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Ris Dnalor
Minmatar
Fleet of Doom
Posted - 2011.06.25 22:48:00 - [9121]
 

Originally by: CCP Manifest
I find it immensely important, having read as much of this thread as humanly possible while still in an email/meeting/phonecall flurry yesterday, to let you guys know that Pann didn't abandon this thread on purpose. She had a family emergency in what is possibly the worst possible timing in the history of the internet, about 2 minutes after her second post in here. Everything is ok with that situation (talked to her yesterday). Whether you believe me or not, thems the facts. Saying that, obviously, on the day this thread began would have sounded ludicrous at best, spurious at least. Sort of like "my dog ate my homework" when your dog ACTUALLY ate it.

I haven't yet gotten to the blog responses, Facebook comments or reviewing Twitter hashtags. So please understand if I don't respond in a timely fashion in any venue and understand too that many questions simply cannot be answered directly. The nature of the beast.

The community team, likewise, has had their hands full with (as leniently as possible) enforcing forum rules and relaying information. We're all in it for the long haul though.

If some of my responses that I end up making do sound glib, I can assure you it is not because I don't understand the gravity of the situation at hand or the trueness of emotion/logic behind player opinion. It's because, frankly, of who I am.

Furthermore, if only some stuff gets answers or some seemingly random threads get attention, its also the nature of that same beast. Thanks for listening.



so 1 person has a family emergency so you choose not to let anyone respond to the ****storm? whatever. you can't possibly fail that much as a corporation. It's simply not possible. While it may well be true she had an emergency, someone else could've picked up the ball.

more deception, lies, and bullcrap

Calden De'Altos
Posted - 2011.06.25 22:48:00 - [9122]
 

Edited by: Calden De''Altos on 25/06/2011 22:49:21
I say this right now: I do NOT want a "Pay-to-win" system in Eve. It will wreck the very fundemental mechanics of the game.

However, if CCP is making such a crazy attempt at grabbing money from us, then I have to ask, "How bad off is CCP financially?"

Backing up from the disgust and contempt I feel for the way CCP has handled this situation, once all the smoke and dust clear, I can see that CCP is possibaly in need of more money to keep itself going. As much as I do not like what they are planning to do, I do not want to have the opposite occur and have them go under.

So, we all know that micro-transfers are NOT the answer...what is? An increase in monthlty subscription costs? Purchased expansions?

Pasrt of fixing this problem is show them that there are alternate solutions to the problems. We've proven to them that we are enraged...lets show them that we are also not the drooling mouthbreathers they think we are and give them some solutions. Make our outrage productive.

Majmuna
Posted - 2011.06.25 22:48:00 - [9123]
 

Originally by: Tommy Blue
Edited by: Tommy Blue on 25/06/2011 22:32:01
CCP, the player base is now officially OVER 9000. If you want to stand up for the promise you made to us to never implement non-vanity item MT then come out and state it now. If you make a one sentence post saying just that, this forum rage and the subsequent un-subs will end immediately. It is just that simple.

Now, on the other hand, please come out and state that you will implement non-vanity item MT now if you truly believe that so many of us can just un-sub now and not have to rage post. It will make all of our lives easier.

Every other issue posted in this thread is pretty much irrelevant compared to this issue. Do we want other changes? Sure we do, but our number one concern as the united player base of EVE Online is non-vanity item MT. Answer the question we are all dying to hear and we can get back on track and all have fun again playing eve or producing it.

Also, having browsed the internets, I hope you can see the absurdity of what you are doing by looking at other websites mocking you.

- TB



Big support for this.

solar wave
Posted - 2011.06.25 22:48:00 - [9124]
 

Originally by: Arvir Aris
Originally by: solar wave
is it me or have they just lowerd the player cap in Jita from 1600 to 1500?


There's no player cap, you just need to spend 500 Aurum to make the jump now.


ROFL!!!

Glad I got in there before the price hike YARRRR!!

Ayame Yubari
Posted - 2011.06.25 22:48:00 - [9125]
 

Originally by: solar wave
is it me or have they just lowerd the player cap in Jita from 1600 to 1500?


