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Constantinus Maximus
Paxian Expeditionary Force
Posted - 2011.06.24 16:49:00 - [4681]
 

Originally by: Lanrick

Originally by: CCP Manifest

You have to admit that some people are vexed about the high cost of the monocle... but not because they would buy one at 3/4 the cost.

I think Pann might have mistyped (as she did with Nobel/Noble) and put that instead of NeX/Microtransaction. That's the chief concern atm, and of course there are the other more immediate ones and of course the longer tail concerns that many of you have mentioned here.


Just stop posting.

EDIT: and get us a dev with straight "yes"/"no" answers.


I think this has gone beyond any dev. This will need to be resolved with a press release signed by an officer of the company commiting the whole entity to a very explicitly stated policy. What exactly will they sell for AUR and what exactly will they never sell for AUR. No more "We have no plans at this time to..." type statements.


If Hilmar attaches his personal liability to it under penality of a big fat class-action and appoints someone to oversee him then maybe.


"of course the longer tail concerns that many of you have mentioned"

So Manifest? You know what the-long-tail is?

Then you'd know that you've already lost the glue that holds it together?

Why didn't you tell the Evegate team about the-long-tail?

Why didn't you talk about it when esculating the CPU/GPU cost so high?

Grey Stormshadow
Starwreck Industries
Posted - 2011.06.24 16:49:00 - [4682]
 

I wonder why making newspost is so hard. Here I write you 2 examples, pick one:

Example 1:
Hey my fellow veteran capsuleers, go f#ck yourselves.

Example 2:
Hey my fellow "greed is good" ccp employers, this brown envelope contains your exit strategy.

See? That wasn't hard. Now do it!

Reptail
Caldari
Posted - 2011.06.24 16:50:00 - [4683]
 

Rabble

Project 001
Posted - 2011.06.24 16:50:00 - [4684]
 

Instead of an in-game protest, we should just do a day without logging in. Have as many people spread the word not to log in on 25.6.11. If we could drop the concurrent user number by a noticeable amount, it would be a nice blip on the graph for them to have to explain.

Miilla
Minmatar
Hulkageddon Orphanage
Posted - 2011.06.24 16:50:00 - [4685]
 

Edited by: Miilla on 24/06/2011 16:50:37

Corporation office rentals, 10,000 AUR PER MONTH.

Wardec's 100,000 AUR a month.



:)


Rex Liberium
Posted - 2011.06.24 16:50:00 - [4686]
 

Originally by: Grey Stormshadow
I wonder why making newspost is so hard. Here I write you 2 examples, pick one:

Example 1:
Hey my fellow veteran capsuleers, go f#ck yourselves.

Example 2:
Hey my fellow "greed is good" ccp employers, this brown envelope contains your exit strategy.

See? That wasn't hard. Now do it!


Hello playerbase prepare to grab ankles and be boarded.

Isis Soryu
Caldari
Universitas Interimo Research
Posted - 2011.06.24 16:50:00 - [4687]
 

Originally by: Adunh Slavy
Originally by: Jaroslav Unwanted

Just because someone got different opinion ? Really ??

Well you can try to explain why. Instead of it. It would be actually far more productive.



Nerves are frayed, some are tired, many have done the explanation many times and are simply tired of doing it. Doubt they meant anything personal by it.

The main over riding issue is that micro-transaction items require virtually no input from the sandbox to create. For example, a ship magically created removes all the potential game play that the production of that ship would have required from the sandbox.

This removal of game play, of value, is taken from the noob miner to the 0.0 miner, to the can flipper to the hot dropper and his 23 SuperCap friends out on a Sunday afternoon drive. Each micro-transaction created item takes a tiny bit from everyone, as more and more MT items are created, those tiny bits add up until the sandbox has no meaning.

Purely cosmetic vanity items, although they could have an impact on certain aspects of the sandbox, they have a far less value at a mechanical level, and thus, have far less mechanical impact on the sandbox.

