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chainedtofate
Caldari
Creative Cookie Procuring
Rote Kapelle
Posted - 2011.06.27 22:31:00 - [12391]
 

Originally by: Benri Konpaku
All welcome our new Sony overlords.


welcome to the new swg fail imminent

Miilla
Minmatar
Hulkageddon Orphanage
Posted - 2011.06.27 22:35:00 - [12392]
 

Edited by: Miilla on 27/06/2011 22:39:23

An IP sale or full company sale could happen, if all the cancellations take hold.


Given the state of their cash flow, they NEED to get More revenue, and increasing subs will not do it. It has to be an exponential boost in revenue, promised by Microtransactions.

THeir competitors have lower subscription costs, look at perpetuum, 85 dollars for a year compared to Eve's over 100 yearly.

AN increase in subs would send more cancellations.

It is MT or BUST for CCP now.

Vaerah Vahrokha
Minmatar
Vahrokh Consulting
Posted - 2011.06.27 22:39:00 - [12393]
 

Originally by: Miilla

No cash liquidity, that means they have to MONOTISE THEIR ASSETS, OR SELL THEM.

CCP have NO CHOICE in the matter to survive or get bought up.



Read the statements and look what they have filed as assets, so you will correct your statement.

Miilla
Minmatar
Hulkageddon Orphanage
Posted - 2011.06.27 22:40:00 - [12394]
 

Originally by: Vaerah Vahrokha
Originally by: Miilla

No cash liquidity, that means they have to MONOTISE THEIR ASSETS, OR SELL THEM.

CCP have NO CHOICE in the matter to survive or get bought up.



Read the statements and look what they have filed as assets, so you will correct your statement.


Read the deferred liabilites.

Vandrion
Gallente
The Collective
B O R G
Posted - 2011.06.27 22:40:00 - [12395]
 

linkage????

Skarlett Silver
Posted - 2011.06.27 22:41:00 - [12396]
 

which means that the new link with sony for the Dust 514 exclusive may be a handy get-out clause when they find they are out of cash and time.


...Though this means going back on what they said here, which they have never done in the past...have they?Shocked

w0rmy
Destructive Influence
Posted - 2011.06.27 22:43:00 - [12397]
 

Originally by: Miilla
Given the state of their cash flow, they NEED to get More revenue, and increasing subs will not do it.



Communicating with their player base might!


414 pages later... a little boy waits.

Capsuleer Newton
Amarr
Posted - 2011.06.27 22:45:00 - [12398]
 

Originally by: Miilla
Edited by: Miilla on 27/06/2011 22:39:23

An IP sale or full company sale could happen, if all the cancellations take hold.


Given the state of their cash flow, they NEED to get More revenue, and increasing subs will not do it. It has to be an exponential boost in revenue, promised by Microtransactions.

THeir competitors have lower subscription costs, look at perpetuum, 85 dollars for a year compared to Eve's over 100 yearly.

AN increase in subs would send more cancellations.

It is MT or BUST for CCP now.


If they go the MT route, then they should make it Free2Play, as for me, i think i would bleed if i'm being milked twice LaughingLaughingLaughing

Miilla
Minmatar
Hulkageddon Orphanage
Posted - 2011.06.27 22:45:00 - [12399]
 

Edited by: Miilla on 27/06/2011 22:50:49
Originally by: w0rmy
Originally by: Miilla
Given the state of their cash flow, they NEED to get More revenue, and increasing subs will not do it.



Communicating with their player base might!


414 pages later... a little boy waits.



Communication has a cost. :)

It is microtransactions for all. They cannot raise cash liquidity as easily without it and no way can they go FREE TO PLAY with the cash liquidity they have now.

They would have considered sub increases and f2p, and ruled them out.

They are banking literally on rich players spending MORE that way they wouldnt alienate (so they thought) their non rich customers.


Kilmiester
Posted - 2011.06.27 22:50:00 - [12400]
 

So this all makes sense now... CCP isn't really THAT stupid to want to try this. They're just that ****ed and had to try something. Cause of death isn't terminal stupidity(Okay this is arguable), but actually..... okay stupidity in trying to fund 2 projects by beating it out of your golden goose.


