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VisKerric
Posted - 2011.06.24 19:19:00 - [5431]
 

Originally by: Captain Travaras
Edited by: Captain Travaras on 24/06/2011 19:13:48
to those that have not yet seen it, the protest in Jita is amazing

here is the link for a live stream

http://www.justin.tv/deamosseraph#/w/1380742320



omfg wow. Im grabbing a boat and joining the protest flotilla! DOWN WITH M.T. !!!!

Twisted Evil

Kary Tamona
Crom Demons
Posted - 2011.06.24 19:19:00 - [5432]
 

I've lost my faith in CCP. The more you delay an answer the harder is gonna be to convince me you can be trusted. Unless you...

- Make WiS a permanently optional feature.
- CCP's CEO gives his word that only vanity items will be sold on the virtual shops, ever.
- CCP's CEO promises that at any one time at least half of the techs will work on improving eve's gameplay. This does not include WiS or virtual shops.

It is Eve players who pay your bills, it is only fair that at least half of the resources WE PAY FOR are devoted to the game WE PAY TO PLAY.

If you want to change our game, fine, let us know and we'll go to another place, but at least have the decency to tell us in the face. No more lying, no more deep throating us with half finished code meant for other projects. We pay to fly ships, not to beta test Dust's virtual shop or vampire clothing.

Kasulli
Posted - 2011.06.24 19:19:00 - [5433]
 

Read my bio.

"The Tiger will be there, when all else are done."

Time to move on I guess - we've obviously lost this battle.

Laxyr
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Posted - 2011.06.24 19:19:00 - [5434]
 

CCP, you guys do realise that our patience is gone...

Please visit your user settings to re-enable images.


Tea Ester Elliot
Posted - 2011.06.24 19:19:00 - [5435]
 

Originally by: Vaerah Vahrokha
Originally by: The Mittani

For me, the long knives come out if they start trying to mess with the gameplay itself with micros. Gold ammo, ships that are different from existing ships statswise, etc.


In case you did not notice, the topic of the protest is exactly the plan at exactly making this.


You have to pardon Mittens for his completely useless tripe posting, he is an active politician.

Pr1ncess Alia
Posted - 2011.06.24 19:19:00 - [5436]
 

Originally by: Xikorita
Originally by: Chogon Toil
Originally by: Lederstrumpf
Originally by: Xikorita
I can't find in the new account management the place to cancel my account. hints?


Wow, interesting. It used to be "hidden" a bit before: You had to change subscription as there was no option to cancel it straight before....

Did they hide it even more with the new frontend, hoping some poor souls keep paying kind of against their will?

Nice.



It's even easier to find now.... Mouse over "account" drop-down and there's a very, very clear option to "cancel subscription."


I canceled my alt's acc. My main I can't. Maybe because I still have 80 days of my sub.


you can still do it, you just wont go inactive until the times up. that's what i did with my one (and only) account

hopefully it sends the right message

Ronin Silfar
Gallente
Posted - 2011.06.24 19:20:00 - [5437]
 

Yea it seems to be spiking. sometimes a bunch get in and we get over 2100 then it goes back down to 1800 and the gate gets locked. I bet they are trying to connect more servers to Jita to keep us from downing it.

Tron Flux
Caldari
Midnite Madness
Posted - 2011.06.24 19:20:00 - [5438]
 

Originally by: Kristina Vanszar
Short Report about the Protest

Jita is closed down noone can enter it.

PEAK 2250 People in Jita,

Pilots staging in HEK and neighboring systems.

greetings from the frontline of Mt-war


2250? That's it? Maybe 5% of the eve subscriber base. Maybe. Good luck with that protest.

MissileBot111
Posted - 2011.06.24 19:20:00 - [5439]
 

this is another 2 accounts that ccp will lose over this micro-transaction rubbish.

Let people waste their money on vanity items, but NOT performance increasing items in what is already a paid subscription game.


Yrielle Vandis
Dust Bunnies
Emergent Avionics
Posted - 2011.06.24 19:20:00 - [5440]
 

To everyone currently making sure noone else can enter Jita:

Thank you very much for holding hostage those people that actually want to play the game, and want to be in Jita for that...
I seriously hope this somehow backfires on you.
If you can't stand the decision by CCP (made or still-to-be-made) on going through with the MT stuff, then just pack up your stuff and leave.

You are exactly those type of players that always seem to tell people to "gb2wow".
Why don't you follow your own advice for once?

