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Jarra
Gallente
Twizted Illusion
Posted - 2011.06.24 20:51:00 - [5791]
 

Originally by: Jin Letes
Where's Oprah when you need her? Someone send her a 21-day buddy trial.

YOU get a titan. YOU get a titan. YOU get a titan. EVERYONE GETS A TITAN.



Brilliant hehe, But with so many others that have spoken before me, CCP needs to answer for alot of things and do so clearly.

Miilla
Minmatar
Hulkageddon Orphanage
Posted - 2011.06.24 20:51:00 - [5792]
 

Originally by: Worzel Bummage
Originally by: Miilla
What are we complaining about again?

1. CQ Performance
2. The Door



Arn't you forgetting something?

Sevy Shasha
Posted - 2011.06.24 20:51:00 - [5793]
 

Hi I'm sevy and I'd like to hear from CCP.

Captain Dylan Hunt
Posted - 2011.06.24 20:52:00 - [5794]
 

Originally by: Lofe sXe
FREE MINTCHIP NOW !! !!



Wait! What?!

Mintchip is banned?

TO THE NOVA BOMBS!

Marius Rousseau
Posted - 2011.06.24 20:52:00 - [5795]
 

http://www.eveonline.com/devblog.asp?a=blog&bid=901

that's the dev blog apparently

Care Bear King
Posted - 2011.06.24 20:52:00 - [5796]
 

Originally by: Miilla
Originally by: Sandar Orontur
Actually, the SM3.0 change wasn't silent.


The Mac-specific issue with SM3 was that several cards which hardware-wise *do* carry support for SM3, don't have SM3 capable drivers in OSX. You can Bootcamp on the same hardware and run EvE just fine (by post-Incarna standards) in XP. It's hardly CCP's fault that the OSX driver doesn't support SM3, but messaging was at best poor on the matter. It would not have been difficult to have a test call to something requiring SM3 weeks prior to the expansion to alert people that the system they were playing on would no longer function post-Incarna.

I got burnt by the issue, and I specifically checked the my video card for SM3 compliance when it was announced ages ago. I was unaware of the driver issue until Incarna, however. I had taken the ability to create an avatar on my laptop as evidence that my ****ty old GPU was minimally sufficient.

Scum Bum
Posted - 2011.06.24 20:52:00 - [5797]
 

Free Helicity not ugly blog chick. Bowl haircut skank.

Cap Tyrian
Guiding Hand Social Club
Dystopia Alliance
Posted - 2011.06.24 20:52:00 - [5798]
 

This sums it up. I feel CCP has already stolen my Subscription fees for something that can not be described as Content in any way.

Originally by: Jade Constantine
Sure when you have been playing Eve as long as we have you learn to take the rough with the smooth but you do so with the general feeling that CCP developers understand and “get” what makes Eve great – and that’s the problem now. This internal newsletter (if real) shows that one of the leading developers does not “get eve” does not care about eve, and simply sees eve as a cash cow to be milked ferociously to fund other projects. This is about keeping the golden goose of eve subscriptions (on a drip feed if necessary) while chasing and grubbing every little loose cent he can from the player base.

Let me give you a couple of examples of how this can and does (and has already) impacted our enjoyment of this game:

1. The Captains Quarters – it’s not gameplay its a display cabinet for vanity items. And the price of this display cabinet for you and I is that multi-client performance in stations is now terrible – if you have a bad graphic card it’s a jerk fest – if you have a decent graphics card it’s heat-fest. I can run 3-4 clients with CQ’s turned on – I can run it smoothly – but do I want to? Hell no because my Gtx 580 sounds like its melting my motherboard now! So I need to turn off the CQ’s on multiple accounts and as a result have more limited functionality on those accounts and an ugly wallpaper. No more station environment, no more clicking on my ship to open cargo hold, no more dragging ship to the hanger to board it. The delivery of the CQ vanity item display case has impacted my gameplay.

CCP could have made it optional and given us the option of keeping the old hanger view and added a “disembark ship” option to the UI but “oh no” to do that would have meant we weren’t being forced to look the vanity display case that marketing insisted must be front and centre if we’re to even think about buying these ridiculously overpriced items from the Noble store.

2. If you read the newsletter you’ll see reference to saved fitting slots – and I don’t know about you Verone but in JF we’ve run out of saved corp ship fittings. We want CCP to up the limit but is that really going to happen while the “biz-devs” talk honeyed words about how to squeeze extra income from players for such “minor upgrades.”? How long till we pay aurum for extra corp standing slots? For wardec options? For a usable corp management screen?

