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Milkmy Sausage
Posted - 2011.06.24 15:35:00 - [4291]
 

Originally by: Chogon Toil
What I'm ok with:
AUR / ISK for in-game benefits: $50 for a full set of +6 implants? Cool. X Aur / Isk for +x% damage implant? Cool. Slightly better ships, alright, fine. Better ammo? Fine. Etc. If the benefits are minor and not huge and reasonable in price (a minimum wage worker in any country could afford a few of such items a month).

What I'm NOT ok with:
Aur / Isk for gate tolls, buying SP, paying Isk / Aur for things we get now, already, for free such as docking in a station.

Also: FIX WHAT'S BROKEN BEFORE YOU ADD MORE!

P.S. CCP, please keep in mind this is a universe you've made. Something you called not a game but REAL LIFE at FanFest. Real life does not change on a whim with every gust. Minor additions we, the PLAYERS, see coming from a mile away is fine. Huge sweeping changes dropped on us anytime you like? Not. Cool.


I think you're on the wrong side of the picket line buddy. AUR for vanity ONLY

Ragnar Wintermute
Posted - 2011.06.24 15:35:00 - [4292]
 

Guys, it is KEY that you respond now.....

I'm only going to watch this ridiculous thread for so long before I get tired and probably never come back to this site. I want a reason to resubscribe and your company is hemorrhaging...

Bischopt
Posted - 2011.06.24 15:35:00 - [4293]
 

Originally by: Morgan Polaris
Blog will be "holy **** players dudes man, you're right... we'll do some soulsearching... but this AUR is cool man, it's like, woooooo, the future man".

Just drop AUR. Trash the code.


That. Please.

Master ore
Posted - 2011.06.24 15:35:00 - [4294]
 

Two accounts continuasly active since 2004, both unsubscribed as soon as present subscription period ends.
Thankfully Bioware have a MMO due fairly soon, and thier record for quality games is superb. Planescape Torment,Fallout to Mass effect. Baulders Gate to Dragon Age,nothing more needs saying.

Mechael
Minmatar
Helhest 1st Prospectors' Collective
Posted - 2011.06.24 15:35:00 - [4295]
 

Originally by: Joe Skellington
Originally by: Mirage Excelsior
Random reply but has to be said.

First Point: Yes PLEX is a form of MT (here is the important part) >>>>> BUT <<<<< buying a PLEX and selling it for ISK to buy your Titans, or Chelms Cap Rechargers, ONLY enables you to buy something that already exists.

ISK = Buy what already exists within the game.
/
PLEX = /$/Monopoly money
\
AUR = Break out your Harry Potter wizards play set and poof, **** appears.


Second Point: CCP is now in the hands of the Investment Bankers, the very same people that caused the financial situation that everyone but themselves are enduring right now.

Eve Online is no longer by gamers, for gamers.
Eve Online is now by B(W)ankers for profit, screw the little man.


basically what happened to Blizzard when Bobby Kotick took over.


That was a sad, sad day. I remember how much I used to like Blizzard. Before the activision merge. Before Blizzard North left. I really hope that nothing of the kind is happening in CCP.

Republica Winder
Caldari
State War Academy
Posted - 2011.06.24 15:35:00 - [4296]
 

Originally by: Dealth Striker
No reply from CCP yet - too bad. I really love this game.


They already replied, earlier in this thread.

The cash shop and aurum are here to stay.

So we have two options: suck it, or make CCP (damn, I nearly typed SOE there) suck it.

I choose the latter

-5

Pr1ncess Alia
Posted - 2011.06.24 15:35:00 - [4297]
 

"You have cancelled your EVE Online subscription.

Your account will be suspended at the end of the current subscription period, expiring on XXXXXXXXXXXX."


To be clear, this is nothing to do with CQ so much as it is the repeated feeling with each patch that your trying to sell me a constant stream of half-assed new stuff with no commitment to past features added.

Why should I be excited about new shineys when the past shineys get dull so fast, and receive so little attention?

Fool me once, shame on you. Fool me repeatedly for 7 years, shame on me.

But you'll keep telling us "THIS IS GOING TO GET BETTER! WE'RE GOING TO IMPROVE ON THIS" until you find another shiney to wave in our faces, another game to develop with our subscription money.

SHOW YOUR COMMITMENT TO EXCELLENCE OR I'LL NEVER FEEL MOTIVATED TO CLICK ON RESUME SUBSCRIPTION.

In fact, i feel kinda good now that I did it.

A good business should be a healthy relationship between the company and it's customers. Customer's should feel taken care of, not milked for every last drop, tricked and scammed by repeated broken promises.

Smiling to our faces and promising your focus is on Eve, while throwing our money towards things that, had we known, we'd never have given you the money to begin with.


