Edited by: Akita T on 23/06/2011 18:40:51
Originally by: MalaCuea
But those skill, for mitigate the lost standing, can use only once time. So, i think is better train those skill when i have -4 - 5 standing with other factions. But what happen if i continue doing missions after train those skill?. I will continue lower the standing, and i can not train these skill for mitigate anymore.
They are permanently active once trained.
Standings changes only apply to BASE standings.
Those skills modify EFFECTIVE standings.
It doesn't matter if you train them now or 1 year later.
To elaborate, in the previously given example of "if you run Caldari storylines, just from that, you will never go below -5.00 base with Gallente or below -2.50 base with Minmatar", if that was done while NOT having Diplomacy trained, after you train Diplomacy at all, the minimum base standings remain identical, they don't change.
With Diplomacy L5, this means as long as you avoid "kill Gallente ships" missions, you can not go under -2.00 effective with Gallente ! Base would still be a minimum of -5.00 with Gallente.
Also, you can always alternate missions.
The derived losses are smaller than the base increase, and the changes apply to difference between current at min/max possible.
When you do a Caldari storyline that gives you +10% to Caldari, you only get -5% with Gallente, not -10%. And the reverse is the same.
So, for instance, if you keep running BOTH Caldari and Gallente storylines (while avoiding any "kill Caldari" or "kill Gallente" missions), you can actually go into positive standings with BOTH of these enemy factions ! Not too much into the positives, and it's slower than any individual one, but still, you CAN have positive standings towards all empire factions at the same time.
Which can get further amplified into the positives by the skill Connections.
EXAMPLE : say you start at absolutely no standings.
You run a +10% Caldari.
You end up at +1.00 base Caldari and -0.50 base Gallente.
With BOTH diplo 5 and connections 5, that's +2.80 effective Caldari and +1.60 effective Gallente.
Now you run a +10% Gallente.
You end up at +0.45 base Caldari and +0.55 base Gallente.
With BOTH diplo 5 and connections 5, that's +2.36 effective Caldari and +2.44 effective Gallente.
Run another +10% Caldari.
You end up at +1.405 Caldari and +0.0225 Gallente.
With BOTH diplo 5 and connections 5, that's +3.124 effective Caldari and +2.018 effective Gallente.
...and so on and so forth.
It does get a lot harder a bit later on though, the higher you go, the slower each additional increase will be.
Somewhere around +3.3 base for each or thereabouts where you stop going forward, and actually just pingpong around, even a 1% change will move one to +3.7 the other to +3.1 and vice-versa.
Granted, even a +3.30 base standings means a +4.64 effective standing with Connections L5, but that's not very great.HOWEVER, you don't NEED high faction standings for L2/L3/L4/L5 agent access.
You can gain agent access via enough standings toward the agent's NPC corp.
All you need is to have above -2.00 effective standing with his faction, so access doesn't get cut off.
L1 agents are always available regardless of standings, you can have even -10.