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Aesynil
Caldari
The Unit...
Posted - 2011.06.24 07:21:00 - [2431]
 

It was an internal document, discussing revenue streams. They threw ideas around. They said a lot of what-ifs. They're..erm..a business. This is a business for them. We give them money, and they give us a service. You're naive if you don't think that every business you work with isn't on some level considering the financial aspect of things.

They've demonstrated a number of times that if the community outcry is loud enough, they'll see reason. If I see a document explicitly saying "We're going to sell power outright in Eve after promising not to, and screw the player-base" I'll be irritated. If I see a document saying "We're looking at these possibilities but understand the player-base is opposed to it", I'll..erm..see a company trying to make money.

A lot..a lot...a -lot- of the rage is over things inferred from this document that just aren't explicitly stated. In the original post, they talk about buying sov with Aurum, when he's actually saying he was thinking of REWARDING people with Aurum for doing things like that.

Let's quote a bit.

Consumerism can, up to
a certain level, improve
experience and strengthen
identity, making us more
competitive


Too much consumerism will
ruin the experience

They're not stupid. They're not going to alienate their player-base or else they just lose money anyways. Don't rabble-rabble-rabble-rage senselessly. Complain appropriately and respectfully, make it clear where the line in the sand is, and the fine folks at CCP will listen and react, or they'll fail and we'll all find something else to play.

And finally...Everybody is saying cash shouldn't buy power in the game...It already does. I can drop $200 in Plex, buy a new character, outfit it with the best ships in the game, and go to town on day one. We're already there. The time to rage was then. We missed the bill. The day that they actively endorse the intention to offer something more powerful through ONLY Aurum that the rest of us can't reach, then I'll get irked. So let's see where it goes *shrug*

Please forgive me random rambling. I've been at work for some time, sleepy, headache, etc, and don't care to proofread and write this up properly.

Gwenywell Shumuku
Posted - 2011.06.24 07:26:00 - [2432]
 

Edited by: Gwenywell Shumuku on 24/06/2011 07:29:15
Now, really. Let me ask you in all seriousness: do you have reading comprehension problems? I know you may even be serious about it, but try harder.
And why are you trying to mitigate it with "others do it too". How does that make it better?

But hey, ignore everything, just feel the tone when they speak about us (freeloading spectators???). That ok for you? As i said...man i would like you as a customer of mine, i really do.

Algathas
Minmatar
The Revenge of Auntie Freeze
Posted - 2011.06.24 07:29:00 - [2433]
 

Joseph Gallo:
June 2009 Present (2 years 1 month)
"As CFO of CCP Games, Joe oversees the financial positioning and reporting of CCP. He is also responsible for the strategic initiatives of the Company and relations with its investors."

His previous work history:
"Managing Director, Investment Banking
Citigroup

Public Company; C; Financial Services industry

1994 2008 (14 years) "

Lets see what his performance at his past job resulted in:
Citigroup

"Citigroup suffered huge losses during the global financial crisis of 2008 and was rescued in November 2008 in a massive stimulus package by the U.S. government."

As we can see, things really started sliding around the time this guy came around. Looking at his previous work history, its no wonder that EVE is in the state it's in.

Hantaria Clivan
ThErEaLdEaL...
Posted - 2011.06.24 07:29:00 - [2434]
 

@Aesynil
the difference is: buying a char which skills, items and so on everybody could reach without $$ or buying e.g. ammo which only players could get if they spend $$.

would be the death for smallscale/solopvp imho.

Khamal Jolstien
Caldari
THORN Syndicate
BricK sQuAD.
Posted - 2011.06.24 07:30:00 - [2435]
 

Originally by: Aesynil
It was an internal document, discussing revenue streams. They threw ideas around. They said a lot of what-ifs. They're..erm..a business. This is a business for them. We give them money, and they give us a service. You're naive if you don't think that every business you work with isn't on some level considering the financial aspect of things.

They've demonstrated a number of times that if the community outcry is loud enough, they'll see reason. If I see a document explicitly saying "We're going to sell power outright in Eve after promising not to, and screw the player-base" I'll be irritated. If I see a document saying "We're looking at these possibilities but understand the player-base is opposed to it", I'll..erm..see a company trying to make money.

