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Constantinus Maximus
Paxian Expeditionary Force
Posted - 2011.06.27 10:05:00 - [11821]
 

Edited by: Constantinus Maximus on 27/06/2011 10:08:41
Originally by: Teako
Originally by: DERT2
Originally by: Another MMO Forum-Developer

First of all we'd like to welcome the influx of new players to .... Online. The sheer number of new players caught us by surprise, and we're working around the clock to accommodate each and every one of you.

However the number of players connected to our server has highlighted a previously unknown issue in the relay server to which every player is connected. The server team is working on fixing the issue as we speak, but for the time being a temporary limit on the user count has been set up. Once the current issue has been fixed we expect to be able to run without a user count limitation as this is not a hardware but a previously unknown software problem. (In fact most of the servers are running at 1-5% capacity except for the relay)

We ask that you bear with us during the coming days until we can resolve this issue.




Originally by: Another MMO Forum-Player


In any event, coming from EvE it is nice to see Devs and GMs in the Help and general channels and being extra responsive to player base. I also like the mechanics of the game so far and the familiarity of it coming from that other MMO.

Good job. Keep on doing a good job and players will reward you with years of subscription fees!




Congrats CCP. You win the year of benevolent MMO games Company prize. Because of , You give your players to another MMO.





CCP had the same problem with the proxy to the auth server. Takes some tweaking, gotta strip out all the extra crap.

They also have proxies to load-balanced proxies, hardware out front.

Can probably get some cheap hardware from em in a few weeks.

Originally by: Kristina Vanszar
This is officially a MOMthread

guys you can't compare EVe to other games, most users have but an insane amount of effort to get where they are now.
especially the old guys (5 - 7 years characters) which are holding this community together, with organizing events, providing awesome services.

There is no need everyone quitting, it's enough to have the 5 % main MANDATORY users quit, and the failscascade is perfect.

o7


It was fail-cascade from the first moment, all inevitable soon as Hilmar didn't post where Penn posted.

They thought it wasn't so bad and could just send out fodder.

Ammi84
Posted - 2011.06.27 10:05:00 - [11822]
 

What the **** is wrong with CCP, pay to win? LoL. I will certainly unsubscribe!

Shintai
Gallente
Arx Io Orbital Factories
Arx Io
Posted - 2011.06.27 10:06:00 - [11823]
 

I wonder if mangement at CCP wants to learn. Or they still think we are all stupid kids. And any comminuty issue should just be laughed away and joked about. Because those players sure dont know whats good for them, right?

Azelor Delaria
Caldari
We Are So Troubled Everyone Runs Screaming
Posted - 2011.06.27 10:07:00 - [11824]
 

Originally by: Luckytania
Originally by: Azelor Delaria
Here

Just wrote this up on the forums of a technology e-mag I read daily. :)

I noticed two major problems there.
1) I "play to win". However, the "pay to win" approach is unacceptable.


I have a lot of typos in it. I should have put it into Microsoft Word before like I normally do with something like this. I'll fix it. :)

Quote:
2) You reference RMT more than once. RMT is irrelevant to The Protest.


Incorrect. RMT actually has a lot to do with it. It's the base of what is going on. They lied to us about it, and they refuse to give a solid answer as to what they will provide with this new "service". Yes, we're ****ed they're lying to us, but it all boils down to RMT.

Miilla
Minmatar
Hulkageddon Orphanage
Posted - 2011.06.27 10:07:00 - [11825]
 



CCP has done all this "research" with "outside professionals" to get metrics on the Microtransactions in Eve succeeding.

They are "staying the course" and we are "very predictable".

So, they shouldn't have to bother with us at all and just deploy the system and items full speed ahead.

I think we hit that "metric" that puts WoD at risk. <-- THIS


Constantinus Maximus
Paxian Expeditionary Force
Posted - 2011.06.27 10:10:00 - [11826]
 

Originally by: Azelor Delaria

Incorrect. RMT actually has a lot to do with it. It's the base of what is going on. They lied to us about it, and they refuse to give a solid answer as to what they will provide with this new "service". Yes, we're ****ed they're lying to us, but it all boils down to RMT.


