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Ferrus Grolem
Posted - 2011.06.27 03:21:00 - [11581]
 

Originally by: Harelip Jenkins
The problem I see with P2W items is the slippery slope.

Lets say that the new incoming crowd of players loves the idea of being able to purchase wtfpwn guns from the NEX. They buy said guns and what's left of the player base happily ganks said noob and loots the new $hiney wtfpwn guns.

The first thing that is going to happen is that newb is going to raise holy hell that he paid cash for those guns and it isn't fair that he lost them so quickly and will refuse to buy more because its a waste of money.

Do you think CCP will protect the old dinosaur player that is damaging its new revenue stream or will rush in to protect the bottom line?

What actions do they have available to protect that revenue stream from drying up?


This is one of the major /facepalms about the whole thing as well. P2W is paying for instant gratification, EVE is not an instant gratification game, and knowledge is power, because someone who knows what they are doing can solo a battleship in a rifter if the battleship pilot doesn't know the game mechanics.

Although after watching that Hilmar interview on youtube, the guy is completely crackers.

Hugues H
Posted - 2011.06.27 03:21:00 - [11582]
 

I, too, cancelled my subscription. It was due on 17 of July. I think the only thing that can save us is if the big investors begin to review their set of values. Wasted development resource... what a shame.
What a bunch of greedy ****

Bloodpetal
Mimidae Risk Solutions
Posted - 2011.06.27 03:22:00 - [11583]
 

Originally by: Harelip Jenkins
:tinfoil hat:

Honestly if think the new non-vanity items will be "contraband".

I think that was the purpose of the Quafe Zero coming out of left field... to test player reaction.

We were promised an update to contraband and i think were about to get it in the form of MT.


I think that this is what they are alluding to as well.

Which is pretty disgusting to me because it will make the player based drug manufacturing a real joy, won't it?



Adunh Slavy
Ammatar Trade Syndicate
Posted - 2011.06.27 03:23:00 - [11584]
 

Originally by: Harelip Jenkins
The problem I see with P2W items is the slippery slope.

Lets say that the new incoming crowd of players loves the idea of being able to purchase wtfpwn guns from the NEX. They buy said guns and what's left of the player base happily ganks said noob and loots the new $hiney wtfpwn guns.

The first thing that is going to happen is that newb is going to raise holy hell that he paid cash for those guns and it isn't fair that he lost them so quickly and will refuse to buy more because its a waste of money.

Do you think CCP will protect the old dinosaur player that is damaging its new revenue stream or will rush in to protect the bottom line?

What actions do they have available to protect that revenue stream from drying up?


They already did this with the vanity items. At first they were pod-destroyable, a few people started to point out how this will effect the entire marginal utility equation and usefulness of the store at all, and before you know it, poof - Non-destructible magic teleporation pants. No wonder they cost $1000. (Just wish I had had those when a certain young lady I had met forgot to mention that she was married, but enough about me...)

Adunh Slavy
Ammatar Trade Syndicate
Posted - 2011.06.27 03:25:00 - [11585]
 

Originally by: Jimmy Duce
Rokhs, and Maels, and Abaddons oh my. Notice no Gallente Lazor boats.... Buff Gallente



A rainbow Mael? Look what you have done CCP!

Mycheala Zanjoahir
Posted - 2011.06.27 03:26:00 - [11586]
 

After the $h!t storm that happened, CCP will still go to P2W. It will probably be effects like:

1) 2k Aurum for 30 days of +2% skill points.
2) 5k Aurum for 30 days of +5% shield regen.

Something that you can't see on the target ship or salvage from the loot. That way, they don't have to listen to to little Johnny 12 year old complain about loosing his l33t P2W gun to a suicide gank in Jita.

It will happen. If they say they won't, they are lying. Look at all the damn money that the web portal games are getting from MT. The shareholders want some of that cake too... CCP will have to give in to them and they are willing to lose some of the base to it.

Pricing models change. They will ram this one down on us.


Care Bear King
Posted - 2011.06.27 03:27:00 - [11587]
 

Originally by: Londo Cebb
Originally by: Care Bear King

Nah, I had the script left over from the carrier nerf thread. I think I posted stuff like this then under the name Honest Smedley to point out certain corps/alliances whining disproportionately in that thread.

As for whether I'm a CCP plant - not so much.


Why the jump from 50 to 331?

I'm really just curious.

When I decided to dust the script off again the thread was at 380ish. I personally wanted to see if there was a pattern or difference between who was posting at the start of the thread (the first 50) vs more recently (the last 50). The number of unique posters didn't decline between the two as much as I thought it would, which was surprising. I then did a full run through 380 because I felt that would be the most interesting list to most people.

Valari Nala Zena
Caldari
Perkone
Posted - 2011.06.27 03:29:00 - [11588]
 

General thread statistics.

Unique authors 3571
Total posts 11581

Top 50 posters in thread Posts (% of total)
Miilla 447 (3,9%)
_____


You post a lot.

