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Revan Neferis
Amarr
Propaganda Due
Posted - 2011.06.24 13:57:00 - [61]
 

Originally by: Sinjin Mokk
Being Sani Sabik is reason enough in the Empire, but mass murder always helps garner additional hatred.

I view this as a win-win.




Answered you in the other thread. Go and take a look so you dont commit the same mistake.
And yes it's always a win win situation between me and myself.

PS: I wouldn't pay 1 isk on that terrible bad looking thing. God heaven's your heresy!


Revan Neferis
Thrice-Illustrious Sovereign
Sani Sabik


Sinjin Mokk
Stillwater Corporation
Posted - 2011.06.24 14:07:00 - [62]
 

Originally by: Revan Neferis
Originally by: Sinjin Mokk
Being Sani Sabik is reason enough in the Empire, but mass murder always helps garner additional hatred.

I view this as a win-win.




Answered you in the other thread. Go and take a look so you dont commit the same mistake.
And yes it's always a win win situation between me and myself.

PS: I wouldn't pay 1 isk on that terrible bad looking thing. God heaven's your heresy!


Revan Neferis
Thrice-Illustrious Sovereign
Sani Sabik




Yes, we seem to be split in our conversation.

And yes, I know...dreadful looking things. I prefer my bright blue optical implants. Old-school, yet classic. I'm glad the monocle fad is over.


Revan Neferis
Amarr
Propaganda Due
Posted - 2011.06.24 14:11:00 - [63]
 

Originally by: Sinjin Mokk
And yes, I know...dreadful looking things. I prefer my bright blue optical implants. Old-school, yet classic. I'm glad the monocle fad is over.




At least not so heretic as I thought you to be!

Revan Neferis
Thrice-Illustrious Sovereign
Sani Sabik

Nick Bete
Gallente
The Scope
Posted - 2011.06.24 14:54:00 - [64]
 

Originally by: Tigerfish Torpedo

I certainly hope so too! All of my friends are already there!

But, for calling me a bootlicker, I feel the need to share the seventh circle of hell with you, my friend. Here's a simple choice... I'm looking for a new slave to serve me and my guests onboard my flagship, and will kidnap one hundred Matari freed men and women to fulfill my every demand and whim, unless of course you care to volunteer yourself? I'd be content with just you in their stead, considering that you place your own moral position so highly!

Isn't life wonderful?

Tigerfish.



Do as you will you sadistic coward. The blood will be on your hands not mine. I will have no further conversation with you as doing so would only serve to feed your sick ego.

Valerie Valate
Amarr
Church of The Crimson Saviour
Posted - 2011.06.24 16:57:00 - [65]
 

U is another open letter. So is capital G.

Originally by: Sinjin Mokk
Independent, objective proof.


Seldom is in this sort of thing. I've seen it happen before. Someone says "I also saw this happen", and they get accused of being a liar or a conspirator, or a lying conspirator, or a conspiring liar. Ask for proof, and then accuse the proof provider of being a liar. Tedious.


Revan Neferis
Amarr
Propaganda Due
Posted - 2011.06.24 17:12:00 - [66]
 

Originally by: Valerie Valate

Originally by: Sinjin Mokk
Independent, objective proof.


Seldom is in this sort of thing. I've seen it happen before. Someone says "I also saw this happen", and they get accused of being a liar or a conspirator, or a lying conspirator, or a conspiring liar. Ask for proof, and then accuse the proof provider of being a liar. Tedious.




It's a loyalist without argument and full of ignorance. They can be nothing but tedious. always.

On that note, I invite those interested on the outcome to follow my Top Model thread. Developments will continue to be posted there as th test of faith of one of 2 of my candidates.

Revan Neferis
Thrice-Illustrious Sovereign
Sani Sabik

Aldrith Shutaq
Amarr
Knighthood of the Merciful Crown
Posted - 2011.06.24 21:57:00 - [67]
 

From killing Amarrians, to killing slaves, to ohmygoodnesfasionshow.

Remember kids, fur is murder.

And annoying Revan is mass-murder!

Revan Neferis
Amarr
Propaganda Due
Posted - 2011.06.24 22:27:00 - [68]
 

Edited by: Revan Neferis on 25/06/2011 13:01:17
Originally by: Aldrith Shutaq
From killing Amarrians, to killing slaves, to ohmygoodnesfasionshow.


You forgot to add: double profit! Isk ISK isk.

Originally by: Aldrith Shutaq
Remember kids, fur is murder.


Monocles too!

Originally by: Aldrith Shutaq
And annoying Revan is mass-murder!


Specially when you do it in the right way, making it profitable!

PS: want a monocle?

