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Marcus Luso
Amarr
Mercenaries of Andosia
Northern Coalition.
Posted - 2011.06.24 21:15:00 - [5911]
 

I am glad they got the entire point we are trying to make and eased all of our concerns in that fantastic dev blog that explained everything... oh wait.

Arya Greywolf
Posted - 2011.06.24 21:15:00 - [5912]
 

"This week has seen quite a controversy unfold. In almost the same instant as we deployed Incarna - which by the way is one of our more smooth and successful expansions, not to mention absolutely gorgeous - an internal newsletter with rather controversial topics addressed leaked out. To further compound the confusion there was a clear and rather large gap in virtual goods pricing expectation and reality with a large segment of the community. I‘m going to address both these issues right here."

- CCP Zulu

Aren't you missing something? Like THE OVERWHELMING DESIRE FOR US PLAYERS TO HAVE THE OLD HANGER VIEW BACK AND HAVE THE CQ AS A "DISEMBARK" BUTTON! Seriously, did you guys even read ANY threads?

Now, regarding the internal document:

"The opinions and views expressed in Fearless are just that; opinions and views. They are not CCP policy nor are they a reliable source of CCP views as a company. The employees who submitted articles to that newsletter did exactly what they were asked to do, write about theories and opinions from an exaggerated stand."

What the hell does this even mean? Did you not see the millionth post asking for confirmation that WE DO NOT WANT REAL MONEY TRANSFER FOR IN-GAME PROGRESSION/ADVANTAGE!? How the HELL is that not answered?

As far as I'm concerned you totally BLEW over the TWO MAIN issues we wanted to have dealt with.

1) An answer to "Are you EVER going to use aurum for an in game advantage/progression" (via internal document)?

2) We want our OLD hanger view back!

After reading the response, I'm extremely upset. No one even cared that much about the damn monocle prices! Did you read the posts? We were mocking the idea of EVEN buying it in the FIRST place!

This is fail. 3 accounts still unsubbed. Sadface.

Tugrath Akers
Posted - 2011.06.24 21:15:00 - [5913]
 

Too many ponies and war decs. Information was passed up incorrectly.

Jefferson H Clay
Posted - 2011.06.24 21:15:00 - [5914]
 

...

72 hours. 3 DAYS. It took you three days to finely craft THAT?

Couldn't you have just written **** YOU and be done with it?

Gordon Hellbender
Posted - 2011.06.24 21:16:00 - [5915]
 

Edited by: Gordon Hellbender on 24/06/2011 21:20:37
Originally by: Miilla
Took you 2 days to write that???

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Dear concerned citizens of New Eden

etc


Thanks,

Arnar Hrafn Gylfason

Senior Producer of EVE Online

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I think someone in the help channel just summed it up perfectly.

Condensing tripe.


Senior producer? You should really leave responding to the public to the PR guys, because your writing will only anger people more. It has, in fact.
Really, to be honest I was expecting a more mature response than this.
It feels like the guy who wrote this put a lot of personal opinion in his writing and is clearly in disgust over the player reaction to the new items for money system.


Certainly lower prices, and probably higher?
Higher? You're mad.
It... really I almost have no words for such audacity.

If the monthly subscription went away, and the game was made free to play, i could understand.. but 30-60$ for some pixel crack is just inexcusable really.

In fact, look at some of those free to play game and their microtransaction systems and you'll see they are a lot more realistic about prices than whoever just invented this AUR system in EVE.

You're trying to do: "expensive items, very low sale count", while you should have gone for "normal/cheap items, high sale count" instead.


Blizzard is able to get away with "mounts and pets for 10-19 euros", but ships as the rumor goes in eve, is a central point of the game.

It probably won't stop there though, and no player is going to accept more than a few of the current changes unless the monthly subscription is changed or removed entirely.
We play a monthly fee to get a certain level of service and new features. If those features are getting locked behind a fake new currency system, then players will - as you have found out, get upset.

I hope some people at CCP are getting fired over some of the current craziness, but I have my doubts.
Market research exists for a reason, be sure to use it.

Also, get a dictionary and look up "micro", you clearly do not understand what a "microtransaction" is and how it works. Obviously it's not "pay an arm and a leg to get something that is only for vanity". Microtransactions, hello ? Micro - it means small, not three months worth of subscription.

Smagd
Encina Technologies
Namtz' aar K'in
Posted - 2011.06.24 21:16:00 - [5916]
 

So, did that answer

Are you moving beyond VANITY AUR items?


Going to Dodixie in a ship named "NO MT FOR EVE" (well BEYOND VANITY ITEMS didn't fit)

XIPHIAS DANI
Posted - 2011.06.24 21:16:00 - [5917]
 

Im sorry, must not have received the memo about Steve Jobs replacing Hilmar Veigar Petursson.

