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Govinda Sertan
Posted - 2011.06.27 23:32:00 - [12421]
 

1000$ pants !!

1000$ PANTS MOTHERFRAKERS !!

Capsuleer Newton
Amarr
Posted - 2011.06.27 23:32:00 - [12422]
 

Originally by: Askereus Sajuuk-Khar

It is survival brought on by GREED, overstretching to GET MORE MORE MROE.

Greed is greed none the less.



strongly agreed with you. So whats the plan for items? ) A HAT!!! A SPACECAPTAIN HAT FOR 99.95$!!!


well, there's still room for vanity items, i.e disco mirror ball for the CQ, posters of celebs/models or whatnots, nude/semi-nude [hit for kids/puberty age] at premium prices, costumizable environ in CQ [ala-Room makeover to the max] for women and men alike... and lots lots more... hehehe

Mia Aires
Posted - 2011.06.27 23:33:00 - [12423]
 


Keijyo
Posted - 2011.06.27 23:33:00 - [12424]
 

Originally by: Miilla
Originally by: Askereus Sajuuk-Khar

It is survival brought on by GREED, overstretching to GET MORE MORE MROE.

Greed is greed none the less.



strongly agreed with you. So whats the plan for items? ) A HAT!!! A SPACECAPTAIN HAT FOR 99.95$!!!


The plan is for skills, server side stuff, ships and more.

Like it or not, there is a demand for it and thus it IS comming.




I don't keep my subscriptions on auto-renew, so i can't cancel them to make a point to CCP.

However, i do want to mention that i am leaving this thread forever, because Miila just won't shut up. Rolling Eyes

Miilla
Minmatar
Hulkageddon Orphanage
Posted - 2011.06.27 23:35:00 - [12425]
 

Edited by: Miilla on 27/06/2011 23:41:07




October 28th is going to be an interesting date. :)


Askereus Sajuuk-Khar
Posted - 2011.06.27 23:35:00 - [12426]
 

And hear this all!!!This is the most EPIC ITEM!!! U do not ask for this ****! But we are released this one!! All hail to BINOCLE!! for 134.95$

Zhula Guixgrixks
Increasing Success by Lowering Expectations
Posted - 2011.06.27 23:51:00 - [12427]
 

Edited by: Zhula Guixgrixks on 27/06/2011 23:52:46


from FHC :

"Lol, I showed the financial statement to one of my VC buddies and his only reply was "Sounds bad"


anybody knows some VC guys ? Ask them , ASK THEM :-D






Adunh Slavy
Ammatar Trade Syndicate
Posted - 2011.06.28 00:00:00 - [12428]
 

Must be dinner time in Millaville

Mina Sebiestar
Minmatar
Mactabilis Simplex Cursus
Posted - 2011.06.28 00:00:00 - [12429]
 

solution is easy borrow even more money and start developing another two ****y MT game....

profit?

Miilla
Minmatar
Hulkageddon Orphanage
Posted - 2011.06.28 00:01:00 - [12430]
 

Originally by: Adunh Slavy
Must be dinner time in Millaville


We are all over here in a new threadnaught :)

http://www.eveonline.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=1541173&page=8



Kruger81
Caldari
Caldari Provisions
Posted - 2011.06.28 00:01:00 - [12431]
 

Just a crazy thought...

Who are the ppl most likely to try WoD and Dust?
Who are the ppl most likely to tell other ppl how awsome it will be?

I would have thought EvE players.
Will you buy Dust or WoD after this?

Mia Aires
Posted - 2011.06.28 00:01:00 - [12432]
 

Edited by: Mia Aires on 28/06/2011 00:02:40
Originally by: Adunh Slavy
Must be dinner time in Millaville


No, she's currently here Laughing No harm meant!

diaufop
Posted - 2011.06.28 00:04:00 - [12433]
 

Edited by: diaufop on 28/06/2011 00:04:43
Originally by: Kruger81
Just a crazy thought...

Who are the ppl most likely to try WoD and Dust?
Who are the ppl most likely to tell other ppl how awsome it will be?

I would have thought EvE players.
Will you buy Dust or WoD after this?

I used to play V:TM pen&paper many years ago, and was indeed looking forward to the WoD MMO back when it was first announced that CCP had bought out White Wolf all those years ago.

As years went by, I started looking forward to it less and less, fearing that the recent Twilight *sparkle* craze would have a negative impact on CCP's interpretation of the game.

By this point, I wouldn't play CCP's WoD MMO - if it ever gets released - if they paid me. Maybe if they sold to licence to some other company I'd play "a" WoD MMO, but not one from CCP.

As for Dust, I stopped playing FPS games years ago so that was never on the cards for me.

Askereus Sajuuk-Khar
Posted - 2011.06.28 00:05:00 - [12434]
 

Originally by: Kruger81
Just a crazy thought...

Who are the ppl most likely to try WoD and Dust?
Who are the ppl most likely to tell other ppl how awsome it will be?

I would have thought EvE players.
Will you buy Dust or WoD after this?