Yup MT = RMT.

Jimmy Duce
Chaotic Tranquility
Posted - 2011.06.27 10:10:00 - [11827]
 

Originally by: Miilla


CCP has done all this "research" with "outside professionals" to get metrics on the Microtransactions in Eve succeeding.

They are "staying the course" and we are "very predictable".

So, they shouldn't have to bother with us at all and just deploy the system and items full speed ahead.

I think we hit that "metric" that puts WoD at risk. <-- THIS






It sucks... Eve was the best game ever, and a simple straight and... well correct answer to the big yellow question would have avioded all of this...



Quote:

Are you moving beyond VANITY AUR items?






Greed, is so distructive...

Miilla
Minmatar
Hulkageddon Orphanage
Posted - 2011.06.27 10:10:00 - [11828]
 


Think of the CSM as a baby passifier to keep the customers entertained with the illusion of them being important, as their purpose is to fund CCP's WoW, called WoD.

That's how CCP sees them, that is how I see them. It is called REALITY.

Eve is that child in the family that will always get 2nd attention to their prize baby, WoD. Eve is reaching its lifespan and they are going to jump to WoD and then stick Eve on life support, but one can argue Eve is on life support already. It is obvious, non commitment to features, just enough to get the funding in place (Incarna is a Trojan Horse for that) then once that is in, that it is purpose. Don't expect much more features outside of that track for Eve in future.

Think of Incarna as a TROLLEY DASH around the mall in a competition to get the highest revenue. It's called a BOOST. You go for the BIG ONE, thieves use it in stores, called a BOOSTER BAG, and hit the store HARD, not one or 2 items in the pockets, a HUGE BLOODY METAL TINFOIL BAG and BOOST IT, one massive HIT.

Eve is not CCP's premium product, World of Darkness will be their premium product in their portfolio. Eve is simply a financial tool to get there. Incarna the vehicle for a revenue BOOST. Eve is eight years old, taht is ancient, competitors are comming out, newer. Eve will get more expensive to play, by stealth. Eve is a test bed for Carbon and MT for their premium products in the pipeline.

The reason for all this rage now, is because customers (players) are only NOW starting to REALISE THIS. Some have been saying this for years, they where bashed. Well they were right.


Luckytania
Gallente
Bullets of Justice
Posted - 2011.06.27 10:13:00 - [11829]
 

Originally by: Azelor Delaria
Originally by: Luckytania
Originally by: Azelor Delaria
Here

Just wrote this up on the forums of a technology e-mag I read daily. :)

I noticed two major problems there.
1) I "play to win". However, the "pay to win" approach is unacceptable.


I have a lot of typos in it. I should have put it into Microsoft Word before like I normally do with something like this. I'll fix it. :)

Quote:
2) You reference RMT more than once. RMT is irrelevant to The Protest.


Incorrect. RMT actually has a lot to do with it. It's the base of what is going on. They lied to us about it, and they refuse to give a solid answer as to what they will provide with this new "service". Yes, we're ****ed they're lying to us, but it all boils down to RMT.

Please help me out with a more detailed explanation of how RMT, or using botting to create immense amounts of ISK with a goal of transforming that ISK into RL money, is directly tied to the 'pay to win' issue.

(Sincere request, not a jab. I just can't see it yet.)

Tegrah
Posted - 2011.06.27 10:15:00 - [11830]
 

Originally by: Cap Tyrian
Edited by: Cap Tyrian on 27/06/2011 09:29:26

The community is a more mature one, thus not forced to spend time in front of a video game. Battlefield and F2P players are often school kids who socialise over a video game, quitting is hardly an option. School kids are often "p-ckoc*s" to show off they are better then the poor kids.




