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Marcus Vorenius
Caldari
Task Force 42
Posted - 2011.06.24 23:09:00 - [6241]
 

Edited by: Marcus Vorenius on 25/06/2011 05:46:22
Hilmar is running out of meatshields to send to the front.

Tla Atij
Posted - 2011.06.24 23:09:00 - [6242]
 

Originally by: Jefferson H Clay
The question of non-vanity items for $$ is being avoided. Someone half paranoid would think it's because the answer is "Yes" and they don't want to completley slaughter the playerbase until the winter expansion.


Why do you have to be half paranoid to make that assumption?

Anulla Bequin
Minmatar
Posted - 2011.06.24 23:09:00 - [6243]
 

Pretty sad, really. I only have the one account that I just cancelled. I couldn't afford multiple accounts and all that stuff. But I enjoyed it. When I first looked into what Eve was all about, I remember seeing a picture of the Tempest battleship and thinking, "I want to fly that cool-looking thing. Don't even know what it is, but I want to fly it anyway." And right now, my main is about 2 hours away from finally being able to train Minmatar BS's. Sadly, I don't even care now. In a week, my account goes dark.

Zulu's arrogance and disconnect from the player base was really sad to read. CCP had something unique here and it looks like they don't even care about it anymore. It's just a means to an end.

I had some good times, met some good people, flew cool internet spaceships.

Fly safe, guys.

Vierego
Vierego's Junk Imports
Posted - 2011.06.24 23:10:00 - [6244]
 

Originally by: Miilla
Originally by: Anon Forumalt6858
CCP has finally managed to galvanize and united the playerbase. Not with Fanfest, not with the alliance tournament, and not with amazing innovation in their game...but around the bonfire of it.



Please visit your user settings to re-enable images.



I BROUGHT MARSHMELLOWS!

JitaPriceChecker2
Posted - 2011.06.24 23:10:00 - [6245]
 

Originally by: Nylarthotep
Canceled. o/ Good luck to everyone it's been great fun!


Indeed it was a lot of fun !

Ker'Plah
Posted - 2011.06.24 23:10:00 - [6246]
 


tmasher
Posted - 2011.06.24 23:11:00 - [6247]
 

Originally by: Shival Tornet
It's probably worth pointing out that forums are terrible places to register your dissatisfaction with a company. Social media channels can work better due to their greater visibility to the public.

Twitter – http://twitter.com/#!/ccpgames
FaceBook – http://www.facebook.com/eveonline

According to Wikipedia CCP's main investors are General Catalyst, and Novator (unable to confirm that last one)

Both of those websites have contact details and the thought occurs that some rational correspondence with these organisations concerning these events, your thoughts regarding their handling, and the potential consequences that this might have for their investment, might be effective in bringing these issues to the attention of CCP when evidently they aren't making the transition from the forums.

I would like to point out that abusive communication with anyone's staff CCP or otherwise, is not only a disgusting way to treating people who are mostly just trying to do their jobs, but it seriously damages the chances of our arguments being taken seriously outside this of community.

I don't think anyone should be fired for contributing to an internal planning exercise, I don't even have a major problem that it existed, but I am deeply concerned by the massive disconnect that seems to be occurring between this games developers and it's customers.


Thanks for this, great idea.

EL TITAN
Caldari
Red Sky Morning
BricK sQuAD.
Posted - 2011.06.24 23:11:00 - [6248]
 

ACTUALLY.. CHECK MY TWO ACCOUNTS. ON CHARACTER "EL TITAN" AND "BIGFATMUNTER"

YOU WILL NOTE THAT SUB HAS ENDED..

AN ACTUAL RAGE QUIT!!!

OUT!

Scorch Malkier
Posted - 2011.06.24 23:12:00 - [6249]
 

Edited by: Scorch Malkier on 24/06/2011 23:16:55
209 pages and thus far I have seen 3 CCP messages including the initial one. If I have missed some, then I apologize, but it doesn't seem like I have since this last page had the same complaints as the ones on page 3. I would personally just like a straight answer. Are micro transactions for in-game benefits being seriously considered? A direct yes or no would be appreciated. Also if it is, is it going to be added to incarna or next expansion?

BattleBeaver
Posted - 2011.06.24 23:12:00 - [6250]
 

Originally by: Ker'Plah
Death toll

Yeah, this.

Miilla
Minmatar
Hulkageddon Orphanage
Posted - 2011.06.24 23:13:00 - [6251]
 

Originally by: tmasher
Originally by: Shival Tornet
It's probably worth pointing out that forums are terrible places to register your dissatisfaction with a company. Social media channels can work better due to their greater visibility to the public.