A lot..a lot...a -lot- of the rage is over things inferred from this document that just aren't explicitly stated. In the original post, they talk about buying sov with Aurum, when he's actually saying he was thinking of REWARDING people with Aurum for doing things like that.

Let's quote a bit.

Consumerism can, up to
a certain level, improve
experience and strengthen
identity, making us more
competitive


Too much consumerism will
ruin the experience

They're not stupid. They're not going to alienate their player-base or else they just lose money anyways. Don't rabble-rabble-rabble-rage senselessly. Complain appropriately and respectfully, make it clear where the line in the sand is, and the fine folks at CCP will listen and react, or they'll fail and we'll all find something else to play.

And finally...Everybody is saying cash shouldn't buy power in the game...It already does. I can drop $200 in Plex, buy a new character, outfit it with the best ships in the game, and go to town on day one. We're already there. The time to rage was then. We missed the bill. The day that they actively endorse the intention to offer something more powerful through ONLY Aurum that the rest of us can't reach, then I'll get irked. So let's see where it goes *shrug*

Please forgive me random rambling. I've been at work for some time, sleepy, headache, etc, and don't care to proofread and write this up properly.


Ok, so the time to act was when PLEX was introduced, not now. But now you say we should wait until they charge aurum, and only aurum, for powerful items to get ****ed?

It will be too late to save this game that we still love if we let it get to that point.

Norian Lonark
Gallente
Black Thorne Corporation
Black Thorne Alliance
Posted - 2011.06.24 07:31:00 - [2436]
 

Originally by: Aesynil

The day that they actively endorse the intention to offer something more powerful through ONLY Aurum that the rest of us can't reach, then I'll get irked. So let's see where it goes *shrug*




I get the feeling that is why most people are making their voices heard now (me trying to as well) because we care for the game we as players know what that would do to the game and we want to stop those discussions before its too late.

It is an internal document yes now its been leaked CCP can gauge the reaction of such things and hopefully that will put an end to these thoughts.

I just don't want CCP and EVE to be ruined by greed. Cancelling my subscription hasn't come in my mind once in 4 years of play. Good friends great game great developers but with all this if MT for game changing items is the way they go then I am out I know that doesn't mean a lot to anyone else and don't expect it too but that is just how I feel.

Obviously there is discussion going on within CCP about what direction to take. I just hope the guys who arguing against MT for anything other than vanity items within CCP will now have a louder voice backed by us.

Shivalla
Gallente
Financial Removal
THE SPACE P0LICE
Posted - 2011.06.24 07:31:00 - [2437]
 

Edited by: Shivalla on 24/06/2011 07:31:44
Edited by: Shivalla on 24/06/2011 07:31:31
http://eyeglass.com/mointowle.html

I just drop this here. Discuss.

Jefferson H Clay
Posted - 2011.06.24 07:32:00 - [2438]
 

Originally by: Aesynil

They've demonstrated a number of times that if the community outcry is loud enough, they'll see reason.


That's the problem though. Look at the picture a few pages(?) ago with the posts by a CCP person saying there would never be micro-transactions in EVE. There were no plans for it, there was no talk of it, it would not happen even if it were talked about.

Those posts were generated from community outcry over possible MT's. The whole mechanic of delivering additional SP appeared and people went "Ohh shiat".

Here we are a year or so later from that server move. We have MT's, we have proof that senior people want to sell us (amongst other things) SP for MT (seriously, it's the easiest way to do a headstart/toon booster for $$ in EVE).

It is not hard to see why we feel lied too and a bit abused.

Manos Heimenbarger
Posted - 2011.06.24 07:32:00 - [2439]
 

Originally by: Aesynil
They've demonstrated a number of times that if the community outcry is loud enough, they'll see reason.


All the more reason to get and stay loud over this.

Fighter26
Orion's Fist
Posted - 2011.06.24 07:33:00 - [2440]
 

Originally by: Shivalla
Edited by: Shivalla on 24/06/2011 07:31:44
Edited by: Shivalla on 24/06/2011 07:31:31
http://eyeglass.com/mointowle.html

I just drop this here. Discuss.


Real turtle? How the hell is CCP going to code that they cannot even get the hair right on ATI cards...