Kaaeliaa
Amarr
Ministry of War
Posted - 2011.06.27 03:31:00 - [11589]
 

Aw man, I got to the party too late to get in that screenshot. I'm right behind the Rokh in the conga line now.

Londo Cebb
Official Market Discussions Troll
Posted - 2011.06.27 03:31:00 - [11590]
 

Originally by: Valari Nala Zena
General thread statistics.

Unique authors 3571
Total posts 11581

Top 50 posters in thread Posts (% of total)
Miilla 447 (3,9%)
_____


You post a lot.


Sweet I made that list too! Laughing

Goremageddon Box
Posted - 2011.06.27 03:32:00 - [11591]
 


Algathas
Minmatar
The Revenge of Auntie Freeze
Posted - 2011.06.27 03:32:00 - [11592]
 

Originally by: Harelip Jenkins
The problem I see with P2W items is the slippery slope.

Lets say that the new incoming crowd of players loves the idea of being able to purchase wtfpwn guns from the NEX. They buy said guns and what's left of the player base happily ganks said noob and loots the new $hiney wtfpwn guns.

The first thing that is going to happen is that newb is going to raise holy hell that he paid cash for those guns and it isn't fair that he lost them so quickly and will refuse to buy more because its a waste of money.

Do you think CCP will protect the old dinosaur player that is damaging its new revenue stream or will rush in to protect the bottom line?

What actions do they have available to protect that revenue stream from drying up?


This is already evident. The clothing items were supposed to be destroyed when you were podded. Now they aren't because people complained.

Benri Konpaku
Posted - 2011.06.27 03:32:00 - [11593]
 

So I hear certain CCP was going to be in GDC talking about PR and dinosaurs.

Bloodpetal
Mimidae Risk Solutions
Posted - 2011.06.27 03:33:00 - [11594]
 

Edited by: Bloodpetal on 27/06/2011 03:35:04
Edited by: Bloodpetal on 27/06/2011 03:33:53
Originally by: Londo Cebb
Originally by: Valari Nala Zena
General thread statistics.

Unique authors 3571
Total posts 11581

You post a lot.


Sweet I made that list too! Laughing


Totally in Top Posters.

I don't normally post this much though. Was exactly on 50.

3561 Posters is a significant number.

This issue wouldn't have been as big if they communicated from the start of the matter. They self-prophesized this reaction into existence.



LordElfa
Gallente
Golden Lyon Warriors
Posted - 2011.06.27 03:37:00 - [11595]
 

I had a Mael out there doing Rainbow lazers myself the other day.

Good timez.YARRRR!!

Kaaeliaa
Amarr
Ministry of War
Posted - 2011.06.27 03:37:00 - [11596]
 

Conga line in Jita is growing! Let's go people! Just "keep at distance" and AFK all night, but the show must go on.

Constantinus Maximus
Paxian Expeditionary Force
Posted - 2011.06.27 03:40:00 - [11597]
 

Edited by: Constantinus Maximus on 27/06/2011 03:41:16
Originally by: Ferrus Grolem
Originally by: Harelip Jenkins
The problem I see with P2W items is the slippery slope.

Lets say that the new incoming crowd of players loves the idea of being able to purchase wtfpwn guns from the NEX. They buy said guns and what's left of the player base happily ganks said noob and loots the new $hiney wtfpwn guns.

The first thing that is going to happen is that newb is going to raise holy hell that he paid cash for those guns and it isn't fair that he lost them so quickly and will refuse to buy more because its a waste of money.

Do you think CCP will protect the old dinosaur player that is damaging its new revenue stream or will rush in to protect the bottom line?

What actions do they have available to protect that revenue stream from drying up?


This is one of the major /facepalms about the whole thing as well. P2W is paying for instant gratification, EVE is not an instant gratification game, and knowledge is power, because someone who knows what they are doing can solo a battleship in a rifter if the battleship pilot doesn't know the game mechanics.

Although after watching that Hilmar interview on youtube, the guy is completely crackers.


Really strange isn't it. Especially when CCP say "we'd like people to be able to pay for that convienience".

Pay for convienience in a game where the sticky bit is the time investment.......

Switch to F2P/P2W with DUST recruitment of 12yos and it all perfect makes.

Misslepuncher
Maritime Interdiction
Sobriety Test Failures
Posted - 2011.06.27 03:43:00 - [11598]
 

Originally by: Goremageddon Box
Edited by: Goremageddon Box on 27/06/2011 03:33:46
http://www.eveonline.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=1540517

word cloud thanks to hojjo

Please visit your user settings to re-enable images.


I would love to see someone make actual sentences from this word cloud.

Constantinus Maximus
Paxian Expeditionary Force
Posted - 2011.06.27 03:44:00 - [11599]
 

Originally by: Misslepuncher
I would love to see someone make actual sentences from this word cloud.


"Think new people"

Goremageddon Box
Posted - 2011.06.27 03:45:00 - [11600]
 

Originally by: Misslepuncher
Originally by: Goremageddon Box
Edited by: Goremageddon Box on 27/06/2011 03:33:46
http://www.eveonline.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=1540517

word cloud thanks to hojjo

Please visit your user settings to re-enable images.


