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Azelor Delaria
Caldari
We Are So Troubled Everyone Runs Screaming
Posted - 2011.06.24 16:28:00 - [4561]
 

I find it rather interesting that instead of coming to us, they went straight to an on-line publicist. On top of that, they've known this internal newsletter was leaked for days, and only after they go to the "press" do we find out, "Oh hey, bee tee dubs that was only part of the actual newsletter!". You would think when CCP Pann confirmed it's authenticity, she would have mentioned the fact it was just a small portion of a much larger picture?

Am I saying it's impossible for that to be the case? No. But with CCP's well-publicized track record of how they handle things (smearing K-man during the t20 incident rather than owning up to it immediately comes to mind), and their curent lies, I wouldn't put it past them to doctor this kind of "evidence" to try to calm the flames.

Ranka Mei
Caldari
Posted - 2011.06.24 16:28:00 - [4562]
 

Originally by: Le Sabre

Yes they bloody are, get rid of barbie dollars (Aur) now and ditch the mt plans totally.



A.U.R = Another Unwelcome Rip-off

Adunh Slavy
Ammatar Trade Syndicate
Posted - 2011.06.24 16:29:00 - [4563]
 

Originally by: Jaroslav Unwanted

Just because someone got different opinion ? Really ??

Well you can try to explain why. Instead of it. It would be actually far more productive.



Nerves are frayed, some are tired, many have done the explanation many times and are simply tired of doing it. Doubt they meant anything personal by it.

The main over riding issue is that micro-transaction items require virtually no input from the sandbox to create. For example, a ship magically created removes all the potential game play that the production of that ship would have required from the sandbox.

This removal of game play, of value, is taken from the noob miner to the 0.0 miner, to the can flipper to the hot dropper and his 23 SuperCap friends out on a Sunday afternoon drive. Each micro-transaction created item takes a tiny bit from everyone, as more and more MT items are created, those tiny bits add up until the sandbox has no meaning.

Purely cosmetic vanity items, although they could have an impact on certain aspects of the sandbox, they have a far less value at a mechanical level, and thus, have far less mechanical impact on the sandbox.

Although some argue PLEX is a micro-transaction, this is demonstrably false. The ISK for which that PLEX is sold, was collected by someone in the game doing whatever it is they do. Thy put forth an effort and got a reward of ISK. They then trade that ISK for a PLEX. The guy who sold the PLEX now has the ISK, and the other guy has the PLEX. Nothing was added or removed from the sandbox, except the need for one or both of them to break the EULA. CCP profits and the players profit from PLEX.

The only ones who profit from MTs are CCP, and they do so not only at the expense of the $Cash spender, but of everyone in the game that now no longer has the opportunity to participate in the creation of the MT created items.

MTs are theft.

Alissa Solette
Posted - 2011.06.24 16:29:00 - [4564]
 

Originally by: CCP Pann
[...] since I was the one who made the decision to hold off on responding for a while to see if things cooled down once the new wore off.

I was wrong to do that and I apologize. We should have said something much sooner. We should have done more to address your concerns and be forthcoming [...]


Nice to see that you learned from your mistake and are not repeating it right at this moment by not responding in your own threadnaught after having promised to do so.

Are you guys at CCP trying to be this bad or is it really just ineptitude? It's simply bind-boggling.

TorTorden
Amarr
Posted - 2011.06.24 16:29:00 - [4565]
 

Edited by: TorTorden on 24/06/2011 16:30:12
Originally by: Ranka Mei
Originally by: Le Sabre

Yes they bloody are, get rid of barbie dollars (Aur) now and ditch the mt plans totally.



A.U.R = Another Unwelcome Rip-off


signed

Quote:
Are you guys at CCP trying to be this bad or is it really just ineptitude? It's simply bind-boggling.


From what I saw at ff this year, ineptitude.

Ludwig von Mises
Posted - 2011.06.24 16:29:00 - [4566]
 

-Future of MT in EVE

You need to make a crystal clear statement about the future role of MT in EVE and what we can actually expect will be included in the subscription fee in the future and what won't be included.

Vhaine Vhindiscar
Origin.
Black Legion.
Posted - 2011.06.24 16:29:00 - [4567]
 

His name is John Turbefield.
His name is John Turbefield.
His name is John Turbefield.

Tags N Ammo
Posted - 2011.06.24 16:29:00 - [4568]
 

I want to toss this is real fast.

Gamers these days feel like tools. Not people. That's how we're so commonly treated.

Deus Ex: Human Revolution has this nasty gold glow on everything. When videos of that showed up there was less outrage than what I see here, and you know what they did? Posted a YouTube video and said, "we listened to you. The glow on useable objects is now an option. We don't agree with it due to story telling, but you're the fans, you're the customers, so we listened."

That week I pre-ordered DE: HR. A company that listens to me? Sold.

Listen to us CCP. We're people. We're not wallets you can take all you want from. Respect us, listen to us, UTILIZE THE CSM, and you'll find undying loyalty.

