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Caiyuga Onishi
Posted - 2011.06.27 21:54:00 - [12361]
 

Leaving.

Zero GodOfDestruction
Posted - 2011.06.27 21:54:00 - [12362]
 

Originally by: DragonGrace
Right, i have read through a lot of this stuff....

now ok, i have just not 10 minutes ago got round to this leaked email stuff. and yes, i am shocked. but the only reason i am is because i see the problem....The Plex - Aurum Ratio is a tad off.

and finally from me....INCARNA DOES NOT SUCK!!! from a technical point of view its quite an acheivement, not just for an MMO, for a computer game full stop. TIP OF THE HAT TO CCP FOR A GREAT JOB! yeh ok, some people have had problems.

but for people who are going on about "too much systems resources being used" "doesnt run smoothly", i would like to know how that is CCP's fault?! GET A BETTER SET OF HARDWARE! ...

so stop moaning.

eve was first, so we get to use it first. its simple! now this just shows that you people are blind, and also is a shining example of how CCP can comunicate with its fans...you just choose whether you wanna read it ok?

now, to the devs.....as i said, incarna is an awesome feat...pat yourself on the back guys. granted, i had a problem not seeing my hair in the mirror on the first day lol but the patch sorted that lol :)i have been excited about this for a long time....i cant wait to see WiS when its fully loaded.

you got a life long fan here guys! Smile


DragonGrace


...Wow, so many things wrong with that. OK, so you say incarana is an awesome feat, and if by awesome feat you mean the awe inspiring ammount of gameplay bugs that were added by a patch that added room with a sigle person in it, then I agree. Now think for a second, the ammount of taxing this one room with a single entity and some clickable objects and a streaming screen is doing to TOP OF THE LINE gaming systems (especially those who have ATI, and some with certian pentium dual and quad processers), just imagine the carnage and the overtaxing of pc's once WIS is implemented, that is if this insanity doesnt kill eve before it reaches that point. Not only that, you seem to have missed the core issue in this thread, and that is the intent of CCP to implement non-vanity items in the MT store. Congretulations on being another brainwashed fail-boy ccp drone. I will leave it at that.

Zero GodOfDestruction
Posted - 2011.06.27 21:58:00 - [12363]
 

Originally by: diaufop

Are you moving beyond VANITY AUR items?



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I think this needs to be on nearly every page, so lets get it in at least once per page, at least till they kill this thread/forum.

Miilla
Minmatar
Hulkageddon Orphanage
Posted - 2011.06.27 22:00:00 - [12364]
 



I guess this means I won't be getting that GOLD Titan then?


Asmodeus Et'Mort
Amarr
Imperial Academy
Posted - 2011.06.27 22:02:00 - [12365]
 

Originally by: Zero GodOfDestruction
Originally by: DragonGrace
Right, i have read through a lot of this stuff....

now ok, i have just not 10 minutes ago got round to this leaked email stuff. and yes, i am shocked. but the only reason i am is because i see the problem....The Plex - Aurum Ratio is a tad off.

and finally from me....INCARNA DOES NOT SUCK!!! from a technical point of view its quite an acheivement, not just for an MMO, for a computer game full stop. TIP OF THE HAT TO CCP FOR A GREAT JOB! yeh ok, some people have had problems.

but for people who are going on about "too much systems resources being used" "doesnt run smoothly", i would like to know how that is CCP's fault?! GET A BETTER SET OF HARDWARE! ...

so stop moaning.

eve was first, so we get to use it first. its simple! now this just shows that you people are blind, and also is a shining example of how CCP can comunicate with its fans...you just choose whether you wanna read it ok?

now, to the devs.....as i said, incarna is an awesome feat...pat yourself on the back guys. granted, i had a problem not seeing my hair in the mirror on the first day lol but the patch sorted that lol :)i have been excited about this for a long time....i cant wait to see WiS when its fully loaded.