Jefferson H Clay
Posted - 2011.06.24 07:35:00 - [2441]
 

Originally by: Khamal Jolstien

Ok, so the time to act was when PLEX was introduced,


We did. We raged, we discussed, we warned about the slippery slope. When uPLEX (it turns out a place holder for Aru or however its felt) first appeared on SiSi we discussed, we raged, we warned.

Gaal Lefkin
Posted - 2011.06.24 07:36:00 - [2442]
 

Originally by: Aesynil
It was an internal document, discussing revenue streams. They threw ideas around. They said a lot of what-ifs. They're..erm..a business. This is a business for them. We give them money, and they give us a service. You're naive if you don't think that every business you work with isn't on some level considering the financial aspect of things.


Thanks for the lesson kid

Originally by: Aesynil

They've demonstrated a number of times that if the community outcry is loud enough, they'll see reason. If I see a document explicitly saying "We're going to sell power outright in Eve after promising not to, and screw the player-base" I'll be irritated. If I see a document saying "We're looking at these possibilities but understand the player-base is opposed to it", I'll..erm..see a company trying to make money.


Like the last time right? "Vanity items only, We promise". See where we are now?

Originally by: Aesynil

They're not stupid. They're not going to alienate their player-base or else they just lose money anyways. Don't rabble-rabble-rabble-rage senselessly. Complain appropriately and respectfully, make it clear where the line in the sand is, and the fine folks at CCP will listen and react, or they'll fail and we'll all find something else to play.


They already alienated a good chunk of their player base... CCP will listen like the last time, make half an apology and a promise they won't hold

Originally by: Aesynil

And finally...Everybody is saying cash shouldn't buy power in the game...It already does. I can drop $200 in Plex, buy a new character, outfit it with the best ships in the game, and go to town on day one. We're already there. The time to rage was then. We missed the bill. The day that they actively endorse the intention to offer something more powerful through ONLY Aurum that the rest of us can't reach, then I'll get irked. So let's see where it goes *shrug*


Yes, you can already buy power with $$. So why going further on that route?

Moreover, back in the days CCP used to find RP reasons for new stuff in game. The PLEX as the pilot license f.e. Now what with the Aurum? What with the NEX? What with a monocle costing more than the moros shooting Dust players? Completely immersion breaking, and sadly it proves CCP doesn't care anymore about that. Am I the only one to see the problem when a company selling an immersing service doesnt care about immersion anymore?


Isis Soryu
Caldari
Universitas Interimo Research
Posted - 2011.06.24 07:40:00 - [2443]
 

Edited by: Isis Soryu on 24/06/2011 07:40:12
Originally by: Aesynil
And finally...Everybody is saying cash shouldn't buy power in the game...It already does. I can drop $200 in Plex, buy a new character, outfit it with the best ships in the game, and go to town on day one. We're already there. The time to rage was then. We missed the bill. The day that they actively endorse the intention to offer something more powerful through ONLY Aurum that the rest of us can't reach, then I'll get irked. So let's see where it goes *shrug*

Please forgive me random rambling. I've been at work for some time, sleepy, headache, etc, and don't care to proofread and write this up properly.
Here is where your argument falls apart because like many you do not understand the nature of PLEX. It DOES NOT create items out of thin air, it DOES NOT give you free reign to have more powerful ships/mods than someone else, and most importantly you NEVER have to pay CCP for the privilege of flying a certain ship/mods/ammo. This crap will completely bypass the player economy, CCP WILL be paid by someone for every ship that is introduced into the GAME either by you or someone else, and people who can't grind that isk (1.3bil for a monocle FFS, how much is a ship?!)have no choice but to pay.

You honestly think this won't create a imbalance? If that's your vision of EVE, where the economy doesn't matter, player skills (real ones not ingame ones) doesn't matter, just who has the most cash matters, then you can have it cause that's where CCP is going. I'll be leaving here, before the investors that CCP is beholden to ruin the game I've spent 5+ years investing time into so they can get a return on WoD and Dust.

