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Miilla
Minmatar
Hulkageddon Orphanage
Posted - 2011.06.26 23:38:00 - [11371]
 

Originally by: Cadela Fria
Originally by: Miilla
Edited by: Miilla on 26/06/2011 23:32:27
Originally by: Popsikle
Originally by: Miilla

One thing I don't get about CCP is for all the "research" with "outside professionals" that CCP has done to get metrics on the Microtransactions in Eve succeeding, howcome CCP are in PANIC MODE and calling the CSM up to Iceland and trying to QUELL our ANGER?

If they are just "staying the course" and we are "very predictable" they shouldn't have to bother, and just deploy the system and items full speed ahead.
Seems CCP was talking out their buttocks again.




They are not doing that, nor should they. They are calling the CSM up to explain to them why they did what they did, and what the plan to do with it, and how to best continue down the path without ****ing too many people off.

That is EXACTLY what they should be doing. Eve need's MT, it needs more cash flow to progress, CCP should get that any way they can imho. I also dont see the difference between they way it is now and the way it would be if eve was F2P like WoT or something. People just buy whatever they want anyway don't they?




The "cash flow to progress" as you put it isn't for Eve, it is for CCP yes, more specifically, it is for WoD. Keep up will ya.

Eve is reaching its life time. It is 8 years old. Eve is a test bed for Carbon and MT's that will be pushed into WoD, Eve is niche, it is TINEY, the Fundmaster for WoD, and WoD will get the BIG ATTENTION and FOCUS by CCP because it is their WoW. MASS MARKET which Eve NEVER WILL BE.




Let me see if I understand you correctly...Do you want EVE to be a "test bed" as you call it ? Second question, do you mind EVE being a "test bed" Third question, do you want new technology to be introduced to EVE ?



I don't call the shots in Eve, Hilmar and his investors bosses do. personally I don't give a rats what he does with it. If I don't like it, I move on. Seems a lot are choosing the latter.

RougeOperator
Posted - 2011.06.26 23:38:00 - [11372]
 

Originally by: Kraundewr
Has anyone stopped to think about the possibility that CCP is doing this on purpose?

CCP is "calling a CSM" emeregency meeting to make the players happy. This is perfect.

The next step is reducing prices and making apologies. This in turn will still allow them to sell things for cash, but also maintain their loyal fanbase.

This is all about drama my friends, welcome to the world of "As CCP turns".

If you think anything else, your fooling yourself.


Then you missed the entire point of this protest.


Govinda Sertan
Posted - 2011.06.26 23:38:00 - [11373]
 

Edited by: Govinda Sertan on 26/06/2011 23:38:37
There is a single reason for all the problems there is between CCP and the gamers fanbase :

1. Why do they stop caring about what we say ?
2. Why didnt they make any major effort to fix bugs, upgrade the game the past few years ?
3. Why they will only force Incarna-like features and online store from now on ?

Because they have changed their business model years ago. They dont intend to be user-friendly anymore. They dont intend to take advice from the community (CSM is an illusion of that).

They follows a new strategy : more and more and more paying content. And who cares if 5-10 % players go away, when the remaining will pay 2 times more than before to continue playing ?

It sure is sad. But consider the fact that now, even if they want to, CCP cant change their business model now. They are engaged. It's over.

TL;DR: expect more and more BS to buy time in days to come. And more and more 1000$ pants.

Adunh Slavy
Ammatar Trade Syndicate
Posted - 2011.06.26 23:39:00 - [11374]
 

Originally by: Kraundewr
Has anyone stopped to think about the possibility that CCP is doing this on purpose?

CCP is "calling a CSM" emeregency meeting to make the players happy. This is perfect.

The next step is reducing prices and making apologies. This in turn will still allow them to sell things for cash, but also maintain their loyal fanbase.

This is all about drama my friends, welcome to the world of "As CCP turns".

If you think anything else, your fooling yourself.




The Nex prices are just a symbol of how out of touch CCP is.

The issue is play to win, integrity of the sandbox.

Saska Samar
Caldari
Caldari Provisions
Posted - 2011.06.26 23:40:00 - [11375]
 

Originally by: Kraundewr
Has anyone stopped to think about the possibility that CCP is doing this on purpose?