Seems like it. Could be they lower the cap periodically so it looks as if the protest is slowly dying. Wouldn't suprise me at all at this point.

Shintai
Gallente
Arx Io Orbital Factories
Arx Io
Posted - 2011.06.25 22:48:00 - [9126]
 


Garreth Vlox
Minmatar
Obsidian Inc.
Posted - 2011.06.25 22:49:00 - [9127]
 

Originally by: TyphMaster
Stop wasting your time guys ... CCP doesn't care about us .. they dont care about community .. they sent a peon who claimed to be the responsible for some of their groups to simply lie to us asking time for .. nothing? .... CSM is definitely a joke and CCP is just laughing at this moment just waiting the end of this discussion before moving forward with this s*** without a single change. Sooner or later they will sell non-vanity stuffs and bigger upgrades (like additional fit slots .. can you imagine the old EOS back with an additional low slot, more speed, etc..? Just pay 30 bucks) for a fee. Period!

They ignored us in the past (Need for speed thing and other crisis) and they will continue to ignore us.

If you are not happy go find another game!

I am looking for an alternative already.




perpetuum online is starting to look real atractive to me, seeing as it looks and feels like eve without the overbearing stupidity of CCP's management team

Miilla
Minmatar
Hulkageddon Orphanage
Posted - 2011.06.25 22:49:00 - [9128]
 

Originally by: Tla Atij
Originally by: Miilla




CCP CAVES IN!

They promise to no longer put GOLD ammo into the NEX store..

They now asked the CSM.. .Which COLOUR of AMMO do you want.





LaughingLaughingLaughingLaughingLaughing
<3 Miilla





To the CSM: Since CCP are now accepting DEMANDS, I want PINK ammo. K. Thanks. Keep up the good work, we will get all the colours of the rainbow soon (Except GOLD).





Marcus Vorenius
Caldari
Task Force 42
Posted - 2011.06.25 22:50:00 - [9129]
 

Originally by: Vandrion
Even Hilmar's new baby doesn't approve........

baby




LMAO - holy moly, thats just mean

leth ghost
Posted - 2011.06.25 22:51:00 - [9130]
 

Originally by: Fix Lag
Shutting down the main trade hub in the game: a sure way to demonstrate the awesomeness of CCP's latest patch.


the irony of your name lol


o and its not the patch thats the problem get with it brosef

Angeliq
Minmatar
Soimii Patriei
Vera Cruz Alliance
Posted - 2011.06.25 22:51:00 - [9131]
 

Originally by: Dragonzchilde
WE WANT PVP we DONT NEED SHOES

FIX YOUR PVP

- dont you ****ing touch the moms
- bring back the AoE doomsday
- get rid of the blob
- give snipers a chance to do their thing
- get rid of the blob
- fix rockets
- fix blasters
- fix webs
- get rid of the blob
- **** Pos grinding
- make the game attractive to smaller groups
- get rid of the blob



**** your ****ty AUR
**** your ****y vanity crap


Totally agree!

solar wave
Posted - 2011.06.25 22:52:00 - [9132]
 

I worked out why we havnt got an answer yet, they are benefiting from all of this!!!

they are able to stress test, try things out with the Jita server, lowering the player cap is probably a test to see how well the server handles different scinarios, we are helping them in the long run :(

Miilla
Minmatar
Hulkageddon Orphanage
Posted - 2011.06.25 22:52:00 - [9133]
 

Originally by: leth ghost
Originally by: Fix Lag
Shutting down the main trade hub in the game: a sure way to demonstrate the awesomeness of CCP's latest patch.


the irony of your name lol


o and its not the patch thats the problem get with it brosef





CCP are fixing lag as we speak... Just a few thousand more cancellations and they will soon be at their "metric".



Algathas
Minmatar
The Revenge of Auntie Freeze
Posted - 2011.06.25 22:52:00 - [9134]
 

What CCP is actually doing right now is getting all devs to finish the new forums so they can erase the threadnarock from the history books.

Teako
Posted - 2011.06.25 22:53:00 - [9135]
 

I wonder if Hilmar is even thinking about this. Or if he really lives in his own world and expects it all to be back to normal monday with everyone resubscribed.