I would love to see someone make actual sentences from this word cloud.


you can read those sentences throughout this thread, this just shows you the most used words and the basic gist of it.

it isnt meant to convey a single though, its meant to convey the most used words that relay a message. look at it closely and you will see the bigger picture.

Goremageddon Box
Posted - 2011.06.27 03:49:00 - [11601]
 

basically ccp and high are relatively close together so they must be charlie sheening.

Zhula Guixgrixks
Increasing Success by Lowering Expectations
Posted - 2011.06.27 03:52:00 - [11602]
 

Originally by: Goremageddon Box
basically ccp and high are relatively close together so they must be charlie sheening.


"trust" and "CSM" are enslaved by big C's :-D


Suzie Buzie
Posted - 2011.06.27 03:52:00 - [11603]
 

Somehowe I got the feeling this song was written for CCP...

Iím tearing away
Pieces are falling I canít seem to make them stay
You run away
Faster and faster you canít seem to get away
Break
Hope thereís a reason
For questions unanswered I just donít see everything
Yes Iím inside you
Tell me how does it feel to feel like this
Just like I do
I donít care about anyone else but me
I donít care about anyone
Do I really want this
Sometimes I scare myself I just canít let it go
Can you believe it
Everything happens for reasons I just donít know
I donít care about anyone else but me
I donít care about anyone
I donít care about anyone else but me
I donít care about anyone or anything but me
God damn I love me

(Drowning Pool)

Misslepuncher
Maritime Interdiction
Sobriety Test Failures
Posted - 2011.06.27 03:52:00 - [11604]
 

Originally by: Constantinus Maximus


"Think new people"


Who me? No I just don't post on the forum that much. Besides that I'd would have preferred it if CCP either made it possible to get the vanity items through A LOT of in-game work (IE: a LP store Item [And getting rid of the NeX] or had LP convertible to Aur), had them available for purchase the in-game market for ONLY ISK(getting rid of the NeX and Aur BS all together), or just getting rid of the NeX and vanity items all together. But you know that's just me.

Gesarianet
Posted - 2011.06.27 03:53:00 - [11605]
 

6 accounts either let run out or not renewing (This is 6 actual accounts, not alts of the same account. A few I sold the toon and will let the acount run out.)

Its become apparent to me that CCP no longer cares or listens to its player base. Incarna is a waste of time and adds no value to a spaceship game and the Nobel Exchange is an insult. I'm tired of spending $90 a month if they are not going to fix their bugs or ass usefull content.

Not renewing
Krumis
Shanehassmall****

Leting Run Out
Vorgh Esh
Gesarianet
Krumet
Mr Klauss

Constantinus Maximus
Paxian Expeditionary Force
Posted - 2011.06.27 03:54:00 - [11606]
 

Originally by: Misslepuncher
Originally by: Constantinus Maximus


"Think new people"


Who me?


That was a sentence out of the word cloud, relax.

Misslepuncher
Maritime Interdiction
Sobriety Test Failures
Posted - 2011.06.27 03:55:00 - [11607]
 

Originally by: Constantinus Maximus
Originally by: Misslepuncher
Originally by: Constantinus Maximus


"Think new people"


Who me?


That was a sentence out of the word cloud, relax.


I am that's the problem.

Jaik7
Posted - 2011.06.27 03:57:00 - [11608]
 

Originally by: Bardan Asoto
Originally by: Jimmy Duce
Rokhs, and Maels, and Abaddons oh my. Notice no Gallente Lazor boats.... Buff Gallente



Our crappy boats don't have the PG for lazors.


so, sentry drone! use the only assets you've got!

also, you could fit undersized lasers, they are kinder on fittings

the other day, some guy in an armageddon was outside amarr, setting up his armor bots in a 5 bot rep chain. then he shot at them with his lasers, making a nice light show. what i am now trying to organize is a corp wide armor bot laser show with dozens of armor bots and lasers. since my corp is more intrested in isk than civil disobediance, anyone else want to try it?

Jimmy Duce
Chaotic Tranquility
Posted - 2011.06.27 03:57:00 - [11609]
 

Edited by: Jimmy Duce on 27/06/2011 03:57:43
Quote:

Are you moving beyond VANITY AUR items?






Greed, is so distructive...



And with that I go to bed afk shooting in Jita with Lazors

Brannor McThife
Stimulus
Rote Kapelle
Posted - 2011.06.27 03:59:00 - [11610]
 

Originally by: Jaik7

the other day, some guy in an armageddon was outside amarr, setting up his armor bots in a 5 bot rep chain. then he shot at them with his lasers, making a nice light show. what i am now trying to organize is a corp wide armor bot laser show with dozens of armor bots and lasers. since my corp is more intrested in isk than civil disobediance, anyone else want to try it?

This would be awesome. Even more so if you could do it to music and fraps it.

-G


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