Throw these things in our face? Lie to us? Your customer base will reflect those actions.

Mail Order Bride
Posted - 2011.06.24 16:30:00 - [4569]
 

Edited by: Mail Order Bride on 24/06/2011 16:30:01
Originally by: Zverofaust
CCP_OhWell CCP OhWell
We're still in intense meetings... solutions are not easy in this. #tweetfleet #eveonline
1 minute ago


meeting so intense i have the need and the time to tweet

Maximus Trollus
Amarr
The Village Idiots
Posted - 2011.06.24 16:30:00 - [4570]
 

and miila is back from whatever she went doing, which means at least three posts per page which can be roughly translated as "me, me, me... MEEEEEE !!! Look at me. Me me me me me, meeeeeeee !!!!"

Vycra
Posted - 2011.06.24 16:30:00 - [4571]
 

Originally by: Vhaine Vhindiscar
His name is John Turbefield.
His name is John Turbefield.
His name is John Turbefield.


Go speak with this man in your office. He knows what we seek.

Antihrist Pripravnik
Scorpion Road Industry
Posted - 2011.06.24 16:31:00 - [4572]
 

Originally by: KhaosStar
Edited by: KhaosStar on 24/06/2011 16:24:14
2 Subscriptions canceled
Reason: InGame Issues
Reason: Latest Patch
Comments: F**K Incarna

I'm talking with my wallet. I suggest those that are upset with Incarna do the same until the change we want happens.

CCP. This is NOT your game. You made it. We fund it. Without us you have NOTHING. You had better remember that.


4 of my alt accounts are inactive too. I've left my main to "close the door".

Nath Blazek
Minmatar
Native Freshfood
Posted - 2011.06.24 16:31:00 - [4573]
 

Notice a trend here? I don't see very many posters saying I am going to cancel my account. I am seeing what appears to be
an average of 2-5 accounts per poster. I thought I was extreme with 2.

So when you see 30,000 "players" logged on TQ all the time, what you are seeing is 10,000 actual people (or so, too lazy to find the actual figures)

Already there are hundreds of accounts cancelled, the longer you do not respond CCP you are causing the exodus to mount into a full on panic. Are you really gambling the loss of 10-30% of your actual players by remaining silent, or, like us, you are a complete loss, as to what to say after reading something you have a hard time coming to grips with?


FIliphys
Organization of Unallied Capsuleers
Posted - 2011.06.24 16:31:00 - [4574]
 

Posting in truly EPIC thread. 153 pages! Shocked In only 1 day! ShockedShocked

In all seriousness, its good to see that CCP isn't just completely ignoring the situation.

Nix Gravity
Posted - 2011.06.24 16:31:00 - [4575]
 

This is pretty spectacular that they can't commit to posting on a 1-day schedule.

I am entirely unconvinced they can use Alliance Tournament as a shield to protect the evildoers pushing this forward, since this thread is getting more attention than even the good Alliance Tournaments ever did, let alone IX.

I also don't agree with all the people demanding CCP have some mouthpiece to come out stating that they won't move beyond vanity AUR items. They can always change their mind afterwards, or claim that the person was just offering an opinion.

What they need to do now is simple:

Put a clause in the EULA committing to never placing an item in the AUR store that can affect another character.

That way, if you change your mind down the line, we'll know without somebody having to leak an internal newsletter.

Technovar
Gallente
Aliastra
Posted - 2011.06.24 16:31:00 - [4576]
 

Since it's now been 10 pages:

Originally by: Technovar
1. How much of CCP is owned by external investors or venture capitalists?

2. How much of this change has been directed by staff that is not primarily focused on game development, for example external financial oversight staff?

3. Is Joseph Gallo indeed setting the strategic direction of CCP, as claimed on his LinkedIn page?

4. Is Joseph Gallo CFO of CCP as part of an investment agreement, formal or informal?





Miilla
Minmatar
Hulkageddon Orphanage
Posted - 2011.06.24 16:31:00 - [4577]
 

Originally by: Maximus Trollus
and miila is back from whatever she went doing, which means at least three posts per page which can be roughly translated as "me, me, me... MEEEEEE !!! Look at me. Me me me me me, meeeeeeee !!!!"


well, I want to be famous in this huge threadtitan that will be pasted into a wikipage at somepoint under "HOW NOT TO RUN A SUCCESSFUL MMO"


Enuen Ravenseye
Malevolence.
Posted - 2011.06.24 16:31:00 - [4578]
 

Originally by: Isis Soryu
Oh, THAT's why they removed visibility of faction standings... so they can sell them.

And the message is in the open, how long before the Faction Towers are back for Aur?


/tinfoil hat on

It goes deeper: Note the recent changes to probing included in Incarna but never mentioned by the devs. Seems 4 probes aren't cutting it any longer unless you're using Sister Probes. Factional Sister probes. CCP wants to sell in-game items ... you need factional Sister probes ... CCP wants to sell in-game items.

Hmm. Adding 2+2 yet?