Although some argue PLEX is a micro-transaction, this is demonstrably false. The ISK for which that PLEX is sold, was collected by someone in the game doing whatever it is they do. Thy put forth an effort and got a reward of ISK. They then trade that ISK for a PLEX. The guy who sold the PLEX now has the ISK, and the other guy has the PLEX. Nothing was added or removed from the sandbox, except the need for one or both of them to break the EULA. CCP profits and the players profit from PLEX.

The only ones who profit from MTs are CCP, and they do so not only at the expense of the $Cash spender, but of everyone in the game that now no longer has the opportunity to participate in the creation of the MT created items.

MTs are theft.
QFT

Vierego
Vierego's Junk Imports
Posted - 2011.06.24 16:50:00 - [4688]
 

This is the thread that never ends, it goes on and on my friend.

Jaroslav Unwanted
Posted - 2011.06.24 16:51:00 - [4689]
 

Edited by: Jaroslav Unwanted on 24/06/2011 16:51:28
Originally by: Novon Toll
I'm just so disappointed in CCP. And I just resub'd the other week for a year. The bummer is I'm actually thinking that was a mistake now...

CCP is blind, deaf and lacks leadership.


Dont make judgement based on what you read on forums. For about an year you got working game whatsoever.

Its the direction it could go which is disturbing, not the near future.

Originally by: Khanid Voltar
Anyone else get the impression that everything the OP said is just words?

How can you have a parley when only one side is talking?


More importantly how can you parley without enemy ?

Di Mulle
Posted - 2011.06.24 16:51:00 - [4690]
 

Originally by: Nix Gravity


Put a clause in the EULA committing to never placing an item in the AUR store that can affect another character.




Hehe, something like this have slipped through my mind.

This can't and shouldn't be done, however. Starting with the fact that legal definition of such thing will be vague at the best.

But way more important, it screams of untrust and suspicion from both sides. It is like living with the gun pointed to each others head. May be thrilling for a while, but then I would ask myself - what forces me to do this stupid thing ? There probably are other places where we don't need guns.

tl/dr, if there is only suspicions, no EULA will help you. Better just to put that thing from it's misery and be done.

Gesadt
Mad Bombers
Posted - 2011.06.24 16:51:00 - [4691]
 

Originally by: Miilla
Edited by: Miilla on 24/06/2011 16:50:37

Corporation office rentals, 10,000 AUR PER MONTH.

Wardec's 100,000 AUR a month.



:)




10k aur for additional hangars

egola
Amarr
Posted - 2011.06.24 16:52:00 - [4692]
 

GUYS, you KNOW they're not gonna read 90% of whatevers gonna be said, what they're doing is just tactical diversion to get you to ALL vent in one thread. do what you all were doing and just complain all you want and unless they address all the issues in its ENTIRETY don't bother stopping.

Yoshitaka Moromuo
Distant Light Galactic
Apocalypse Now.
Posted - 2011.06.24 16:52:00 - [4693]
 

Originally by: Reptail
Rabble
This, quite effectively, sums up most of the content of this thread. Between all of the obscenely large and colored text, gratuitous line breaks, and the people who attack even the slightest bit of politeness offered by a CCP employee, this thread has gone far off its intended direction.

Better to have it locked at this point, until people realize what a request for parley is.

Djan Amitskaw
Posted - 2011.06.24 16:52:00 - [4694]
 

Originally by: Laserham Lincoln
The prices in the Noble exchange are a surprise, but they don't have me terribly upset since I wasn't planning to buy them anyway. More importantly, whether a monocle is ten cents or a hundred dollars (or 100 isk or a billion isk) has no bearing on the core gameplay of EVE.

What has me very concerned is the apparent shift towards trying to be both a subscription model and MT model game. What attracted me to EVE in the first place is the player-driven nature of the economy. No matter how much money you spent on PLEXes, someone still had to mine the veldspar that got turned into the titan you bought. Same with standings, and everything else in EVE. You can turn PLEX into isk, but the things that those isk buy is player created.

A MT model ruins this. The moment you can transfer real money into things that affect the mineral market, PVP, or anything else beyond what your avatar looks like, you've compromised the basic tenets that made this game great.