3. And who develops these vanity items? Yes thats right its Eve artists and developers whose salary we pay with our subscriptions. Given the choice wouldn’t you rather have engine trails and flashy cyno effect for all players rather than a bunch of overpriced tat in the Aur store for a fleeced few?

Because that is precisely the compromise being made here -> CCP using our subs money to pay for vanity item production they want to sell back to us for greedy prices and it is something you SHOULD get mad about.

So here’s the thing.

The time to fight for the game we love is not in six months time when these concepts have bedded down and CCP is feeling bold enough to start selling Noble Faction ammo and +9 implants. The time to fight is now. Because this newsletter embodies everything that many of us feared but didn’t want to believe CCP were becoming capable of. It is a massive betrayal of the compact we shared as players and developers of this game and indicates that CCP is preparing to leap down a very dark and deep path of self-immolation in the months to come.

I don’t want to see Eve Online die Verone. That sounds dramatic I know, but gameworlds die when the dreams and visions are extinguished and that can happen through a succession of bad ideas foisted on a community by people who really don’t have much of a clue in business.


LordElfa
Gallente
Golden Lyon Warriors
Posted - 2011.06.24 20:52:00 - [5799]
 

Guys, I'm with you all but please stop posting that turd coming out of the butt gif, it's just gross.

Riicca
Posted - 2011.06.24 20:52:00 - [5800]
 

Originally by: Qwyp
Originally by: Lithia Tsanov
Wow... Just wow.

I'm gone "the second" people can pay cash for IG items.




Are you a tard?

you can buy anything in Eve for cash, always have... buy plex for cash sell for isk and buy whatever you want.

i've been buying ships, modules, officer lewtz for cash for many years




There is a cap and ISK price fluctuation on PLEX. All those items were built in game by players. All those items needed to be hauled or otherwise transported to where they would be used thus supporting the environment. Spot the difference? About being tard - think harder.

Balardo
Posted - 2011.06.24 20:52:00 - [5801]
 

Please don't let history repeat itself for the only game i like.

Quote:
We've learned a thing or two with our experiences with the NGE and don't plan on repeating mistakes from the past and not listening to the players.

Poppin' Tittays
Posted - 2011.06.24 20:52:00 - [5802]
 

I look forward to the buyout ccp will be forced into because of this and the failure of Dust 514.

Isis Soryu
Caldari
Universitas Interimo Research
Posted - 2011.06.24 20:52:00 - [5803]
 

Originally by: Qwyp
Originally by: Lithia Tsanov
Wow... Just wow.

I'm gone "the second" people can pay cash for IG items.




Are you a tard?

you can buy anything in Eve for cash, always have... buy plex for cash sell for isk and buy whatever you want.

i've been buying ships, modules, officer lewtz for cash for many years


Apparently you're the tard.

Lavender Chic
Monolith Research
Posted - 2011.06.24 20:52:00 - [5804]
 

Originally by: Mike deVoid
Edited by: Mike deVoid on 24/06/2011 20:49:24
I know it's harsh, but I figured out a Princess Diana analogy in regards to CCP. She also liked walking through minefields and donating to charity, before getting involved with someone she shouldn't have. She died, precedent set.

- Sofia Roseburn


saving it from overmoderation :p

Constantinus Maximus
Paxian Expeditionary Force
Posted - 2011.06.24 20:53:00 - [5805]
 

Edited by: Constantinus Maximus on 24/06/2011 20:54:24
Originally by: Qwyp
Originally by: Lithia Tsanov
Wow... Just wow.

I'm gone "the second" people can pay cash for IG items.




Are you a tard?

you can buy anything in Eve for cash, always have... buy plex for cash sell for isk and buy whatever you want.

i've been buying ships, modules, officer lewtz for cash for many years




Hey there again CCP. Your last post you forgot to change "We" to "They".

SexxxSlave
Posted - 2011.06.24 20:53:00 - [5806]
 

Originally by: Lofe sXe
FREE MINTCHIP NOW !! !!



wait...what? lol

GARRAK
Posted - 2011.06.24 20:53:00 - [5807]
 

Have to agree with this myself

Originally by: Cap Tyrian
This sums it up. I feel CCP has already stolen my Subscription fees for something that can not be described as Content in any way.

Originally by: Jade Constantine
Sure when you have been playing Eve as long as we have you learn to take the rough with the smooth but you do so with the general feeling that CCP developers understand and “get” what makes Eve great – and that’s the problem now. This internal newsletter (if real) shows that one of the leading developers does not “get eve” does not care about eve, and simply sees eve as a cash cow to be milked ferociously to fund other projects. This is about keeping the golden goose of eve subscriptions (on a drip feed if necessary) while chasing and grubbing every little loose cent he can from the player base.