Talsha Talamar
Amarr
Nebula Rasa Holdings
Nebula Rasa
Posted - 2011.06.24 08:03:00 - [2444]
 

Edited by: Talsha Talamar on 24/06/2011 08:03:14

Originally by: Isis Soryu
Here is where your argument falls apart because like many you do not understand the nature of PLEX.


The most important thing about PLEX is,
that they create a win-win situation for all players involved.

The PLEX->ISK guy gets the cash he needs for his expensive "Exotic Dancers",
the ISK->PLEX>Subscription guy gets the opportunity to play eve without investing real life cash.

During the month bought with an PLEX, the player using the PLEX for his subscription,
gets the opportunity to destroy a multiple of the value of the PLEX in ships.

I never had a problem with PLEX, even though I so far left every game that introduced RMT for good.


Constantinus Maximus
Paxian Expeditionary Force
Posted - 2011.06.24 08:03:00 - [2445]
 

Originally by: Aesynil

They're not stupid. They're not going to alienate their player-base or else they just lose money anyways.


Too late.

Khamal Jolstien
Caldari
THORN Syndicate
BricK sQuAD.
Posted - 2011.06.24 08:04:00 - [2446]
 

Originally by: Jefferson H Clay
Originally by: Khamal Jolstien

Ok, so the time to act was when PLEX was introduced,


We did. We raged, we discussed, we warned about the slippery slope. When uPLEX (it turns out a place holder for Aru or however its felt) first appeared on SiSi we discussed, we raged, we warned.


Not going to troll you, but read back what I said exactly and who I was quoting. I'm 100% with you on this.

I was pointing out a contradiction in someone else's post, where they said the time to act was when PLEX appeared, but then went on to say that they'll wait until someone can buy a powerful item for Aurum only before they get upset.

Cancel Align NOW
Posted - 2011.06.24 08:11:00 - [2447]
 

Originally by: Black Dranzer
Originally by: Arya Greywolf
Fair enough, so why does CCP put her under the rug?

Because that's her job; She's out there taking the flames because that's what she's paid to do. That doesn't mean she deserves the fire. It's just what she has to do. The best you can do is be polite to her and tell her that you want the blood of the people responsible, not the designated meat shield.


5 years of playing eve has taught me that to win you need to humiliate and mock the meat shield until it folds completely under the pressure before you can truly hit the main target.

Horace Nancyball
Posted - 2011.06.24 08:14:00 - [2448]
 

Originally by: Isis Soryu
Both of you need to re-read this thread and read the Apology thread if you can't understand how this will negatively impact the game. Not only does it create a P2W game, it also completely cuts out the player economy. EQ2 is not EVE, this is a PVP game first and foremost, the minute RL cash directly* adds to your chances of winning the game is ****ed. (*Just for the record I don't like plex either but it was either introduce them or continue to sell them on the forum like days of yore. At least it operates completely within the economy)


All this from a player who seems so against change that he has refused to adopt a new style avatar and presumably therefore isn't even playing the current game? Seriously, I was like you a year or so ago. I honestly believed that rmt would kill the game I was playing. A year on, I don't partake of rmt in any shape or form but would have to admit that the effect is minimal (if that). The scenarios your side of the argument are putting forward....fleet fights being decided by rmt modules is laughable hysteria. If you are in an alliance that gets to that stage, finds themselves outgunned due to rmt (oh no, it could never be possible that the other team are just better than us) and don't have the corp funds available to buy them themselves then you're really just small beer I'm afraid.

I'm sorry but rmt is the way ALL MMOs are going in the 21st century. It won't be a huge revenue stream for the devlopers but it will ease pressure on increasing subs generally for everyone. If you want to adopt the luddite stance and smash the machine for instigating change then go ahead, you will have no effect. This evolution of MMOs is insidious and unstoppable. Stay with it and attempt to influence further change from within or quit and have no affect whatsoever. Jumping up and down, crying and tossing your toys out the pram just makes you look like pre-adolescents unworthy of any attention whatsoever.

Constantinus Maximus
Paxian Expeditionary Force
Posted - 2011.06.24 08:18:00 - [2449]
 

Originally by: Horace Nancyball
Seriously, I was like you a year or so ago. I honestly believed that rmt would kill the game I was playing.


Do you think CCP management being a complete bunch asshats might kill it instead?