you got a life long fan here guys! Smile


DragonGrace


...Wow, so many things wrong with that. OK, so you say incarana is an awesome feat, and if by awesome feat you mean the awe inspiring ammount of gameplay bugs that were added by a patch that added room with a sigle person in it, then I agree. Now think for a second, the ammount of taxing this one room with a single entity and some clickable objects and a streaming screen is doing to TOP OF THE LINE gaming systems (especially those who have ATI, and some with certian pentium dual and quad processers), just imagine the carnage and the overtaxing of pc's once WIS is implemented, that is if this insanity doesnt kill eve before it reaches that point. Not only that, you seem to have missed the core issue in this thread, and that is the intent of CCP to implement non-vanity items in the MT store. Congretulations on being another brainwashed fail-boy ccp drone. I will leave it at that.


QFT

chainedtofate
Caldari
Creative Cookie Procuring
Rote Kapelle
Posted - 2011.06.27 22:03:00 - [12366]
 

Originally by: Zero GodOfDestruction
Originally by: diaufop

Are you moving beyond VANITY AUR items?



Please visit your user settings to re-enable images.




I think this needs to be on nearly every page, so lets get it in at least once per page, at least till they kill this thread/forum.

this thread will not die until after the csm conference and an official statement then the rest of us will just stop caring about eve because the news will be grim. but until then
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zs_Nd3kB-hk

SliceN Dice
Caldari
Posted - 2011.06.27 22:05:00 - [12367]
 

Hello CCP,

I am casting my votes for the players, you are now down 4 accounts and will stay that way until you come clean and get back in touch with community, yes I know it is your game and you control it, but it is my money and I control that. I like EVE very much but if you don't want to listen to the players and be upfront with what is going on then enjoy the cancelations.

Just another player.
SND

Zero GodOfDestruction
Posted - 2011.06.27 22:08:00 - [12368]
 

Originally by: Asmodeus Et'Mort
Originally by: Zero GodOfDestruction
Originally by: DragonGrace
Right, i have read through a lot of this stuff....

now ok, i have just not 10 minutes ago got round to this leaked email stuff. and yes, i am shocked. but the only reason i am is because i see the problem....The Plex - Aurum Ratio is a tad off.

and finally from me....INCARNA DOES NOT SUCK!!! from a technical point of view its quite an acheivement, not just for an MMO, for a computer game full stop. TIP OF THE HAT TO CCP FOR A GREAT JOB! yeh ok, some people have had problems.

but for people who are going on about "too much systems resources being used" "doesnt run smoothly", i would like to know how that is CCP's fault?! GET A BETTER SET OF HARDWARE! ...

so stop moaning.

eve was first, so we get to use it first. its simple! now this just shows that you people are blind, and also is a shining example of how CCP can comunicate with its fans...you just choose whether you wanna read it ok?

now, to the devs.....as i said, incarna is an awesome feat...pat yourself on the back guys. granted, i had a problem not seeing my hair in the mirror on the first day lol but the patch sorted that lol :)i have been excited about this for a long time....i cant wait to see WiS when its fully loaded.

you got a life long fan here guys! Smile


DragonGrace


...Wow, so many things wrong with that. OK, so you say incarana is an awesome feat, and if by awesome feat you mean the awe inspiring ammount of gameplay bugs that were added by a patch that added room with a sigle person in it, then I agree. Now think for a second, the ammount of taxing this one room with a single entity and some clickable objects and a streaming screen is doing to TOP OF THE LINE gaming systems (especially those who have ATI, and some with certian pentium dual and quad processers), just imagine the carnage and the overtaxing of pc's once WIS is implemented, that is if this insanity doesnt kill eve before it reaches that point. Not only that, you seem to have missed the core issue in this thread, and that is the intent of CCP to implement non-vanity items in the MT store. Congretulations on being another brainwashed fail-boy ccp drone. I will leave it at that.


QFT


You apparently misunderstand what is considered "trolling". Mabye I took it a little far with that "congratulations" line, but the rest of that is my opinon, and Its my right, as an eve player with remaining gametime left, to voice my opinions. That is all.

