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Container Storage
Posted - 2011.06.27 01:24:00 - [11491]
 

Edited by: Container Storage on 27/06/2011 01:24:03
Ho irony:
http://www.eveonline.com/devblog.asp?a=blog&bid=549
And we found that april's fool funny back then

Constantinus Maximus
Paxian Expeditionary Force
Posted - 2011.06.27 01:25:00 - [11492]
 

Originally by: Deamos
My accounts will stay unsubbed until I hear good news from the CSM.



I'm waiting for santa.

You think CCP will give the CSM the powers to change their last 3 years of revenue planning?

Deamos
Dev Null Development and Holdings
Posted - 2011.06.27 01:26:00 - [11493]
 

Originally by: Constantinus Maximus
Originally by: Deamos
My accounts will stay unsubbed until I hear good news from the CSM.



I'm waiting for santa.

You think CCP will give the CSM the powers to change their last 3 years of revenue planning?


Well, if that becomes the case then no big to me. The accounts will stay unsubbed. I've played Eve for 8 years... In the ending, I think I've gotten my fun out of it.

RougeOperator
Posted - 2011.06.27 01:27:00 - [11494]
 

Originally by: Arvir Aris
Quote:
Due to the volatility of the topic we want to refrain from any further comments on this matter until after meeting with the CSM.


Oh lord, he's afraid of saying anything lest he make it worse.

I can't wait to hear the news they're just dying to tell us that will somehow make things worse.



Isnt it to late? What more could he say to make it worse?

That scares me more then anything else, that there are things out there that can make it WORSE!

Benri Konpaku
Posted - 2011.06.27 01:27:00 - [11495]
 

Originally by: Constantinus Maximus
Originally by: Deamos
My accounts will stay unsubbed until I hear good news from the CSM.



I'm waiting for santa.

You think CCP will give the CSM the powers to change their last 3 years of revenue planning?


Sad but true, there's a real possibility it's already too late (like 2-3 years too late) and there will be nothing but a slow and painful death for the game with a very plausible sellout in the near future. ugh

Kewso
Posted - 2011.06.27 01:27:00 - [11496]
 


Vandrion
Gallente
The Collective
B O R G
Posted - 2011.06.27 01:29:00 - [11497]
 

Advice for Team Coat Hanger (that is how I now refer to Soundwave/Zulu/Hilmar and crew since they want to abort Eve via coat hanger):

Please visit your user settings to re-enable images.

Govinda Sertan
Posted - 2011.06.27 01:29:00 - [11498]
 

>Start playing Eve
>Fall in love with the game and community
>Get involve in the game evolution
>Contribute to the economy and politics
>Have great respect for CCP
>Defend the game and CCP from people that warn us about the game's evolution
>Defend Incarna, hey, maybe it'll be a nice gameplay feature with black market
>June 21 : Incarna comes out
>Find out its total crap
>Leak of Fearless and Killmail
>Find out CCP's are greedy bastards
>No trust in them anymore
>End of the adventure

Fire Watch
Posted - 2011.06.27 01:32:00 - [11499]
 

Originally by: chainedtofate
Edited by: chainedtofate on 27/06/2011 01:23:02
Please visit your user settings to re-enable images.


Nice one.

Constantinus Maximus
Paxian Expeditionary Force
Posted - 2011.06.27 01:32:00 - [11500]
 


Adunh Slavy
Ammatar Trade Syndicate
Posted - 2011.06.27 01:33:00 - [11501]
 

Lots of White Knights and FUD packers in the EU prime time, curious.

rantuket
Caldari
SPORADIC MOVEMENT
Merciless.
Posted - 2011.06.27 01:35:00 - [11502]
 

knock, knock - anybody at CCP home?

RougeOperator
Posted - 2011.06.27 01:38:00 - [11503]
 

Edited by: RougeOperator on 27/06/2011 01:38:58
Originally by: Adunh Slavy
Lots of White Knights and FUD packers in the EU prime time, curious.


I vote that they are CCP PR alts. And will be doing this until it blows over. Then they will all vanish magically never to be heard from once its over.

Care Bear King
Posted - 2011.06.27 01:42:00 - [11504]
 

Opinion Shapers? Rabble Rousers?