Bilbo II
Serenity Engineering and Transport Company
Fatal Ascension
Posted - 2011.06.24 21:16:00 - [5918]
 

Originally by: Ydnari
Any ETA on getting answers to the questions asked?

Some guy posted a dev blog but he didn't seem to have read anything that's been posted.

Would be good to get some sort of response from CCP.




this about sums up the new blog

Aina O'Sinnor
Posted - 2011.06.24 21:17:00 - [5919]
 

Quote:

I hope I‘ve addressed your concerns and cleared up a lot of the issues you‘re having. We‘ll continue monitoring the forums and other communications channels and pick up and reply if there are concerns not covered by this blog.




LOLWUT?



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Manos Heimenbarger
Posted - 2011.06.24 21:17:00 - [5920]
 

To me this just reinforces the notion that they will bring in items of power. They didn't deny it, even though we have been screaming about it.

Renan Ruivo
Hipernova
Vera Cruz Alliance
Posted - 2011.06.24 21:18:00 - [5921]
 

A thousand times this.

I WANT clothes, i WANT ship skins, i WANT to put my corp logo on my ship.

NO, i do NOT want to pay extra money for it. ISK? Sure. Enough isk to fund my own gameplay for three months? Go to hell


Originally by: Jade Constantine
[Yellow]Sure when you have been playing Eve as long as we have you learn to take the rough with the smooth but you do so with the general feeling that CCP developers understand and “get” what makes Eve great – and that’s the problem now. This internal newsletter (if real) shows that one of the leading developers does not “get eve” does not care about eve, and simply sees eve as a cash cow to be milked ferociously to fund other projects. This is about keeping the golden goose of eve subscriptions (on a drip feed if necessary) while chasing and grubbing every little loose cent he can from the player base.

Let me give you a couple of examples of how this can and does (and has already) impacted our enjoyment of this game:

1. The Captains Quarters – it’s not gameplay its a display cabinet for vanity items. And the price of this display cabinet for you and I is that multi-client performance in stations is now terrible – if you have a bad graphic card it’s a jerk fest – if you have a decent graphics card it’s heat-fest. I can run 3-4 clients with CQ’s turned on – I can run it smoothly – but do I want to? Hell no because my Gtx 580 sounds like its melting my motherboard now! So I need to turn off the CQ’s on multiple accounts and as a result have more limited functionality on those accounts and an ugly wallpaper. No more station environment, no more clicking on my ship to open cargo hold, no more dragging ship to the hanger to board it. The delivery of the CQ vanity item display case has impacted my gameplay.

CCP could have made it optional and given us the option of keeping the old hanger view and added a “disembark ship” option to the UI but “oh no” to do that would have meant we weren’t being forced to look the vanity display case that marketing insisted must be front and centre if we’re to even think about buying these ridiculously overpriced items from the Noble store.

2. If you read the newsletter you’ll see reference to saved fitting slots – and I don’t know about you Verone but in JF we’ve run out of saved corp ship fittings. We want CCP to up the limit but is that really going to happen while the “biz-devs” talk honeyed words about how to squeeze extra income from players for such “minor upgrades.”? How long till we pay aurum for extra corp standing slots? For wardec options? For a usable corp management screen?

3. And who develops these vanity items? Yes thats right its Eve artists and developers whose salary we pay with our subscriptions. Given the choice wouldn’t you rather have engine trails and flashy cyno effect for all players rather than a bunch of overpriced tat in the Aur store for a fleeced few?

Because that is precisely the compromise being made here -> CCP using our subs money to pay for vanity item production they want to sell back to us for greedy prices and it is something you SHOULD get mad about.

So here’s the thing.

The time to fight for the game we love is not in six months time when these concepts have bedded down and CCP is feeling bold enough to start selling Noble Faction ammo and +9 implants. The time to fight is now. Because this newsletter embodies everything that many of us feared but didn’t want to believe CCP were becoming capable of. It is a massive betrayal of the compact we shared as players and developers of this game and indicates that CCP is preparing to leap down a very dark and deep path of self-immolation in the months to come.

I don’t want to see Eve Online die Verone. That sounds dramatic I know, but gameworlds die when the dreams and visions are extinguished and that can happen through a succession of bad ideas foisted on a community by people who really don’t have much of a clue in business.[/

NeoRoanoke
Amarr
Posted - 2011.06.24 21:18:00 - [5922]
 

"We will gradually introduce items at other price points, definitely lower and probably higher than what‘s in the store today."

The question still remains Zulu...

