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Nishachara
True Enlightenment
Posted - 2011.06.24 16:06:00 - [4441]
 

Originally by: Glyken Touchon
Originally by: Joao Duarte

1. The "CCP employer" expressing his "opinion" is a lead game designer.
That has already removed visibility of faction standings so they can sell them.
That has already moved fittings server side and limited you to 50 so they can sell you more.


This!

And unless stoped, theyll continue to remove features from the game and bring them back with a price tag attached.

Amaise
Raven Lords
Posted - 2011.06.24 16:06:00 - [4442]
 


Pretty obvious P2W has been on their cards for a long time. They wont go back on it one bit. Undoubtedly Sony or the former Citi CFO has a big part in this and not the devs or PR scapegoats. This IS the direction their company is going like it or not. Good luck to them with WoD that audience will go back to being emos RL after a week. A shame they had to sacrifice eve and this community for fail ideas.

PS i wouldnt count on assurances or answers about MT plans

Da Gooch
Posted - 2011.06.24 16:06:00 - [4443]
 

Are you moving beyond VANITY AUR items?



This is the only thing that needs an answer right now, everything else comes second to this vital question, simple as.




Theocrates
Posted - 2011.06.24 16:06:00 - [4444]
 

Originally by: Miilla



♫♪♫♪ Ding Dong... CCP is gone.... ♫♪♫♪





It's a little after noon east coast US time there are 37,716 people playing Eve atm. I think CCP is doing just fine.

Elondris Singh
Gallente
Posted - 2011.06.24 16:07:00 - [4445]
 

Originally by: Eladaris

It also doesn't change the fact that they lied to us about never adding MT a year ago.. even though that promise was broken a scant few months later.

CCP needs to be MUCH more upfront with her playerbase and less worried about hushing leaks that lead up to "wed be burned at the stake by the players."

CCP wouldn't be banning folks left and right if they actually planned on making changes. This is pure spin control, and until they answer the basic question, it's not getting better.


QFT

Miilla
Minmatar
Hulkageddon Orphanage
Posted - 2011.06.24 16:07:00 - [4446]
 

Edited by: Miilla on 24/06/2011 16:07:19
Originally by: Theocrates
Originally by: Miilla



♫♪♫♪ Ding Dong... CCP is gone.... ♫♪♫♪





It's a little after noon east coast US time there are 37,716 people playing Eve atm. I think CCP is doing just fine.


Until the subs run out... and paywalls go up..



PS: there usually is 47k players at this time :)

so its down 10k :)

DeathCam
Unicorn Love Club
Posted - 2011.06.24 16:07:00 - [4447]
 

Originally by: Da Gooch

Are you moving beyond VANITY AUR items?



This is the only thing that needs an answer right now, everything else comes second to this vital question, simple as.





Abdiel Kavash
Caldari
Paladin Order
Fidelas Constans
Posted - 2011.06.24 16:07:00 - [4448]
 

Edited by: Abdiel Kavash on 24/06/2011 16:07:15

Tane Enat
Posted - 2011.06.24 16:07:00 - [4449]
 

When I first read CCP Pann's intervention I was amazed. How could he/she miss the elephant in the room?

1 day after the leaked document that united most of the community in a single claim against their MT plans, CCP Pann appears playing the innocent and the trustworthy with a list of the issues upsetting the community. A list without any mention to the leaked document. Was it a mistake? Let me doubt it.

The thread made by Pann was meant to be large and busy, and in my opinion he deliberately hid the main problem from its first page. How many of you would seek for any Dev answer past page 1 in a 100 pages long thread? What CCP Pann made was misinforming their costumers, and he succeed given the amount of "I love incarna why you mad?" threads.

Now we're waiting for any official answer from CCP, and I for one hope that they don't miss the elephant in the room again.

Xavier Novae
Posted - 2011.06.24 16:07:00 - [4450]
 

Edited by: Xavier Novae on 24/06/2011 16:08:14
CCP thinking of adding Faction towers for AUR?

http://www.eveonline.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=1496995

See last page for response by a GM to a player's petition (basically working as intended). No reason given for faction towers not dropping and no response from ccp.

Cutter Isaacson
Minmatar
Spycotics
Posted - 2011.06.24 16:08:00 - [4451]
 

Any news on a reply yet?

bitters much
Nekkid Inc.
Posted - 2011.06.24 16:08:00 - [4452]
 

Originally by: Miilla



♫♪♫♪ Ding Dong... CCP is gone.... ♫♪♫♪





Soon CCP will charge you for big letters YARRRR!!


Azhpol
Gallente
Casa Del Wombat
Posted - 2011.06.24 16:08:00 - [4453]
 

By the gods this has gotten bad... We even have emos here posting bad poetry in protest.