Dante024781
Caldari Provisions
Posted - 2011.06.24 08:24:00 - [2450]
 

Isn't this the expansion that should have been called Exodus?

Jefferson H Clay
Posted - 2011.06.24 08:25:00 - [2451]
 

Originally by: Khamal Jolstien

I was pointing out a contradiction in someone else's post, where they said the time to act was when PLEX appeared, but then went on to say that they'll wait until someone can buy a powerful item for Aurum only before they get upset.


The coffee... it hasn't kicked in yet. Sorry.

Norian Lonark
Gallente
Black Thorne Corporation
Black Thorne Alliance
Posted - 2011.06.24 08:26:00 - [2452]
 

Originally by: Horace Nancyball


I'm sorry but rmt is the way ALL MMOs are going in the 21st century. It won't be a huge revenue stream for the devlopers but it will ease pressure on increasing subs generally for everyone. If you want to adopt the luddite stance and smash the machine for instigating change then go ahead, you will have no effect. This evolution of MMOs is insidious and unstoppable. Stay with it and attempt to influence further change from within or quit and have no affect whatsoever. Jumping up and down, crying and tossing your toys out the pram just makes you look like pre-adolescents unworthy of any attention whatsoever.


This doesn't mean its right. EVE has built its success on being different to all the other MMO's EVE is growing and is still fresh. Incarna and Dust etc. are great opportunities for EVE to continue being different, innovative and increase its subscription base.

RMT for P2W goes against the concept of EVE IMO.

Constantinus Maximus
Paxian Expeditionary Force
Posted - 2011.06.24 08:28:00 - [2453]
 

Edited by: Constantinus Maximus on 24/06/2011 08:28:11
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pqZcEwHBAk8

Maybe this will help CCP.

Olivor
Posted - 2011.06.24 08:29:00 - [2454]
 

Originally by: In System
T20
"Ghost" training
And now this.

Ignoring all the minor times you've screwed us around, of course.

Fucking. Lovely.

How about you grow some balls and front up to your playerbase?

Moderate me, ban me, you shitlicking cum-gargling, cock-juggling, feces-coated pustules. Show that you're reading this thread.




This post was made hours ago. Good job you're clearly reading the thread beyond page 5!

Mikal Morataya
Posted - 2011.06.24 08:31:00 - [2455]
 

Edited by: Mikal Morataya on 24/06/2011 09:12:02
So CCP Pann, when are you addressing this?

Aesynil
Caldari
The Unit...
Posted - 2011.06.24 08:32:00 - [2456]
 

The thing is...I agree. If they actively decided to sell faction standings, sell more powerful battleships with Aurum, or any of that, without getting rid of subscription costs...I think I'd be done with Eve. I would not pay $15 a month (Or it's equivalent in Plex's) on multiple accounts, then have to pay More just to be competitive.

I don't see them directly saying that, though...They're saying they want to open more avenues of revenue up. They need to make money, okay. They use some semi-offensive language (Free-loaders)..whatever. This is the business side of things, not the sugar-coated PR we get. In all of your jobs, can you honestly tell me none of you talk of your customers/clients/whatever in a way they would not particularly like? It's not disrespect. It's nonformal dialogue.

I suppose my rambling opinion on this whole thing..is that a lot of the arguments are...umm...Some type of logical fallacy. Straw man, maybe? People are building up a false statement, then attacking it. "CCP said we'd have to pay for sov!" "They called us freeloaders! (They didn't, they said the term for Dust..)" Or, interpreting things out of statements made, then attacking that.

Let CCP get past the planning phase and put out what they're honestly going to do. Tell them in no uncertain terms what you think of those things. If they go through with something ridiculous like $100 for an exclusive super titan or $50 for SP speed boost or a +20% turret damage implant or something equally asinine, despite the protest and rage, then you can start with the suggestions that people should be fired, rage, torches and pitch-forks, etc, etc. Rage-quits and so forth. until then...Open a dialogue, talk it out, and make it clear with something respectful, not questioning their sanity and calling them various names.

And please don't call me various names either? :( I don't like half of this stuff either, but a few months from now, if all of this turns out to be nothing, the people screaming the loudest are going to feel awfully silly. The people who made it clear to CCP what is and isn't acceptable will be e-heroes. And hopefully, we'll get back to pew-pewing internet spaceships and drama.