Let me give you a couple of examples of how this can and does (and has already) impacted our enjoyment of this game:

1. The Captains Quarters – it’s not gameplay its a display cabinet for vanity items. And the price of this display cabinet for you and I is that multi-client performance in stations is now terrible – if you have a bad graphic card it’s a jerk fest – if you have a decent graphics card it’s heat-fest. I can run 3-4 clients with CQ’s turned on – I can run it smoothly – but do I want to? Hell no because my Gtx 580 sounds like its melting my motherboard now! So I need to turn off the CQ’s on multiple accounts and as a result have more limited functionality on those accounts and an ugly wallpaper. No more station environment, no more clicking on my ship to open cargo hold, no more dragging ship to the hanger to board it. The delivery of the CQ vanity item display case has impacted my gameplay.

CCP could have made it optional and given us the option of keeping the old hanger view and added a “disembark ship” option to the UI but “oh no” to do that would have meant we weren’t being forced to look the vanity display case that marketing insisted must be front and centre if we’re to even think about buying these ridiculously overpriced items from the Noble store.

2. If you read the newsletter you’ll see reference to saved fitting slots – and I don’t know about you Verone but in JF we’ve run out of saved corp ship fittings. We want CCP to up the limit but is that really going to happen while the “biz-devs” talk honeyed words about how to squeeze extra income from players for such “minor upgrades.”? How long till we pay aurum for extra corp standing slots? For wardec options? For a usable corp management screen?

3. And who develops these vanity items? Yes thats right its Eve artists and developers whose salary we pay with our subscriptions. Given the choice wouldn’t you rather have engine trails and flashy cyno effect for all players rather than a bunch of overpriced tat in the Aur store for a fleeced few?

Because that is precisely the compromise being made here -> CCP using our subs money to pay for vanity item production they want to sell back to us for greedy prices and it is something you SHOULD get mad about.

So here’s the thing.

The time to fight for the game we love is not in six months time when these concepts have bedded down and CCP is feeling bold enough to start selling Noble Faction ammo and +9 implants. The time to fight is now. Because this newsletter embodies everything that many of us feared but didn’t want to believe CCP were becoming capable of. It is a massive betrayal of the compact we shared as players and developers of this game and indicates that CCP is preparing to leap down a very dark and deep path of self-immolation in the months to come.

I don’t want to see Eve Online die Verone. That sounds dramatic I know, but gameworlds die when the dreams and visions are extinguished and that can happen through a succession of bad ideas foisted on a community by people who really don’t have much of a clue in business.



Jake McKay
Posted - 2011.06.24 20:54:00 - [5808]
 

Originally by: Worzel Bummage
Originally by: Miilla
What are we complaining about again?

1. CQ Performance
2. The Door


3: Day 1 noobs will be able to buy a premium ship and the lvl V skills to go with it

Gothikia
Regeneration
Posted - 2011.06.24 20:54:00 - [5809]
 

Originally by: Mike deVoid
Edited by: Mike deVoid on 24/06/2011 20:49:24
I know it's harsh, but I figured out a Princess Diana analogy in regards to CCP. She also liked walking through minefields and donating to charity, before getting involved with someone she shouldn't have. She died, precedent set.

- Sofia Roseburn


Sofia, wow.

Miilla
Minmatar
Hulkageddon Orphanage
Posted - 2011.06.24 20:54:00 - [5810]
 

Originally by: Nemo deBlanc
This dev blog better say some damn nice things. Because if it doesn't? CCP just ****ed away mountains of loyal players, myself included.

In other news... 200 pages before this dev blog. Over half a million views on this thread, for a game with a bit over 300k active accounts.



The "RELOAD EVERY" firefox addon probably accounts for 30% of those views :)


Carmine Lady
Amarr
Sinners.
Yarr Collective
Posted - 2011.06.24 20:54:00 - [5811]
 

Originally by: Lofe sXe
FREE MINTCHIP NOW !! !!




this cannot be true OMFG

:(

;_;

Worzel Bummage
Posted - 2011.06.24 20:54:00 - [5812]
 

Originally by: Miilla
Originally by: Worzel Bummage
Originally by: Miilla
What are we complaining about again?

1. CQ Performance
2. The Door

Arn't you forgetting something?


