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MalaCuea
Posted - 2011.06.23 04:31:00 - [1]
 

Edited by: MalaCuea on 23/06/2011 04:39:20
i have dooing missions for caldari, but I realized i was loosing standing with gallente and minmatar..so...i decided stop doing mission when my enemies were gallente or minmatar, decline these missions . So, i had -1.72 of standing with gallente. Now then stop doing these missions, now i have -1.92. What i am doing wrong? I use eve survival for info for missions faction enemies.Will perhaps the storyline missions low the oposite faction standing?

Irulan Corinno
Caldari
714th SQN - Snowflakes
Posted - 2011.06.23 07:36:00 - [2]
 

Yes, if you do storylines you also lose some faction standings.

You can fix it a bit by doing missions for the opposite faction or the Sisters of EVE, who have a high correlation with Gallente.

Louis deGuerre
Gallente
Malevolence.
Posted - 2011.06.23 08:29:00 - [3]
 

If you switch doing missions between opposing factions you will lose standing and gain standing, but there will be a net standing gain. Don't take mission against empire factions, at least not often.

Karl Planck
Labyrinth Obtaining Chaotic Kangaroos
Posted - 2011.06.23 11:10:00 - [4]
 

there are a couple of things here. First, yea, don't do any missions where faction rats are involved. Second, the reason they are still going down if you are declining is because of derived standings (most likely). The higher you go with caldari the worse you're gonna get with gall especially and a little with matar.

You don't really have to worry about your standings UNLESS you hit -5 with a faction, if that happens you become a target for the faction police. However, if you want to fix your standings now you can train the social skill that raises your standings with factions that don't like you, its pretty effective even at low levels.

BTW, the storyline missions with faction rats you also have to decline if you don't want a large hit.

Gaze R Beam
Posted - 2011.06.23 12:32:00 - [5]
 

How important is it to stay neutral? How will poor standing affect me latter in the game, other than not traveling to some regions?

Sorry but Iím really green.

Louis deGuerre
Gallente
Malevolence.
Posted - 2011.06.23 12:42:00 - [6]
 

Edited by: Louis deGuerre on 23/06/2011 12:44:09
It will make it hard to get access to high level missions (or other agents, like research) for that faction, unable to join their faction war corp or to set up highsec POS in their faction space. Player corp may dislike you dragging down their corp standings. Losing standing is easy, getting it back is hard work. If you really go overboard you can lose access to an empire entirely.
It's just not worth the hassle and not hard to prevent.
On the other hand, if you have decided you never want to set foot in highsec again and run missions for pirate factions instead go for it.

Gaze R Beam
Posted - 2011.06.23 14:30:00 - [7]
 

WOW, Thanks.

Iíve just started Minmatar lvl 2 missions and there a lot of anit Amarr and Caldari ships. Youíve just saved my 2 brothers and I a lot of grief. It seems easy for newbieís to screw this up.

Olvel
Posted - 2011.06.23 15:00:00 - [8]
 

It isn't that easy to genuinely screw up. It'll take a lot of missions to make one of the other factions genuinely hate you. And even if that does happen, there are skills you can train to mitigate that.

But, yeah, you do need to be careful about who you're killing.

Akita T
Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
Posted - 2011.06.23 16:57:00 - [9]
 

Yes, when you run a storyline mission, you do lose standings with opposing factions.
BUT there's a cap to that.
For instance, if you run Caldari storylines, just from that, you will never go below -5.00 base with Gallente or below -2.50 base with Minmatar.
More details HERE.
Add to that Diplomacy L4/L5 and you're not ever going to be KOS in any of their territories (and L1 missions are always accessible, so after a single L1 storyline, you can access any other agents provided you have decent standings towards their corp even if faction standing is barely above -2.00 effective).

MalaCuea
Posted - 2011.06.23 16:59:00 - [10]
 



But those skill, for mitigate the lost standing, can use only once time. So, i think is better train those skill when i have -4 - 5 standing with other factions. But what happen if i continue doing missions after train those skill?. I will continue lower the standing, and i can not train these skill for mitigate anymore.

So, what is the solution?
- Do mission for the 2 factions (caldari - gallente)? Is possible have +5 standing (or 6? well..i dont know really, i am noob, but the necesari for l4 missions) with the 2 factions?.
- Or mayby forget about factions, an do missions for 2 corp (cal - gall)
- Decline the missions when rats are factions?
- Decline storyline missions?
- What else?

