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Whim Aqayn
Posted - 2011.06.24 19:28:00 - [31]


There's no reason to.

Posted - 2011.06.24 19:35:00 - [32]

Micro with a caveat, purely cosmetic and not for plex. Make aurum a currency you can buy with cash.

You get the same subscription fee i'd pay to any other mmo, no special treatment to prevent doing something you haven't done for the last 8 years anyways. It goes up, I pay with plex until I can't afford the plex (which would be fast, considering an increased subscription fee would skyrocket plex prices) then I unsub.

Emperor Cheney
Celebrity Sex Tape
Posted - 2011.06.24 20:05:00 - [33]

Yes. With the caveat that a higher sub price will make me expect more in the way of content.

2 weeks ago, I would say "micro" because I never imagined CCP would consider introducing game-affecting items. But now, unfortunately, I see that vanity items are just a starting point, and as such they are a starting point that cannot be allowed.

It's a shame, because properly done, microtransactions could be both a great revenue stream, and unobtrusive. Almost every player in this game would pay for a ship paint job. How cool would corp bomber jackets be? Corp uniforms? But as of now, I don't trust CCP with scissors.

Jehvan Sunburnadire
The Forgotten Legion
Redrum Fleet
Posted - 2011.06.24 20:16:00 - [34]


Phoebe Halliwel
Posted - 2011.06.24 20:26:00 - [35]


1. CCP are spending a major chunk of Eve subscription revenue on developing DUST and WoD.

2. The policy of rolling out new, buggy content in Eve is already a source of annoyance, whilst ignoring older mechanics that are critial to gameplay.

3. Eve is designed so that many players need multiple accounts, as a result it's already one of the most expensive MMOs on the market.

Why should subscribers voluntarily pay more revenue to CCP that will NOT be used to improve Eve. They don't appear to be listening to the CSM, or the playerbase. They iterate on crap that the players don't want. All this proposal does is throw money at a problem that cannot be fixed until CCP change their agenda.

Lead Faith
Posted - 2011.06.24 20:27:00 - [36]

Micro Cosmetic-only

Vordak Kallager
Autocannons Anonymous
Posted - 2011.06.24 23:04:00 - [37]

Yes. Account 1
Yes. Account 2

Obviously the standards of CCP's updates and community service would be higher to accompany this higher subscription fee.

Posted - 2011.06.24 23:12:00 - [38]


Zen Jardo
Merkhan Industries
Anarchy Unlimited
Posted - 2011.06.24 23:35:00 - [39]


Gh0st Hunters
Posted - 2011.06.24 23:45:00 - [40]

Edited by: KoffeeKup on 24/06/2011 23:56:19
Edited by: KoffeeKup on 24/06/2011 23:51:39
I would say yes, but I'm changing my mind. Eve is a great game and could get more subscribers if CCP fixed Incarna to be what the players want. If you build it they will come. We, the players will tell our friends and love this game forever and always as long as we feel satisfied with what CCP has produced. The reason I left Wow was because of the care CCP directed to its players not shown in other MMOs. Currently I am beginning to doubt CCPs ability to provide what we want and it doesn't have to do with how much money I give them.

Interplanetary Expeditions
Posted - 2011.06.24 23:58:00 - [41]


ONLY if the microtransaction market is completely optional to the player base - to participate in it or not, that is the question. I personally prefer not to.

I didn't come to EVE to pretty up an unrealistic virtual persona of myself - if I wanted to do that I'd go create a Second Life.

Posted - 2011.06.25 02:38:00 - [42]

Die.........slowly and in pain

Quantum Cats Syndicate
Posted - 2011.06.25 03:15:00 - [43]

Edited by: Mattio11 on 25/06/2011 03:29:06

However this vote is flawed. You need a 4th option for VANITY ONLY.

Originally by: Hans Jagerblitzen
Vote MICRO if you would prefer to implement *optional* microtransactions (cosmetic or otherwise) instead of increasing subscription fees.

It is clear that you, yourself, disagree with MT and you have therefore cleverly designed the voting options for this thread so that people will be forced to choose YES or NO which is exactly what you want them to do. This thread is biased and stupid and should be either fixed or deleted.

There are many players who probably can't afford to pay for an increase in subscription fees and there are many players who don't want players to be given an unfair advantage by buying character enhancing items via microtransations - you are taking advantage of this.

Furthermore there are a lot of people who are mis-informed and who have been fooled by outrageous speculations and rumors - no facts.

There is nothing wrong with VANITY items. IT WILL NOT AFFECT YOU and your ability to play the game (the only problem with the latest expansion is the Captain's Quarters being to hardware hungry - this is another issue). If players want to spend money on fashion accessories then good for them - it's their choice; and if CCP can generate some extra income then good for them! THEY DESERVE IT!

CCP has worked long and hard for us (many selfish) players to provide the game we love and have given us many many FREE awesome expansions and improvements. It is their goal to create the ultimate online sci-fi experience FOR US and if we can help them achieve that goal, then we should!

Uriel Dragonhand
Vera Cruz Alliance
Posted - 2011.06.25 03:28:00 - [44]

Yes, provided that it is reasonable.

Phain Death
Goonswarm Federation
Posted - 2011.06.25 04:50:00 - [45]


EVE subscriptions are already at the high end of MMOs. It's obviously profitable, evidenced by EVE providing enough revenue to be developing two new ambitious titles simultaneously.