New P seem to have forgotten this, otherwise they wouldn't be releasing Dev blogs full of political double speak and weasel words most of us can see straight through.

Solomunio Kzenig
Amarr
Indicium Technologies
Hephaestus Forge Alliance
Posted - 2011.06.27 10:17:00 - [11831]
 

Originally by: Miilla

Think of the CSM as a baby passifier to keep the customers entertained with the illusion of them being important, as their purpose is to fund CCP's WoW, called WoD.

That's how CCP sees them, that is how I see them. It is called REALITY.

Eve is that child in the family that will always get 2nd attention to their prize baby, WoD. Eve is reaching its lifespan and they are going to jump to WoD and then stick Eve on life support, but one can argue Eve is on life support already. It is obvious, non commitment to features, just enough to get the funding in place (Incarna is a Trojan Horse for that) then once that is in, that it is purpose. Don't expect much more features outside of that track for Eve in future.

Think of Incarna as a TROLLEY DASH around the mall in a competition to get the highest revenue. It's called a BOOST. You go for the BIG ONE, thieves use it in stores, called a BOOSTER BAG, and hit the store HARD, not one or 2 items in the pockets, a HUGE BLOODY METAL TINFOIL BAG and BOOST IT, one massive HIT.

Eve is not CCP's premium product, World of Darkness will be their premium product in their portfolio. Eve is simply a financial tool to get there. Incarna the vehicle for a revenue BOOST. Eve is eight years old, taht is ancient, competitors are comming out, newer. Eve will get more expensive to play, by stealth. Eve is a test bed for Carbon and MT for their premium products in the pipeline.

The reason for all this rage now, is because customers (players) are only NOW starting to REALISE THIS. Some have been saying this for years, they where bashed. Well they were right.




Jesus this is painful but I think I actually agree with this Surprised.

Shintai
Gallente
Arx Io Orbital Factories
Arx Io
Posted - 2011.06.27 10:17:00 - [11832]
 

Edited by: Shintai on 27/06/2011 10:17:30
Now I know why the blogs take so long time to write...

Please visit your user settings to re-enable images.

Wakeland
Posted - 2011.06.27 10:20:00 - [11833]
 

It's a sad state this has come to. And to think, CCP essentially had a monopoly on the Space/Sc-Fi MMO genre. Instead of keeping that monopoly and running with it and making it the best game they could, the best space game out there, they opted for Space-Sims and Vampire-WoW. Very sad.

Marcus Vorenius
Caldari
Task Force 42
Posted - 2011.06.27 10:22:00 - [11834]
 

Originally by: Solomunio Kzenig
Originally by: Miilla

Think of the CSM as a baby passifier to keep the customers entertained with the illusion of them being important, as their purpose is to fund CCP's WoW, called WoD.

That's how CCP sees them, that is how I see them. It is called REALITY.

Eve is that child in the family that will always get 2nd attention to their prize baby, WoD. Eve is reaching its lifespan and they are going to jump to WoD and then stick Eve on life support, but one can argue Eve is on life support already. It is obvious, non commitment to features, just enough to get the funding in place (Incarna is a Trojan Horse for that) then once that is in, that it is purpose. Don't expect much more features outside of that track for Eve in future.

Think of Incarna as a TROLLEY DASH around the mall in a competition to get the highest revenue. It's called a BOOST. You go for the BIG ONE, thieves use it in stores, called a BOOSTER BAG, and hit the store HARD, not one or 2 items in the pockets, a HUGE BLOODY METAL TINFOIL BAG and BOOST IT, one massive HIT.

Eve is not CCP's premium product, World of Darkness will be their premium product in their portfolio. Eve is simply a financial tool to get there. Incarna the vehicle for a revenue BOOST. Eve is eight years old, taht is ancient, competitors are comming out, newer. Eve will get more expensive to play, by stealth. Eve is a test bed for Carbon and MT for their premium products in the pipeline.