Nah I don't care about [that other thing]

Amber Villaneous
Posted - 2011.06.24 20:55:00 - [5813]
 

Originally by: Qwyp
Originally by: Lithia Tsanov
Wow... Just wow.

I'm gone "the second" people can pay cash for IG items.




Are you a tard?

you can buy anything in Eve for cash, always have... buy plex for cash sell for isk and buy whatever you want.

i've been buying ships, modules, officer lewtz for cash for many years




You are an idiot and have no clue what you are talking about.

Chogon Toil
Posted - 2011.06.24 20:55:00 - [5814]
 

Originally by: Qwyp
Originally by: Lithia Tsanov
Wow... Just wow.

I'm gone "the second" people can pay cash for IG items.




Are you a tard?

you can buy anything in Eve for cash, always have... buy plex for cash sell for isk and buy whatever you want.

i've been buying ships, modules, officer lewtz for cash for many years




No one minds about that. If you think that's what this is about you need to read about 190 pages.

Andrev Nox
SOMER Blink
Cognitive Development
Posted - 2011.06.24 20:55:00 - [5815]
 

Originally by: CCP Pann
The newsletter was not fake. I guess this is how it feels when someone reads your diary, something you hadn't intended anyone else to see. Not to deflect the heat but to explain why what I'm about to say, I wasn't involved with writing it. The only reason I mention that is because I am not going to presume to know the minds of the people who did have comments in there. I am not going to throw people I love under the bus or to the lions or whatever. I can't/won't answer questions about what they said or why they said it.

Our newsletters are written as a means to bring about discussion (that sometimes can even become heated debate) among our coworkers. That's really all I can say about it. I am not a game designer. I'm a mouthpiece. I'll admit it. By the time I get involved, the decisions have been made. Not making excuses for myself, just explaining.


I'll admit, I stopped reading there. I had held out hope that the sentiments and attitudes in the leaked letter weren't genuine.

I wish you all the luck in the world, CCP - and thank you for the fun and friends I accumulated with you. I truly do hope this new direction works out for you, but it is not a direction I wish to go with you any more.

Fly safe.

Nikita Alterana
Kumiho's Smile
Posted - 2011.06.24 20:55:00 - [5816]
 

this is moving beyond threadnaught into the realm of Threadnarok.

Constantinus Maximus
Paxian Expeditionary Force
Posted - 2011.06.24 20:55:00 - [5817]
 

Originally by: Carmine Lady
Originally by: Lofe sXe
FREE MINTCHIP NOW !! !!




this cannot be true OMFG

:(

;_;


It would be too funny... ban their biggest tard recruiter.... just lol

Lykouleon
Wildly Inappropriate
Goonswarm Federation
Posted - 2011.06.24 20:55:00 - [5818]
 

Originally by: CCP Manifest

CCP Zulu will be finishing and publishing his dev blog in around an hour, but less.
We will start a comment thread, as always.



I don't like saying this...but having CCP Zulu address this is not the wisest choice. His ideas and blogs typically do not go over well with the community.

I await with baited breath, but I expect that this blog isn't going to be what the community wants by a long shot.

Sirus Prime
Caldari
Xero Corporation
SpaceMonkey's Alliance
Posted - 2011.06.24 20:56:00 - [5819]
 

Well, I know damn well no dev is going to read this, but I'm still going to rant the **** out of this. (Yes, I just used vulgar language on the forums but I don't give a damn.)

1. What happened to the promise to never put micro-transactions in Eve?
2. What happened to listening to the players input on the game?
3. What did the CSM say about this when you told them? (You told them, right? Right??)
4. Why are you risking your player base, and the money you make from the players who actually care about this game?
5. Why can some rich kid get around all the work that I had to do over nearly 2 years in a few months?

CCP, if you want us to do this then make Eve FREE TO PLAY. Micro-transactions plus a pay-to-play makes this game too overpriced even for me. Thank you, CCP for ****ing up what was possibly the best game ever made and a game that had so much potential for further improvement. This is truly sad that you have sunk to this level.

Isis Soryu
Caldari
Universitas Interimo Research
Posted - 2011.06.24 20:56:00 - [5820]
 

Originally by: Lykouleon
Originally by: CCP Manifest

CCP Zulu will be finishing and publishing his dev blog in around an hour, but less.
We will start a comment thread, as always.



I don't like saying this...but having CCP Zulu address this is not the wisest choice. His ideas and blogs typically do not go over well with the community.

I await with baited breath, but I expect that this blog isn't going to be what the community wants by a long shot.
Agreed, we should be hearing from Hilmar.


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