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He11sing
Posted - 2011.06.24 21:27:00 - [5971]
 

Originally by: Mear O'Breannen
lol Mr. Zulu u are Mad, if u think someone who will afford 15$ for shirt he will even afford this for a ****ing useles virtual item !!! If i would canceld allready the supscription for my 4 accounts, this where the point i would it.

And alot people will do that.

Lavender Chic
Monolith Research
Posted - 2011.06.24 21:27:00 - [5972]
 


Gigante Toralen
Posted - 2011.06.24 21:28:00 - [5973]
 

That Dev blog has got to be, by far, the most pathetic, completely out of touch response to a problem that I've ever seen.

I'm dumbfounded by it.

CCP had a perfect opportunity to work with the community, and instead they deliver a textbook example of a one-fingered salute to thier customers.

Soooo glad I left WoW for this. I guess I'll let my current sub run its course while I look for something else to play.

Milkmy Sausage
Posted - 2011.06.24 21:29:00 - [5974]
 

CCP with all due respect to your latest blog. You have still failed, even if thigns are as you say.

Fearless
You've seen the carnage and ruckus we can and will create if any form of game altering MT is implemented. Enough said

Virtual Goods
Load of crap with all due respect. You sre still implementing somethign that rewards those that are wealthier in RL. That creates disdain. If you're going to do this then fine BUT... having these items be indestructable... completely unreasonable. If you're going to have these in the game then let them be destroyed on podding. Probelm solved.

Just remember the warning on gamebeaking MT - we simply won't accept this. I've not attacked anyone at CCP over this so please listen to what I say. Others have admittedly taken things too far, but that's becuase they care deeply for your creation, Fearless makes it seem like we care more than you

Vikk xeno
Posted - 2011.06.24 21:29:00 - [5975]
 

This reminds me of the death of Starwars Galaxies due to the combat upgrade! give us eve and we'll run our own pre incarna version! Hate to watch another great game die...?

Mike deVoid
Firebird Squadron
Terra-Incognita
Posted - 2011.06.24 21:29:00 - [5976]
 

page 200 snipe!!

MentaL DoG
Minmatar
Havoc Violence and Chaos
Merciless.
Posted - 2011.06.24 21:29:00 - [5977]
 

give me my jeans *****es, i want them you money grubing pedos, hope that volcano goes off on one and your jew gold melts lol.ArrowArrowArrowArrowArrowArrowArrowArrowArrowArrowArrowArrowArrowArrowVery HappySmileSadSurprisedShockedConfusedCoolLaughingMadRazzEmbarassedCrying or Very sadEvil or Very MadTwisted EvilRolling EyesWinkExclamationQuestionIdeaArrowNeutralYARRRR!!ughughYARRRR!!YARRRR!!YARRRR!!YARRRR!!YARRRR!!YARRRR!!YARRRR!!YARRRR!!YARRRR!!YARRRR!!YARRRR!!YARRRR!!YARRRR!!YARRRR!!YARRRR!!YARRRR!!YARRRR!!
LOVE MANY, TRUST FEW, ALWAYS PADDLE YOUR OWN CANOE............

Miilla
Minmatar
Hulkageddon Orphanage
Posted - 2011.06.24 21:29:00 - [5978]
 





I see what CCP are doing with EVE: They think EVE is an EXTENSION of REAL LIFE; and thus PRICE ITEMS AT REAL LIFE VALUES.

That's just FECKED UP.

CCP: IT IS A GAME, not REAL LIFE.




Bklyn 1
Posted - 2011.06.24 21:29:00 - [5979]
 

Originally by: Smagd
So, did that answer

Are you moving beyond VANITY AUR items?


Going to Dodixie in a ship named "NO MT FOR EVE" (well BEYOND VANITY ITEMS didn't fit)


I think the lack of an answer answered it quite clearly.

And if not, the fact that he sees us as cash cows able to drop $1,000 on pants should get the message across.

Henrica Gaufridus
Posted - 2011.06.24 21:29:00 - [5980]
 

"I hope I‘ve addressed your concerns and cleared up a lot of the issues you‘re having. We‘ll continue monitoring the forums and other communications channels and pick up and reply if there are concerns not covered by this blog."

I'm going to try and address this point without anger, without ranting, and without insults:

A recurring theme here, as well as in local in Amarr and in Jita (where the mass protests are occurring), isn't the insane prices of vanity items, which is what was primarily addressed in the devblog. It was the idea that the Aurum exchange would expand beyond vanity items, and into the realm of game-affecting items.