Before I get flamed: I am NOT a fan of the MT stuff, and despise it myself, but untill MT stuff remains vanity only, I'll happily pay a supscription fee for this game, with all the shortcomings it has, and will continue to have.
That aside, I'm not a CCP Alt as well, I'm just a ****ed off guy taken hostage by the Whambulance Brigade.

saltrock0000
Posted - 2011.06.24 19:20:00 - [5441]
 

question for everyone,.,


CAN I HAZ YOUR STUFFZ?????YARRRR!!

Tamahra
Gallente
Apina.
United Pod Service
Posted - 2011.06.24 19:20:00 - [5442]
 

Originally by: CCP Pann
As I see it, the chief complaint is regarding the high cost of goods in the Noble Market. Second, many people are unhappy about the Captainís Quarters. Third, there are some performance issues with Incarna. I would appreciate it if you would confirm my observations or tell me what Iím missing, but I do ask that you do it in a productive way.



lol i like how he missed the leaked document in his speech.

Constantinus Maximus
Paxian Expeditionary Force
Posted - 2011.06.24 19:21:00 - [5443]
 

Edited by: Constantinus Maximus on 24/06/2011 19:21:28
Originally by: Lugaedh
I just canceled ths account.

My second deoes not show this option, maybe beacause of my remaining 87day gametime?

Unsub will d more than 100 posts here, i guess...




edit: oh i read wrong... could be yeah... has to be on a credit card/paypal recurring

Inspiration
Posted - 2011.06.24 19:21:00 - [5444]
 

Edited by: Inspiration on 24/06/2011 19:22:05
Originally by: Milkmy Sausage
I ppreciate people are angry but we should be looking at things on balance. Same goes for CQ, it's pointless saying get rid of it because that will anger those people that like it (like me). However, there is a middle ground, i.e space - hanger - cq.


The problem with AUR is that it is connected to PLEX and thus to real world currency. PLEX was designed for pilot (player) license extensions (subscription time) and for that purpose, it works like a charm. For may, buying PLEX with ISK is the main/only method to pay for their accounts. So any additional demand/strain between real live currency and PLEX/ISK is going to negatively affect a sizable portion of the existing player base. Any n00b student of economics can tell you MT affect supply/demand and thus those depending on PLEX.

To give a shocking real world analogy of how bad this plan is!

When the US started to provide subsidies to convert corn (food) into energy inefficient BIO fuels, people depending on corn for their food and life hood became so poor they slided into absolute poverty. Something they worked for so long and hard to get out of in the years before with success. Instantly undone by some corrupt rules that messed with the free market mechanisms. Even more recent, the effects are the uprisings and chaos in northern Africa and unrest in China.

Real life economy and EVE both are a sandbox....mess with it in any way and you do serious harm to people! Be it to the game as or a large world population in real life, the emotions will run just as high! The way CCP is handling this will incite nothing less then a revolt/revolutionary response from their customers! Anyone with half a set of braincells (thats exactly one for those impaired) could have predicted this in advance and only the stupid and disconnected (and thats you CCP) cannot see it!

Adunh Slavy
Ammatar Trade Syndicate
Posted - 2011.06.24 19:21:00 - [5445]
 

Originally by: Tron Flux
Originally by: Anon Forumalt6858


Good. To quote Thomas Jefferson: "When governments fear the people, there is liberty. When the people fear the government, there is tyranny."



Jefferson never said that. Neither did Thomas Paine, Madison, or Jay. It's a completely spurious citation. Not surprising, since it's also completely irrelevant. How can you not understand that you paid money to play a game in a universe totally controlled by a business?


Regardless of the source, or authenticity of the quote, it has value of its own. Clearly CCP is not a government, but the sentiment holds true. CCP is a business, we are their customers. No Customers, No Business.

Though perhaps not an entirely applicable quote, the sentiment is very germane.

Kuronaga
Black Snake Syndicate
Posted - 2011.06.24 19:21:00 - [5446]
 

Originally by: Tron Flux
Originally by: Kristina Vanszar
Short Report about the Protest

Jita is closed down noone can enter it.

PEAK 2250 People in Jita,

Pilots staging in HEK and neighboring systems.

greetings from the frontline of Mt-war


2250? That's it? Maybe 5% of the eve subscriber base. Maybe. Good luck with that protest.


There be more outside, but they keep lockin the gates.

What can ya do, eh?