/tinfoil hat off

Theocrates
Posted - 2011.06.24 16:31:00 - [4579]
 

Originally by: Miilla
Edited by: Miilla on 24/06/2011 16:28:48


Having never experienced a company die practically over night, then watch as their financials bleed over the next year..

I must admit, I FIND IT FRACKING AMUSING, at this time, even MORE AMUSING than playing eve.


This is another one for the history books, filed under "we told ya so"




CCP isn't dying at all though it would seem the massive ego's here believe so. It's doing just fine and will continue on long after we are all off doing something else. You see with a sandbox when you leave someone else gets to use that patch of sand. Now with shiny shovels.

Demure Guise
Posted - 2011.06.24 16:32:00 - [4580]
 

Originally by: Miilla
Edited by: Miilla on 24/06/2011 16:28:48


Having never experienced a company die practically over night, then watch as their financials bleed over the next year..

I must admit, I FIND IT FRACKING AMUSING, at this time, even MORE AMUSING than playing eve.


This is another one for the history books, filed under "we told ya so"




Seen it all before - I played Hellgate.

Haunting Widow
SKEET ELITE
Posted - 2011.06.24 16:32:00 - [4581]
 

Originally by: Da Gooch

Are you moving beyond VANITY AUR items?



This is the only thing that needs an answer right now, everything else comes second to this vital question, simple as.






Yup.. time to answer the question..

Hint: There is only one right answer.

Question 2: Does CCP know what the answer is?
Question 3: if they do know.. why aren't they saying it and putting water on the fire?
Question 4: Do they know their game is on fire?

I'm getting more upset with CCP still not responding.. I know it's tough to tell your fellow DEVs that they won't EACH get their own playboy mansion... but times are tough.

leth ghost
Posted - 2011.06.24 16:32:00 - [4582]
 

Edited by: leth ghost on 24/06/2011 16:33:29
Originally by: Miilla
Edited by: Miilla on 24/06/2011 16:28:48


Having never experienced a company die practically over night, then watch as their financials bleed over the next year..

I must admit, I FIND IT FRACKING AMUSING, at this time, even MORE AMUSING than playing eve.


This is another one for the history books, filed under "we told ya so"






yeah this is the big wound now and there gunna bleed to death slowly

Jaroslav Unwanted
Posted - 2011.06.24 16:32:00 - [4583]
 

Originally by: FIliphys
Posting in truly EPIC thread. 153 pages! Shocked In only 1 day! ShockedShocked

In all seriousness, its good to see that CCP isn't just completely ignoring the situation.


Welcome to EVE united Universe. Thy asked for it. There it is.

Altho
Feedback****

http://eve.beyondreality.se/NeXCQResponse.html#greed

Maul555
Amarr
Reliables Inc
BricK sQuAD.
Posted - 2011.06.24 16:32:00 - [4584]
 

Just posting for only the 2nd time in this thread to say that I am still watching and waiting for a CCP response about the future of this game that I have invested so much time into... I will try not to spam the forums to blow this thread up any more than it already is.

/epic, to say the least...


Republica Winder
Caldari
State War Academy
Posted - 2011.06.24 16:32:00 - [4585]
 

I think the very survival of CCP is in question now.

SOE has been able to survive the NGE because they had other games, they lost 200K subs from NGE really fast but they still had (at the time) a lot more than that across their other games. Also, SOE is just a division of Sony. So there were a lot more things to keep SOE from collapsing.

CCP is a tiny company (smaller than the company I work for, in fact) EVE is their ONLY source of revenue. They are trying to suck more money out of that in order to finish development on two other games that won't generate any revenue for at least a year.

A big decline in EVE subscriptions and revenue puts not just the two games they have in development in jeopardy but the whole company.

Rixiu
The Inuits
Posted - 2011.06.24 16:32:00 - [4586]
 

Originally by: FIliphys
In all seriousness, its good to see that CCP isn't just completely ignoring the situation.


Because they totally aren't :P

We'll soon see poor CCP Zulu be thrown in front of the bus while the fat executives do nothing.

Erinni Tisifone
TH3 UnT0uChaBl3S
Bang Bang You're Dead
Posted - 2011.06.24 16:33:00 - [4587]
 

this is nice!!!...
CCP Hammer - April Fools

dhunpael
Caldari
Narwhals Ate My Duck
Posted - 2011.06.24 16:33:00 - [4588]
 

Originally by: Nix Gravity

What they need to do now is simple:

Put a clause in the EULA committing to never placing an item in the AUR store that can affect another character.

That way, if you change your mind down the line, we'll know without somebody having to leak an internal newsletter.



this is awesome

Grey Stormshadow
Starwreck Industries
Posted - 2011.06.24 16:33:00 - [4589]
 

Hey CCP Management - Here is new one for you - now with 256 opinnions



Haven't filled yet? Head here

YarrMama
Posted - 2011.06.24 16:33:00 - [4590]
 

Cancelled my 4 accounts. Waiting for the subscription to run out. Maybe if enough people do it, CCP will wake up.


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