CCP is "calling a CSM" emeregency meeting to make the players happy. This is perfect.

The next step is reducing prices and making apologies. This in turn will still allow them to sell things for cash, but also maintain their loyal fanbase.

This is all about drama my friends, welcome to the world of "As CCP turns".

If you think anything else, your fooling yourself.


Selling things for cash is not an issue (in the main, however they should still be player made and cost resources). Idiots will buy clothes and ****. Selling game advantage items when subscription based should never happen. The day that occurs is the day I leave (well the day it's confirmed - maybe the reason why CCP won't say one way or the other at the moment)

Miilla
Minmatar
Hulkageddon Orphanage
Posted - 2011.06.26 23:40:00 - [11376]
 

Edited by: Miilla on 26/06/2011 23:46:31
Originally by: Govinda Sertan
Edited by: Govinda Sertan on 26/06/2011 23:38:37
There is a single reason for all the problems there is between CCP and the gamers fanbase :

1. Why do they stop caring about what we say ?
2. Why didnt they make any major effort to fix bugs, upgrade the game the past few years ?
3. Why they will only force Incarna-like features and online store from now on ?

Because they have changed their business model years ago. They dont intend to be user-friendly anymore. They dont intend to take advice from the community (CSM is an illusion of that).

They follows a new strategy : more and more and more paying content. And who cares if 5-10 % players go away, when the remaining will pay 2 times more than before to continue playing ?

It sure is sad. But consider the fact that now, even if they want to, CCP cant change their business model now. They are engaged. It's over.

TL;DR: expect more and more BS to buy time in days to come. And more and more 1000$ pants.



Think of the CSM as a baby passifier to keep the customers entertained with the illusion of them being important, as their purpose is to fund CCP's WoW, called WoD.

That's how CCP sees them, that is how I see them. It is called REALITY.

Eve is that child in the family that will always get 2nd attention to their prize baby, WoD. Eve is reaching its lifespan and they are going to jump to WoD and then stick Eve on life support, but one can argue Eve is on life support already. It is obvious, non commitment to features, just enough to get the funding in place (Incarna is a Trojan Horse for that) then once that is in, that it is purpose. Don't expect much more features outside of that track for Eve in future.

Think of Incarna as a TROLLEY DASH around the mall in a competition to get the highest revenue. It's called a BOOST. You go for the BIG ONE, thieves use it in stores, called a BOOSTER BAG, and hit the store HARD, not one or 2 items in the pockets, a HUGE BLOODY METAL TINFOIL BAG and BOOST IT, one massive HIT.


The reason for all this rage now, is because customers (players) are only NOW starting to REALISE THIS. Some have been saying this for years, they where bashed. Well they were right.


chrss2129 Erata
Posted - 2011.06.26 23:40:00 - [11377]
 

Originally by: Azelor Delaria

What about other items? Like that "Golden Scorpion"? Denying one thing does not mean you are denying other things will be sold for P2W.




Correct me if I'm wrong, but wasn't the gold scorpion simply a skin, and the problem was it would be spawned out of thin air?

Bomberlocks
Minmatar
CTRL-Q
Posted - 2011.06.26 23:41:00 - [11378]
 

Originally by: Cadela Fria
....
Let me see if I understand you correctly...Do you want EVE to be a "test bed" as you call it ? Second question, do you mind EVE being a "test bed" Third question, do you want new technology to be introduced to EVE ?
EVE being a testbed for WoD is bad not because of the derped technology, but because it means CCP takes or took its EVE playerbase so for granted that they thought they could try out game design changes and technology for WoD and Dust, not because they benefited EVE in any real sense.

Vandrion
Gallente
The Collective
B O R G
Posted - 2011.06.26 23:41:00 - [11379]
 

Originally by: Cadela Fria
Originally by: Miilla
Edited by: Miilla on 26/06/2011 23:32:27
Originally by: Popsikle
Originally by: Miilla

One thing I don't get about CCP is for all the "research" with "outside professionals" that CCP has done to get metrics on the Microtransactions in Eve succeeding, howcome CCP are in PANIC MODE and calling the CSM up to Iceland and trying to QUELL our ANGER?