Milkmy Sausage
Posted - 2011.06.24 19:21:00 - [5447]
 

Edited by: Milkmy Sausage on 24/06/2011 19:21:54
Originally by: Tron Flux
Originally by: Kristina Vanszar
Short Report about the Protest

Jita is closed down noone can enter it.

PEAK 2250 People in Jita,

Pilots staging in HEK and neighboring systems.

greetings from the frontline of Mt-war


2250? That's it? Maybe 5% of the eve subscriber base. Maybe. Good luck with that protest.


You seem to be missing the point it;s not about numbers... there is no jita while this is going on... No trading no nothing...

Brokers Clone
Amarr
Northgate
Posted - 2011.06.24 19:22:00 - [5448]
 

To all Corp Officers - Do CCP a favor, Tell ass of your corp mates... If you see them undock in a ship, or appear on the Forums, wearing a monacle(or anything else identifiable as a novelty item), they will be ejected from the corp.

CCP MIGHT get the message if no one who really PLAYS the game is buying any of this stuff

El'Niaga
Minmatar
Republic Military School
Posted - 2011.06.24 19:22:00 - [5449]
 

Originally by: Tron Flux
Originally by: Kristina Vanszar
Short Report about the Protest

Jita is closed down noone can enter it.

PEAK 2250 People in Jita,

Pilots staging in HEK and neighboring systems.

greetings from the frontline of Mt-war


2250? That's it? Maybe 5% of the eve subscriber base. Maybe. Good luck with that protest.


They've locked the gates the rest of us can't get in....

Magenta Rae
Posted - 2011.06.24 19:23:00 - [5450]
 

Originally by: Chogon Toil
Originally by: Lederstrumpf
Originally by: Xikorita
I can't find in the new account management the place to cancel my account. hints?


Wow, interesting. It used to be "hidden" a bit before: You had to change subscription as there was no option to cancel it straight before....

Did they hide it even more with the new frontend, hoping some poor souls keep paying kind of against their will?

Nice.



It's even easier to find now.... Mouse over "account" drop-down and there's a very, very clear option to "cancel subscription."



There is no "cancel subscription" under "account" on any of my subs. I cannot find any way to cancel anywhere on the management section.

Big Business1
Posted - 2011.06.24 19:23:00 - [5451]
 

Edited by: Big Business1 on 24/06/2011 19:24:01
Originally by: Tron Flux
Originally by: Kristina Vanszar
Short Report about the Protest

Jita is closed down noone can enter it.

PEAK 2250 People in Jita,

Pilots staging in HEK and neighboring systems.

greetings from the frontline of Mt-war




2250? That's it? Maybe 5% of the eve subscriber base. Maybe. Good luck with that protest.


It's 2250 because they have to close the node with gates and everything in order to protect it from a total failure. People get booted and can't log in again, until local drops

Meatay
Night Theifs
Posted - 2011.06.24 19:23:00 - [5452]
 

Originally by: Yrielle Vandis
To everyone currently making sure noone else can enter Jita:

Thank you very much for holding hostage those people that actually want to play the game, and want to be in Jita for that...
I seriously hope this somehow backfires on you.
If you can't stand the decision by CCP (made or still-to-be-made) on going through with the MT stuff, then just pack up your stuff and leave.

You are exactly those type of players that always seem to tell people to "gb2wow".
Why don't you follow your own advice for once?

Before I get flamed: I am NOT a fan of the MT stuff, and despise it myself, but untill MT stuff remains vanity only, I'll happily pay a supscription fee for this game, with all the shortcomings it has, and will continue to have.
That aside, I'm not a CCP Alt as well, I'm just a ****ed off guy taken hostage by the Whambulance Brigade.



welcome to EvE... half of the population's job is to deny means of play to others. For instance, hulkageddon, or sov war, or pirates, or suicide gankers, or war decs, or pretty much everything.

Mittava Ankara Jorma
Posted - 2011.06.24 19:23:00 - [5453]
 

I came to this topic for parlay. Where is it?

Also, CCP, your CCP Pann who oversees PR and Community teams promised us some answers today. I have been kinda waiting for them.

A statement of fact: If micro transactions will at any time effect any ingame systems other than so called vanity items I will cancel all six of my accounts. Not out of anger, but out of not wanting to pay to play something that needs not playing. The part about the pamphlet about friendship time and money is so out of clues I didn't even laugh.

Seriously. A hint: We play to spend our time with this hobby. We won't pay not to spend it and we won't also not pay if others can. How many vanity items will then be sold to a non-existant player base.