Let's take the $1000 pair of jeans vs the $10 par of jeans argument made in the devblog: When you buy a $1000 pair of jeans, the money went toward the designer, the tailor, the weaver, and the harvester/processor of cotton. When you buy a $10 pair of jeans, the money went toward the designer, the tailor, the weaver, and the harvester/processor of cotton. Now let's apply this to Eve: When you buy T2 ammo, the isk you paid goes toward the manufacturer, the researcher who made the T2 BPC, and the miner who mined all that ore. If/When you introduce "better" ammo to the NeX, and you buy it with Aurum (which you got from paying cash to CCP), where does it go? Or let's say you bought it on the market for isk. It goes to the guy who paid cash money to CCP to make it appear from nothing.

What makes the economy of Eve so special is that it is, almost in its entirety, player-driven. Even shuttles aren't seeded anymore. So when you're granting better "stuff" to player A who simply gave more money to CCP than player B, it does not enrich the game whatsoever.

We (the playerbase and the CSM) were told that microtransactions would not be happening. Ever. We (the playerbase and the CSM) were later told that microtransactions would be limited to vanity items ONLY. We have this newsletter now which discusses otherwise, and here's what we (the playerbase and the CSM) are so upset about:

Our concerns are not being addressed. Rather than say "Yes, we're doing it." or "No, we're not going to do it." you tell us the following:

"The opinions and views expressed in Fearless are just that; opinions and views. They are not CCP policy nor are they a reliable source of CCP views as a company. The employees who submitted articles to that newsletter did exactly what they were asked to do, write about theories and opinions from an exaggerated stand."

All the playerbase is asking for is a simple "yes" or "no". By the refusal to answer this question, many of us are left thinking that the answer must be "yes", but CCP will not say so now because, in the words of Kristoffer, you're afraid of being proverbially "burned at the stake".

I'm inclined to believe the answer is "yes, we will be introducing game-affecting items into the Aurum stores, but we're afraid to tell you because it's going to make so many people angry".

Someone please tell me I'm wrong here. I really want to be.

Eanok
Crom Demons
Posted - 2011.06.24 21:30:00 - [5981]
 

That's it then. I'm off. My characters will be deleted within minutes.
It was nice while CCP really cared about Eve, the unique sandbox space ships game, but I'm too old to be laughed at in my face.

So long.

YarrMama
Posted - 2011.06.24 21:30:00 - [5982]
 

In on page 200 and to say "Where's our parley?"

HAL x9000x
Posted - 2011.06.24 21:30:00 - [5983]
 




CCP dont kill the game take your AUR back befor the players leave !!!!!

Rakshasa Taisab
Caldari
Sane Industries Inc.
Posted - 2011.06.24 21:30:00 - [5984]
 

What idiot at CCP thought it was a good idea to start talking about $1000 jeans in that devblog???

Do you _WANT_ the players to read that and go; OH... YEAH I COULD DEFINITELY SEE THEM RELEASING $1000 JEANS.

Kristoff Oldsvarzchy
Posted - 2011.06.24 21:30:00 - [5985]
 


Aganola
Amarr
Pangalactic Punks n' Playboys
HUN Reloaded
Posted - 2011.06.24 21:31:00 - [5986]
 

aaannd 200 pages reached...



reading this new devblog I can only say:
Please visit your user settings to re-enable images.

Belemrys
Damage Unlimited Inc
AN EYE F0R AN EYE
Posted - 2011.06.24 21:31:00 - [5987]
 

Originally by: Isis Soryu
Originally by: The Mittani
I'm late to the threadnaught because I was out drinking last night and then sleeping it off. Whoops.

Points:

*Making martyrs out of Helicity and Liang is an act of comic incompetence, mid-PR-disaster.

*Greed is Good is a typical example of CCP's absolutely awful messaging. The contents itself are fairly innocuous; the one guy mentioning selling ammo is just some mook, not a producer of consequence. All the same, they might as well have had an internal newsletter called "I WANT TO **** MY CUSTOMERS" as far as the messaging impact is concerned.

The timing of GiG leaking with the NeX opening is masterful on the part of the leakers and awful for CCP.

*I don't care about NeX prices. They can charge hundreds of dollars for sparkleponies and monocles and I don't give a rat's ass - I'm here for the spaceships.

My concerns are keeping microtransactions away from the combat gameplay and fighting for balance and an improved spaceship-on-spaceship experience. Lag, supercapital imbalance, iterative ship balance, all of these things matter far more to me than a store with clothes for a space barbie.


Something I can finally agree with The Mittens about, this must be hell.


Ditto...first time a DU member can agree with a Goon...

Arrs Grazznic
Poena Executive Solutions
Posted - 2011.06.24 21:31:00 - [5988]
 

CCP, seriously, WTF? I've just read your new Dev Blog and you have completely missed the point. Didn't 200 pages in 24 hours give you some clue as to what the **** everyone is so ****ed off about? Jesus ****ing Christ you are royally screwing the pooch on this.