Twitter – http://twitter.com/#!/ccpgames
FaceBook – http://www.facebook.com/eveonline

According to Wikipedia CCP's main investors are General Catalyst, and Novator (unable to confirm that last one)

Both of those websites have contact details and the thought occurs that some rational correspondence with these organisations concerning these events, your thoughts regarding their handling, and the potential consequences that this might have for their investment, might be effective in bringing these issues to the attention of CCP when evidently they aren't making the transition from the forums.

I would like to point out that abusive communication with anyone's staff CCP or otherwise, is not only a disgusting way to treating people who are mostly just trying to do their jobs, but it seriously damages the chances of our arguments being taken seriously outside this of community.

I don't think anyone should be fired for contributing to an internal planning exercise, I don't even have a major problem that it existed, but I am deeply concerned by the massive disconnect that seems to be occurring between this games developers and it's customers.


Thanks for this, great idea.



Has anybody contacted them yet?




HydroVolcano
Posted - 2011.06.24 23:13:00 - [6252]
 

Quote:
Assume for a short while that you are wearing a pair of $1,000 jeans from some exclusive Japanese boutique shop. Why would you want to wear a pair of $1,000 jeans when you can get perfectly similar jeans for under $50?


Is Arnar Hrafn Gylfason(CCP Zulu) wearing $1000 jeans from some exclusive Japanese boutique shop?

Quote:
What do other people think about you when they see you wearing them? For some you will look like the sad culmination of vainness while others will admire you and think you are the coolest thing since sliced bread.


Actually, they think you are pathetic. If you need to have $1000 jeans to gain attention, you're doing it wrong.

Quote:
We will gradually introduce items at other price points, definitely lower and probably higher than what‘s in the store today. We hope you enjoy them and are as passionate about them as you are of the current items that are for sale


Really? So $80 for one VANITY item isn't enough for you?

Quote:
I hope I‘ve addressed your concerns and cleared up a lot of the issues you‘re having. We‘ll continue monitoring the forums and other communications channels and pick up and reply if there are concerns not covered by this blog.


Our concerns have nothing to do with $1000 jeans. Your blockbuster expansion is essentially a drunken blowjob. Thanks for the effort, but I can't feel it... and if you don't make me spunk, you don't get your money.

-2 subs.

Caval Akemi
Posted - 2011.06.24 23:13:00 - [6253]
 

Read what CCP employee's really think about CCP:

http://www.glassdoor.com/Reviews/CCP-Games-Reviews-E159347.htm

one of my favourites:

Quote:
CCP does not take criticism well and often ignores retrospectives. Criticism is considered to be a negative attitude and is severely frowned upon. A lot of effort goes into maintaining a good morale with a lot of internal PR.


and:

Quote:
EVE is not creating enough revenue which means that solutions are sought, solutions that CCP was vehemently against a few years ago.


... no wonder they ****-up the game finally.


Thodol
Posted - 2011.06.24 23:14:00 - [6254]
 

Some real company destroying decisions are being made. Your response to the news letter is was absolutely disgusting. I do not believe a more inflammatory or moronic response could be imagined.

Good job on that one...

LadyBreak
Posted - 2011.06.24 23:14:00 - [6255]
 

Pessimi, veramente pessimi .. non ascoltate i vostri clienti e leggendo le recensioni dei vostri ex-dipendenti si capisce anche il perché della pessima qualità tecnica del prodotto, patch ed espansioni comprese, avete più successo di quello che vi meritate, ma attenzione le cose spesso cambiano in modo molto,molto repentino.
Shockedugh

ccp, look at your back ;)

Poetic Stanziel
Gallente
Macbeth Transport and Freight LLC
Posted - 2011.06.24 23:14:00 - [6256]
 

Originally by: The Mittani
I'm late to the threadnaught because I was out drinking last night and then sleeping it off. Whoops.

Points:

*Making martyrs out of Helicity and Liang is an act of comic incompetence, mid-PR-disaster.

*Greed is Good is a typical example of CCP's absolutely awful messaging. The contents itself are fairly innocuous; the one guy mentioning selling ammo is just some mook, not a producer of consequence. All the same, they might as well have had an internal newsletter called "I WANT TO **** MY CUSTOMERS" as far as the messaging impact is concerned.

The timing of GiG leaking with the NeX opening is masterful on the part of the leakers and awful for CCP.

*I don't care about NeX prices. They can charge hundreds of dollars for sparkleponies and monocles and I don't give a rat's ass - I'm here for the spaceships.