Your CFO needs to be fired for incompetence. <- plain fact.

Telion Rethson
Posted - 2011.06.24 19:23:00 - [5454]
 

As I type this, the numbers in Jita are at a little over 2000, with another several hundred waiting to get in. This should show you, CCP, that one hell of a lot of people are SERIOUSLY ****ed off at the fact you are even considering this - and the newsletter suggests your plans have gone past merely considering it. If you fail to take note of this, then you may as well simply close the server tomorrow, because what will happen is that Eve will be the next Star Wars Galaxies, where a very large chunk of the player-base simply leave because of the changes you make, and it will struggle to gain replacements for those players, probably never succeeding. In case you are so incompetent I have to even point this out to you, if you fail to get those replacements, CCP fails to make money, regardless of whether you have microtransactions or not.

bitters much
Nekkid Inc.
Posted - 2011.06.24 19:23:00 - [5455]
 

Originally by: saltrock0000
question for everyone,.,


CAN I HAZ YOUR STUFFZ?????YARRRR!!


I have none left, I bought a monocle


Alexingeras
Posted - 2011.06.24 19:24:00 - [5456]
 

Originally by: El'Niaga
Originally by: Tron Flux
Originally by: Kristina Vanszar
Short Report about the Protest

Jita is closed down noone can enter it.

PEAK 2250 People in Jita,

Pilots staging in HEK and neighboring systems.

greetings from the frontline of Mt-war


Hug the gates next door.

2250? That's it? Maybe 5% of the eve subscriber base. Maybe. Good luck with that protest.


They've locked the gates the rest of us can't get in....

Pr1ncess Alia
Posted - 2011.06.24 19:24:00 - [5457]
 

Originally by: Kary Tamona
I've lost my faith in CCP. The more you delay an answer the harder is gonna be to convince me you can be trusted. Unless you...

- Make WiS a permanently optional feature.
- CCP's CEO gives his word that only vanity items will be sold on the virtual shops, ever.
- CCP's CEO promises that at any one time at least half of the techs will work on improving eve's gameplay. This does not include WiS or virtual shops.

It is Eve players who pay your bills, it is only fair that at least half of the resources WE PAY FOR are devoted to the game WE PAY TO PLAY.

If you want to change our game, fine, let us know and we'll go to another place, but at least have the decency to tell us in the face. No more lying, no more deep throating us with half finished code meant for other projects. We pay to fly ships, not to beta test Dust's virtual shop or vampire clothing.



I think this gets to the heart of many of our feelings.

It's not so much that we even mind having crap betaTested in Eve! They have the opportunity to have the best of both worlds. They can do microT, non sub based game with their vampires, they can test the walking around graphics in eve and provide us with a richer game.

But they seem to want to go full ******. Having a successful game isn't enough, THEY WANT MORE, MORE MONEY, NEVER STOP. Even if they destroy the very company they've spent a decade building.

Because that's all the investors want. More more more. Don't stop for nuthin. If you fail, oh well, on to the next game that has built a name for itself they can suck dry.

Xavier Enlace
Posted - 2011.06.24 19:25:00 - [5458]
 

EVE Online is a game where we fly, combat and do different things with ships on space. Why do you want to change it?

I play EVE cause is a great game where his peculiarity is I can do things with SHIPS. If I want to play with a character that walks, runs, sits and that things I would have an account in WOW or play in Sims 3, Second Life, hello kitty online and that kind of games... Why do you want to set Characters and that stuff into station when the really nice of EVE is OUTSIDE?

Why dont you invest the financial you get into necessary things as fixing bugs, improving the large fleet battles (lag), changing the sovereignty mechanism, etc.?

I don't need see my character running, I don't need change his clothes and his hair/make-up... If I want it, I buy a barbie or go to play sims... You are killing the esence of EVE and I feel defrauded cause im paying for a game that don't improve those important things for me and add new different things which ruin the game.

Now you introduce Incarna... and there is a character walking... but my PC is hottest than before and I dont know what ship I am... and have to press more buttons to open my cargohold/dronebay. I don't have any reference about what ship my character is sitting and only have a sh****tty sad door... That's incredible...

PS: I won't ask about AUR... but that a really awful thing...

Rer Eirikr
Gallente
Clearly Compensating
Concordiat Alliance
Posted - 2011.06.24 19:25:00 - [5459]
 


He11sing
Posted - 2011.06.24 19:25:00 - [5460]
 

Hope eve dies and ccp gose broke.


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