The reason for all this rage now, is because customers (players) are only NOW starting to REALISE THIS. Some have been saying this for years, they where bashed. Well they were right.




Jesus this is painful but I think I actually agree with this Surprised.


it's difficult to disagree

welcome back Miilla - can't believe I'm saying this - but we actually missed you. The ONE question keeps getting drowned by players with concerns

Obsidian Cobra
Posted - 2011.06.27 10:23:00 - [11835]
 

Originally by: Miilla

Think of the CSM as a baby passifier to keep the customers entertained with the illusion of them being important, as their purpose is to fund CCP's WoW, called WoD.

That's how CCP sees them, that is how I see them. It is called REALITY.

Eve is that child in the family that will always get 2nd attention to their prize baby, WoD. Eve is reaching its lifespan and they are going to jump to WoD and then stick Eve on life support, but one can argue Eve is on life support already. It is obvious, non commitment to features, just enough to get the funding in place (Incarna is a Trojan Horse for that) then once that is in, that it is purpose. Don't expect much more features outside of that track for Eve in future.

Think of Incarna as a TROLLEY DASH around the mall in a competition to get the highest revenue. It's called a BOOST. You go for the BIG ONE, thieves use it in stores, called a BOOSTER BAG, and hit the store HARD, not one or 2 items in the pockets, a HUGE BLOODY METAL TINFOIL BAG and BOOST IT, one massive HIT.

Eve is not CCP's premium product, World of Darkness will be their premium product in their portfolio. Eve is simply a financial tool to get there. Incarna the vehicle for a revenue BOOST. Eve is eight years old, taht is ancient, competitors are comming out, newer. Eve will get more expensive to play, by stealth. Eve is a test bed for Carbon and MT for their premium products in the pipeline.

The reason for all this rage now, is because customers (players) are only NOW starting to REALISE THIS. Some have been saying this for years, they where bashed. Well they were right.




Sadly this is probably kinda close to the truth. But the bad thing is that WoD will probably not make it.. CCP is now known for Theampark fun.. and I dont think they will do WoD justice.. In the RPG format WoD is very close to what EvE is today.. its politics and Intrigue.. But if the make it as a dam Theampark people will not play...

Constantinus Maximus
Paxian Expeditionary Force
Posted - 2011.06.27 10:27:00 - [11836]
 

Originally by: Miilla
stuff


Hey check your eve-gate mail, wanna say something but don't wanna say it here.

Jaik7
Posted - 2011.06.27 10:30:00 - [11837]
 

been posting on the perpetuum forums. they've taken a lot of notice of all the refugees. on the whole, the residents have been very friendly and helpful. moreover, i can see the names of devs in various chat windows, including the one made by/for eve refugees. they can show up in game and respond personally to the people who have been playing their game for less than a day, while the ccp guys can't be bothered to respond to riots, and The Thread, and massive cancelations

ni u
Posted - 2011.06.27 10:30:00 - [11838]
 

Originally by: Miilla

Think of the CSM as a baby passifier to keep the customers entertained with the illusion of them being important, as their purpose is to fund CCP's WoW, called WoD.

That's how CCP sees them, that is how I see them. It is called REALITY.

Eve is that child in the family that will always get 2nd attention to their prize baby, WoD. Eve is reaching its lifespan and they are going to jump to WoD and then stick Eve on life support, but one can argue Eve is on life support already. It is obvious, non commitment to features, just enough to get the funding in place (Incarna is a Trojan Horse for that) then once that is in, that it is purpose. Don't expect much more features outside of that track for Eve in future.

Think of Incarna as a TROLLEY DASH around the mall in a competition to get the highest revenue. It's called a BOOST. You go for the BIG ONE, thieves use it in stores, called a BOOSTER BAG, and hit the store HARD, not one or 2 items in the pockets, a HUGE BLOODY METAL TINFOIL BAG and BOOST IT, one massive HIT.