It's just like being in a bad relationship with a woman.
Just because you love her doesn't mean it's healthy.
At some point you just have to get out or your only hurting yourself.

Good luck with your ps3 fps and emo vampires.

I hope it keeps you in business, there are many good ppl at CCP i'd hate to see fail because of your misguided, short-term earnings based thinking.

Ana Vyr
Caldari
Posted - 2011.06.24 15:35:00 - [4298]
 

Tippia's rebuttal is bang on.

Marcus Vorenius
Caldari
Task Force 42
Posted - 2011.06.24 15:36:00 - [4299]
 

Originally by: Nikodiemus
FRIENDS! There is a reason for this horrible incident and lack of communication and salesmanship.

CCP Hiring New Chief Marketing Officer

Someone should apply since CSM is obviously bull**** and kill the lies from within.


Was there a Chief Marketing Officer before? Normally Sales & Marketing reports to the CFO - this just proves that CCP new business plan is already being implemented ... or that they realised the current CFO is an incompetent money grabbing coward.

El'Niaga
Minmatar
Republic Military School
Posted - 2011.06.24 15:36:00 - [4300]
 

Originally by: Jaroslav Unwanted
Originally by: Thermoss Devlin
Sorry CCP but I can't bare to pay for something like this. The only way you ware getting my subs back is if you step up and tell the truth and fix the issues stated above.

-T


While i see the reason why... I strongly suggest not just to you but everyone to lighten up a bit. The spiral of hatred is vicious as we saw in this thread.


CCP's silence is what's fueling the fire.

I mean how hard is it to say I'm sorry, this is what our idea was, etc?

They so far are handling it like they have most everything. Post a thread, make a few replies for about 12 hours. Never visit the thread again. Hope the fire burns out. It's worked in the past for many minor issues but this time I don't think it's going to work.

They are no doubt waiting to put out a release at the last possible moment before they all go home, which will no doubt fuel the fire even more since it means no real debate or parley it is just a statement and then a stonewall.

I mean it would go a long way if CCP Soundwave just appeared said, Hey guys I'm sorry for the tone I took that was offensive in the leaked magazine. It was never intended to be released to the public and as such I used what was unprofessional language. The intent was to raise debate. As a result of that debate you'll get further information from other blogs shortly.

Something like that would go a long way to helping, yes he'll be flamed, but also when you sincerely ask for forgiveness people generally give it.

Morgan Polaris
Posted - 2011.06.24 15:36:00 - [4301]
 

Edited by: Morgan Polaris on 24/06/2011 15:36:01
Originally by: Chogon Toil
What I'm ok with:
AUR / ISK for in-game benefits: $50 for a full set of +6 implants? Cool. X Aur / Isk for +x% damage implant? Cool. Slightly better ships, alright, fine. Better ammo? Fine. Etc. If the benefits are minor and not huge and reasonable in price (a minimum wage worker in any country could afford a few of such items a month).


Hehe, you're already negotiating with yourself. Weak, addicted mind.

JAK480
Posted - 2011.06.24 15:36:00 - [4302]
 

When I read the newsletter at this part:

Kristoffer is a driving
force in CCPs Game
Design department.
The vast majority of
his free time is spent
buying dresses for
his characters (using microtransactions)
in League of Legends and reading
authentic Japanese Manga comic books.

I thought, buy him a Barbie or Ken (whatever he prefer) and get rid of him!

Most stuff is already mentioned in this thread, so why I post?
To show CCP one further guy is taking care and want answers!
I personaly gues it's really to late late for empty frases apologieses, you now have to live with the ghosts you called CCP.

Answer our questions, tell how you gonna trade with us now, don't fool us further and write further posts without saying anything like the first in this thread.

Taipan Leviathan
Dark Star Confederation
The Ancients.
Posted - 2011.06.24 15:36:00 - [4303]
 

****, i just scrolled to every page from 30 to 144 looking for dev responses, and I found none.
Please stop spamming, I dont want to sift to another 30 pages consisting of 90% useless ****posts just because i went to have dinner.



Thanks.


And CCP needs to respond NOW.

Takaedeatchy
Caldari
Southern Cross Trilogy
Flying Dangerous
Posted - 2011.06.24 15:36:00 - [4304]
 

If the rumors below become true im out of here


Quote:

Also, rumors says it that there are many things planned for the Noble Exchange, that are interfering with the game, like Aur for standings, Aur for ships, Aur for skills etc. That is just plain and simple wrong and if something like that enters the game, then I no longer recognize the game I fell in love with and it will be the end of my career in New Eden... I would really ask for some clarification on what's planned for the future of the NeX Store.

Lucilla Giulia
Posted - 2011.06.24 15:36:00 - [4305]
 

Originally by: Eladaris
SWG's NGE might have hurt Sony Online... but they're very much stil around and kicking as a company.