Very Predictable Feedback

fatboy21007
Gallente
Deliberate Means
Posted - 2011.06.27 22:53:00 - [12401]
 

they need cash? welp heres the solution, 1. its not are fault ya morons dug your own hole and didnt think things through and ya also relied on Eve's income soley which now days seems to be the common case. Sell Dust/Sell WOD and fire those staff, as ****ty as it sounds but their is a nice chunk paid back to your creditors and it'll allow ya to keep runing eve and easily pay your debts back without fireing any of eves devs or staffs. However go the Mt route and Enjoy sinking just like others have. Time for you CCP to decide on whats more important, Eve and the community of eve or ambitious dreams not though out properly which even if ya choose the MT route WILL NOT FIX YOUR MISTAKE. Even if we stay here you wont get that big money your looking for. the way i just told ya is the only way to logically get yourself back out of dept. And lets pray you dont take on other projects in the future, unless you yourselves saved the money and funded it on your own. You put yourselves here NOT US. So your debt issues are not are problams, best give up the pitch to pull money for us and ACCEPT the fact DUST and WOD will never be and sellem to some1 who can finish wat ya started. IF you dont then youll end up being bought by another company just as icarus studios recently was as they just tried the very same thing you did. Remember ccp keep all new idea projects as side projects and NEVER take a LOAN as itll end your company. Have a great day. hope you try this plan if not even with MT or no MT keeping those projects and extra heads int he corp is gonna end ya.

Capsuleer Newton
Amarr
Posted - 2011.06.27 22:54:00 - [12402]
 

Originally by: Kilmiester
So this all makes sense now... CCP isn't really THAT stupid to want to try this. They're just that ****ed and had to try something. Cause of death isn't terminal stupidity(Okay this is arguable), but actually..... okay stupidity in trying to fund 2 projects by beating it out of your golden goose.


Very Predictable Feedback


they could have told the playerbase prior, and the playerbase might brainstorm ideas and might come up with a better more acceptable solution, instead of blindsiding the playerbase...

Miilla
Minmatar
Hulkageddon Orphanage
Posted - 2011.06.27 22:55:00 - [12403]
 

Edited by: Miilla on 27/06/2011 22:55:49
Originally by: Capsuleer Newton
Originally by: Kilmiester
So this all makes sense now... CCP isn't really THAT stupid to want to try this. They're just that ****ed and had to try something. Cause of death isn't terminal stupidity(Okay this is arguable), but actually..... okay stupidity in trying to fund 2 projects by beating it out of your golden goose.


Very Predictable Feedback


they could have told the playerbase prior, and the playerbase might brainstorm ideas and might come up with a better more acceptable solution, instead of blindsiding the playerbase...


They would have done that themselves with the finance information and projections.

They would have considered all options.

MT is the option they chose because the rest wouldnt fix the problem.


You can rule out free to play, if it crashes, its a company/ip yard sale by the creditors. They NEED the subs, and they need the MT. They are in a corner.


Kailithi
Posted - 2011.06.27 22:56:00 - [12404]
 

Originally by: Vaerah Vahrokha
Edited by: Vaerah Vahrokha on 27/06/2011 22:15:18
Originally by: Miilla



Won't take many people to leave Eve to cause CCP some serious financial pain, perhaps say they lose 20,000 actual players (and thair MANY alt accounts), that is most likely one third of their customer base GONE.



If you spent less time copy pasting the same 3 posts and more reading the Market Discussion forum (and GD) you'd have found the leaked financial statements and would know that they are already in financial pain.


So link them :P

Besides, even without aging yearly accounts the current actions (and lack thereof)of CCP are the marks of panic, desperation and denial.

I won't even touch on all the reports of the lousy wages they pay their programmers, nor the churn rate for unhappy staff. The code for Incarna alone speaks for itself. If you pay peanuts you get monkeys applying, hmmm!

One must wonder however, how they are going to pay for all these new offices and staff to develop Dust and WoD when they are killing the only game that's pulling in revenue.

Hmmm. Let me think, I am the CEO of an international company.


I have 600 staff costing me say $40k a year each. So $24 million a year in overheads just for wages.

There there's the added overheads of insurance, premises, advertising, taxes, national insurance, rates, heating, water, interest on loans, hospitality, trade shows* (the cost of which alone can add up to $1 million+ per event) ...

I have one product pulling in $54 million a year.

I have two products in development (carrying serious penalties for not reaching agreed roadmaps).