Revan Neferis
Thrice-Illustrious Sovereign
Sani Sabik



Rodj Blake
Amarr
PIE Inc.
Posted - 2011.06.25 11:07:00 - [69]
 

Originally by: Raze Valadeus

Also, harming non-militant citizens in the wake of your vengeance will only make you a greater evil than that which you hunt.


Describing Amarrian slavers as evil is an odd position for someone claiming to be loyal to the Empire to take.

Raze Valadeus
Amarr
Knighthood of the Merciful Crown
Posted - 2011.06.25 13:40:00 - [70]
 

Originally by: Rodj Blake
Originally by: Raze Valadeus

Also, harming non-militant citizens in the wake of your vengeance will only make you a greater evil than that which you hunt.


Describing Amarrian slavers as evil is an odd position for someone claiming to be loyal to the Empire to take.


It is indeed. I was merely explaining the situation from their perspective, Admiral Blake. If they did not consider slavery, and subsequently those who practice it, as evil, then they wouldn't be so vehemently declaring the up and coming consequences to all the aforementioned practitioners of slavery.

Therefore, from their perspective, slavers are evil. Hence the wording of my statement.

Che Biko
Humanitarian Communists
Posted - 2011.06.26 01:03:00 - [71]
 

Thank you, lady Nefaris, by pointing me to that single glimpse of your competition you confirmed that I should pay no further attention to it.

Sinjin Mokk
Stillwater Corporation
Posted - 2011.06.26 03:40:00 - [72]
 

Originally by: Raze Valadeus
...Therefore, from their perspective, slavers are evil...


Cheers!



Lyn Farel
Knighthood of the Merciful Crown
Posted - 2011.06.26 11:57:00 - [73]
 

Originally by: Sinjin Mokk
Originally by: Raze Valadeus
...Therefore, from their perspective, slavers are evil...


Cheers!





Says the man that turned into an Angel. This is ludicrous.

N'maro Makari
Posted - 2011.06.29 20:28:00 - [74]
 

Originally by: Lyn Farel
Originally by: Sinjin Mokk
Originally by: Raze Valadeus
...Therefore, from their perspective, slavers are evil...


Cheers!





Says the man that turned into an Angel. This is ludicrous.


Well are'nt you quick to judge.

N'maro Makari
Posted - 2011.06.29 20:30:00 - [75]
 

To any of the Amarr reading: Do you understand why it is people treat you with hostility? Putting aside the question of wether it is right or wrong, for the moment.

Raze Valadeus
Amarr
Knighthood of the Merciful Crown
Posted - 2011.06.29 21:16:00 - [76]
 

Originally by: N'maro Makari
To any of the Amarr reading: Do you understand why it is people treat you with hostility? Putting aside the question of wether it is right or wrong, for the moment.


Captain Makari,

As you well know, I have some respect for you. However, the question above is impossible to answer correctly because it is entirely relative. There are any number of reasons why people will treat an individual, group of people or an entire species with disdain or hostility and those doing so may not all have the same reasons for it.

People could detest the Amarr for a number of reasons, including but not limited to:

The acceptance of slavery
The practice of slavery (whether it be simply the principle of slavery or the fact that entire generations are enslaved)
Religion
Religious zealotry
Aggressive defense of ideals and ideology
The outspoken belief of supremacy over other beings
Arrogance

Not all of these traits are reflected in every single Amarr, but they embody the image of the Amarr in other's perceptions.

One could also provide an objective list of why people are hostile to the Gallenteans, Matari or Caldari.

N'maro Makari
Posted - 2011.06.29 21:58:00 - [77]
 

Originally by: Raze Valadeus
Originally by: N'maro Makari
To any of the Amarr reading: Do you understand why it is people treat you with hostility? Putting aside the question of wether it is right or wrong, for the moment.


Captain Makari,

As you well know, I have some respect for you. However, the question above is impossible to answer correctly because it is entirely relative. There are any number of reasons why people will treat an individual, group of people or an entire species with disdain or hostility and those doing so may not all have the same reasons for it.

People could detest the Amarr for a number of reasons, including but not limited to:

The acceptance of slavery
The practice of slavery (whether it be simply the principle of slavery or the fact that entire generations are enslaved)
Religion
Religious zealotry
Aggressive defense of ideals and ideology
The outspoken belief of supremacy over other beings
Arrogance

Not all of these traits are reflected in every single Amarr, but they embody the image of the Amarr in other's perceptions.

One could also provide an objective list of why people are hostile to the Gallenteans, Matari or Caldari.



I suppose a more accurate question would be Amarr-Matari relations

Kithrus
Amarr
Defensores Fidei
Curatores Veritatis Alliance
Posted - 2011.06.29 22:18:00 - [78]
 

Originally by: N'maro Makari
Originally by: Raze Valadeus
Originally by: N'maro Makari
To any of the Amarr reading: Do you understand why it is people treat you with hostility? Putting aside the question of wether it is right or wrong, for the moment.