Vaerah Vahrokha
Minmatar
Vahrokh Consulting
Posted - 2011.06.25 22:54:00 - [9136]
 

Originally by: Fix Lag
Shutting down the main trade hub in the game: a sure way to demonstrate the awesomeness of CCP's latest patch.


How did he describe it? "Most succesful patch ever", right?

leth ghost
Posted - 2011.06.25 22:54:00 - [9137]
 

Originally by: Garreth Vlox
Originally by: TyphMaster
Stop wasting your time guys ... CCP doesn't care about us .. they dont care about community .. they sent a peon who claimed to be the responsible for some of their groups to simply lie to us asking time for .. nothing? .... CSM is definitely a joke and CCP is just laughing at this moment just waiting the end of this discussion before moving forward with this s*** without a single change. Sooner or later they will sell non-vanity stuffs and bigger upgrades (like additional fit slots .. can you imagine the old EOS back with an additional low slot, more speed, etc..? Just pay 30 bucks) for a fee. Period!

They ignored us in the past (Need for speed thing and other crisis) and they will continue to ignore us.

If you are not happy go find another game!

I am looking for an alternative already.




perpetuum online is starting to look real atractive to me, seeing as it looks and feels like eve without the overbearing stupidity of CCP's management team


you in the eve channel on perp ? alotta lulz and devs speaking to you not milking you

Mr Abstoss
Posted - 2011.06.25 22:54:00 - [9138]
 

CCP's replies and opinions on Incarna is propaganda!

Garreth Vlox
Minmatar
Obsidian Inc.
Posted - 2011.06.25 22:54:00 - [9139]
 

Originally by: Ris Dnalor
Originally by: CCP Manifest


1) Whether you believe me or not, thems the facts.

2) So please understand if I don't respond in a timely fashion in any venue and understand too that many questions simply cannot be answered directly.


2) If some of my responses that I end up making do sound glib, I can assure you it is not because I don't understand the gravity of the situation at hand or the trueness of emotion/logic behind player opinion. It's because, frankly, of who I am.




1) so one person had an emergency therefore no one else had the balls to step up and take some flak? how professional of you.

2) THERE IS ONLY 1 ****ING QUESTION THE PEOPLE OF THIS FORUM WANT ANSWERED, ITS THE ONE YOU KEEP IGNORING.

3)well then maybe you should put your ****ing personality on hold and do you ****ing job before your inability to communicate like a normal human being manages to destroy the entire fan base and the game.



DragonOfTheArmory
Posted - 2011.06.25 22:54:00 - [9140]
 

A request for "parley"?

Sure. I'll play.

Let's fix a few things. Off the top of my head is the quoting of rules by other members of your staff.

Posting of personnel info? See rule number 8:
http://www.eveonline.com/ingameboard.asp?a=reply&threadID=1536065

"8. No posting of personal information
Please respect the privacy of other Eve players and do not give out information such as phone numbers and addresses."

Fallout locked a thread about having contact information to the more important people in CCP aka the board of directors, and quoted forum rules and locked the thread. This requires a bit of an explaination.


The leak email? Same link, see rule number 9:
"9. Private communication between the Game Masters, Eve Team members, moderators and administrators of the forum and the forum users is not to be made public on these forums or by any other venue.
You are not permitted to publicize any private correspondence (including petitions) received from any of the aforementioned. "

Your company had an email leaked to the public through means that I don't really care about. So how does this rule apply to locking of threads.


On to the next point:
"No, it's not. It's a waste of my time, which I could be spent gathering more feedback and talking with people making sure the player's perspective is being shared with people higher up the ladder, I'm wasting time with extremely childish antics that get no one anywhere."

The feedback has been given over, and over, and over, and over again. You have a disconnect with the people that provide you a paycheck, and you stopped listening a very long time ago. It got so bad, that there is this CSM thing that was more like a shell game because your company has failed to listen to the feedback that was provided. You have degressed to a point that you have failed to hold yourselfs to the basics that made your company popular when E-O started up.


I agree to some point that some of the garbage that is going on in Jita and the other trade hubs is more a case of people up in arms for no reason other than just to do it, while a good number of people are sitting on the fence waiting for your next move. The questions that are being asked are simple, yet you have failed to stand up and provide an answer and hold your ground.