Ah, the numbers don't add up, the shareholders are NOT happy and some of the investors frankly scare me.

So what do I do? What do I do to balance the sheets.

YESSS! If works for free to play games, it worked for WoW with sparkly ponies and pets, I'll make them pay more and more for less and less. Genius!

* One day later the **** hits the fan, the employees - who repeatedly warned me this would happen - are bricking it and frankly getting on my nerves with all the crying in corners and logging onto job agency sites when they think I'm not looking *

What do I do?

Aha! I'll send a global memo telling the staff I planned for this and that the cattle, err, subscribers, will fall in line. Everything is fine people. Your jobs are safe. Who's da man?

*presses intercom*

Oh FFS, will someone pass my secretary a tissue and find me my Wizard of Oz DVD, I need to relax.

mplaneteight atzero
Posted - 2011.06.27 22:58:00 - [12405]
 

Edited by: mplaneteight atzero on 27/06/2011 23:00:33
I canceled 3 accounts.
First off, what the hell is good about walking in stations if I can not go visit the others that are docked?

Second, the Super Cap BLOBS that have no paper to their rock.
-BUFF the Dreads so they can take 1 single DD. A standard fit fleet dread should have 4m EHP.
-Give each dread 1 SmartBomb slot with 50% added range / damage pr level when sieged.
-Seed a capital ship size, 100km range warp disruptor. Let 5 of them stop an SC and 10 of them stop a Titan.
-Lower siege cycle from 10 min to 3 min.

Logistics...
-Increase jump bridge ranges by 5AU. You made cloaker-gangs a lot more efficient, give the logistic guys a small break.

Sov Mechanics... Seriously... make stations self destructible, or give them 5 billion HP at 99% resists.
10k DPS * 200 SC * 60 sec * 60 min * 24h = 172 billion in damage per day. That means, that in 3 days such a blob could kill a station and EVERYONE in that station lose EVERYTHING.

If that is to harsh, well, make it so the station does not pop, just permanently out of order and not possible to repair, destroying everything on the market, everything in corp hangars, everything on Escrow and destroy all jump clones... making that system, barren. (Since you can not add a new station to it) That means you have to fly in there, dock, and collect your own items since you can not trade them or escrow them or sell them... And everyone should be able to dock at that station, for ever.

And Barren stations should be a place where you can store your TTIAN or your SUPER CARRIER.

Capsuleer Newton
Amarr
Posted - 2011.06.27 23:01:00 - [12406]
 

Originally by: Miilla
Edited by: Miilla on 27/06/2011 22:55:49
Originally by: Capsuleer Newton
Originally by: Kilmiester
So this all makes sense now... CCP isn't really THAT stupid to want to try this. They're just that ****ed and had to try something. Cause of death isn't terminal stupidity(Okay this is arguable), but actually..... okay stupidity in trying to fund 2 projects by beating it out of your golden goose.


Very Predictable Feedback


they could have told the playerbase prior, and the playerbase might brainstorm ideas and might come up with a better more acceptable solution, instead of blindsiding the playerbase...


They would have done that themselves with the finance information and projections.

They would have considered all options.

MT is the option they chose because the rest wouldnt fix the problem.


You can rule out free to play, if it crashes, its a company/ip yard sale by the creditors. They NEED the subs, and they need the MT. They are in a corner.




So, this is the best option they have? Alienate a lot of players into unsubscribing? hehehe, still not a very good option. if you ask me, i would have opted to get rid of the discount i got from having a 6-month sub plan than MT. i'd be happy to pay $15/month, not $72/6months even if i have the 6 month plan, but then, meeh, its unsubbed now.

Miilla
Minmatar
Hulkageddon Orphanage
Posted - 2011.06.27 23:03:00 - [12407]
 

Edited by: Miilla on 27/06/2011 23:06:11



Originally by: Capsuleer Newton
Originally by: Miilla
Edited by: Miilla on 27/06/2011 22:55:49
Originally by: Capsuleer Newton
Originally by: Kilmiester
So this all makes sense now... CCP isn't really THAT stupid to want to try this. They're just that ****ed and had to try something. Cause of death isn't terminal stupidity(Okay this is arguable), but actually..... okay stupidity in trying to fund 2 projects by beating it out of your golden goose.


Very Predictable Feedback


they could have told the playerbase prior, and the playerbase might brainstorm ideas and might come up with a better more acceptable solution, instead of blindsiding the playerbase...