If you pursue this MT model, I have no doubt that despite all the complaining on the forum, you will sell your MT ships and ammo and weapons, because for many people winning is the only thing that matters. I can only tell you that I will not be one of those people, and that if this comes to pass EVE will not be a game I want to play anymore.


This pretty much sums it up for me.

Republica Winder
Caldari
State War Academy
Posted - 2011.06.24 16:52:00 - [4695]
 

Edited by: Republica Winder on 24/06/2011 16:52:47
Originally by: Miilla
Edited by: Miilla on 24/06/2011 16:50:37

Corporation office rentals, 10,000 AUR PER MONTH.

Wardec's 100,000 AUR a month.



:)




Dropping 5 accounts (4 expired, 1 to go) ZERO Aurum. And $0 dollars.

Watching Soundwave and other jerks quoted in that newsletter file for unemployment: Priceless.


Darveses
Fantastulousification Inc.
Posted - 2011.06.24 16:52:00 - [4696]
 

Originally by: Gesadt
Originally by: Miilla
Edited by: Miilla on 24/06/2011 16:50:37

Corporation office rentals, 10,000 AUR PER MONTH.

Wardec's 100,000 AUR a month.



:)




10k aur for additional hangars


Thats just three PLEX, cheapass. Shocked

Miilla
Minmatar
Hulkageddon Orphanage
Posted - 2011.06.24 16:53:00 - [4697]
 

Originally by: egola
GUYS, you KNOW they're not gonna read 90% of whatevers gonna be said, what they're doing is just tactical diversion to get you to ALL vent in one thread. do what you all were doing and just complain all you want and unless they address all the issues in its ENTIRETY don't bother stopping.


Who cares, CCP PAY for bandwith :) WE PAY CCP so lets use it :)

Kary Tamona
Crom Demons
Posted - 2011.06.24 16:53:00 - [4698]
 

I've lost my faith in CCP. It is gonna be hard to convince me you can be trusted. What can you do?

- Make WiS a permanently optional feature.
- CCP's CEO gives his word that only vanity items will be sold on the virtual shops, ever.
- CCP's CEO promises that at any one time at least half of the techs will work on improving eve's gameplay. This does not include WiS or virtual shops.

We, the one's playing Eve, are the ones footing the bill so it is only fair that at least half of the resources are devoted to the game we are paying for.

If you want to change our game, fine, let us know and we'll go to another place, but at least have the decency to tell us in the face. No more lying, no more deep throating us with half finished code meant for other projects. We pay to fly ships, not to beta test Dust's virtual shop or vampire clothing.

Grey Stormshadow
Starwreck Industries
Posted - 2011.06.24 16:53:00 - [4699]
 

Originally by: egola
GUYS, you KNOW they're not gonna read 90% of whatevers gonna be said, what they're doing is just tactical diversion to get you to ALL vent in one thread. do what you all were doing and just complain all you want and unless they address all the issues in its ENTIRETY don't bother stopping.


This is not venting. This is INCARNAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA


Cipher Jones
Minmatar
Posted - 2011.06.24 16:53:00 - [4700]
 

Originally by: Norian Lonark
Originally by: Lidia Zarmel
I don't see 50% or more of the EVE player base quitting over the CQ problems. I haven't experienced any problems in relates to performance. . .. but I tested everything on CCP's test server.

All of those that are complaining, did you not log into the test server to give CCP feedback on performance issues or other problems? There is a reason why CCP has that in place as it's the best method of Q/A testing having the player base. . . with a wide varity of system platforms to fully test out their product. And I am willing to bet 90% of those with problems never logged to test anything before June 21st.


Personally I don't care about any newsletters supposedly leaked or comments that is against the CQ. This was a foundation and majority of the posts I read tended to level out as nothing more than Drama.

I pay my sub fees every month and enjoy the game for 3+ years now. The captain quarters is a nice add and the only comment I can make on that is I feel CCP should have waited until the station was fully complete. As there is nothing we can do in the CQ other than look at ourselves in the mirror. But I understand the concept.


I just wished the general community further tested this before it went live on TQ. Then the majority of these problems would have been addressed and this expansion wouldn't have been released till those bugs were worked out.