PLEASE MAKE IT STOP CCP!!! JUST TELL US SO THE BAD POETRY WILL STOP!!!!

Vyktor Abyss
The Abyss Corporation
Posted - 2011.06.24 16:09:00 - [4454]
 

Originally by: Vyktor Abyss


The most important question that needs answering today (poke Hilmar if you need to):

Will you at CCP promise that any "micro-transaction" plans will be permanently shelved regarding any transactions that would give players an in-game advantage or advancement such as standing, ammo, ships, skillpoint boosts etc?


The answer to that question first and foremost determines whether I stay playing eve or not.




You did say you'd answer questions today. Thanks.

Carmine Lady
Amarr
Sinners.
Yarr Collective
Posted - 2011.06.24 16:09:00 - [4455]
 

Originally by: Cutter Isaacson
Any news on a reply yet?


not by the looks of it.

Marlenus
Ironfleet Towing And Salvage
Posted - 2011.06.24 16:09:00 - [4456]
 

Just canceled my subscriptions on all three five-years-old accounts.

For me it's not about the megamicrotransactions, although that's pants-on-head.

For me, it's about yet another "expansion" that reduced my spaceships-game functionality, rather than expanding it.

I stopped believing CCP would iterate on the beloved old content long ago. But now I've also stopped hoping.

Thanks for all the fish.

SNeAkYbRiT
Gunslingers Corp
Posted - 2011.06.24 16:09:00 - [4457]
 

Originally by: Xavier Novae
Edited by: Xavier Novae on 24/06/2011 16:08:14
CCP thinking of adding Faction towers for AUR?

http://www.eveonline.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=1496995

See last page for response by a GM to a player's petition (basically working as intended). No reason given for faction towers not dropping and no response from ccp.


Damn is that why they took engine trails out as well? wonder how much they'll charge to get them back? lol

Pat Morrison
Posted - 2011.06.24 16:10:00 - [4458]
 

Originally by: Midnight Hope
I'm not sure I fully understand what all the outrage is if "microtransactions" have been with us for a long time now.

Bear with me for a bit. The way I understand microtrnsactions is "dollars for game items". According to CCP's ideas, we would be able to buy a faction carrier using RL money... or trained skills... or standings.

Well, we can do that already through PLEX. I buy PLEX using RL money, sell it for isk and then with that isk I buy a fully specced carrier V toon and with the spare change I go and buy a faction fitted Archon for him. We've been able to do this for a while. I bet more than one alliance buy their officer fittings for the Alliance Tournament through PLEX.

So maybe the issue is just the prices? If they chage $80 for a vanity item, how much will they charge me for an Archon? $500?

I think the "microtransactions for vanity items only" battle was lost when they introduced PLEX.


Your basic misunderstanding here is that anything that is bought with PLEX->isk comes from a player, supporting the player economy. That PLEX then eventually goes to keep another player in the game.

Directly spawned ships for Aurum (and that's what they're talking about, at the very least for some months - the process to trade a ship for the skinned version isn't working) bypasses the player economy, avoids logistics, and damages the game.

Ammo and ships for Aurum make tactics, particularly covops tactics, a vastly different thing.

Paying for standings will have all sorts of interesting unintended results, few positive.

Miilla
Minmatar
Hulkageddon Orphanage
Posted - 2011.06.24 16:10:00 - [4459]
 



Eve Customers will flex a little, they have, they accepted vanity items in the NEX store, they accepted the PLEX, but game changing MT items, they won't budge on most likely. CCP has a plan, they are executing on it, doesn't matter how far customers flex a little. CCP doesn't care, it is their time table and their demise.

No sense in fighting what is already comming, let em screw it up, it's just a game for us, it is a job for them, which is now at greater risk, we have no risk to take. Let em screw themselves.

I have no problem with this at all, really, I have 110 days remaining, I just hope CCP don't go bankrupt between now and 110 days time, after that, I don't care if they get layoffs. Not my problem really.


I plan to have fun all the way out, if that fun means laughing at CCP and their employees, Fine by me, Just another form of fun.

No sense in being miserable over it, it's not worth it, and neither are CCP.


When the rats trolls leave the game, that is a time to worry, really, it is.






TODO:

1) Play Eve
2) Watch CCP's demise - IN PROGRESS
3) Watch real train wreck to compare with item 2)
4) if no train wreck available, perhaps a ship sinking to compare witn item 2)


Le Sabre
Gallente
The Dead Canary Mining Corporation
Legion of Honor
Posted - 2011.06.24 16:10:00 - [4460]
 

Edited by: Le Sabre on 24/06/2011 16:10:12
Page 150 snipe Very Happy

Darn you Lady Laughing

Reed Tiburon
Caldari
Future Corps
Sleeper Social Club
Posted - 2011.06.24 16:10:00 - [4461]
 

Originally by: Kaeda Maxwell
CCP: I'm not on the verge of quitting right now. I don't like jumping the shark.