Govinda Sertan
Posted - 2011.06.27 22:09:00 - [12369]
 

Edited by: Govinda Sertan on 27/06/2011 22:10:04
MT is only one of the main issue.
The second one is the fact they dont care about their game anymore.

CCP is actually focus on 2 things :

1. WoD and DUST developpement.
2. Milking Eve gamers till they are dry, because the above point is requesting more money.

So yes. Eve is basically a farm now. And we are the cows.

Consider that all the money that gamers are putting in Eve since 2 years, is only used for developping other games and implementing AUR-based economy.

That's the reason i am mad. The game actually needs lots of attention due to tons of bugs, lag, and lacks of upgrades. And it wont get it any time soon, considering CCP dont care anymore.

Mia Aires
Posted - 2011.06.27 22:09:00 - [12370]
 

Edited by: Mia Aires on 27/06/2011 22:09:48

THIS!

One of the best parts:

Quote:
A trick of psychology
The NeX store prices seem to be designed to take advantage of an interesting trick of buyer psychology: the price anchor. In the book Predictably Irrational, author Dan Ariely showed experimentally that we tend to adopt the first price we see for a given type of item as an anchor value. With a default value set, anything lower suddenly seems like a good deal. This is the same psychology that powers sales of games on Steam and even contributed to Minecraft's early success -- even if an indie game doesn't sell well at $20, pricing it at $20 and then having a 50% off sale will net more sales than pricing it at $10 from the outset. Having been introduced to the monocle at a price point of 12,000 Aurum, more people will probably buy it in a 50% sale for 6,000 than would have bought it if it came out for 6,000 initially. It's actually an incredibly good idea from a business perspective, especially as the items can be bought during a sale and then traded on the open market for ISK. This could have worked extremely well for CCP, but unfortunately the company tried to apply that premium pricing strategy to every single item in the store. Perhaps CCP was hoping that ornate and pretty clothing could be sold at even higher rates if people accepted $20-$40 for basic clothing. Whatever the reason for the massive prices on basic clothing, those price anchors don't appear to have stuck. This may be because we already have a basis for comparison in real-world clothing and would automatically expect a virtual version to cost less than those existing price anchors. As the most expensive item, the monocle that may have been OK on its own has become a symbol of the ridiculous prices, and that controversy itself has fueled some sales of the item.






Miilla
Minmatar
Hulkageddon Orphanage
Posted - 2011.06.27 22:10:00 - [12371]
 

Edited by: Miilla on 27/06/2011 22:11:06
Originally by: Govinda Sertan
Edited by: Govinda Sertan on 27/06/2011 22:10:04
MT is only one of the main issue.
The second one is the fact they dont care about their game anymore.

CCP is actually focus on 2 things :

1. WoD and DUST developpement.
2. Milking Eve gamers till they are dry, because the above point is requesting more money.

So yes. Eve is basically a farm now. And we are the cows.

Consider that all the money that gamers are putting in Eve since 2 years, is only used for developping other games and implementing AUR-based economy.

That's the reason i am mad. The game actually needs lots of attention due to tons of bugs, lag, and lacks of upgrades. And it wont get it any time soon, considering CCP dont care anymore.




Think of the CSM as a baby passifier to keep the customers entertained with the illusion of them being important, as their purpose is to fund CCP's WoW, called WoD.

That's how CCP sees them, that is how I see them. It is called REALITY.

Eve is that child in the family that will always get 2nd attention to their prize baby, WoD. Eve is reaching its lifespan and they are going to jump to WoD and then stick Eve on life support, but one can argue Eve is on life support already. It is obvious, non commitment to features, just enough to get the funding in place (Incarna is a Trojan Horse for that) then once that is in, that it is purpose. Don't expect much more features outside of that track for Eve in future.