I would buy if not this story what I'm experiencing...I will not tell U now, but later after the confirmation of THAT course I'll never buy that titles.(Thou I was interested in WoD project cuz I played Vampire The Masquerade)

Askereus Sajuuk-Khar
Posted - 2011.06.28 00:08:00 - [12435]
 

Well guy's. See ya later. I'm gonna download Perpetuum and register.

Zeg Quul
Posted - 2011.06.28 00:12:00 - [12436]
 

Edited by: Zeg Quul on 28/06/2011 00:12:48

For 10.000.000$ annual profit CCP is able to hire ~200-250 new devs to fix Eve.
They are not doing it. You are paying.






Kasperow
Posted - 2011.06.28 00:25:00 - [12437]
 

I never quite understood what the fuzz is all about. Sure, people say that CCP have been lying about introducing Microtransactions in EVE, but I can't see what harm the Noble Exchange-thing has done so far. It's not like richer players suddenly got an advantage over less economically fortunate players. They already had that advantage. In a sense, this whole deal has been around for a long time, if I recall correctly.

What I'm hinting at here is PLEX. As you probably know, you can buy PLEX with real money, sell the PLEX in-game and get ISK for it and use those ISK to buy fancy stuff. How exactly is this different from the Noble Exchange store? You still buy PLEX with real money, exchange it into AUR, then buy fancy stuff using your new AUR.

I don't mean to actually defend either side in this debate, I just want to point out to all those who want Microtransactions gone, that removing them entirely would require that PLEX are removed as well. Would you really want that to happen?

---

Now, I can understand that some people are mildly agitated that they have been lied to by CCP. To be honest, I only recently heard about the MT-protests. Until Incarna came out, I had no idea CCP were planning on adding some of the useless vanity-items in the Noble Exchange-store. It probably could help if I actually read the dev-blogs, rather than only bothering to read the Patch Notes that come with each patch.

In my eyes, the Noble Exchange-store only offers more options for using your PLEX, and as such isn't really that bad... YET! I don't mind that you can buy vanity items if you feel you have the money, but if they start adding more... attractive options, then CCP might as well take a Tech 2 1400mm Artillery Cannon and shoot themselves in the foot with it. I probably won't be using the Noble Exchange-store anyway, since I don't have the money to buy PLEX for that purpose, but I would probably consider quitting EVE the moment they allow you to buy Faction Standings and Faction Ships/Equipment. Allowing those to be purchasable goods would honestly ruin EVE for me, and probably also for the rest of my Corp. Why? Well, they're not things that should be aavailable for purchase in the first place. Faction ships, modules and standings should (in my eyes) be earned, rather than just bought for money. Besides, I think I speak for a lot of people here, when I say it's a lot more fun to go out and earn the ISK and Loyalty Points needed to buy a Faction Battleship, rather than just buying a bunch of PLEX's and exchanging them into AUR and then just buying the ship. It is a lot more entertaining to watch random NPC-pirates go "Kaboom!"

---

All in all, I think CCP should be very careful what they do next. My corp actually wouldn't mind if they could go back to Incursion 1.6, and then continue from there, but I guess that's not going to happen any time soon...

And whatever you do, CCP, don't p**s off your players more than you've already done. Right now, there's a fire, and your kind of damage control seems to be pouring gasoline on the flames. Needless to say, you should do what would work, rather than what isn't as effective (that is, you should give your players what they want, rather than what they don't want). They don't want words or excuses, they want (sorry to say it) Incursion 1.6. It had less complaints, it allowed them to spin their ships, and it was generally rather well done unlike Incarna in general.

That's all from me. I think we're done here.

Adunh Slavy
Ammatar Trade Syndicate
Posted - 2011.06.28 00:28:00 - [12438]
 

Originally by: Kruger81
Just a crazy thought...


Who are the ppl most likely to try WoD and Dust?

WoD - I really don't know. On request, I built a combat engine in PennMUSH in the late 90s for some friends who had a white wolf vampire thing going on, I didn't play it, I just built that part for them, so maybe some older people, emo kids if it let's them rage in-game and be 'evil'

Dust - I would have played it if were on the PC. Consoles and I do not get along.

Who are the ppl most likely to tell other ppl how awsome it will be?

For Wod - White Wolf has a fan base, or did as far as I know, and has had one for quite some time. I suspect they would be looking forward to it. That whole 'larp' i guess? When you boil it down, that is what CCP got with the merge, the fan base. No one has IP over the idea of 'vampires', cept Vlad, and he's not filed a law suit in years.

For Dust - I'm sure they were counting on some word of mouth from Eve, but most likely in the FPS advertisement and PR channels.

Will you buy Dust or WoD after this?

Nope, would have done Dust on PC, as stated.

Kawika Cox
Posted - 2011.06.28 00:30:00 - [12439]
 

Originally by: Miilla
Edited by: Miilla on 27/06/2011 23:41:07




October 28th is going to be an interesting date. :)



ccp will be out of business by then... or so downscaled that a launch would be impossible.