If they are just "staying the course" and we are "very predictable" they shouldn't have to bother, and just deploy the system and items full speed ahead.

Seems CCP was talking out their buttocks again.




They are not doing that, nor should they. They are calling the CSM up to explain to them why they did what they did, and what the plan to do with it, and how to best continue down the path without ****ing too many people off.

That is EXACTLY what they should be doing. Eve need's MT, it needs more cash flow to progress, CCP should get that any way they can imho. I also dont see the difference between they way it is now and the way it would be if eve was F2P like WoT or something. People just buy whatever they want anyway don't they?




The "cash flow to progress" as you put it isn't for Eve, it is for CCP yes, more specifically, it is for WoD. Keep up will ya.

Eve is reaching its life time. It is 8 years old. Eve is a test bed for Carbon and MT's that will be pushed into WoD, Eve is niche, it is TINEY, the Fundmaster for WoD, and WoD will get the BIG ATTENTION and FOCUS by CCP because it is their WoW. MASS MARKET which Eve NEVER WILL BE.




Let me see if I understand you correctly...Do you want EVE to be a "test bed" as you call it ? Second question, do you mind EVE being a "test bed" Third question, do you want new technology to be introduced to EVE ?


Transitioning Eve to MT is the same as a back room doctor performing a coat hanger abortion......

derivativo
Posted - 2011.06.26 23:43:00 - [11380]
 

This is all sad, just sad...

Popsikle
Minmatar
Caffeine Commodities Company
Posted - 2011.06.26 23:43:00 - [11381]
 

Originally by: Govinda Sertan
Edited by: Govinda Sertan on 26/06/2011 23:38:37
There is a single reason for all the problems there is between CCP and the gamers fanbase :

1. Why do they stop caring about what we say ?
2. Why didnt they make any major effort to fix bugs, upgrade the game the past few years ?
3. Why they will only force Incarna-like features and online store from now on ?

Because they have changed their business model years ago. They dont intend to be user-friendly anymore. They dont intend to take advice from the community (CSM is an illusion of that).

They follows a new strategy : more and more and more paying content. And who cares if 5-10 % players go away, when the remaining will pay 2 times more than before to continue playing ?

It sure is sad. But consider the fact that now, even if they want to, CCP cant change their business model now. They are engaged. It's over.

TL;DR: expect more and more BS to buy time in days to come. And more and more 1000$ pants.



1: Us eve players dont pay the bills? We also make it impossible for CCP to introduce new people to eve (eve has ALWAYS been harsh to noobs, but now with goons and crew its even worse). If we dont help them grow, why would they listen to us? You think this is some sort of co-op? They have a company to run afterall.....


2: You obviously missed the dev blogs explaining all the work and code needed to go into getting incarna here? All the stuff about fetching data and stuff outside python and allowing c++ modules alot more freedom... If you lot bothered to read some times.......

3: again, READ THE ****ING DEVBLOGS. READ ABOUT TEAM BFF AND 0.0 IMPROVMENTS. FFS.

TL;DR : READ THE ****ING DEVBLOGS

Capsuleer Newton
Amarr
Posted - 2011.06.26 23:46:00 - [11382]
 

Originally by: chrss2129 Erata
Originally by: Azelor Delaria

What about other items? Like that "Golden Scorpion"? Denying one thing does not mean you are denying other things will be sold for P2W.


Correct me if I'm wrong, but wasn't the gold scorpion simply a skin, and the problem was it would be spawned out of thin air?


They made a complete 180 on that one, last i've heard, you need a regular scorpion then some aurum to pay for re-painting it to gold.. :))

Zeg Quul
Posted - 2011.06.26 23:46:00 - [11383]
 

Originally by: Kraundewr


This is all about drama my friends, welcome to the world of "As CCP turns".




Is Hilmar playing poker in his free time ?


Adunh Slavy
Ammatar Trade Syndicate
Posted - 2011.06.26 23:47:00 - [11384]
 

Originally by: chrss2129 Erata
Originally by: Azelor Delaria

What about other items? Like that "Golden Scorpion"? Denying one thing does not mean you are denying other things will be sold for P2W.