They would have done that themselves with the finance information and projections.

They would have considered all options.

MT is the option they chose because the rest wouldnt fix the problem.


You can rule out free to play, if it crashes, its a company/ip yard sale by the creditors. They NEED the subs, and they need the MT. They are in a corner.




So, this is the best option they have? Alienate a lot of players into unsubscribing? hehehe, still not a very good option. if you ask me, i would have opted to get rid of the discount i got from having a 6-month sub plan than MT. i'd be happy to pay $15/month, not $72/6months even if i have the 6 month plan, but then, meeh, its unsubbed now.



Look at competitors prices, Perpetuum, got a crapload of players from here, their yearly sub is CHEAPER by far and it is very Eve like.

Increasing subs would also alienate players.


CCP are depending on RICH players to make up the cash flow problem. SO pony up you rich monocle lovers.

NO way are CCP going to let go of DUST and WoD, especially not WoD.

It is costing too much, over running budgets and time. Which should have came as no supprises really.

IT is sucking CCP dry in cash liquidity.

Kind of ironic for a VAMPIRE Game lol

I say ditch dust and focus on WoD. and Eve. Before dust turns into a flop. It also makes sense why they had Dust development costs in China lol. Cheaper.

Where is WoD developed?

Kewso
Posted - 2011.06.27 23:03:00 - [12408]
 

Edited by: Kewso on 27/06/2011 23:03:40
Good News Everyone

Hello Kitty Online is now selling Monocles!!!

http://wiki.hellokittyonline.com/index.php/Monocle


Get one today!


Adunh Slavy
Ammatar Trade Syndicate
Posted - 2011.06.27 23:06:00 - [12409]
 

Edited by: Adunh Slavy on 27/06/2011 23:06:26
Originally by: Capsuleer Newton
Originally by: Kilmiester
So this all makes sense now... CCP isn't really THAT stupid to want to try this. They're just that ****ed and had to try something. Cause of death isn't terminal stupidity(Okay this is arguable), but actually..... okay stupidity in trying to fund 2 projects by beating it out of your golden goose.


Very Predictable Feedback


they could have told the playerbase prior, and the playerbase might brainstorm ideas and might come up with a better more acceptable solution, instead of blindsiding the playerbase...


The community has been making suggestions for years, and warnings. CCP didn't listen.

diaufop
Posted - 2011.06.27 23:08:00 - [12410]
 

Edited by: diaufop on 27/06/2011 23:08:39
Originally by: Capsuleer Newton

So, this is the best option they have? Alienate a lot of players into unsubscribing? hehehe, still not a very good option. if you ask me, i would have opted to get rid of the discount i got from having a 6-month sub plan than MT. i'd be happy to pay $15/month, not $72/6months even if i have the 6 month plan, but then, meeh, its unsubbed now.

It should be noted, CCP didn't plan on alienating players. Someone within the company leaked the infamous Greed is Good newsletter and Hilmar's e-mail - the rest is just terribly bad work by the PR department and lack of a crisis management plan. CCP could easily have survived the fallout of a poor, buggy expansion, a CQ that melts ATI gfx cards, and Monocle-gate, if the players hadn't learned of the looming pay-to-win combined with the complete disregard of player's opinion and desires.

Without those documents leaked, this wouldn't have snowballed anywhere near so far, CCP wouldn't have lost so many subscribers they go into sheer panic, and no-one would have even thought of taking a look at CCP's financial statements.

Miilla
Minmatar
Hulkageddon Orphanage
Posted - 2011.06.27 23:08:00 - [12411]
 

Edited by: Miilla on 27/06/2011 23:11:34
Originally by: diaufop
Originally by: Capsuleer Newton

So, this is the best option they have? Alienate a lot of players into unsubscribing? hehehe, still not a very good option. if you ask me, i would have opted to get rid of the discount i got from having a 6-month sub plan than MT. i'd be happy to pay $15/month, not $72/6months even if i have the 6 month plan, but then, meeh, its unsubbed now.

It should be noted, CCP didn't plan on alienating players. Someone within the company leaked the infamous Greed is Good newsletter and Hilmar's e-mail - the rest is just terribly bad work by the PR department and lack of a crisis managment plan. CCP could easily have survived the fallout of a poor, buggy expansion, a CQ that melt's people gfx cards, and Monocle-gate, if the players hadn't learned of the looming pay-to-win.