Kailithi
Posted - 2011.06.28 00:32:00 - [12440]
 

Press release (satire)
CCP hires Cave Johnson:

Please visit your user settings to re-enable images.

Miilla
Minmatar
Hulkageddon Orphanage
Posted - 2011.06.28 00:32:00 - [12441]
 

Originally by: Kawika Cox
Originally by: Miilla
Edited by: Miilla on 27/06/2011 23:41:07




October 28th is going to be an interesting date. :)



ccp will be out of business by then... or so downscaled that a launch would be impossible.


OR sold off.

Cap Tyrian
Guiding Hand Social Club
Dystopia Alliance
Posted - 2011.06.28 00:35:00 - [12442]
 

My Megapost of what was going on in short form.

Eve Forum

^_^/

Vandrion
Gallente
The Collective
B O R G
Posted - 2011.06.28 00:42:00 - [12443]
 

Originally by: Cap Tyrian
My Megapost of what was going on in short form.

Eve Forum

^_^/


You never read the WHOLE newsletter did you?????

Adunh Slavy
Ammatar Trade Syndicate
Posted - 2011.06.28 00:44:00 - [12444]
 

Edited by: Adunh Slavy on 28/06/2011 00:50:59
Originally by: Cap Tyrian
My Megapost of what was going on in short form.

Eve Forum

^_^/


I have not read it all yet, but looks good so far. Some of this 'rage' began years ago too, so may want to add some of that backstory as well.

Edit - I think your conclusions are a bit too optimistic, though not completly incorrect.

Uuali
Posted - 2011.06.28 00:48:00 - [12445]
 

Looks like… ALL… BETS… ARE… (still) OFF.

Maeve Nightside
Posted - 2011.06.28 00:51:00 - [12446]
 

ARE YOU UNSUBBED and feel helpless (or just mean)?

Then inflict some damage....

PLEX is a liability to CCP. It represents game time they have to maintain that they have already cashed the check on. It is a loan from the players.

NeX is a good way for them to get rid of that liability; when folks cash in PLEX, they don't have to provide services for game time and all some idiot just gets a monocle or a pair of jeans (which costs nothing for CCP).

Unusub players - Kick them in the nads
. Sell all your stuff, convert it to PLEX and give it to a (staying) player that you can trust to use it for game time.

Ouch! Your unsub just hit CCP's cashflow hard because they just lost X times PLEX of short-term subscription fees. The added benefit is they they get NOTHING from sales at the NeX store from these PLEX.

If they need liquidity, take it from them. You can even keep your mission ship on your account so if things turn around you can build up quickly enough.

You might not like the idea, but I thought it was cool. Full credit to Londo Cebb in previous post. Hit me as particularly vindictive.

Major Stallion
The Money Shot Inc.
Posted - 2011.06.28 00:54:00 - [12447]
 

Originally by: Miilla
Edited by: Miilla on 27/06/2011 23:41:07




October 28th is going to be an interesting date. :)




elaborate on this?

Gingawa
Caldari
Platinum Dragons
Intrepid Crossing
Posted - 2011.06.28 00:55:00 - [12448]
 

Iceland is so broke CCP took on the mission to fix their economy.

Also, I came online to get away from being a taxpayer ****ed by the government. Damn.

Gulliver Rex
Posted - 2011.06.28 00:55:00 - [12449]
 

Originally by: Miilla


CCP are depending on RICH players to make up the cash flow problem.






Yes, Ma'am.

Make no mistake. This is not a peasants' revolt. It is the nobles of Eve who are up in arms. A Civil War (Roman, not American) with our very own Optimates and Populares duking it out.

As for what happened to CCP, it is hardly surprising; happens all the time, and, with all due respect, to much smarter people, too. And they are trying to find solution within the game. So?

Perhaps, and I could easily be wrong, NeX is not such a bad idea; it is the implementation that presently sucks.

Personally, I feel Eve should be a subscription only game, but the cost of it should be tied to your skillpoints. The more you have the more you pay.

If you have, say, 5 mil. sp, you hardly have access to what even your average ftp game offers; why should you be paying more?

But paying more for being a loyal customer makes little sense, too, unless it comes with some very exclusive privileges, privileges that can be sold (not unlike what many European nobles did with their titles) on the market so to recoup the cost of the subscription.

Long story short, you start playing for free, and as your skillpoints go up, so does the cost of subscription. In return, you earn loyalty points (the more you pay the more you earn) you can spend in the NeX store on very cool, exclusive, even overpowered items, that you can either keep and be awesome, or sell on the market to get your money back.

Moolti
Gallente
Gradient
Electus Matari
Posted - 2011.06.28 00:56:00 - [12450]
 

Originally by: Major Stallion
Originally by: Miilla
Edited by: Miilla on 27/06/2011 23:41:07




October 28th is going to be an interesting date. :)




elaborate on this?


CCP has a rather large loan (that exceed their cash on hand as of their last yearly filing) due on this date.


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