Captain Makari,

As you well know, I have some respect for you. However, the question above is impossible to answer correctly because it is entirely relative. There are any number of reasons why people will treat an individual, group of people or an entire species with disdain or hostility and those doing so may not all have the same reasons for it.

People could detest the Amarr for a number of reasons, including but not limited to:

The acceptance of slavery
The practice of slavery (whether it be simply the principle of slavery or the fact that entire generations are enslaved)
Religion
Religious zealotry
Aggressive defense of ideals and ideology
The outspoken belief of supremacy over other beings
Arrogance

Not all of these traits are reflected in every single Amarr, but they embody the image of the Amarr in other's perceptions.

One could also provide an objective list of why people are hostile to the Gallenteans, Matari or Caldari.



I suppose a more accurate question would be Amarr-Matari relations


If you ask me there are none from our respective goverments aside from "stay out of our space" And in the pod pilot arena its KOS.


Sinjin Mokk
Stillwater Corporation
Posted - 2011.06.29 23:18:00 - [79]
 

Originally by: Raze Valadeus
Originally by: N'maro Makari
To any of the Amarr reading: Do you understand why it is people treat you with hostility? Putting aside the question of wether it is right or wrong, for the moment.


Captain Makari,

As you well know, I have some respect for you. However, the question above is impossible to answer correctly because it is entirely relative. There are any number of reasons why people will treat an individual, group of people or an entire species with disdain or hostility and those doing so may not all have the same reasons for it.

People could detest the Amarr for a number of reasons, including but not limited to:

The acceptance of slavery
The practice of slavery (whether it be simply the principle of slavery or the fact that entire generations are enslaved)
Religion
Religious zealotry
Aggressive defense of ideals and ideology
The outspoken belief of supremacy over other beings
Arrogance




I would add one other thing to that list.

Greed.

Not the greed of the Amarr people, but the greed of others who look at what the Empire has been able to build and achieve for several thousand years. People want a piece of the pie.

Not all, not in every instance. But I beleive it is a factor.


Gosakumori Noh
Amarr
Viziam
Posted - 2011.06.30 01:06:00 - [80]
 

Originally by: Sinjin Mokk
Originally by: N'maro Makari
To any of the Amarr reading: Do you understand why it is people treat you with hostility? Putting aside the question of wether it is right or wrong, for the moment.


I would add one other thing to that list.

Greed.

Not the greed of the Amarr people, but the greed of others who look at what the Empire has been able to build and achieve for several thousand years.




Along with Greed's scheming cousin, Envy - the seven wiggle their scaly tentacles!

Lyn Farel
Knighthood of the Merciful Crown
Posted - 2011.06.30 12:00:00 - [81]
 

Edited by: Lyn Farel on 30/06/2011 12:03:47
Originally by: N'maro Makari
Originally by: Lyn Farel
Originally by: Sinjin Mokk
Originally by: Raze Valadeus
...Therefore, from their perspective, slavers are evil...


Cheers!





Says the man that turned into an Angel. This is ludicrous.


Well are'nt you quick to judge.


I am sorry but I do not think that you have all the cards in hand on this matter.

Originally by: N'maro Makari
To any of the Amarr reading: Do you understand why it is people treat you with hostility?


I have answered numerous times to similar questions from others before, and my answer remains the same : yes. And as usual, I could also ask back if you do understand why is it people treat Mataris with hostility.

You are certainly not the first Matari coming here half ignorant, for that you seem to only have listened to the Republic view, which is limited to their own, like any other governement and culture. You came here pointing out the obvious about slavery, which is here about abuses. You also forget that there are many abuses, starting in the Republic itself, and they are no less worth of consideration. It is not a fundamentaly bad thing to point out what people consider wrong, though it it better to keep the bigger picture in mind or we inevitably end up into grave inconsistencies and bias when it comes to constructive disucssion.

On that point, like someone I respect deeply said yersterday, a majority of Matari suffer from the "victims syndrome". They have been keeping telling that to themselves for so long, forgetting almost everything else and losing sight of all other similar facts worth of consideration that the only remaining thing that they still see is this : slavery and what have been done to some of them.

Now then, you might want to take a look to the consequences of the Elder invasion, where a lot might argue that the victims changed side. You might want to take a look to the amounts of Voluval outcasts that I see everyday coming in Arzad or in the Mandate. You might want to take a look at all the amarrian citizens that have disappeared or have been abducted by the Republic. You might want to look at former slaves like Abel Jarek turned into martyrs and burnt at stake in the middle of the Republic, or bullied everyday for what they are. And then, when the Matari will be also able to admit their wrongdoings too, discussions will be able to really begin. Not before, or it will only be unilateral.