My concerns are keeping microtransactions away from the combat gameplay and fighting for balance and an improved spaceship-on-spaceship experience. Lag, supercapital imbalance, iterative ship balance, all of these things matter far more to me than a store with clothes for a space barbie.




QFT. There is someone in the CSM with some sense. Thanks.

Samurai Okie
Helljumpers
White Noise.
Posted - 2011.06.24 23:15:00 - [6257]
 

I agree with the above mentioned, If you CCP ever makes it any more than vanity items anything that were to give advantage to players in the game because there rich enough to afford it in real life it will destroy the sandbox, and if it ever happens down this route sorry CCP but -4 subscriptions from me.

EVE is EVE, RL is RL keep them seprate

Righteous Deeds
Posted - 2011.06.24 23:15:00 - [6258]
 

Originally by: CCP Pann
Edited by: CCP Pann on 24/06/2011 00:50:29

Like I said, I won’t be able to answer all of your questions tonight, but I promise we’ll start getting some info out tomorrow. As I see it, the chief complaint is regarding the high cost of goods in the Noble Market. Second, many people are unhappy about the Captain’s Quarters. Third, there are some performance issues with Incarna. I would appreciate it if you would confirm my observations or tell me what I’m missing, but I do ask that you do it in a productive way. I will remove posts without prejudice if they are counterproductive to the conversation I hope to have with you.




First let me say this is a positive move. The company has made some large mistakes. The best you can do is be upfront about it and try to fix them, so this is a good start.

I think your summary of the issues is accurate, but in the wrong order. The price of the character bling is fairly meaningless to me outside of it's really notable silliness. I have no interest in it anyway, so the price is irrelevant.

The first issue, even though I don't suffer from it personally, are the performance problems. Doing that to so many subscribers was not cool. Especially having it result from games changes that add nothing to the game they play. That was just wrong.

The second issue, and most annoying to me, is the "door." It's less functional then the old hangar, and the perception is that was done purposefully to ,push us back the CQ where the avatar serves as a cynical advertisement for the bling store. I'm convinced that if you had simply allowed players to opt out of the CQ to the old hangar view instead, you'd have gotten 25% of the heat your brought down on yourselves.

Eve is not Second Life. Most of us don't want to lead some sort of weird virtual space life. (And we don't want to be lied to about revenue generating schemes.) Most of us want a thinking person's space game that's complex enough to stay interesting and with a learning curve steep enough to appeal primarily to those with brains.

The best way to keep this crowd happy is with content. They're really smarter then the typical game crowd and not likely to be fooled by attempts to manipulate them into a game store. If you have financial issues, just be straight-up about it and raise the subscription fee. THAT they might not like so much, but they won't feel like your treating them as though they're idiots.

Drifnir
Mnemonic Enterprises
Posted - 2011.06.24 23:16:00 - [6259]
 

Originally by: Anon Forumalt6858
CCP has finally managed to galvanize and united the playerbase. Not with Fanfest, not with the alliance tournament, and not with amazing innovation in their game...but around the bonfire of it.


QFT

selexus
The Red Circle Inc.
Posted - 2011.06.24 23:16:00 - [6260]
 

I've just spotted the perfect MT item

Please visit your user settings to re-enable images.

So we can all be ready for Incarna part 2.

penifSMASH
ElitistOps
Pandemic Legion
Posted - 2011.06.24 23:16:00 - [6261]
 

in after angry nerds

Jygar
Minmatar
TopKon Industries
Posted - 2011.06.24 23:17:00 - [6262]
 

I'm somewhat disappointed with CCP's response, after playing eve for almost 8 years I'm considering what next.

Incarna is a half baked attempt at out of pod experience, anoms are pointless, missions are full of EW now, jump bridge networks are gone.

Where's the fun in eve now....

Gangotri XII
Posted - 2011.06.24 23:18:00 - [6263]
 

Originally by: Tla Atij
Originally by: Jefferson H Clay
The question of non-vanity items for $$ is being avoided. Someone half paranoid would think it's because the answer is "Yes" and they don't want to completley slaughter the playerbase until the winter expansion.


Why do you have to be half paranoid to make that assumption?


+1

Miilla
Minmatar
Hulkageddon Orphanage
Posted - 2011.06.24 23:18:00 - [6264]
 






Eve: The worlds EMPTYEST game universe

New patch: Jeans 1.0


TheGunslinger42
Posted - 2011.06.24 23:18:00 - [6265]
 

Working to get answers for the players, they said.
Just lower the pitchforks a bit till we get a chance to sort this out, they said.

*rubs $1000 jeans in the players faces*

*don't mention or fix the abysmal performance*

Well EVE, it was a fun five years.

