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HLF No45678
Station Dwellers
Posted - 2011.06.24 12:35:00 - [2521]
 

Remeber SWG and NGE?

History teaches nothing.

Horace Nancyball
Posted - 2011.06.24 12:36:00 - [2522]
 

Originally by: Isis Soryu
Keep trollin, maybe someone else will bite.



Intolerant of others' points of view. Inability to form a coherent argument without resorting to personal insults. Speaking from a base of no knowledge whatsoever and extrapolating hysterically. Oh dear. Just as well you've left the game.

Dantes Wolf
Caldari
i-Pos
Posted - 2011.06.24 12:48:00 - [2523]
 



Everything that is alive is raw and wild - and you just killed EVE by making a domesticated skull****ed who.re of her. :(


HeIIfire11
Posted - 2011.06.24 12:51:00 - [2524]
 

Originally by: Horace Nancyball
Originally by: Isis Soryu
Keep trollin, maybe someone else will bite.



Intolerant of others' points of view. Inability to form a coherent argument without resorting to personal insults. Speaking from a base of no knowledge whatsoever and extrapolating hysterically. Oh dear. Just as well you've left the game.


I'll bite...

Please visit your user settings to re-enable images.

Tla Atij
Posted - 2011.06.24 13:11:00 - [2525]
 

Holy ****, I go away for a while and come back to find a 120 pages long 'apology' thread.

Anyone care to summarize it? Miilla? Anyone?

Constantinus Maximus
Paxian Expeditionary Force
Posted - 2011.06.24 13:12:00 - [2526]
 

Edited by: Constantinus Maximus on 24/06/2011 13:13:07
Originally by: Tla Atij
Holy ****, I go away for a while and come back to find a 120 pages long 'apology' thread.

Anyone care to summarize it? Miilla? Anyone?


The video in the sig.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F4YHvtEJgBc

Bloody2k
Gallente
ZERO T0LERANCE
RAZOR Alliance
Posted - 2011.06.24 13:13:00 - [2527]
 

I think CCP is paralysed!

Go, go, go community!

Tla Atij
Posted - 2011.06.24 13:14:00 - [2528]
 

Originally by: Constantinus Maximus
Edited by: Constantinus Maximus on 24/06/2011 13:13:07
Originally by: Tla Atij
Holy ****, I go away for a while and come back to find a 120 pages long 'apology' thread.

Anyone care to summarize it? Miilla? Anyone?


The video in the sig.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F4YHvtEJgBc

Saw that yesterday, made me chuckle.

Lederstrumpf
Posted - 2011.06.24 13:15:00 - [2529]
 

Edited by: Lederstrumpf on 24/06/2011 13:29:11
Originally by: Constantinus Maximus
Originally by: Liza la'fabre
1.4Bil isk for a god-damn monocle!?
really is the economy that bad in iceland after the Landsbanki debacle.



Björgólfur Thor Björgólfsson = Landsbanki = Novator Partners = CCPGames

Picture getting clearer?


Thanks! Yes, indeed.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Novator_Partners

== snip ==
The owner or owners of Novator are hiding behind a web of companies which includes companies in places such as Cyprus, Cayman Islands, Delaware, Gibraltar, Tortola (British Virgin Islands), and Luxembourg.

Investigations published in Denmark suggest that the underlying companies are linked to Russian companies
== snip ==

Plus General Catalyst Partners ...

http://mitworld.mit.edu/video/741

"My 16 yo daughter [..] thought the company [CCP] was cool."

Foralai Altrus
Posted - 2011.06.24 13:15:00 - [2530]
 

Originally by: Tla Atij
Holy ****, I go away for a while and come back to find a 120 pages long 'apology' thread.

Anyone care to summarize it? Miilla? Anyone?


The newsletter is real and legit

They don't want to answer the question on plans to release more than 'vanity' items in the MT store

They are in panic mode, only time they come out with the PR force like this is when accounts drop fast

Tla Atij
Posted - 2011.06.24 13:19:00 - [2531]
 

Originally by: Foralai Altrus
Originally by: Tla Atij
Holy ****, I go away for a while and come back to find a 120 pages long 'apology' thread.