--- Top 20 Posters Between Pages 1 and 50
24: Miilla
21: Reed Tiburon
17: Tea Ester Elliot
17: Apollo Gabriel
17: Words Words Words
16: Soden Rah
13: Jason1138
12: Black Dranzer
12: Mehrdad Kor-Azor
12: Alexis Sachs
11: Republica Winder
10: Adunh Slavy
10: Iurnan Mileghere
10: Amira Kornova
10: CCP Manifest
10: Majuan Shuo
10: Da Gooch
10: HoboWithAShip
10: Bloodpetal
9: SailorBacon
---
Total Posts: 1500
Total Posters: 639

--- Top 20 Posters Between Pages 331 and 380
101: Miilla
49: Constantinus Maximus
24: Angeliq
18: Shintai
17: SNeAkYbRiT
15: Gulliver Rex
15: Abrazzar
15: Talamicus
14: Marcus Vorenius
13: Adunh Slavy
13: RougeOperator
12: Ron Whisper
12: Mia Aires
12: Londo Cebb
12: leth ghost
11: Zuquar Bonaparte
11: Gil Warden
11: Nishachara
11: Marc Goth
11: ISquishWorms
---
Total Posts: 1500
Total Posters: 613

--- Top 20 Posters Between Pages 1 and 380
439: Miilla
264: Constantinus Maximus
94: leth ghost
78: Isis Soryu
72: Adunh Slavy
71: Marcus Vorenius
67: Tea Ester Elliot
63: Reed Tiburon
61: Grey Stormshadow
58: Jaroslav Unwanted
50: Bloodpetal
50: Alexis Sachs
49: Shintai
48: Eladaris
46: RougeOperator
43: Manos Heimenbarger
41: Kewso
41: Cutter Isaacson
40: Ris Dnalor
39: Ranka Mei
---
Total Posts: 11400
Total Posters: 3561

Constantinus Maximus
Paxian Expeditionary Force
Posted - 2011.06.27 01:42:00 - [11505]
 

Edited by: Constantinus Maximus on 27/06/2011 01:43:58
Originally by: RougeOperator
Edited by: RougeOperator on 27/06/2011 01:38:58
Originally by: Adunh Slavy
Lots of White Knights and FUD packers in the EU prime time, curious.


I vote that they are CCP PR alts. And will be doing this until it blows over. Then they will all vanish magically never to be heard from once its over.


Funnily enough the ones that are a little obvious stop posting as soon as called out for being CCP.

There have been a few times where they came in enforce (3-4 at a time) and tried to turn the debate onto "vanity items are too expensive".

edit: the best part is they all have no avatar :-D

RougeOperator
Posted - 2011.06.27 01:44:00 - [11506]
 

Originally by: Constantinus Maximus
Originally by: RougeOperator
Edited by: RougeOperator on 27/06/2011 01:38:58
Originally by: Adunh Slavy
Lots of White Knights and FUD packers in the EU prime time, curious.


I vote that they are CCP PR alts. And will be doing this until it blows over. Then they will all vanish magically never to be heard from once its over.


Funnily enough the ones that are a little obvious stop posting as soon as called out for being CCP.

There have been a few times where they came in enforce (3-4 at a time) and tried to turn the debate onto "vanity items are too expensive".


Yes they already showed they are pretty sneaky gits. And will do anything to create a distraction. IE leak someone personal info to try to use sympathy as a distraction to name one.


Zhula Guixgrixks
Increasing Success by Lowering Expectations
Posted - 2011.06.27 01:45:00 - [11507]
 

Originally by: Mattias Kerensky


Once it passed a million views, we officially classified it a ThreadTITAN.


Is the doomsday device fully operational ?




Constantinus Maximus
Paxian Expeditionary Force
Posted - 2011.06.27 01:48:00 - [11508]
 

Originally by: Zhula Guixgrixks
Originally by: Mattias Kerensky


Once it passed a million views, we officially classified it a ThreadTITAN.


Is the doomsday device fully operational ?



Please visit your user settings to re-enable images.

"Ze whole point of ze doomsday device is zat you have to TELL PEOPLE ABOUT IT! WHY DIDN'T YOU TELL PEOPLE!"

Markus Jome
Posted - 2011.06.27 01:48:00 - [11509]
 

@ Care Bear King

there are always people who post much more than other people. But i doubt they are responsible for the 1mio + views of this topic

Kraundewr
Posted - 2011.06.27 01:48:00 - [11510]
 

Originally by: Saska Samar
Originally by: Kraundewr
Has anyone stopped to think about the possibility that CCP is doing this on purpose?

CCP is "calling a CSM" emeregency meeting to make the players happy. This is perfect.

The next step is reducing prices and making apologies. This in turn will still allow them to sell things for cash, but also maintain their loyal fanbase.

This is all about drama my friends, welcome to the world of "As CCP turns".

If you think anything else, your fooling yourself.


Selling things for cash is not an issue (in the main, however they should still be player made and cost resources). Idiots will buy clothes and ****. Selling game advantage items when subscription based should never happen. The day that occurs is the day I leave (well the day it's confirmed - maybe the reason why CCP won't say one way or the other at the moment)


They will not sell things in game that will gave an unfair advantage to a player. This is still part of the hype and drama that all of you have become part of. This is pure genious in my opinion. Just like EvEbank and the many other game ploys of master CCP.
This drama is generating them an amazing amount of publicity.