Eve is not CCP's premium product, World of Darkness will be their premium product in their portfolio. Eve is simply a financial tool to get there. Incarna the vehicle for a revenue BOOST. Eve is eight years old, taht is ancient, competitors are comming out, newer. Eve will get more expensive to play, by stealth. Eve is a test bed for Carbon and MT for their premium products in the pipeline.

The reason for all this rage now, is because customers (players) are only NOW starting to REALISE THIS. Some have been saying this for years, they where bashed. Well they were right.




Embarassed

Rakshasa Taisab
Caldari
Sane Industries Inc.
Posted - 2011.06.27 10:30:00 - [11839]
 

GOOSE
EGG

| |
| | (CCP MT)
| |
\/

GOOSE CARCASS


Marcus Vorenius
Caldari
Task Force 42
Posted - 2011.06.27 10:33:00 - [11840]
 

Originally by: Constantinus Maximus
Originally by: Miilla
stuff


Hey check your eve-gate mail, wanna say something but don't wanna say it here.



Totally forgot about EVE Gate (69 unread mails - sorry chaps)

Why don't they send ban warnings to EVE Mail?

"Hi, Marcus Vorenius

You have received a notice regarding the post below which appeared in our forum on 22/06/2011 18:52:32. Trolling is not permitted on the forum - we encourage threads that discuss issues in a constructive and spirited atmosphere. Please avoid insulting posts, or posts designed to anger other players. Continuing to disregard the guidelines may result in the suspension or cancellation of your posting privileges.

We encourage you to review the Forum Rules found at: http://wiki.eveonline.com/w/index.php?title=Forum_Rules . Please feel free to contact us if you have questions about the guidelines or this notice.

The EVE Forum Moderator Team

http://www.eveonline.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=1534389

<out of character post content goes here>

Constantinus Maximus
Paxian Expeditionary Force
Posted - 2011.06.27 10:36:00 - [11841]
 

Edited by: Constantinus Maximus on 27/06/2011 10:37:27
Originally by: Marcus Vorenius
re:trolling


A little odd, you don't seem to be too full-on.

For now forums are pretty much on "leave them alone" mode until they ban us all to keep complaints down.

Unless CSM convinces them they need every last vocal player they can find.

RougeOperator
Posted - 2011.06.27 10:37:00 - [11842]
 

Originally by: Marcus Vorenius
Originally by: Constantinus Maximus
Originally by: Miilla
stuff


Hey check your eve-gate mail, wanna say something but don't wanna say it here.



Totally forgot about EVE Gate (69 unread mails - sorry chaps)

Why don't they send ban warnings to EVE Mail?

"Hi, Marcus Vorenius

You have received a notice regarding the post below which appeared in our forum on 22/06/2011 18:52:32. Trolling is not permitted on the forum - we encourage threads that discuss issues in a constructive and spirited atmosphere. Please avoid insulting posts, or posts designed to anger other players. Continuing to disregard the guidelines may result in the suspension or cancellation of your posting privileges.

We encourage you to review the Forum Rules found at: http://wiki.eveonline.com/w/index.php?title=Forum_Rules . Please feel free to contact us if you have questions about the guidelines or this notice.

The EVE Forum Moderator Team

http://www.eveonline.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=1534389

<out of character post content goes here>


Eve gate another thing no one wanted that they forced on us.


Ra Vhim
Black Bag Ops
Posted - 2011.06.27 10:39:00 - [11843]
 

I actually like old WoD and had planned to try the MMO when it was released. It is safe to say that WoD themepark will now never be installed on my computer, I will also avoid Dust like the plague.

I still don't know how to deal with this MT crap we have going in Eve. Incarna is the symbol for MT and it ****es me off that I might be forced to look at that symbol instead of the hangar. I can't really see what CCP can do (that people trust) that will make a lot of players not leave the game or cancel some of their subs. It is even harder to get disappointed people not saying what they think about CCP to others. The situation is quite sad even if it is earned.