Think of Incarna as a TROLLEY DASH around the mall in a competition to get the highest revenue. It's called a BOOST. You go for the BIG ONE, thieves use it in stores, called a BOOSTER BAG, and hit the store HARD, not one or 2 items in the pockets, a HUGE BLOODY METAL TINFOIL BAG and BOOST IT, one massive HIT.

Eve is not CCP's premium product, World of Darkness will be their premium product in their portfolio. Eve is simply a financial tool to get there. Incarna the vehicle for a revenue BOOST. Eve is eight years old, that is ancient, competitors are comming out, newer. Eve will get more expensive to play, by stealth. Eve is a test bed for Carbon and MT for their premium products in the pipeline.

The reason for all this rage now, is because customers (players) are only NOW starting to REALISE THIS. Some have been saying this for years, they where bashed. Well they were right.



Kewso
Posted - 2011.06.27 22:11:00 - [12372]
 

Please visit your user settings to re-enable images.

We should all chip in and buy CCP some $1000 pants


Twisted Evil

Zero GodOfDestruction
Posted - 2011.06.27 22:11:00 - [12373]
 

Originally by: Govinda Sertan
MT is only one of the main issue.
The second one is the fact they dont care about their game anymore.

CCP is actually focus on 2 things :

1. WoD and DUST developpement.
2. Milking Eve gamers till their are dry, because the above point is requesting more money.

So yes. Eve is basically a farm now. And we are the cow.

Consider that all the money that gamers are puting in Eve since 2 years, is only used for developping other games and implementing AUR-based economy.

That's the reason i am mad. The game actually needs lots of attention due to tons of bugs, lag, and lacks of upgrades. And it wont get it any time soon, considering CCP dont care anymore.


I entirely agree, and its so sad that CCP is willing to milk eve to its death, just to pay for a game that will probably flop without eve to make it great.

Vaerah Vahrokha
Minmatar
Vahrokh Consulting
Posted - 2011.06.27 22:12:00 - [12374]
 

Edited by: Vaerah Vahrokha on 27/06/2011 22:15:18
Originally by: Miilla



Won't take many people to leave Eve to cause CCP some serious financial pain, perhaps say they lose 20,000 actual players (and thair MANY alt accounts), that is most likely one third of their customer base GONE.



If you spent less time copy pasting the same 3 posts and more reading the Market Discussion forum (and GD) you'd have found the leaked financial statements and would know that they are already in financial pain.

chainedtofate
Caldari
Creative Cookie Procuring
Rote Kapelle
Posted - 2011.06.27 22:14:00 - [12375]
 

Originally by: Kewso
Please visit your user settings to re-enable images.

We should all chip in and buy CCP some $1000 pants


Twisted Evil


let them ware 1000 dollar pants. viva la revolution.

Asmodeus Et'Mort
Amarr
Imperial Academy
Posted - 2011.06.27 22:14:00 - [12376]
 

Originally by: Zero GodOfDestruction
Originally by: Asmodeus Et'Mort
Originally by: Zero GodOfDestruction
Originally by: DragonGrace
Right, i have read through a lot of this stuff....

now ok, i have just not 10 minutes ago got round to this leaked email stuff. and yes, i am shocked. but the only reason i am is because i see the problem....The Plex - Aurum Ratio is a tad off.

and finally from me....INCARNA DOES NOT SUCK!!! from a technical point of view its quite an acheivement, not just for an MMO, for a computer game full stop. TIP OF THE HAT TO CCP FOR A GREAT JOB! yeh ok, some people have had problems.

but for people who are going on about "too much systems resources being used" "doesnt run smoothly", i would like to know how that is CCP's fault?! GET A BETTER SET OF HARDWARE! ...

so stop moaning.

eve was first, so we get to use it first. its simple! now this just shows that you people are blind, and also is a shining example of how CCP can comunicate with its fans...you just choose whether you wanna read it ok?

now, to the devs.....as i said, incarna is an awesome feat...pat yourself on the back guys. granted, i had a problem not seeing my hair in the mirror on the first day lol but the patch sorted that lol :)i have been excited about this for a long time....i cant wait to see WiS when its fully loaded.