Anyone care to summarize it? Miilla? Anyone?


The newsletter is real and legit

They don't want to answer the question on plans to release more than 'vanity' items in the MT store

They are in panic mode, only time they come out with the PR force like this is when accounts drop fast

Thanks. Now... where's my pitchfork... *goes to apology thread*

Constantinus Maximus
Paxian Expeditionary Force
Posted - 2011.06.24 13:23:00 - [2532]
 

Originally by: Tla Atij
Originally by: Constantinus Maximus
Edited by: Constantinus Maximus on 24/06/2011 13:13:07
Originally by: Tla Atij
Holy ****, I go away for a while and come back to find a 120 pages long 'apology' thread.

Anyone care to summarize it? Miilla? Anyone?


The video in the sig.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F4YHvtEJgBc

Saw that yesterday, made me chuckle.


It's a very accurate depiction of the detail and subtlety of the situation.

Obviously someone who has been around the CSM/employees and stuff for a good while.

Solidaridad
Posted - 2011.06.24 13:45:00 - [2533]
 

R.I.P.

Rasz Lin
Caldari
Uitraan Diversified Holdings Incorporated
Posted - 2011.06.24 13:50:00 - [2534]
 


Coarl
Gallente
Federal Navy Academy
Posted - 2011.06.24 13:58:00 - [2535]
 

Originally by: Horace Nancyball
Originally by: Coarl
You literally know nothing of how eve works if that's what you think. Either biomass your toon and start again, only this time actually work through the entire tutorial. OR Have a loong hard think about how extra shiny ships in empire will get used in nullsec. (PL's T3 fleets anyone?). Changes to highsec = changes everywhere, it's the same server universe you clown!


My point was that those people flying around in T3s will (or at least should) have those fits anyway. The people actually needing uber mods will have the isk to obtain them one way or another anyway. The first time I see a fully officer fitted Bantam cruising around hi-sec taking out rats I will just laugh in your face.


And my point is that at the moment, the playing field is pretty 'level' regarding the shiny **** you fly: ships, mods, ammo are all available to you in the ingame market for isk acquired either through gameplay or PLEX/GTC trading.

Once you introduce a higher tier of items whereby people with the fatter RL wallet can BUY an advantage over and above what you can currently get from the ingame market then that will be when the game crashes and burns. Those raging about these proposed changes now are doing so in the vain hope that ccp actually listen and pay heed to the 5h1tstorm they are about to unleash before it's too late.

Nice attempt at the trolling officer fitted bantam btw. If you succeed in griefing that 5hit from some clueless AUR asshat, i will be the first to applaud your fat lewts and laugh loudly at the killboard link (and affected pilot). Twisted Evil

Mag Theron
Open University of Celestial Hardship
Art of War Alliance
Posted - 2011.06.24 13:59:00 - [2536]
 

Originally by: Rasz Lin
CCP:
Please visit your user settings to re-enable images.


Wow, that made me laugh so hard...

Lederstrumpf
Posted - 2011.06.24 14:07:00 - [2537]
 

Originally by: Miilla
At this stage; I am past caring and just having FUN at CCP's expense now.

Its the NEW GAME!


How long will it take until sandbox scammers become real life money traders ?


Shintai
Gallente
Arx Io Orbital Factories
Arx Io
Posted - 2011.06.24 14:21:00 - [2538]
 

Originally by: HLF No45678
Remeber SWG and NGE?

History teaches nothing.


It teaches that €€P didnt survieve evolution. Darwin won again.

Tarasina
Posted - 2011.06.24 14:22:00 - [2539]
 

Edited by: Tarasina on 24/06/2011 14:25:29
Originally by: Horace Nancyball
Originally by: Isis Soryu
Keep trollin, maybe someone else will bite.



Intolerant of others' points of view. Inability to form a coherent argument without resorting to personal insults. Speaking from a base of no knowledge whatsoever and extrapolating hysterically. Oh dear. Just as well you've left the game.