What is meant by other items??? If you mean ships ammo and faction standings than thats crap because it breaks the game!!!

leth ghost
Posted - 2011.06.24 21:18:00 - [5923]
 

CCP MUST HAVE A PROBLEM SEEING YELLOW TRY ANOTHER COLOUR LOL

Carebear with Issues
Posted - 2011.06.24 21:18:00 - [5924]
 

That was the dev blog? You needed time to write that up?

Anyway, time to get back to the funny little question in large yellow font that we'd all like to know the answer to.

Originally by: Miilla
Edited by: Miilla on 24/06/2011 01:47:27




Are you moving beyond VANITY AUR items?




Rakshasa Taisab
Caldari
Sane Industries Inc.
Posted - 2011.06.24 21:18:00 - [5925]
 

That devblog was rather underwhelming... You know how it feels like for normal people to go around shopping for $1000 jeans? It makes us feel poor.

Why would even I, someone who's worth some 200 billion ISK in-game, need to feel like that IN-GAME when considering a monocle?

karrak
Muchacho's
Posted - 2011.06.24 21:19:00 - [5926]
 

Haha what douchebag that blog was. Its like they arent even living on this planet.LaughingLaughing

Baihuigau
Gallente
Skull Brigade
Posted - 2011.06.24 21:19:00 - [5927]
 

Hey guys, we are all golden gooses who aparently wear 1000 dollar jeans in real life ;)

Julien Brellier
Posted - 2011.06.24 21:19:00 - [5928]
 

Why not just admit that you are bored of running EVE, turn the servers off and go make your precious "WoW in space" MMO?

Constantinus Maximus
Paxian Expeditionary Force
Posted - 2011.06.24 21:19:00 - [5929]
 

Originally by: Miilla
Edited by: Miilla on 24/06/2011 21:13:17

"I hope I‘ve addressed your concerns and cleared up a lot of the issues you‘re having. We‘ll continue monitoring the forums and other communications channels and pick up and reply if there are concerns not covered by this blog."



Uhh no? YOU TOTALLY EVADED THE ISSUE.

This says one thing.. CLEARLY

CCP has a plan, they are executing on it, doesn't matter how far customers flex a little. CCP doesn't care, it is their time table and their demise.

No sense in fighting what is already comming, let em screw it up, it's just a game for us, it is a job for them, which is now at greater risk, we have no risk to take. Let em screw themselves.



QFT

Rajere
Immortalis Inc.
Shadow Cartel
Posted - 2011.06.24 21:19:00 - [5930]
 

The tens of thousands of players protesting this farce should be enough of an indicator of just how much damage you've done to your reputation with this. If you think that laughable "apology" devblog has done anything other than do further harm then you're insane.

At the minimum heads are going to have to roll for this. They may have been ordered to write it and yeah they may have to be scapegoats but you need to fire anyone who thinks RMT for in game advantages is anything other than a terrible, game destroying scourge.

You want the big league cash flow you need to deal with big league ramifications for such colossal blunders such as this. This isn't the old days when you were small and things like the T20 debacle could go unpunished and the dev gets to keep his job.

If people aren't losing their job over this then you can expect a drop of 30-50k subscribers over the next month.

PsyBlade
Caldari
Havoc Violence and Chaos
Merciless.
Posted - 2011.06.24 21:19:00 - [5931]
 

Quote:
launch of incarna BS


Sorry, most of us don't want just one CQ, should have gotten us more then just a minnie CQ. Yeah it went smooth, with gd knows how much delay that screwed us EU players over. Sorry, there are smoother launches.

Quote:
Fearless
CCP Zulu talks about fearless and more BS...


The fact something like this has leaked should already make you wonder about how your own employees think or feel, no disrespect to them. Also the moment it was leaked forum threads started to pop up and yet you hardly responded and actually had to call Pann and have her make a parley post, days after it was posted. This is something that cannot happen or be done and you and the rest of the crew should be ashamed it has come to this.

It's uncalled for for any company to keep their memberbase in the dark this long or wait for so long with a response. Even tho alot of eve players hate the Blizzard and their themepark MMO, they are more forthcoming then CCP.

Don't keep your fanbase in the dark, you are losing subs most likely because of all of this and you can only blame yourself for it, lack of communication...

Quote:
CCP Zulu talks about NEX Pricing and claiming we should compare it to IRL prices...


You are sorely mistaken, you think it's okay to go for a $60 monocle and compare it to real life? are you this far removed from reality? sorry to say it but you need to rethink your pricing structure (and maybe talk to some other companies who are doing the same, NCSoft, Blizzard to name a few. They are doing vanity items for a cheaper price and altough still maybe expensive it's working for them.