CCP is not Sony (right?)

SNeAkYbRiT
Gunslingers Corp
Posted - 2011.06.24 15:36:00 - [4306]
 

Originally by: Jaroslav Unwanted
Originally by: Thermoss Devlin
Sorry CCP but I can't bare to pay for something like this. The only way you ware getting my subs back is if you step up and tell the truth and fix the issues stated above.

-T


While i see the reason why... I strongly suggest not just to you but everyone to lighten up a bit. The spiral of hatred is vicious as we saw in this thread.


That what happens when people wake up and find themselves being royally screwed...when peeps have enough they rise up and topple who ever is imposing crap on them.

Watch the news and you'll see it all over the middle east.

Im not saying the management will fall but their income will.

OSGOD
Posted - 2011.06.24 15:36:00 - [4307]
 

Originally by: Jaroslav Unwanted
Originally by: Thermoss Devlin
Sorry CCP but I can't bare to pay for something like this. The only way you ware getting my subs back is if you step up and tell the truth and fix the issues stated above.

-T


While i see the reason why... I strongly suggest not just to you but everyone to lighten up a bit. The spiral of hatred is vicious as we saw in this thread.


you to are a ccp employee hiding behind an alt f,u,c,k off paying customers a ****ed and its not goping away what you have done is going to put everyone on eve`s payroll out of work and some obviously duboius investors pulling out the guns for a please explain where all the paying customers went you bunch of idiots

Ranka Mei
Caldari
Posted - 2011.06.24 15:37:00 - [4308]
 

Originally by: Chogon Toil
What I'm ok with:
AUR / ISK for in-game benefits: $50 for a full set of +6 implants? Cool. X Aur / Isk for +x% damage implant? Cool. Slightly better ships, alright, fine. Better ammo? Fine. Etc. If the benefits are minor and not huge and reasonable in price (a minimum wage worker in any country could afford a few of such items a month).


Um... NO!!

And so it begins. :(

Jaroslav Unwanted
Posted - 2011.06.24 15:37:00 - [4309]
 

Originally by: Master ore
Two accounts continuasly active since 2004, both unsubscribed as soon as present subscription period ends.
Thankfully Bioware have a MMO due fairly soon, and thier record for quality games is superb. Planescape Torment,Fallout to Mass effect. Baulders Gate to Dragon Age,nothing more needs saying.


Single player RPG and MMO .. different beast.. But i hope they succeed. Many people looking for that.

Still i prefer my EVE.

Della Monk
Broski Enterprises
Posted - 2011.06.24 15:37:00 - [4310]
 

Originally by: Lucilla Giulia
Originally by: Eladaris
SWG's NGE might have hurt Sony Online... but they're very much stil around and kicking as a company.


CCP is not Sony (right?)


Right. CCP doesn't have a massive consumer electronics division to fall back on.

Erinni Tisifone
TH3 UnT0uChaBl3S
Bang Bang You're Dead
Posted - 2011.06.24 15:37:00 - [4311]
 

Edited by: Erinni Tisifone on 24/06/2011 15:38:24

EVE TRANQUILITY STATS....just look at the "ALL TIME DAILY AVERAGE"...

...you must look at that in the other side... ;)

Istyn
Tactical Knightmare
Posted - 2011.06.24 15:37:00 - [4312]
 

Edited by: Istyn on 24/06/2011 15:38:01
Originally by: Jaroslav Unwanted
Originally by: Istyn

-snip epicness-



Your post makes me laugh.. Allways on spot Very Happy


Accepting donations to fund pony feed.

EVE playerbase reading the newsletter:

Please visit your user settings to re-enable images.

I'm Down
Posted - 2011.06.24 15:38:00 - [4313]
 

am i wrong in thinking it's 24 minutes to 5pm in Iceland now?

Ancyker
Test Alliance Please Ignore
Posted - 2011.06.24 15:39:00 - [4314]
 

So I was on massively and they had a link to the now infamous newsletter, which I thought I had already read on evenews24.

But it said something about "missing pages". This peaked my interest so I downloaded it to compare to the first one. There are actually 20 pages in total in the original. It's pretty much the same thing, it appears the pages themselves were not edited, but pages were removed which dropped the context of the remaining pages. So while I'm still upset at those individuals my anger towards CCP as a whole has diminished.

The most notable line is:

DISCLAIMER: The views put forward in this magazine do not reflect general CCP company policies or decisions and are strictly individual opinions, written by CCPers or about CCPers who feel strongly about these issues. This is confidential internal information. Please respect that every company has its trade secrets and that you are privy to those at CCP.

Though it still upsets me that certain individuals at CCP think as outlined in the PDF, I do feel a little better with that simple paragraph. It definitely opens the door for them to fix it, where before I didn't see a chance in hell of that happening.