Lolmer
Amarr
Merciless Reckoning
Executive Solution
Posted - 2011.06.27 01:48:00 - [11511]
 

Originally by: Seleene
Valerie,

If you really want to understand how a lot of folks feel in a short amount of time, I suggest you read this as it sums up a lot of player feelings:

Originally by: Jade Constantine
Sure when you have been playing Eve as long as we have you learn to take the rough with the smooth but you do so with the general feeling that CCP developers understand and “get” what makes Eve great – and that’s the problem now. This internal newsletter (if real) shows that one of the leading developers does not “get eve” does not care about eve, and simply sees eve as a cash cow to be milked ferociously to fund other projects. This is about keeping the golden goose of eve subscriptions (on a drip feed if necessary) while chasing and grubbing every little loose cent he can from the player base.

Let me give you a couple of examples of how this can and does (and has already) impacted our enjoyment of this game:

1. The Captains Quarters – it’s not gameplay its a display cabinet for vanity items. And the price of this display cabinet for you and I is that multi-client performance in stations is now terrible – if you have a bad graphic card it’s a jerk fest – if you have a decent graphics card it’s heat-fest. I can run 3-4 clients with CQ’s turned on – I can run it smoothly – but do I want to? Hell no because my Gtx 580 sounds like its melting my motherboard now! So I need to turn off the CQ’s on multiple accounts and as a result have more limited functionality on those accounts and an ugly wallpaper. No more station environment, no more clicking on my ship to open cargo hold, no more dragging ship to the hanger to board it. The delivery of the CQ vanity item display case has impacted my gameplay.

CCP could have made it optional and given us the option of keeping the old hanger view and added a “disembark ship” option to the UI but “oh no” to do that would have meant we weren’t being forced to look the vanity display case that marketing insisted must be front and centre if we’re to even think about buying these ridiculously overpriced items from the Noble store.

2. If you read the newsletter you’ll see reference to saved fitting slots – and I don’t know about you Verone but in JF we’ve run out of saved corp ship fittings. We want CCP to up the limit but is that really going to happen while the “biz-devs” talk honeyed words about how to squeeze extra income from players for such “minor upgrades.”? How long till we pay aurum for extra corp standing slots? For wardec options? For a usable corp management screen?

3. And who develops these vanity items? Yes thats right its Eve artists and developers whose salary we pay with our subscriptions. Given the choice wouldn’t you rather have engine trails and flashy cyno effect for all players rather than a bunch of overpriced tat in the Aur store for a fleeced few?

Because that is precisely the compromise being made here -> CCP using our subs money to pay for vanity item production they want to sell back to us for greedy prices and it is something you SHOULD get mad about.

So here’s the thing.

The time to fight for the game we love is not in six months time when these concepts have bedded down and CCP is feeling bold enough to start selling Noble Faction ammo and +9 implants. The time to fight is now. Because this newsletter embodies everything that many of us feared but didn’t want to believe CCP were becoming capable of. It is a massive betrayal of the compact we shared as players and developers of this game and indicates that CCP is preparing to leap down a very dark and deep path of self-immolation in the months to come.

I don’t want to see Eve Online die Verone. That sounds dramatic I know, but gameworlds die when the dreams and visions are extinguished and that can happen through a succession of bad ideas foisted on a community by people who really don’t have much of a clue in business.



+1 QFT

lech lizdian
Posted - 2011.06.27 01:49:00 - [11512]
 

Originally by: Chesty Buws


I occasionally have time to mission, so making enough ISK to buy PLEX and monocles is an impossibility. If pay-to-win really is the future of this game then PvP becomes very difficult unless you are rich in game, which I am not. I play the game for the PvP, so I guess the game would not be appealing any longer as I would constantly lose to richer players.

There is a class society lesson in there somewhere...


no one is saying yes to including golden items...
i am saying that if there is going to be mt for vanity items make those items be bought as bpc's that way the finsished product will be sold on the market for isk

Kaaeliaa
Amarr
Ministry of War
Posted - 2011.06.27 01:49:00 - [11513]
 

Adding another post to the threadgendary.

Come on, CCP. Your time is running out. Misdirection isn't going to work. The big yellow question isn't just the elephant in the room. Even P.T. Barnum couldn't make it disappear. It's more like the blue whale in our fishtank.