Lilliana Stelles
Nagrom Security Syndicate
Posted - 2011.06.25 05:04:00 - [46]


Many games that use MT are able to drop subscription fees entirely.

Posted - 2011.06.25 06:48:00 - [47]

Originally by: Rin Ji
....if the "need" is explained coherently.

yes and +1 to Rin Ji

The Wyld Hunt
Cascade Imminent
Posted - 2011.06.25 09:01:00 - [48]


Implementing MT already and obviously they don't care about their clients, and they are caught in the mainstream of we need more ISK damned, we need to pay for tons of stuff but I so want to see their annual Balance Sheet and see how much goes to their " Investors "

Posted - 2011.06.25 09:11:00 - [49]


They are using their revenue to develop cash farms like DUST and World of Darkness at the same time. Not many companies can do that. One would think 1 title was enough and use the rest of the money to improve eve and get even more players...but NOOOO...Greed is supreme.

Tai Xi
Posted - 2011.06.25 10:26:00 - [50]


they already invest our/my money in crap i do not want and doesn't even effect eve in a way i want.

i am speaking of the dust514 bull**** - we are paying 3? 4? years development of a game which will be pay-to-win. WTF PLS

they should use their ****ing money they get through eve use !FOR EVE!

Goat Holdings
Posted - 2011.06.25 10:49:00 - [51]

Originally by: Tai Xi

they already invest our/my money in crap i do not want and doesn't even effect eve in a way i want.

i am speaking of the dust514 bull**** - we are paying 3? 4? years development of a game which will be pay-to-win. WTF PLS

they should use their ****ing money they get through eve use !FOR EVE!

^^ this NO

Kara Audanie
Posted - 2011.06.25 10:59:00 - [52]

Everyone, please read and ask yourself, should you invest more money on this company?


NorCorp Enterprise
No Holes Barred
Posted - 2011.06.25 13:49:00 - [53]

Originally by: Kara Audanie
Everyone, please read and ask yourself, should you invest more money on this company?


In a way true, but seriously if we can stop this kinda behavior a few euro increase in sub fee is acceptable. So i say Yes x 3

Life. Universe. Everything.
Clockwork Pineapple
Posted - 2011.06.25 14:15:00 - [54]


the fee is high enough as it is.

Chris Otsada
Posted - 2011.06.25 14:33:00 - [55]

Edited by: Chris Otsada on 25/06/2011 14:34:39
Edited by: Chris Otsada on 25/06/2011 14:33:31
One for each account.

If you want to spend $20 for your avatar to have a skirt, then go for it. If there is going to be more than just cosmetic MTs, then I would be willing to pay more to keep the MTs out of the game.

Posted - 2011.06.25 14:43:00 - [56]


I don't want to spread the extra money they want to get from vanity items across all of us in the way of subscription fees instead.

Micro is fine as long as it's only for vanity and cosmetic stuff. The day that we get any kind of pay-to-win system is the day I quit. Heck, I don't really care if I can buy a megathron from MT as long as it's plex -> Aurum -> Megathron, and as long as that megathron is no better (statistics wise, not looks) than any other megathron I can make using BPs. Seems like a bit of added redundancy since you can go plex -> isk -> Megathron but meh.

I have no problem with CCP trying to make extra money, but not with increased subscription fees or MT that involves paying for better stuff than the rest of us get.

The RipperToad
Posted - 2011.06.25 15:15:00 - [57]

Edited by: The RipperToad on 25/06/2011 15:16:57
Wow, just wow. You're like the beaten housewife making concessions and telling yourself he still loves you. For the love of god grow a pair will you!?

EVE is already one of , if not the most, expensive subscription based MMO's out there.

ITT Golden Geese.

Arias Dren
Posted - 2011.06.25 16:38:00 - [58]


Sorry, but the world lets WoW get away with charging for expansions, while they recoup their enitre production costs for the release within a day or two after it lands. THEN people CONTINUE paying subs till the next robbing takes place.

Every EVE player pays almost the full amount that other developers charge for a one-off, fully priced AAA title... and they do that every 2 MONTHS. That PAYS for expansion development. That pays for the design and implementation of new features (clothing, etc.), and that pays for server maintenance and admin.

For additional money to be justified for development, or justified in allowing feature-use privileges, CCP would have to explain what exactly we pay our subs for. And also... why their new content production pipelines are so inefficient to require this scale of recompense.

Sorry, but what is going on here is exactly the same : a total -disconnect- between the proportional value of commercial media (in this case, 'features' within a game) and it's commensurate value in real world money.

Diva Bara
Posted - 2011.06.25 16:52:00 - [59]

HELL NO to increased sub fees. YES to Microtransactions as long as they don't affect gameplay balance.

Eve sub is expensive as it is (60 days World of Warcraft = $30, 60 days Eve = $35) plus due to stupid restriction of one training character per account most people actually pay two or more accounts. I believe this situation is quite unique in MMO world, where so many MMO's struggle financially, often resorting to free to play model before going out of business completely. In contrast to that loyal Eve player base goes out of their way and gladly pay for several accounts, but that loyalty has its bounds...

Black Rise Security Division
Posted - 2011.06.25 17:04:00 - [60]

but i believe that some information about why they need more money and how they plan to use them would be useful.

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