Correct me if I'm wrong, but wasn't the gold scorpion simply a skin, and the problem was it would be spawned out of thin air?


Essentially yes. CCP should have never made the suggestion ever if they had a concern for the integrity of the sandbox. Add that to the $99 3rd party issue, the years of promised fixes and iterations that have never come. Then we see the LOLprices in the store, just shows how far off track CCP has become with what customers want. Instead of listening, they are forcing. Then drop the 'Fearless' letter in the mix, and pitchforks are the result.

Londo Cebb
Official Market Discussions Troll
Posted - 2011.06.26 23:49:00 - [11385]
 

Edited by: Londo Cebb on 26/06/2011 23:49:55
Originally by: Adunh Slavy
Originally by: chrss2129 Erata
Originally by: Azelor Delaria

What about other items? Like that "Golden Scorpion"? Denying one thing does not mean you are denying other things will be sold for P2W.




Correct me if I'm wrong, but wasn't the gold scorpion simply a skin, and the problem was it would be spawned out of thin air?


Essentially yes. CCP should have never made the suggestion ever if they had a concern for the integrity of the sandbox. Add that to the $99 3rd party issue, the years of promised fixes and iterations that have never come. Then we see the LOLprices in the store, just shows how far off track CCP has become with what customers want. Instead of listening, they are forcing. Then drop the 'Fearless' letter in the mix, and pitchforks are the result.


Don't forget about the amazing new forums we got.

Surfin's PlunderBunny
Minmatar
Sebiestor Tribe
Posted - 2011.06.26 23:50:00 - [11386]
 

My pitchfork has a rotating pitchy part Very Happy

And I haz a faction torch

Cadela Fria
Amarr
x13
Raiden.
Posted - 2011.06.26 23:50:00 - [11387]
 

Originally by: Miilla

I don't call the shots in Eve, Hilmar and his investors bosses do. personally I don't give a rats what he does with it. If I don't like it, I move on. Seems a lot are choosing the latter.



So you avoid the questions...very well. I rest my case.

Lakuma
Posted - 2011.06.26 23:51:00 - [11388]
 

Approaching 400 pages... The ThreadTitan shall soon be...

THREADPOCALYPSE!

Miilla
Minmatar
Hulkageddon Orphanage
Posted - 2011.06.26 23:51:00 - [11389]
 

Originally by: Cadela Fria
Originally by: Miilla

I don't call the shots in Eve, Hilmar and his investors bosses do. personally I don't give a rats what he does with it. If I don't like it, I move on. Seems a lot are choosing the latter.



So you avoid the questions...very well. I rest my case.




I forgot what the question was, it is probably because all I have seen the past week is FLUFF AND FUDGE.


Siena Petrucis
Caldari
Jelly Kings
BricK sQuAD.
Posted - 2011.06.26 23:52:00 - [11390]
 

Hm .. usually 1 or 2 accounts for sale at eBay in Germany. Now there are 15.

Shintai
Gallente
Arx Io Orbital Factories
Arx Io
Posted - 2011.06.26 23:52:00 - [11391]
 

Originally by: Lakuma
Approaching 400 pages... The ThreadTitan shall soon be...

THREADPOCALYPSE!


Oh we shall pass 400, maybe 500 too.

Londo Cebb
Official Market Discussions Troll
Posted - 2011.06.26 23:53:00 - [11392]
 

Taking bets on how log it takes for the new version of the old new forums, to get hacked.

Benri Konpaku
Posted - 2011.06.26 23:53:00 - [11393]
 

Originally by: Mercedes Bens
Originally by: Loredona LaPrad
CCP is in major damage control right now. But there can only be one fix for this issue and that is for Hilmar Veigar Pétursson (CCP CEO) to resign !!!!!
His comments are not that of a CEO, especially when they directly attack the games community. Have him publicly apologize to the community in a pod cast, Massive EVE in-game mail, online blogs on all accounts and so forth and admit he is an ARSE-HOLE !!!! Then once he resigns, compensate all the players for his ignorant Fvck-Face comments about the community by giving three months of PLEX to each subscribed member, including active but cancelled accounts. Keep to their promise and not do to EVE what SOE, Blizzard and other companies have done to their games that eventually destroyed them.