SenshiMaru
Posted - 2011.06.24 23:18:00 - [6266]
 

Edited by: SenshiMaru on 24/06/2011 23:19:56
When you choose not to utilize CQ and MT, CCP quite literally shows you the door....lol. CCP will end up losing more money from cancelled subs than they will gain from MT, and then they will wonder how and why it happened.

Belloche
Caldari
Pegasus Battle Group
Posted - 2011.06.24 23:20:00 - [6267]
 

Originally by: Zarcan
FOR ****'S SAKE.

Are you all two-year-olds? You are all overreacting tremendously. Until they actually implement items and boosts that can be bought with AUR that provide real in-game advantages, then you all are *****ing about nothing. It's purely vanity at this point; a stupid move, yes. Agreed. But they aren't selling skills as of now, they aren't selling loyalty points yet; until they do, calm the **** down, the lot of you.


Ok, I'll bite. WHEN (not if) they introduce the buy your I-WIN item in the NEX shop you will leave? Well, we just saved 30-45 REAL dollars by unsubbing now. Because it IS coming. So dont cry too much when some one day old noob POWNS you because he spent his money in the nex shop, we tried to warned you...

Zasx
Posted - 2011.06.24 23:20:00 - [6268]
 

I need to buy a new computer because of this expansion New Egg or Tiger Direct for 200 or 250 dollars in other words a full two months of what I have available for recreational spending money.

I have two accounts and three computers.

Recent updates to your processor requirements knocked out my other desktop an Athlon xp 3400. Now this update knocked out my laptop because of the Shaders 3.0 requirement. All this right after my account billed on my second account I no longer can use. Don't suppose I can have my money back?

I look around the expansion I see one good thing all be it a bit buggy and that is the Agent Finder. (thank you for that)
Other than that. Its complete fluffy garbage.

I don't want to spend the amount of money it takes for me to work two hours in real life or that I can otherwise pay for a Carrier class vessel on (skipping some really nasty insults I am thinking of for the sake of not getting banned) pants.

The Turrets are pretty but cant see em unless I am scrolled on top of my ship and don't add anything to game play. Because I cant see them I just would like the old ones back. The new icons are fug. I can personally photo-shop a better looking set and I cant draw.

I ask you CCP this. If you are already done with your Shader 2.0 stuff and have all the artwork for an entire game based on 2.0 Would it pain you to let my poor wallet and my poor old computer back on your system and just look at ugly ships and turret's yet still be able to play the game?

Also the game has crashed on me three times since the update before that it was months since my last crash being caused not by the game but a poorly configured firewall.

Captains quarters serves no useful purpose other than proof of concept. Its fluff garbage junk. The Animations on the characters are jerky at best. The TV doesn't have anything I would want to watch. I suppose maybe you can improve it by making it a multi user experience. Including an interactive map for planing. Let the tv stream music or video to the occupants of the room. Be nice to hang out and watch alliance tournament, you tube or tune into eve radio or other play generated content.


Bottom line I love this game but I am poor. I play video games to stop myself from blowing money at a bar. I will go to a cheaper game if you repeatedly make it cost prohibitive. There are a number of internet spaceship games on the market. Vendetta online. Battlestar, Galactica, Startrek online, Starwars Galaxies and a number more in development. As far as Dust don't currently own a PS3 was going to buy one but now have to buy a new computer. I have no interest in bad vampire romance if I want that there's a LARP group here in Buffalo NY.

Maybe two subscriptions don't matter to you. Can't imagine it does. I came back to eve after the last time you did this to me with the end of the classic client. I am sorry I am not rich and making minimal wage in a job economy of over 17% unemployment thats the best I can do sorry.

So Sorry,
ZASX / RUYNE

Velcet NiteDragon
Minmatar
Hayes Interplanetary
Posted - 2011.06.24 23:20:00 - [6269]
 

Originally by: SenshiMaru
When you choose not to utilize CQ and MT, CCP quite literally shows you the door....lol.


I thought they made me stand in the 'Naughty Corner' ;)

Misanth
RABBLE RABBLE RABBLE
Posted - 2011.06.24 23:20:00 - [6270]
 

Right now I'm feeling that CCP should just take their hands off EVE completely. Keep the servers up, charge a minimum fee per month, and let it run the way it is. Screw iterations, screw bug fixes, the game actually works today. But anything CCP plans to actually do to the game is worse than not doing anything at all.

If you/CCP needs to get money, just fire all staff and keep the servers up while you're starting it all over. You're clearly desperate enough to take stupid risks atm, just give up, start over.

EVE will live in the state it currently is. But it will die when you start non-vanity items for AUR. It's that simple.


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