Isis learned from the best, Fox news, CNN etc etc, list goes on.

RensPriceChecker2
Posted - 2011.06.24 14:29:00 - [2540]
 

2ndpagenotyet

Algathas
Minmatar
The Revenge of Auntie Freeze
Posted - 2011.06.24 14:38:00 - [2541]
 

Originally by: Glyken Touchon
Originally by: Algathas
Joseph Gallo:
June 2009 – Present (2 years 1 month)
"As CFO of CCP Games, Joe oversees the financial positioning and reporting of CCP. He is also responsible for the strategic initiatives of the Company and relations with its investors."

His previous work history:
"Managing Director, Investment Banking
Citigroup
This explains a lot too.


I worked to help build a company IRL which was eventually sold to a publicly traded company. I ended up in a management position right below the C level people in this company.

Before we sold to them, our ideals were to build a great company and it would speak for itself, causing the money to come in and our clients to love us.

After we were merged with the publicly traded company the company ended up running flat. The "C" level people were more interested in how they could spin buzz words to investors than making a great company. They would open more offices not because they were needed, but because investors like seeing a bunch of offices nationwide as a showing of their presence, even if we could do the same performance from a single office.

In the end, I left my six figure salaried plus bonus position at the company because I knew I could not fight the mentality of spin the C level management was putting out. 2 years later the company became another Enronesque scandal and imploded into nonexistance.

This same spin is what we see here in CCP. Suddenly Gallo and others take over in upper management, and they brings around investors. They don't play the game. Their job is to spin to investors reasons to invest. Rich investors like words like "Microtransactions" or even fancier ones like "Virtual Goods Sales". The FOTM money making idea. Of course the lower grunts that develop and do play the game won't all share this mentality, so they either leave or are pushed to believe it by documents like "Fearless".

EVE is no longer the game we signed up for long ago. It is being twisted as a tool to raise share prices. Whether that is successful for CCP remains to be seen. Perhaps they will get lucky and attract more new customers than the old ones they shed. The problem is, until those mythical new customers are actually signed up and paying, then all they are is mere projections, not reality. The current player base is real income in hand.

Junkie Babe
Posted - 2011.06.24 14:46:00 - [2542]
 

Has their been any feed back from CCP?

Thanks

Regards Junkie Babe

RensPriceChecker2
Posted - 2011.06.24 14:51:00 - [2543]
 

Edited by: RensPriceChecker2 on 24/06/2011 14:51:43
Originally by: Junkie Babe
Has their been any feed back from CCP?

Thanks

Regards Junkie Babe


The feedback from ccp was:

"hello. thanks for all your posts. we understand you believe microtransactions are fantastic and only the prices are a few cents to high. some of you also seem not super amazingly excited about the latest expansion. that is very sad because we want to make everyone as happy as our most dull fanboys. now that we see where you are comming from, can you please stop posting so much? Thanks you."

Junkie Babe
Posted - 2011.06.24 14:53:00 - [2544]
 

LOL

Horace Nancyball
Posted - 2011.06.24 15:10:00 - [2545]
 

Originally by: Coarl
Originally by: Horace Nancyball
Originally by: Coarl
You literally know nothing of how eve works if that's what you think. Either biomass your toon and start again, only this time actually work through the entire tutorial. OR Have a loong hard think about how extra shiny ships in empire will get used in nullsec. (PL's T3 fleets anyone?). Changes to highsec = changes everywhere, it's the same server universe you clown!


My point was that those people flying around in T3s will (or at least should) have those fits anyway. The people actually needing uber mods will have the isk to obtain them one way or another anyway. The first time I see a fully officer fitted Bantam cruising around hi-sec taking out rats I will just laugh in your face.


And my point is that at the moment, the playing field is pretty 'level' regarding the shiny **** you fly: ships, mods, ammo are all available to you in the ingame market for isk acquired either through gameplay or PLEX/GTC trading.