What are you talking about? Please read the posts of what people are actually angry about before commenting on what people are saying.


Why? The OP didn't.

Aina O'Sinnor
Posted - 2011.06.24 16:53:00 - [4701]
 

400k+ reads, 150+ pages, no more blues. It's weekend obviously. Have a nice one.

Manos Heimenbarger
Posted - 2011.06.24 16:53:00 - [4702]
 

They have, what, 8 minutes till regular closing time? I hope they intend to work overtime on this devblog. I didn't expect to have to wait so long for it... Hopefully somebody will pick it apart shortly after it's posted, I don't think will be safe to take it at face value anymore.

Riflin' Betty
Perfunctory
Posted - 2011.06.24 16:53:00 - [4703]
 

Originally by: Miilla
Originally by: egola
GUYS, you KNOW they're not gonna read 90% of whatevers gonna be said, what they're doing is just tactical diversion to get you to ALL vent in one thread. do what you all were doing and just complain all you want and unless they address all the issues in its ENTIRETY don't bother stopping.


Who cares, CCP PAY for bandwith :) WE PAY CCP so lets use it :)


Unbans for 150,000 AUR ?


Mike Voltage
Minmatar
Brutor Tribe
Posted - 2011.06.24 16:53:00 - [4704]
 

please CCP don't destroy EVE

Tugrath Akers
Posted - 2011.06.24 16:54:00 - [4705]
 

Originally by: Project 001
Instead of an in-game protest, we should just do a day without logging in. Have as many people spread the word not to log in on 25.6.11. If we could drop the concurrent user number by a noticeable amount, it would be a nice blip on the graph for them to have to explain.


Unfortunately forum warriors make up a minute percentage of the playerbase. The blip would not even be noticed.

Xenuchrist
STK Scientific
Rolling Thunder.
Posted - 2011.06.24 16:54:00 - [4706]
 

Originally by: Adam Reed
A note of caution: in the newsletter, the main EVE-affecting section was obviously written up as a 'For' and 'Against', with Touborg on one side in favour of non-vanity MTs, and Turbefield on the other against them. While I agree it's hugely dissatisfying to think they're actually considering it, there's little point in crucifying all of CCP because one guy was asked to write the 'For' side of an argument in a newsletter - to essentially simply state his own personal opinion.

If they come out and say they want to introduce it, fine, I quit too. But if they come out and say it's just one guy's opinion and there are no plans to implement it, don't be in any way surprised.


As I stated in a now burried thread:

Quote:

OP and others here whiteknighting CCP over the "Greed is good"-pamphlet, obviously never worked in a larger corporation environment. It simply reeks management fluff-piece designed to steer opinions about an internally controversial topic. The only "debate" being one obligatory piece which pits Hot-shot celebrity dev against one of those (sorry) pesky nerd-devs still living in the last decade.

Throw in a some follow-up memos, a couple of Workshops and a Kick Off, and >80% of staff should be on the ball.



Haida noAzu
Posted - 2011.06.24 16:54:00 - [4707]
 

I like turtles

Isis Soryu
Caldari
Universitas Interimo Research
Posted - 2011.06.24 16:54:00 - [4708]
 

Originally by: Yo****aka Moromuo
Originally by: Reptail
Rabble
This, quite effectively, sums up most of the content of this thread. Between all of the obscenely large and colored text, gratuitous line breaks, and the people who attack even the slightest bit of politeness offered by a CCP employee, this thread has gone far off its intended direction.

Better to have it locked at this point, until people realize what a request for parley is.
And that request has been denied by a lot of rage? What did they expect?

Allyria Kylari
Posted - 2011.06.24 16:54:00 - [4709]
 

Almost 5PM UTC. What's up, CCP?

Ranka Mei
Caldari
Posted - 2011.06.24 16:54:00 - [4710]
 

Originally by: Sannye
Tippia, you have +1 fan from me!
I couldnt have written it as well as you did, very awesome post, spot on!

http://eve.beyondreality.se/NeXCQResponse.html


Yup, the man wrote a good article.


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