Without those documents leaked, this wouldn't have snowballed anywhere near so far, CCP wouldn't have lost so many subscribers they go into sheer panic, and no-one would have even thought of taking a look at CCP's financial statements.


It would have happened anyway once it went live.

It just happened earlier than they planned. That is why they are miffed.

Just now that the customers are cancelling in droves, that makes getting loans that bit more of a sweaty discussion point lol.

Without loans, CCP has cash LIQUIDITY problems that impacts WoD and Dust, WoD especially.

Bad financial planning and overstretching. Greed, and foolishness by Icelanders yet again.



diaufop
Posted - 2011.06.27 23:11:00 - [12412]
 

Edited by: diaufop on 27/06/2011 23:13:54
Edited by: diaufop on 27/06/2011 23:11:45

Originally by: Miilla

It would have once it went live.

It just happened earlier than they planned. That is why they are miffed.



True, but I'm assuming that by the time pay-to-win went live, Dust would have been out - it's not as if CCP were going to launch pay-to-win right off that bat, it'd be done incrementally. The $70 monocles were a quick cash injection were to test the waters regarding just how much cash they could milk us for, and to show investors that there's plenty more profit to be made both from EVE and the upcoming projects. I'm thinking CCP were banking on Dust being a Huge Success and having enough income from that to absorb the loss of thousands of EVE subs from the p2w outrage.

Miilla
Minmatar
Hulkageddon Orphanage
Posted - 2011.06.27 23:13:00 - [12413]
 

Edited by: Miilla on 27/06/2011 23:14:18
Originally by: diaufop
Edited by: diaufop on 27/06/2011 23:11:45

Originally by: Miilla

It would have once it went live.

It just happened earlier than they planned. That is why they are miffed.



True, but I'm assuming that by the time pay-to-win went live, Dust would have been out - it's not as if CCP were going to launch pay-to-win right off that bat, it'd be done incrementally. The $70 monocles were a quick cash injection and to test the waters regarding just how much cash they could milk us for. I'm thinking CCP were banking on Dust being a Huge Success and having enough income from that to absorb the loss of thousands of EVE subs from the p2w outrage.


Oh no, they have an agressive timetable Im sure for all this.

The big risk is now for WoD.


And again the multiple account cancellation amplification issue rises its ugly head here when it comes to hitting whatever cash liquidity they had buffered, which to be honest, isnt that much for their company. It really is peanuts. Not enuf cash liquidity. Overstretching, greed, foolishness yet again.

lett erika
Posted - 2011.06.27 23:13:00 - [12414]
 

All i have to say is what the hell?

I am a 7 year player of eve and I have alwase defended CCP to newer players saying "CCP is more geard twords pleaseing the players not your pockets" and now you guys pull this Bull.

Was I wrong or do I need to quit eve Before the worst part comes?

I am not rich at all infact I am indeed dirt poor hence why I play eve and if you guys keep going down this path you lose alot of vet players like me that stuck with eve through the good times and the bad.

Askereus Sajuuk-Khar
Posted - 2011.06.27 23:14:00 - [12415]
 

Originally by: Caladan Broood
We've seen the email that went out but I have the original version that was SUPPOSED to go out, someone goofed and sent the wrong email! The original per my sources: (satire)

(strt)

We live in interesting times; in fact the EVE players are the kind of base that if CCP tries to implement a misdirected play-to-win scheme, they instinctively crank up their voice notch or ten. That, they certainly have done this week. First off we have Incarna, an amazing patch that was untested technological and left many users with over-headed computers and graphics cards while at the same time needlessly encumbering the docking and fitting process. A vision from years ago went unrealized and no one could have imaged how hard Incarna failed; we still dream however. The rollout went with some negative feedback; in some cases negative feedback came faster than what had before, this is the pinnacle of professional achievement for failing to provide quality testing. For all the noise in the channel we should all stand heads lowered, years from now this is what people will remember.

But we have done more, not only have we redefined the production quality lapses one can apply to virtual worlds with the cumbersome and bugged Incarna but we have also defined what it really means to mistakenly believe in your own corporate spin as true and force a new money grab scheme via a new virtual goods currency, Aurum.