Once you introduce a higher tier of items whereby people with the fatter RL wallet can BUY an advantage over and above what you can currently get from the ingame market then that will be when the game crashes and burns. Those raging about these proposed changes now are doing so in the vain hope that ccp actually listen and pay heed to the 5h1tstorm they are about to unleash before it's too late.

Nice attempt at the trolling officer fitted bantam btw. If you succeed in griefing that 5hit from some clueless AUR asshat, i will be the first to applaud your fat lewts and laugh loudly at the killboard link (and affected pilot). Twisted Evil



And how would you describe PLEX exactly? Oh yes, available to those with the fatter wallets.

Tachibana Kanade
Posted - 2011.06.24 15:34:00 - [2546]
 

bump

Mamayev Kurgan
Posted - 2011.06.24 15:43:00 - [2547]
 

And a good ol bump from me .. want to keep this thread front and center until CCP deigns to respond to the lies this document reveals.

They want to talk about the monocles .. not the newsletter .. won't let them ignore it.

Xeronn
Amarr
Posted - 2011.06.24 15:49:00 - [2548]
 

R.I.P EvE

it`s been a great 4 years

Thanks to the best gaming comunity that ever graced (or trolled , or scammed , or spammed...etc) a game with it`s presence

I`ll miss this place , but i`m too much of an emo to stand around watching EvE die a slow and agonizing death

so...here`s to CCP going bankrupt as soon as possible!

good nigh

Coarl
Gallente
Federal Navy Academy
Posted - 2011.06.24 15:50:00 - [2549]
 

Originally by: Horace Nancyball
Originally by: Coarl
Originally by: Horace Nancyball
Originally by: Coarl
You literally know nothing of how eve works if that's what you think. Either biomass your toon and start again, only this time actually work through the entire tutorial. OR Have a loong hard think about how extra shiny ships in empire will get used in nullsec. (PL's T3 fleets anyone?). Changes to highsec = changes everywhere, it's the same server universe you clown!


My point was that those people flying around in T3s will (or at least should) have those fits anyway. The people actually needing uber mods will have the isk to obtain them one way or another anyway. The first time I see a fully officer fitted Bantam cruising around hi-sec taking out rats I will just laugh in your face.


And my point is that at the moment, the playing field is pretty 'level' regarding the shiny **** you fly: ships, mods, ammo are all available to you in the ingame market for isk acquired either through gameplay or PLEX/GTC trading.

Once you introduce a higher tier of items whereby people with the fatter RL wallet can BUY an advantage over and above what you can currently get from the ingame market then that will be when the game crashes and burns. Those raging about these proposed changes now are doing so in the vain hope that ccp actually listen and pay heed to the 5h1tstorm they are about to unleash before it's too late.

Nice attempt at the trolling officer fitted bantam btw. If you succeed in griefing that 5hit from some clueless AUR asshat, i will be the first to applaud your fat lewts and laugh loudly at the killboard link (and affected pilot). Twisted Evil



And how would you describe PLEX exactly? Oh yes, available to those with the fatter wallets.


Yes i know what plex is and GTC (i sometimes buy a GTC or two to sell off in order to lessen the grind time for ships and toys) BUT all of the stuff i buy ingame through ISK is the SAME stuff as what everyone else buys, there is no ingame advantage to owning it OVER AND ABOVE any other player in the same ship who may have got it by grinding ingame for several hours. The difference is TIME ONLY.

The difference between stuff acquired through ISK and concern over shiny new 'exclusive' stuff (ships/mods/ammo) acquired through AUR is that the AUR stuff may offer an advantage ingame to someone with a mega fat RL wallet over and above that which everyone else who buys stuff through ISK may acquire. This difference will be to actual game affecting stuff (resists/damage/tank/drone fielded etc).

This will create a two-tier version of eve which will cause a mass exodus and ruin the game/CCP in the long run.

Takaedeatchy
Caldari
Southern Cross Trilogy
Flying Dangerous
Posted - 2011.06.24 15:51:00 - [2550]
 

Originally by: HLF No45678
Remeber SWG and NGE?

History teaches nothing.


So very true I was think the same. The added the TCG as well, screwed up the market with TCG items.


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