I do not know, I find it difficult to reputations. If i dedicated to mine, i dont would not have to worry about this.But is boooooring.

Akita T
Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
Posted - 2011.06.23 18:16:00 - [11]
 

Edited by: Akita T on 23/06/2011 18:40:51

Originally by: MalaCuea
But those skill, for mitigate the lost standing, can use only once time. So, i think is better train those skill when i have -4 - 5 standing with other factions. But what happen if i continue doing missions after train those skill?. I will continue lower the standing, and i can not train these skill for mitigate anymore.

Incorrect.
They are permanently active once trained.
Standings changes only apply to BASE standings.
Those skills modify EFFECTIVE standings.
It doesn't matter if you train them now or 1 year later.

To elaborate, in the previously given example of "if you run Caldari storylines, just from that, you will never go below -5.00 base with Gallente or below -2.50 base with Minmatar", if that was done while NOT having Diplomacy trained, after you train Diplomacy at all, the minimum base standings remain identical, they don't change.
With Diplomacy L5, this means as long as you avoid "kill Gallente ships" missions, you can not go under -2.00 effective with Gallente ! Base would still be a minimum of -5.00 with Gallente.

Also, you can always alternate missions.
The derived losses are smaller than the base increase, and the changes apply to difference between current at min/max possible.
When you do a Caldari storyline that gives you +10% to Caldari, you only get -5% with Gallente, not -10%. And the reverse is the same.
So, for instance, if you keep running BOTH Caldari and Gallente storylines (while avoiding any "kill Caldari" or "kill Gallente" missions), you can actually go into positive standings with BOTH of these enemy factions ! Not too much into the positives, and it's slower than any individual one, but still, you CAN have positive standings towards all empire factions at the same time.
Which can get further amplified into the positives by the skill Connections.


EXAMPLE : say you start at absolutely no standings.

You run a +10% Caldari.
You end up at +1.00 base Caldari and -0.50 base Gallente.
With BOTH diplo 5 and connections 5, that's +2.80 effective Caldari and +1.60 effective Gallente.

Now you run a +10% Gallente.
You end up at +0.45 base Caldari and +0.55 base Gallente.
With BOTH diplo 5 and connections 5, that's +2.36 effective Caldari and +2.44 effective Gallente.

Run another +10% Caldari.
You end up at +1.405 Caldari and +0.0225 Gallente.
With BOTH diplo 5 and connections 5, that's +3.124 effective Caldari and +2.018 effective Gallente.

...and so on and so forth.

It does get a lot harder a bit later on though, the higher you go, the slower each additional increase will be.
Somewhere around +3.3 base for each or thereabouts where you stop going forward, and actually just pingpong around, even a 1% change will move one to +3.7 the other to +3.1 and vice-versa.
Granted, even a +3.30 base standings means a +4.64 effective standing with Connections L5, but that's not very great.

HOWEVER, you don't NEED high faction standings for L2/L3/L4/L5 agent access.
You can gain agent access via enough standings toward the agent's NPC corp.
All you need is to have above -2.00 effective standing with his faction, so access doesn't get cut off.
L1 agents are always available regardless of standings, you can have even -10.

Reicheck
Center for Advanced Studies
Posted - 2011.06.23 18:47:00 - [12]
 

Originally by: MalaCuea


But those skill, for mitigate the lost standing, can use only once time. So, i think is better train those skill when i have -4 - 5 standing with other factions. But what happen if i continue doing missions after train those skill?. I will continue lower the standing, and i can not train these skill for mitigate anymore.

So, what is the solution?
- Do mission for the 2 factions (caldari - gallente)? Is possible have +5 standing (or 6? well..i dont know really, i am noob, but the necesari for l4 missions) with the 2 factions?.
- Or mayby forget about factions, an do missions for 2 corp (cal - gall)
- Decline the missions when rats are factions?
- Decline storyline missions?
- What else?

I do not know, I find it difficult to reputations. If i dedicated to mine, i dont would not have to worry about this.But is boooooring.



A guide to balancing out your faction reputations.

It is fairly heavy reading, but it will help anyone who wants to fix their faction rep. No matter if it was totally messed up or just a little askew.

MalaCuea
Posted - 2011.06.23 19:54:00 - [13]
 

Thank you very much. Now I'm finally understanding a little more. But I need to read your post 10 times to understand it 100%.

And thanks for the links Akita and Reicheck. And thanks for the help to the others.


 

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