Merivel Mar
Posted - 2011.07.01 22:40:00 - [82]
 

Your Ammatar brothers and sisters disagree with you, why would that be I wonder? Cool

Merdaneth
Amarr
Defensores Fidei
Curatores Veritatis Alliance
Posted - 2011.07.02 09:36:00 - [83]
 

Has anyone heard yet from this Kaylee Sapphire individual. Was this just a one-time warning. Has ms. Sapphire been countered-warned to such an extent that she is now hesistant to speak on these forums?

N'maro Makari
Posted - 2011.07.02 12:44:00 - [84]
 

Originally by: Merivel Mar
Your Ammatar brothers and sisters disagree with you, why would that be I wonder? Cool


Might want to read the news, lest you look stupid.

Tagera
Posted - 2011.07.04 01:32:00 - [85]
 

Originally by: N'maro Makari
Originally by: Merivel Mar
Your Ammatar brothers and sisters disagree with you, why would that be I wonder? Cool


Might want to read the news, lest you look stupid.


Agreed......if you haven't noticed quite a few ammatar left to go back to being Nefantar since the Elder fleet came through. Granted most seem to be having trouble fitting back in to the Republic and are hanging out with Thukker tribe along with a large portion of the Starkmanir. And yes there are problems with people going against them and causing problems on a variety of planets. I however support them both. The Nefantar did their duty, they protected the Starkmanir from extinction. If anything I would enjoy seeing them both go back into the government and lead. It has been far too long.

Sinjin Mokk
Stillwater Corporation
Posted - 2011.07.04 05:21:00 - [86]
 

Originally by: Tagera

Agreed......if you haven't noticed quite a few ammatar left to go back to being Nefantar since the Elder fleet came through. Granted most seem to be having trouble fitting back in to the Republic and are hanging out with Thukker tribe along with a large portion of the Starkmanir. And yes there are problems with people going against them and causing problems on a variety of planets. I however support them both. The Nefantar did their duty, they protected the Starkmanir from extinction. If anything I would enjoy seeing them both go back into the government and lead. It has been far too long.



That's an interesting idea.

Do you belive the tribes who currently run the Republic would be willing to share power with the Starkmanir, Nefanter and Thukkers?


Luna Mori
Minmatar
AmmuNacionale
Posted - 2011.07.04 07:02:00 - [87]
 

Originally by: Tagera

Agreed......if you haven't noticed quite a few ammatar left to go back to being Nefantar since the Elder fleet came through. Granted most seem to be having trouble fitting back in to the Republic and are hanging out with Thukker tribe along with a large portion of the Starkmanir. And yes there are problems with people going against them and causing problems on a variety of planets. I however support them both. The Nefantar did their duty, they protected the Starkmanir from extinction. If anything I would enjoy seeing them both go back into the government and lead. It has been far too long.


If the Nefantar had done their duty in the first place perhaps others wouldn't be causing problems for them now. As for leading the Republic... we could assume they already do: slave trading and Amarrian commercial operations within Republic borders, all with the government's blessing?

Lyn Farel
Knighthood of the Merciful Crown
Posted - 2011.07.04 11:21:00 - [88]
 

Originally by: N'maro Makari
Originally by: Merivel Mar
Your Ammatar brothers and sisters disagree with you, why would that be I wonder? Cool


Might want to read the news, lest you look stupid.

Originally by: Tagera
Originally by: N'maro Makari
Originally by: Merivel Mar
Your Ammatar brothers and sisters disagree with you, why would that be I wonder? Cool


Might want to read the news, lest you look stupid.


Agreed......if you haven't noticed quite a few ammatar left to go back to being Nefantar since the Elder fleet came through.


Clarification on semantics : the Nefantar Tribe is no Ammatar anymore, since they left the Mandate for the Republic.

The DarkSun
Minmatar
Republic University
Posted - 2011.07.04 14:02:00 - [89]
 

All slavers to burning.

Tigerfish Torpedo
Underworld Protection Agency
Fatal Ascension
Posted - 2011.07.04 14:14:00 - [90]
 

Edited by: Tigerfish Torpedo on 04/07/2011 14:25:46

Originally by: The DarkSun
All slavers to burning.


Huh?! All slavers to burning??! Anyone speak moron, around here?

Allow me to attempt to suggest a few ways to finish that sentence...

All slavers to burning BBQ?
All slavers to burning house, in daring attempt to rescue a trapped family?
All slavers to burning trauma unit, following severe sunburn during the hottest day on record?
All slavers to burning book party?

Care to clarify that nonsense for us?

Tigerfish.

((Edit: wanted to add more sarcasm!))


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