What I would like is a very clear; "No we will not now and not ever sell any item for RL cash that will give an ingame advantage over other players". And the pledge will have to come from somebody at board level like Hilmar for it to still have any credibility to the player base at this point I think.


They will not say it. Mark my words.

What they might say is: "No we will not (for now) sell any item for RL cash that will give an ingame advantage over other players."

Then 6 months later, SUDDENLY GOLD RIFTER.

Ospie
Ransom and Kill
Core.Impulse
Posted - 2011.06.24 16:10:00 - [4462]
 

Originally by: Le Sabre
Page 150 snipe Very Happy


Missed :o

Pr1ncess Alia
Posted - 2011.06.24 16:11:00 - [4463]
 

Originally by: Vyktor Abyss
Originally by: Vyktor Abyss


The most important question that needs answering today (poke Hilmar if you need to):

Will you at CCP promise that any "micro-transaction" plans will be permanently shelved regarding any transactions that would give players an in-game advantage or advancement such as standing, ammo, ships, skillpoint boosts etc?


The answer to that question first and foremost determines whether I stay playing eve or not.




You did say you'd answer questions today. Thanks.


The real question is, if CCP promised, would you believe them?

I was a FW nut when it was released. That expansion brought me back to eve.

All they said was "ITS GOING TO GET BETTER!" "WE WILL CONTINUE TO DEVELOP THIS!"

FLAT
OUT
LIES

They have to work to gain my trust back.
I take nothing at face value anymore.

Pierced Brosmen
Priory Of The Lemon
Posted - 2011.06.24 16:11:00 - [4464]
 

Edited by: Pierced Brosmen on 24/06/2011 16:11:23
I remember back in october, when T'amber resigned from his alternate position at the CSM and sold his corp, character and stuff in a protest against microtransactions in EVE.

Back then I felt that he was just overreacting. I was sad to see him go as I loved his SOE events, but kinda thought that this was a bit of a brutal reaction to something that wasn't even confirmed...

Besides... Microtransactions for vanity items wouldn't be a big deal... they are MICROtransactions after all...


Well, now we're here, in the GD MegaThread and I'm sitting here thinking. "T'amber, if you still follow the forums... Forgive me for thinking you were being silly, and that I didn't log into the forums to support you back then" Embarassed


Joao Duarte
Selflessness
Posted - 2011.06.24 16:11:00 - [4465]
 

Thank you for your bugreport - ID112429 Title: PVE: Faction Starbases and Faction POS modules are not longer available.
We were not aware of this problem, and have used your bugreport to create a new issue in our defect tracking system.


Preparations to sell faction towers for AUR?

Aineko Macx
Posted - 2011.06.24 16:11:00 - [4466]
 

Edited by: Aineko Macx on 24/06/2011 16:12:22
Hi guys,
hows the Crowd Control going?

Originally by: Tippia
You no longer have the confidence of the community. You have managed to contradict and suppress yourself into a position of zero trustworthiness. This is not something you can PR yourselves out of it requires a drastic change in organisational culture (good luck), a drastic change in communications strategy (good luck), and, yes, quite possibly killing some of your darlings (tough luck).

This.
Originally by: Trebor Daehdoow
Well, given that most of the current threadnaughts could probably have been largely avoided if CCP consulted CSM in advance

That assumes they actually react to your feedback. Also, as stated before, this is not a communications issue. It's the result of multiple bad strategic decisions.

SolusLunes
Caldari
2plus2isfive
BricK sQuAD.
Posted - 2011.06.24 16:11:00 - [4467]
 

Edited by: SolusLunes on 24/06/2011 16:12:02
http://imgur.com/s5GYN

Fred Barbossa
Free Mineral Collective
Posted - 2011.06.24 16:11:00 - [4468]
 

Eve, a game where you need to pay $30 a month because two accounts is necessary for half the game play. Then they introduced a cash shop where you need to spend an additional $30 a month to fly ships that dont explode when premium members look at you.

Zarak1 Kenpach1
Minmatar
Aperture Harmonics
Posted - 2011.06.24 16:11:00 - [4469]
 

CCP must think of its employees as serfs and slaves if they make their opinions and ideas trade secrets.

Does CCP give out shares to their employees and if so how many? Can CCP employees actually pull off voting in bloc for a new board and CEO?

Mag Theron
Open University of Celestial Hardship
Art of War Alliance
Posted - 2011.06.24 16:12:00 - [4470]
 

My word - 150 pages, the respose to this is definitely going to be ... interesting


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