Compare them for yourself:
EVENews24.com Version
Original Version

The tldr difference is basically this is just asking people within CCP their opinions on the matter and doesn't actually represent any actual plans. I still want confirmation in writing and signed by the CEO himself before I believe anything that CCP says, but I'm a bit less ragequit-y now.

While this doesn't restore my trust/faith in CCP, it damages what little I had to start with in evenews24. Ok, well, I never actually trusted evenews24 at all, but now I definitely won't ever trust them :P

EVIL SYNNs
Wrath of Fenris
Narwhals Ate My Duck
Posted - 2011.06.24 15:39:00 - [4315]
 

Originally by: Chogon Toil
What I'm ok with:
AUR / ISK for in-game benefits: $50 for a full set of +6 implants? Cool. X Aur / Isk for +x% damage implant? Cool. Slightly better ships, alright, fine. Better ammo? Fine. Etc. If the benefits are minor and not huge and reasonable in price (a minimum wage worker in any country could afford a few of such items a month).

What I'm NOT ok with:
Aur / Isk for gate tolls, buying SP, paying Isk / Aur for things we get now, already, for free such as docking in a station.

Also: FIX WHAT'S BROKEN BEFORE YOU ADD MORE!

P.S. CCP, please keep in mind this is a universe you've made. Something you called not a game but REAL LIFE at FanFest. Real life does not change on a whim with every gust. Minor additions we, the PLAYERS, see coming from a mile away is fine. Huge sweeping changes dropped on us anytime you like? Not. Cool.


Great you've broken EVE.. well done.

People run missions and they sell +5's and that pays for their eve, so they happy to do the hard work. I buy some PLEX and get ISK... and I purchase those +5's. The mission *****s get their money.. I can afford the plex.. everyone is happy.

Why would you buy from them for isk when you can just purchase it from the air. So they stop using their LP for +5's and start using it for Damage implants.. oh wait.. you can buy them too, ah well they are done.. AND LOG OFF AND NEVER COME BACK!

As soon as something enters the economy from fresh air... There is no reason to rat, no reason for industrial to make stuff... it JUST ARRIVES..

So well done.. miss the whole point in this argument.

If it comes from fresh air it kills the economy. As soon as the economy dies.. There will be no industrial... no industrialism = we all end up paying RL MONEY for stuff...

If thats what CCP want.. (as it looks like) FINE.. Eve will just be another game that people will play for 2 months and go and play something else.

Grog Barrel
Posted - 2011.06.24 15:39:00 - [4316]
 

Originally by: Chogon Toil
What I'm ok with:
AUR / ISK for in-game benefits: $50 for a full set of +6 implants? Cool. X Aur / Isk for +x% damage implant? Cool. Slightly better ships, alright, fine. Better ammo? Fine. Etc. If the benefits are minor and not huge and reasonable in price (a minimum wage worker in any country could afford a few of such items a month).



why were you playing EvE instead of the **** loads of korean generic piece of crap, which gives you **** loads of "slightly better" adventages?

Well, now it will make sense.

DaRuLe
Caldari
Posted - 2011.06.24 15:39:00 - [4317]
 

Originally by: I'm Down
am i wrong in thinking it's 24 minutes to 5pm in Iceland now?

15.38 to be exact (ehr,. 3.58pm)

Dopesick
Minmatar
The Ankou
Raiden.
Posted - 2011.06.24 15:39:00 - [4318]
 

This is going to be a movie someday...

Aganola
Amarr
Pangalactic Punks n' Playboys
HUN Reloaded
Posted - 2011.06.24 15:39:00 - [4319]
 

Originally by: Erinni Tisifone
Edited by: Erinni Tisifone on 24/06/2011 15:38:24

EVE TRANQUILITY STATS....just look at the "ALL TIME DAILY AVERAGE"...

...you must look at that in the other side... ;)
the stat is in reverse...

Da Gooch
Posted - 2011.06.24 15:40:00 - [4320]
 

This smells very much like APB Reloaded though that is a free game they sell improved weapons and soon to be cars for real life money, lets just say everyone was enjoying the return of APB Reloaded in early Beta, then they introduced this MT crap, i and many of my friends in apb have quit, uninstalled and dont miss the game 1 single bit.. you will always have rich kids who can buy the better "thing" in a game, but let me tell you something, the rich kid who can buy or will buy the better goods will also get bored of the game very very quickly. as for the guy who cant afford it, the die hard, the one who spends his entire free time in the game? well he will quit without much question, and you know what? he would have been your longterm payment.

do the maths ccp, is a few stupid MT transactions more profitable over years and years of subs from diehards? i dont think so, and anyone who does is simply ignorant.


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