I think Hilmars' Resignation would be a huge step in mending the relationship CCP has with its customers.

** EVERYONE PETITION CCP AND CALL FOR A VOTE OF NO CONFIDENCE IN CEO PETURSSON AND REQUEST THAT HE BE FORCED TO RESIGN OR FACE LOSING EVERY SUBSCRIBER THAT THEY HAVE**

***** CEO PETURSSON RESIGN !!!!!!!!!!!!!! *****




gotta say i completly agree....CEOs have been forced to resign over less issues then this...the guy came out and pretty much insulted the fanbase of his game...id like to see him either apologize or gtfo.


We are way beyond the apologize stage, he and his supporters need to go.

Cadela Fria
Amarr
x13
Raiden.
Posted - 2011.06.26 23:53:00 - [11394]
 

Originally by: Vandrion


Transitioning Eve to MT is the same as a back room doctor performing a coat hanger abortion......


This wasn't a question about MT. The question was about EVE and the new technology being introduced, such as Carbon.
MT isn't a new thing, let alone a technology. MT is money making scheme.

Miilla
Minmatar
Hulkageddon Orphanage
Posted - 2011.06.26 23:53:00 - [11395]
 

Originally by: Londo Cebb
Taking bets on how log it takes for the new version of the old new forums, to get hacked.




I don't think anybody cares about the new forums anymore lol.



RougeOperator
Posted - 2011.06.26 23:54:00 - [11396]
 

Originally by: Shintai
Originally by: Lakuma
Approaching 400 pages... The ThreadTitan shall soon be...

THREADPOCALYPSE!


Oh we shall pass 400, maybe 500 too.


This thread is bigger then the eve gate itself

Londo Cebb
Official Market Discussions Troll
Posted - 2011.06.26 23:55:00 - [11397]
 

Edited by: Londo Cebb on 26/06/2011 23:55:31
Originally by: Miilla
Originally by: Londo Cebb
Taking bets on how log it takes for the new version of the old new forums, to get hacked.




I don't think anybody cares about the new forums anymore lol.





I still care. Just one more example of CCP promising more then they ever intend to deliver.

Miilla
Minmatar
Hulkageddon Orphanage
Posted - 2011.06.26 23:56:00 - [11398]
 

Originally by: Londo Cebb
Originally by: Miilla
Originally by: Londo Cebb
Taking bets on how log it takes for the new version of the old new forums, to get hacked.




I don't think anybody cares about the new forums anymore lol.





I still care just one more example of CCP promising more then they ever intend to deliver.


Yes, most pompous people are like that. Huff puff hot air huff puff.

Cadela Fria
Amarr
x13
Raiden.
Posted - 2011.06.26 23:57:00 - [11399]
 

Originally by: Miilla
Originally by: Cadela Fria
Originally by: Miilla

I don't call the shots in Eve, Hilmar and his investors bosses do. personally I don't give a rats what he does with it. If I don't like it, I move on. Seems a lot are choosing the latter.



So you avoid the questions...very well. I rest my case.




I forgot what the question was, it is probably because all I have seen the past week is FLUFF AND FUDGE.




The original questions were as following:

1. Do you want EVE to be a "test bed" for new technology?
2. Do you mind EVE being a "test bed" for new technology?
3. Do you want new technology to be introduced to EVE at all?
4. (added question) How do you distinguish the two?
5. (added question) Do you want to keep technology exclusive to EVE? if so how? A promise that a technology used in EVE will never be used anywhere else? A written and signed document that the new technology introduced to EVE will never be used anywhere else?

Flaming Lemming
Caldari
Puppeteer Press
Posted - 2011.06.27 00:00:00 - [11400]
 

Latest Dev blog = Sad, pathetic attempt to stall for time in the hopes that the rage will subside to the point that it won't re-ignite when CCP completely ignores the CSMs input and does whatever the f**k they want to do.

I'm just gullible enough to have hope that they will prove me wrong...but remember, we're going to be watching what you do, not what you say.


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