Naturally, we have caught the attention of the world, but not in the way expected or envisioned by our PR manager. Only a few weeks ago we revealed more information about DUST 514 and now we have done it again by committing to redefining how EVE has operated for the last eight years, regardless of assumptions made to the contrary. After 40 hours we have already sold 52 monocles, generating more revenue than any of the other items in the store which we will use to fly in the CSM to Iceland on an emergency basis to help us figure out how to make 4,000+ canceled subscriptions return.

This we have done after months of research by a group of highly incompetent and self-delusional professionals, soliciting input and perspective from Zulu (almost exclusively) and experts in our coffee lounge. We have communicated our intention here internally in very wide circles through the Virtual Economy Summit presentation at the GSM, our Fearless newsletter, sprint reviews, email lists and multiple other channels which some spiteful employee leaked to the EVE community. This should not come as a surprise to anyone that EVE players shut down the trade hubs, they were not to be informed prior to patching in the new gold-ammo.

Currently we are seeing “very predictable feedback” on what we are doing but not on the predicted scale. Having the perspective of having done this for a decade, I can tell you that this is one of the moments where we look at what our players do and less of what they say. Unfortunately, so far what they say and what they do has been the same thing, leading to our current predicament. Innovation takes courage to be upfront with your users and when we lay the ground work to implement what the players do not want and what we have said we would not implement, the predictable reaction is always to resist change.

We went out with a decisive strategy on pricing and we will stay the course and not flip flop around or knee jerk react to the predictable because we need that new income to pay for the CSM flights and our two other games in development. That is not saying nothing will change, on the contrary, in fact we know that success in this space is through learning and adapting to “what is actually happening” and new knowledge gained from begging the CSM for help.
...


a ha ha ha I LOL'ed much!

Brainless Bimbo
Minmatar
Posted - 2011.06.27 23:17:00 - [12416]
 

Basically CCP shot itself in the foot by not being up front with the goose about its situation, the passion manifested would have been very different if it had been handled differently, its not greed that's driving them, its survival.



Miilla
Minmatar
Hulkageddon Orphanage
Posted - 2011.06.27 23:18:00 - [12417]
 

Edited by: Miilla on 27/06/2011 23:26:03
Originally by: Brainless Bimbo
Basically CCP shot itself in the foot by not being up front with the goose about its situation, the passion manifested would have been very different if it had been handled differently, its not greed that's driving them, its survival.





It is survival brought on by GREED, overstretching to GET MORE MORE MROE.

Greed is greed none the less.


They have no other way to get money, either more loans (this is what they do currently and will continue to do more to get and pay off matured loans - basically bonds in the company), monatise more of their existing assets (Microtransactions comming and comming fast and hard), sell / license some IP (last opttion and ruled out unless its do or die), company sell off (last option unless the investors get a great deal and will force it)

All you richies with monocles, you are paying for CCP's greed and will pay more.

Unless a monocle miracle happens, se ya CCP.


Askereus Sajuuk-Khar
Posted - 2011.06.27 23:23:00 - [12418]
 


It is survival brought on by GREED, overstretching to GET MORE MORE MROE.

Greed is greed none the less.



strongly agreed with you. So whats the plan for items? ) A HAT!!! A SPACECAPTAIN HAT FOR 99.95$!!!

Miilla
Minmatar
Hulkageddon Orphanage
Posted - 2011.06.27 23:30:00 - [12419]
 

Originally by: Askereus Sajuuk-Khar

It is survival brought on by GREED, overstretching to GET MORE MORE MROE.

Greed is greed none the less.



strongly agreed with you. So whats the plan for items? ) A HAT!!! A SPACECAPTAIN HAT FOR 99.95$!!!


The plan is for skills, server side stuff, ships and more.

Like it or not, there is a demand for it and thus it IS comming.


kestrael nanahara
Caldari
Wrecking Shots
Wildly Inappropriate.
Posted - 2011.06.27 23:30:00 - [12420]
 

Originally by: Askereus Sajuuk-Khar

It is survival brought on by GREED, overstretching to GET MORE MORE MROE.

Greed is greed none the less.



strongly agreed with you. So whats the plan for items? ) A HAT!!! A SPACECAPTAIN HAT FOR 99.95$!!!


ILL BUY A MILLION SPACECAPTAIN HATS. now ccp is saved so they can continue poorly running their company HUZZZZAH!


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