you got a life long fan here guys! Smile


DragonGrace


...Wow, so many things wrong with that. OK, so you say incarana is an awesome feat, and if by awesome feat you mean the awe inspiring ammount of gameplay bugs that were added by a patch that added room with a sigle person in it, then I agree. Now think for a second, the ammount of taxing this one room with a single entity and some clickable objects and a streaming screen is doing to TOP OF THE LINE gaming systems (especially those who have ATI, and some with certian pentium dual and quad processers), just imagine the carnage and the overtaxing of pc's once WIS is implemented, that is if this insanity doesnt kill eve before it reaches that point. Not only that, you seem to have missed the core issue in this thread, and that is the intent of CCP to implement non-vanity items in the MT store. Congretulations on being another brainwashed fail-boy ccp drone. I will leave it at that.


QFT


You apparently misunderstand what is considered "trolling". Mabye I took it a little far with that "congratulations" line, but the rest of that is my opinon, and Its my right, as an eve player with remaining gametime left, to voice my opinions. That is all.


Hey Zero, I was agreeing with ya Rolling Eyes

Miilla
Minmatar
Hulkageddon Orphanage
Posted - 2011.06.27 22:14:00 - [12377]
 

Originally by: Vaerah Vahrokha
Originally by: Miilla



Won't take many people to leave Eve to cause CCP some serious financial pain, perhaps say they lose 20,000 actual players (and thair MANY alt accounts), that is most likely one third of their customer base GONE.



If you spent less time copy pasting the same 3 posts and more reading the Market Discussion forum you'd have found the leaked financial statements and would know that they are already in financial pain.


Yes, and this can add to that substantially , like a straw on a camels back, and it wont take much of a straw to do that with cancellations. Which is my point.


Vandrion
Gallente
The Collective
B O R G
Posted - 2011.06.27 22:16:00 - [12378]
 

Originally by: Zero GodOfDestruction
Originally by: Govinda Sertan
MT is only one of the main issue.
The second one is the fact they dont care about their game anymore.

CCP is actually focus on 2 things :

1. WoD and DUST developpement.
2. Milking Eve gamers till their are dry, because the above point is requesting more money.

So yes. Eve is basically a farm now. And we are the cow.

Consider that all the money that gamers are puting in Eve since 2 years, is only used for developping other games and implementing AUR-based economy.

That's the reason i am mad. The game actually needs lots of attention due to tons of bugs, lag, and lacks of upgrades. And it wont get it any time soon, considering CCP dont care anymore.


I entirely agree, and its so sad that CCP is willing to milk eve to its death, just to pay for a game that will probably flop without eve to make it great.


When Hilmar milks Eve enough he gets to transition CCP into a new business model:

Please visit your user settings to re-enable images.

chainedtofate
Caldari
Creative Cookie Procuring
Rote Kapelle
Posted - 2011.06.27 22:16:00 - [12379]
 

Edited by: chainedtofate on 27/06/2011 22:18:44
Edited by: chainedtofate on 27/06/2011 22:18:01
Edited by: chainedtofate on 27/06/2011 22:16:11
its the end of the world as we know it and
http://images.t-nation.com/forum_images/4/d/4db77_ORIG-look_at_all_the_****s_i_give.jpg

Righteous Deeds
Posted - 2011.06.27 22:18:00 - [12380]
 

The OP was so in earnest ....3 days ago. No real engagement from CCP since?

Mia Aires
Posted - 2011.06.27 22:19:00 - [12381]
 

Originally by: Zero GodOfDestruction
Originally by: Govinda Sertan
MT is only one of the main issue.
The second one is the fact they dont care about their game anymore.

CCP is actually focus on 2 things :

1. WoD and DUST developpement.
2. Milking Eve gamers till their are dry, because the above point is requesting more money.

So yes. Eve is basically a farm now. And we are the cow.

