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Gen Kumon
Caldari
Naqam
Shaktipat Revelators
Posted - 2011.06.27 20:43:00 - [31]
 

It's hardly that simple. Master Kuvakei is Nation, but Nation is also Master Kuvakei. He has the collected wisdom of every single mind within Nation to draw from. He is...beyond mere humanity now, as are all within Nation. Don't make it sound so...limited.

Aria Jenneth
Caldari
Kumiho's Smile
Posted - 2011.06.27 20:58:00 - [32]
 

Originally by: Gen Kumon
Master Kuvakei is Nation, but Nation is also Master Kuvakei. He has the collected wisdom of every single mind within Nation to draw from. He is...beyond mere humanity now, as are all within Nation. Don't make it sound so...limited.


To draw from-- yes, I could believe that. And he can do so more quickly than most rulers seeking advisors, I would think.

I also greatly doubt that he truly respects the advice of any of them.

A man more given to humility would not have created the creature Kuvakei has. Nation is the child of arrogance, and might just be the strongest example in history of the destructive character of overweening pride.

What's worse, bound to him as it is, Nation will, over time, be subjected to its master's disillusionment, his frustration, his despair. Kuvakei is indeed but an imperfect creature, however great the resources at his fingertips. The perfection he seeks will elude him, even if he claims victory over all humankind.

And since the Nation collective lacks a will of its own....

Through defeat or through victory, his pride will be the death of you, pilot. And of all of us, if we are defeated.

Gosakumori Noh
Amarr
Viziam
Posted - 2011.06.28 01:32:00 - [33]
 

Originally by: Gen Kumon
Words are wasted on your, Pilot Noh. You hold your faith up as a shield to deflect anything that would conflict with your worldview, including, if not especially, facts.


The primary fact to which I refer, of course, is that faith has survived for tens of thousands of years - including the complete collapse of civilization in this cluster. Do you contend that survival to not have happened?

Ironically, your existence within "Unity" would perpetuate faith through even the (currently difficult to visualize) scenario of Nation Triumphant. Your present understanding of why is not required, for the shaktipat may reveal itself to any being, regardless of prior befuddlement.

Grace shines most graciously ascendant.

Sinti Vailatti
Khanid Provincial Vanguard
Posted - 2011.06.28 04:59:00 - [34]
 

If there's all this "unity" in the Nation, how come Niraia and Ghost Hunter are squabbling like an old married couple?



ValentinaDLM
Minmatar
Ubi Concordia Ibi Victoria
Posted - 2011.06.28 11:12:00 - [35]
 

Originally by: Gosakumori Noh

The primary fact to which I refer, of course, is that faith has survived for tens of thousands of years - including the complete collapse of civilization in this cluster. Do you contend that survival to not have happened?


I know this wasn't directed at me but...

The faith that you refer to, is merely the rationalizations and justifications of people who seek power, and furthermore, there is no benevolence in it, evil acts abound, and the Amarrian god does nothing, with the faithful referring to "free will" as the cause, in that case the Amarrian god is evil by default for allowing such free will.

The reason why it has survived so long, is merely that it is part of the power structure that society has built itself on. It is however, and incorrect and flawed ideology, that will eventually fade away as the organizational structures that support it lose power.

The Nation will prevail, because the Nation really does seek to preserve the best interests of the people within it, and will do so, without regard to individual egos. It is for this reasons that in the end, after the faithful are long gone, there will still be no death in Nation.

Nachshon
Caldari
Tribal Liberation Force
Posted - 2011.06.28 15:19:00 - [36]
 

There is no utopia. There never can be. So long as men have free will, they will fight one another. To give up that free will would be like dying - it would destroy what makes us human.

The Republic isn't perfect. But we are free to improve ourselves. To work and fight for a better tomorrow. Just as humans have done for thousands of years.

Gosakumori Noh
Amarr
Viziam
Posted - 2011.06.29 01:07:00 - [37]
 

Originally by: ValentinaDLM
The reason why it has survived so long is merely that it is part of the power structure that society has built itself on.


At least you recognize Faith has a history of survival. Against that history (which includes one collapse of Nation already), you effectively insist "this time, it will be different." Contrary to the assertions of your inestimable colleague, I make a factual argument. Your (ironically named) organization expresses a desire.

Now, it happens there is - in fact - a crisis in the cluster.

Nation is not that crisis. Rather, the cluster's response to Nation, along with other recent events, betrays a pervasive rotting of the collective spirit. There is no danger Nation will overwhelm all civilization for all time, because Nation is further progressed in this disease (indeed, it resembles the Jovian plague) than the general population. My commitment to Faith has not lessened this past year. Where has the messianic fervor of Nation's "loyalists" gone in that time? If you can't last a year, you're not going to rule eternity.

The Sword of the Righteous must strike at Nation not because Faith is in danger of being destroyed for all time by Sansha Kuvakei. It must strike because Faith has purpose, and increasingly, Man does not.

Boma Airaken
Seekers of a Silent Paradise
Posted - 2011.06.29 02:00:00 - [38]
 

I'll tell you exactly what Sansha's dream is.

It is exactly what Ocilan was trying to prevent.

Kor Shivat
Minmatar
Brutor Tribe
Posted - 2011.06.29 02:57:00 - [39]
 

Originally by: Boma Airaken
I'll tell you exactly what Sansha's dream is.

It is exactly what Ocilan was trying to prevent.


That is an intriguing interpretation of prophecy.


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