Ideas" rather then locking.

DeMichael Crimson
Minmatar
Republic University
Posted - 2011.06.28 05:20:00 - [12507]
 

Edited by: DeMichael Crimson on 28/06/2011 14:09:29

Originally by: CCP Pann
As I see it, the chief complaint is regarding the high cost of goods in the Noble Market. Second, many people are unhappy about the Captainís Quarters. Third, there are some performance issues with Incarna. I would appreciate it if you would confirm my observations or tell me what Iím missing, but I do ask that you do it in a productive way. I will remove posts without prejudice if they are counterproductive to the conversation I hope to have with you.



I believe you have that list backwards. Order of most important to least important should be:

1) Performance issues due to the Incarna expansion.

This list is very long ranging from players not being able to log into the game at all to players computer systems crashing and being destroyed after logging into the game. This is not acceptable at all. There are various threads posted everywhere about these very important issues.


2) Captain's Quarters.

Very resource hungry, slow to log in or out, lot's of lag, etc. The same applies to the Character Creation as well. There's been quite a few threads posted about these two subjects filled with different ways to fix the problems and keep those applications active. I'm not talking about getting rid of them, I like the whole idea of Walking in Stations.


3) The Nobel Exchange.

This is the least of the many problems plaguing Eve right at the moment. The price of items for sale are indeed way too expensive. However, that can be easily fixed or changed at any time. If there are plans in the future to add items that would affect game play, this would definitely be unbalanced and would be considered an exploit. The fact that you place this at the top of the list tells me this may very well be the case.

Right now CCP's priorities are messed up, to say the least.

Last and certainly not least but most importantly, no response or reply from CCP for a week after implementing this new expansion was just plain bad business practice. There wasn't even a 'We are looking into this issue' reply. I know you have apologized for this but the damage has been done.

Number 1 rule in Eve = Information is King and Conversation is it's Queen.

It's ironic that you used the term 'Pitchforks and Torches' considering the only place I actually saw that used was in a posted reply in another thread, and I quote:

Originally by: Shooter McGavvin

Wow, what a disaster this has turned into. People always b*tch about new updates, that's simply the way it works in online gaming communities, but the overwhelming disdain for Incarna goes way beyond that. The silence from the Devs reminds me of Frankenstein with a mob of angry villagers surrounding him in the castle with pitchforks and torches.



When I first read this = Laughing

Then I thought about it = Shocked

Now I just feel = Sad

Hope I won't be = Evil or Very Mad


CCP, you really need to address the issues caused by this last expansion. Roll it back for more testing, send it back for more developing, cut it back on resource taking, etc.

Whatever you decide to do, do it asap and please keep the players informed and stay true to your word.

I hope this isn't an example of

CCP's

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Skex Relbore
Gallente
Red Federation
RvB - RED Federation
Posted - 2011.06.28 05:28:00 - [12508]
 

Did I say 500 before the emergency CSM Summit? Maybe 600?

Bloodpetal
Mimidae Risk Solutions
Posted - 2011.06.28 05:41:00 - [12509]
 

Edited by: Bloodpetal on 28/06/2011 05:42:15
Threadapocalypse must not end!

CCP's Reaction when seeing the EVE players come out from the Fog (Pirates of the Caribbean)


Parlay?

Kewso
Posted - 2011.06.28 05:57:00 - [12510]
 



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