Nuhm DeAra
Posted - 2011.06.24 21:31:00 - [5989]
 

As I said before, a lot of you should be ashamed of yourselves. Kicking and screaming for absolutely no reason.

Chogon Toil
Posted - 2011.06.24 21:32:00 - [5990]
 

Originally by: Miilla




I see what CCP are doing with EVE: They think EVE is an EXTENSION of REAL LIFE; and thus PRICE ITEMS AT REAL LIFE VALUES.

That's just FECKED UP.

CCP: IT IS A GAME, not REAL LIFE.






They said this at this year's FanFest. They said, very clearly, that EvE isn't a game. They said it's real. Helps you understand their mentality.

RU Sirius
Brutor Tribe
Posted - 2011.06.24 21:32:00 - [5991]
 

Dev blog Linkage

Partially understands, but ultimately misses the point of protest completely; it's not about the price of monocles, it's about wasting time on introducing broken content and mechanics instead of useful stuff, it's about one of your founding fathers dissing your customers in an internal newsletter.

Well I've certainly not been convinced.

Mear O'Breannen
Posted - 2011.06.24 21:32:00 - [5992]
 

i should, and i will ask my bank to take the transaction back. CCP Game over ...

Max Kolonko
Caldari
Worm Nation
Ash Alliance
Posted - 2011.06.24 21:32:00 - [5993]
 

Edited by: Max Kolonko on 24/06/2011 21:38:48
And still no answer, the new Dev Blog is a J.O.K.E.


Seriously guys, we want answers:

- will NON-Vanity items be available to buy?
- when will you fix all bugs You made with last 3 big patches?
- when are you going to make some spaceship stuff instead barbies?
- When will i be able to turn off incarna on my client?

ohh and 200 page snipe :) and pretty nice post number 5999 :)

Constantinus Maximus
Paxian Expeditionary Force
Posted - 2011.06.24 21:33:00 - [5994]
 

BACK ON TOPIC! The devblog is working, you are talking about what they wants you to talk about. Pants prices you don't give a flying **** about.


littlet15
Amarr
Anquietas Protectorate
Bang Bang You're Dead
Posted - 2011.06.24 21:33:00 - [5995]
 

well zulu, its nice to know that my 6 account subsciption pays for you to have $1000 dollar jeans. i personally however would love to ****ing know what gave you the idiotic idea that after spending this much on a GAME ALREADY, i would want to spend more on items that have absolutely no bearing on EVE's CENTRAL PILLAR MOTHER ****ING GAMEPLAY.

6 subs down, it was a good first 5 years, the last 3 years, i really should have seen this coming. good bye ccp, and i guess i won't be buying dust now.

Arya Greywolf
Posted - 2011.06.24 21:33:00 - [5996]
 

Originally by: Cutter Isaacson

ARE YOU GOING TO BE INTRODUCING NON-VANITY ITEMS INTO THE DAMN NEX STORE OR NOT?




THIS ^ + 2) WE WANT OLD HANGER VIEW BACK WITH CQ "DISEMBARK" BUTTON



DiaLogical
Posted - 2011.06.24 21:33:00 - [5997]
 

This is such a letdown.
At least CCP could've said something like "things were taken out of context but we got the message that this is a very sensitive and important issue for you and we'll approach and communicate it with more care in the future." Which says nothing either but at least would've given the impression that at least something got through.
Instead we just got...
Please visit your user settings to re-enable images.

The whole problem here is that the newsletter clearly wasn't a "for the sake of argument" pro-con discussion! Allow me to quote p.11 again; "On the opposite end of the scale to vanity items are performance based items such as weapons. They are consumed through gameplay,..." "Selling them though, is highly controversial. We are planning on doing so."

I think it's pretty clear where the focus lies, any and all "creative" methods to gain more revenue from MTs. I expected a more sincere effort at trying to voice a response which at least would've put some of us a little at ease that you may have gotten what a bunch of people are so worked up about.. If that 15 minute write-up is the fruit of a day+ internal discussions, this is worse than I thought.

quave
Caldari
Agent-Orange
Posted - 2011.06.24 21:34:00 - [5998]
 


Kern Walzky
Caldari
x13
Raiden.
Posted - 2011.06.24 21:35:00 - [5999]
 

No to MicroTransactions... CCP Really?? Evil or Very Mad

Thalen Draganos
Caldari
Thunderwaffe
Goonswarm Federation
Posted - 2011.06.24 21:35:00 - [6000]
 

Come on guys. This is the best joke, by far, CCP has ever told!!
Allow me to illustrate:
Eve Players try to sell in-game items for money. Ok
CCP bans them for it and does so for years. Uh huh
CCP then looks back and says, "Hey that's not a bad idea. Maybe we should do that." wait WHAT?
CCP Dev blog basically says Screw you guys we're gonna do it anyway. Priceless!


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