Constantinus Maximus
Paxian Expeditionary Force
Posted - 2011.06.27 10:39:00 - [11844]
 

Originally by: RougeOperator
Eve gate another thing no one wanted that they forced on us.


Shockingly poorly implemented.

Surprised they actually managed to get it to a deployable state.

That web team is one which got in by "talking the talk" as spoken about in the employee reviews.
So easy to talk big about Web2.0 stuff, managers eat it up.

Miilla
Minmatar
Hulkageddon Orphanage
Posted - 2011.06.27 10:41:00 - [11845]
 

Edited by: Miilla on 27/06/2011 10:41:26

Rens system is already feeling different, not the same "yarr pirate" feel to it, just "i love my monocle" feel which really isn't the same eve.

Market prices are tanking as people dump their assets en masses, PLEX prices have tanked as they no longer represent the symbol they are, "interest in the game".

The "local"'s in eve will get worse over time as more exodous happens. You can really see the effect of it taking hold already in the spirit of the game.

Constantinus Maximus
Paxian Expeditionary Force
Posted - 2011.06.27 10:44:00 - [11846]
 

Edited by: Constantinus Maximus on 27/06/2011 10:45:59
Edited by: Constantinus Maximus on 27/06/2011 10:44:16
Originally by: Miilla

Market prices are tanking as people dump their assets en masses



Haven't worked out which way to go with that.

If I take my orders off the market then it just opens it up for the new userbase to make profit on easy items.

Still got enough PI stuff to tank the market for 7 years.

edit: miilla check your edit: evemail from me

Miilla
Minmatar
Hulkageddon Orphanage
Posted - 2011.06.27 10:45:00 - [11847]
 

Originally by: Constantinus Maximus
Originally by: Miilla

Market prices are tanking as people dump their assets en masses



Haven't worked out which way to go with that.

If I take my orders off the market then it just opens it up for the new userbase to make profit on easy items.

Still got enough PI stuff to tank the market for 7 years.




Im dumping my 42 plexs, flipping between buy and sell as I go to make up profits, once the price falls enough, I will reload up again 20b worth then leave them in the account as it gets put into croygenic freeze :)

Marcus Vorenius
Caldari
Task Force 42
Posted - 2011.06.27 10:47:00 - [11848]
 

Originally by: Constantinus Maximus
Edited by: Constantinus Maximus on 27/06/2011 10:37:27
Originally by: Marcus Vorenius
re:trolling


A little odd, you don't seem to be too full-on.

For now forums are pretty much on "leave them alone" mode until they ban us all to keep complaints down.

Unless CSM convinces them they need every last vocal player they can find.



I deserved that one - it was a really rude post on page 1 of the first Zulu blog. CCP Zulu: I know you guys are not reading this, but please accept my sincerest apology. To quote your latest blog <couldn't be assed to get the link> the emotions are running high on our end as well. It was uncalled for and I'm deeply embarrased about the posting. Have a nice Monday ... ohh btw Incarnage sucks balls

Miilla
Minmatar
Hulkageddon Orphanage
Posted - 2011.06.27 10:50:00 - [11849]
 

Edited by: Miilla on 27/06/2011 10:57:55


I stuck my "artistic" work onto eve files, they got flagged as *popular* lol

Here are some of em :)

http://dl.eve-files.com/media/1106/CCPRoyalsLaugh.jpg
http://dl.eve-files.com/media/1106/StarWarsHelloKittyDarthVaderVanityItemsAlterPlan.jpg
http://dl.eve-files.com/media/1106/CCPMMOofTheYearAward.jpg
http://dl.eve-files.com/media/1106/EveFarmville.jpg
http://dl.eve-files.com/media/1106/IncarnaWarping.jpg

I had more, I will upload more creativity later lol


Shintai
Gallente
Arx Io Orbital Factories
Arx Io
Posted - 2011.06.27 10:50:00 - [11850]
 

Deafening silence from CCP.


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