Adunh Slavy
Ammatar Trade Syndicate
Posted - 2011.06.27 01:55:00 - [11514]
 

Originally by: Constantinus Maximus
Edited by: Constantinus Maximus on 27/06/2011 01:43:58
Originally by: RougeOperator
Edited by: RougeOperator on 27/06/2011 01:38:58
Originally by: Adunh Slavy
Lots of White Knights and FUD packers in the EU prime time, curious.


I vote that they are CCP PR alts. And will be doing this until it blows over. Then they will all vanish magically never to be heard from once its over.


Funnily enough the ones that are a little obvious stop posting as soon as called out for being CCP.

There have been a few times where they came in enforce (3-4 at a time) and tried to turn the debate onto "vanity items are too expensive".

edit: the best part is they all have no avatar :-D


I have noticed a few common themes. That isn't exactly proof of anything though. We pitchfork welding geese have a common theme too. Hopefully CCP sees the light and we can all go back to arguing with one another and settling it in the sandbox :)

None the less, curious behaviors.

Surfin's PlunderBunny
Minmatar
Sebiestor Tribe
Posted - 2011.06.27 01:56:00 - [11515]
 

Originally by: Kaaeliaa
Adding another post to the threadgendary.

Come on, CCP. Your time is running out. Misdirection isn't going to work. The big yellow question isn't just the elephant in the room. Even P.T. Barnum couldn't make it disappear. It's more like the blue whale in our fishtank.


You speak craziness... a whale will not fit in a fishtank Razz

Nubzilla
Posted - 2011.06.27 02:01:00 - [11516]
 

Originally by: Surfin's PlunderBunny
Originally by: Kaaeliaa
Adding another post to the threadgendary.

Come on, CCP. Your time is running out. Misdirection isn't going to work. The big yellow question isn't just the elephant in the room. Even P.T. Barnum couldn't make it disappear. It's more like the blue whale in our fishtank.


You speak craziness... a whale will not fit in a fishtank Razz


Kinda like RMT will not fit in sandbox?

MacPhie
Posted - 2011.06.27 02:02:00 - [11517]
 

Edited by: MacPhie on 27/06/2011 02:01:50
Getting in on the 384th floor
385th now

Londo Cebb
Official Market Discussions Troll
Posted - 2011.06.27 02:02:00 - [11518]
 

Originally by: Care Bear King
List of stuff


So if we ignore Miilla then this thread only has like Eleven Thousand posts. Yea that is nothing to worry about.

On a side note YAY I made the list !!Laughing

Zuquar Bonaparte
New Dawn Corporation
Circle-Of-Two
Posted - 2011.06.27 02:02:00 - [11519]
 

Originally by: Care Bear King
Opinion Shapers? Rabble Rousers?OR JUST PEOPLE WITH A STRONG OPINION AND LOVE FOR THE GAME
--- Top 20 Posters Between Pages 1 and 50
24: Miilla
21: Reed Tiburon
17: Tea Ester Elliot
17: Apollo Gabriel
17: Words Words Words
16: Soden Rah
13: Jason1138
12: Black Dranzer
12: Mehrdad Kor-Azor
12: Alexis Sachs
11: Republica Winder
10: Adunh Slavy
10: Iurnan Mileghere
10: Amira Kornova
10: CCP Manifest
10: Majuan Shuo
10: Da Gooch
10: HoboWithAShip
10: Bloodpetal
9: SailorBacon
---
Total Posts: 1500
Total Posters: 639

--- Top 20 Posters Between Pages 331 and 380
101: Miilla
49: Constantinus Maximus
24: Angeliq
18: Shintai
17: SNeAkYbRiT
15: Gulliver Rex
15: Abrazzar
15: Talamicus
14: Marcus Vorenius
13: Adunh Slavy
13: RougeOperator
12: Ron Whisper
12: Mia Aires
12: Londo Cebb
12: leth ghost
11: Zuquar Bonaparte
11: Gil Warden
11: Nishachara
11: Marc Goth
11: ISquishWorms
---
Total Posts: 1500
Total Posters: 613

--- Top 20 Posters Between Pages 1 and 380
439: Miilla
264: Constantinus Maximus
94: leth ghost
78: Isis Soryu
72: Adunh Slavy
71: Marcus Vorenius
67: Tea Ester Elliot
63: Reed Tiburon
61: Grey Stormshadow
58: Jaroslav Unwanted
50: Bloodpetal
50: Alexis Sachs
49: Shintai
48: Eladaris
46: RougeOperator
43: Manos Heimenbarger
41: Kewso
41: Cutter Isaacson
40: Ris Dnalor
39: Ranka Mei
---
Total Posts: 11400
Total Posters: 3561


i demand a recount, allso fixd the headline for you

KwaLevu
Caldari
Lost in Missions
Posted - 2011.06.27 02:02:00 - [11520]
 

can one of the CSMs create a general chat so we can discuss this issue?


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