Consider that all the money that gamers are puting in Eve since 2 years, is only used for developping other games and implementing AUR-based economy.

That's the reason i am mad. The game actually needs lots of attention due to tons of bugs, lag, and lacks of upgrades. And it wont get it any time soon, considering CCP dont care anymore.


I entirely agree, and its so sad that CCP is willing to milk eve to its death, just to pay for a game that will probably flop without eve to make it great.


Yepp,
Unfortunately, out there are too many simple-minded players they don't have the brain to realize what is happening to this game - this makes me sad.

On the other side, maybe I should launch another MMO game also. There seems extreme demand to be milked!

Mia out

chainedtofate
Caldari
Creative Cookie Procuring
Rote Kapelle
Posted - 2011.06.27 22:20:00 - [12382]
 

Originally by: Righteous Deeds
The OP was so in earnest ....3 days ago. No real engagement from CCP since?

yes there was there were 1000 dollar pants for all the rich ones

Zero GodOfDestruction
Posted - 2011.06.27 22:20:00 - [12383]
 

Originally by: Asmodeus Et'Mort


Hey Zero, I was agreeing with ya Rolling Eyes


Oh well, it wouldn't be the first time I misintrepted an acronym. My badEmbarassed

Cmdr Zander
Posted - 2011.06.27 22:22:00 - [12384]
 

I am waiting for my subscription to expire... damn why i subscribed 1 day before incarna was out !!!!

Miilla
Minmatar
Hulkageddon Orphanage
Posted - 2011.06.27 22:23:00 - [12385]
 

Edited by: Miilla on 27/06/2011 22:27:16




$11M in cash is going away October 28th with their required $11.8M maturity payment on their loans.

No cash LIQUIDITY. Bankers call the show.


Good thing CCP has a BANKER (Ex citibank) on the board no? LOL Coincidence?

Vandrion
Gallente
The Collective
B O R G
Posted - 2011.06.27 22:24:00 - [12386]
 

The we love MT and AUR gang is at it again..........

Cheerleaders in Action

Vaerah Vahrokha
Minmatar
Vahrokh Consulting
Posted - 2011.06.27 22:27:00 - [12387]
 

Originally by: Miilla

Yes, and this can add to that substantially , like a straw on a camels back, and it wont take much of a straw to do that with cancellations. Which is my point.




Well, at least we can know that:

"We live in interesting times"

and that the banks will be

"seeing _very predictable feedback_ on what we are doing"

Miilla
Minmatar
Hulkageddon Orphanage
Posted - 2011.06.27 22:29:00 - [12388]
 

Edited by: Miilla on 27/06/2011 22:31:05

Originally by: Vaerah Vahrokha
Originally by: Miilla

Yes, and this can add to that substantially , like a straw on a camels back, and it wont take much of a straw to do that with cancellations. Which is my point.




Well, at least we can know that:

"We live in interesting times"

and that the banks will be

"seeing _very predictable feedback_ on what we are doing"


$11M in cash is going away October 28th with their required $11.8M maturity payment on their loans.

No cash liquidity, that means they have to MONOTISE THEIR ASSETS, OR SELL THEM.

CCP have NO CHOICE in the matter to survive or get bought up.


You will get Microtransactions everywhere CCP can get em to get that revenue for the creditors. NO other option is on the table now.

CCP really are sweating and in panic mode. Loans to mature and repay, they are living on the edge with zero buffer worth talking about. CCP as a buffer tank does NOT EXIST.

They are spending as much as they bring in.


chainedtofate
Caldari
Creative Cookie Procuring
Rote Kapelle
Posted - 2011.06.27 22:29:00 - [12389]
 

Originally by: Vandrion
The we love MT and AUR gang is at it again..........

Cheerleaders in Action


they can't the threadranock let the ccp alts think they are fooling some of the silly ones

Benri Konpaku
Posted - 2011.06.27 22:29:00 - [12390]
 

All welcome our new Sony overlords.


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