$60 for a Monocle, never in my life will I pay for it, be it by isk, Aurum or normal cash, never!

Rethink it, asap.

HostageTaker
Gallente
Band of Freelancers
Posted - 2011.06.24 21:20:00 - [5932]
 

FUK YOU *****ES!!!!!!!! I CAN'T HEAR YOU OVER THE AWESOMENESS OF MY $1000 JEANS!!!!!!!!!!

hahahahhahaha

What' a ****ing joke!! Laughing

Smagd
Encina Technologies
Namtz' aar K'in
Posted - 2011.06.24 21:20:00 - [5933]
 

So, did that answer

Are you moving beyond VANITY AUR items?


Going to Dodixie in a ship named "NO MT FOR EVE" (well BEYOND VANITY ITEMS didn't fit)

XXxTiggerxXX
Posted - 2011.06.24 21:20:00 - [5934]
 

We dont need AUR

And if you are going to sell Special Ships and T3 Amoo for AUR you will brake the Game !!!!!!!

The EVE Community will not accept this !!

Maxpie
Metaphysical Utopian Society Explorations
Posted - 2011.06.24 21:20:00 - [5935]
 

Wow, I just read the devblog and I must say I find it has a dishonest feel to it and is most disappointing.

I did however find it hilarious in that it mentioned real life pants, considering that they are selling imaginary computer-game pants at several times the cost of actual real life pants. At least CCP still have a sense of humor (oh wait, he wasn't making a joke).

Kirjave
Gallente
dom spokojnej starosci
YARRR and CO
Posted - 2011.06.24 21:21:00 - [5936]
 

Please visit your user settings to re-enable images.
It took you so long to make that kind of reply? deny everything?

Lynx Amurie
Caldari
CRUX CORPORATE ARMADA
Posted - 2011.06.24 21:21:00 - [5937]
 

Edited by: Lynx Amurie on 24/06/2011 21:24:55
Originally by: CCP Zulu


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Dear rioting idiots,

This week has seen nothing of obvious significance to myself to unfold. In almost the same instant as we deployed Incarna - which by the way is definitely the only reason why I'm even bothering to answer you driveling idiots - an internal newsletter with rather controversial topics addressed leaked out. To further compound the rage there was a clear and rather large gap in virtual goods pricing expectation and reality with pretty much all of you. I‘m going to address both these issues right here. Which are not anything you care about because that's all been answered before, or you just don't care about.

Fearless

Fearless is one of our company values. It‘s also the name of an internal newsletter that has been designed and developed specifically to catalyze discussions on controversial topics. One of the biggest elephants in the room these days, only for the gaming industry as a whole, is virtual goods sales and microtransactions. Something EVE has never had, never wanted to have, and was planned to not have.

Therefore we dedicated an entire issue to exactly that topic. It‘s worth mentioning that the topic of the issue was "Greed is good?" as a way to ask a question that would then be debated back and forth and often exaggerated purposefully to draw contrasts and make points. The result of that is now widely available on the internet.

(snipped)

(snipped pricing nonsense analogy)

We will gradually introduce items at other price points, definitely lower and probably higher than what‘s in the store today. We hope you enjoy them and are as passionate about them as you are of the current items that are for sale. Because they will all affect gameplay because **** you that's why.

I hope I have not addressed your concerns and done nothing to solve the issue at hand. We're peacing out for the weekend, thanks for a great expansion release!

Thanks,

Arnar Hrafn Gylfason

Senior Producer of EVE Online

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Fixed that for you. Oh by the way:

Please visit your user settings to re-enable images.

Chogon Toil
Posted - 2011.06.24 21:21:00 - [5938]
 

Originally by: Rakshasa Taisab
That devblog was rather underwhelming... You know how it feels like for normal people to go around shopping for $1000 jeans? It makes us feel poor.

Why would even I, someone who's worth some 200 billion ISK in-game, need to feel like that IN-GAME when considering a monocle?


CCP doesn't not think EvE is a game. They said so at FanFest. They believe EvE to be real. No. I'm not kidding. They said that.

Transporter Slave
Posted - 2011.06.24 21:21:00 - [5939]
 

Shall I keep saying this until you figure out that, due to your PR-Leak and fiasco, you need to reassure us of this?
And not some half-assed promise...

If so, i'll happily repeat it:
WILL AURUM/DIRECT-MT STAY RESTRICTED TO VANITY ITEMS ONLY?
WILL AURUM/DIRECT-MT EVER SPAWN ITEMS OUT OF THIN AIR?

Viibl Triibl
Posted - 2011.06.24 21:22:00 - [5940]
 

I'm likely the least emotionally excitable person on the forums but that blog post disappointed even me. Way to not address any of the practical issues at hand.


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