Your turn.

Lii'ta
Posted - 2011.06.25 22:55:00 - [9141]
 

Originally by: Teako
I wonder if Hilmar is even thinking about this. Or if he really lives in his own world and expects it all to be back to normal monday with everyone resubscribed.


Maybe hes just out traveling, and the standing order is "do not do anything unless Hilmar is back"

Teako
Posted - 2011.06.25 22:55:00 - [9142]
 


Zuquar Bonaparte
New Dawn Corporation
Circle-Of-Two
Posted - 2011.06.25 22:55:00 - [9143]
 

Originally by: Teako
I wonder if Hilmar is even thinking about this. Or if he really lives in his own world and expects it all to be back to normal monday with everyone resubscribed.


He,s probable wondering what kind of special useless gift to give us all to try quiet us down. Maybe a special transport ship to ship plex,s around in with a vault built in to hold the more than valuable items from the nex store.

Stormchyld
Minmatar
Posted - 2011.06.25 22:55:00 - [9144]
 

Originally by: Solvia
it makes me sad that the longest thread on eve forum will be remembered in history as "the one where the fanbase tried to get a yes/no answer"


.....+1

Surfin's PlunderBunny
Minmatar
Sebiestor Tribe
Posted - 2011.06.25 22:56:00 - [9145]
 

Originally by: Lii'ta
Originally by: Teako
I wonder if Hilmar is even thinking about this. Or if he really lives in his own world and expects it all to be back to normal monday with everyone resubscribed.


Maybe hes just out traveling, and the standing order is "do not do anything unless Hilmar is back"


Nope, here he is Very Happy

Seako
Gallente
Arx Io Orbital Factories
Arx Io
Posted - 2011.06.25 22:56:00 - [9146]
 

Edited by: Seako on 25/06/2011 22:56:27
Originally by: Solvia
it makes me sad that the longest thread on eve forum will be remembered in history as "the one where the fanbase tried to get a yes/no answer"


+1

Ye...sad.

Garreth Vlox
Minmatar
Obsidian Inc.
Posted - 2011.06.25 22:58:00 - [9147]
 

Originally by: Angeliq
Originally by: Dragonzchilde
WE WANT PVP we DONT NEED SHOES

FIX YOUR PVP

- dont you ****ing touch the moms
- bring back the AoE doomsday
- get rid of the blob
- give snipers a chance to do their thing
- get rid of the blob
- fix rockets
- fix blasters
- fix webs
- get rid of the blob
- **** Pos grinding
- make the game attractive to smaller groups
- get rid of the blob



**** your ****ty AUR
**** your ****y vanity crap


Totally agree!


they are fixing the blob, at the rate people are canceling **** and leaving the game there wont be 1000 man battles anymore and the server will finally be able to handle fleet fights agian

CCFAIL
Posted - 2011.06.25 22:58:00 - [9148]
 

Originally by: Algathas
What CCP is actually doing right now is getting all devs to finish the new forums so they can erase the threadnarock from the history books.



thx to eve-search they won't

Lii'ta
Posted - 2011.06.25 22:58:00 - [9149]
 

Originally by: Surfin's PlunderBunny
Originally by: Lii'ta
Originally by: Teako
I wonder if Hilmar is even thinking about this. Or if he really lives in his own world and expects it all to be back to normal monday with everyone resubscribed.


Maybe hes just out traveling, and the standing order is "do not do anything unless Hilmar is back"


Nope, here he is Very Happy


Awesome!

Miilla
Minmatar
Hulkageddon Orphanage
Posted - 2011.06.25 22:58:00 - [9150]
 



*Lifts monkeys paw with 3 wishes*

*thinks hard, tries not to be selfish*

Ok, my first wish... NEX store to have $1000 Jeans

*carefully ponders, again trying not to be selfish*

Second wish... NO GOLD AMMO In the NEX store... Make it PINK please.

*thinks long and hard, trying to be considerate for all*

Last wish... NO MORE MONOCLES... I want a pair of glasses with a false moustache and a cigar.








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