Goatse Girl
Posted - 2011.06.24 08:32:00 - [2457]
 

time for soundwave to go and install someone competent who loves the game

Jai Jones
Posted - 2011.06.24 08:34:00 - [2458]
 

Between T20, ghost trainning and all the other unecessary drama/cheating... I miss the "good old days" of just having pew pew fun.

Of course I understand a buisness needs to make money but CCP, to be honest, your stink has the same odur as bankers in general. Your ****ing it up for the playerbase and were the ones paying for your mistakes.

So like many, am voting with my sub YARRRR!!

Isis Soryu
Caldari
Universitas Interimo Research
Posted - 2011.06.24 08:38:00 - [2459]
 

Edited by: Isis Soryu on 24/06/2011 09:35:08
Originally by: Horace Nancyball
Originally by: Isis Soryu
Both of you need to re-read this thread and read the Apology thread if you can't understand how this will negatively impact the game. Not only does it create a P2W game, it also completely cuts out the player economy. EQ2 is not EVE, this is a PVP game first and foremost, the minute RL cash directly* adds to your chances of winning the game is ****ed. (*Just for the record I don't like plex either but it was either introduce them or continue to sell them on the forum like days of yore. At least it operates completely within the economy)


All this from a player who seems so against change that he has refused to adopt a new style avatar and presumably therefore isn't even playing the current game? Seriously, I was like you a year or so ago. I honestly believed that rmt would kill the game I was playing. A year on, I don't partake of rmt in any shape or form but would have to admit that the effect is minimal (if that). The scenarios your side of the argument are putting forward....fleet fights being decided by rmt modules is laughable hysteria. If you are in an alliance that gets to that stage, finds themselves outgunned due to rmt (oh no, it could never be possible that the other team are just better than us) and don't have the corp funds available to buy them themselves then you're really just small beer I'm afraid.

I'm sorry but rmt is the way ALL MMOs are going in the 21st century. It won't be a huge revenue stream for the devlopers but it will ease pressure on increasing subs generally for everyone. If you want to adopt the luddite stance and smash the machine for instigating change then go ahead, you will have no effect. This evolution of MMOs is insidious and unstoppable. Stay with it and attempt to influence further change from within or quit and have no affect whatsoever. Jumping up and down, crying and tossing your toys out the pram just makes you look like pre-adolescents unworthy of any attention whatsoever.
Nice ad hominem. I haven't done anything with the CQ or char creator on this account because I can't be bothered. My main has a new avatar, you'll find it in this very thread with the name Isil Rahsen, it's currently out of gametime and I have no plans to resub it or this char. (which isn't subbed either just FYI) If it's so hysterical that RMT mods and ships will have no effect then why are so many people against it? Why do people rail against FotM ships and unbalanced races? They'll be the same thing once CCP is done. FotM will be whatever the best ship/mods get put up on the RMT Cash Shop and anyone who can't compete will have to either outblob or spend the cash themselves. (Unless your a VERY VERY rich char going by the 1.3bil monocle prices.) The notion that anyone who can't afford the isk for NEX controlled ship/mod prices aren't worth considering is as laughable as the rest of your post.

As for your second paragraph no other game has a P2P + P2W scheme. If CCP wants P2W then they should also go F2P. And just because the entire industry is going to MT then EVE must be too right? (It's not like they have two other games that already have MT designed in from the start in development or anything.) After this I should continue to pay them not once, but TWICE to be competitive? You're ******ed, and anyone who thinks like you is ******ed. I won't play any MMO with a P2W scheme on principle alone, but especially not after already paying a sub fee. If not paying for a game that is going a direction I don't like is throwing my "toys out on the pram" then so be it. At least I won't be paying these asshats twice for a game they can't be bothered to fix.

EDIT: I feel I must preface this whole post with that even if they promise to never introduce "Items of Power" as they put it, I still won't be back because the trust is gone. They've lied not once but twice about MTs in EVE.

Glyken Touchon
Gallente
Independent Alchemists
Posted - 2011.06.24 08:40:00 - [2460]
 

Edited by: Glyken Touchon on 24/06/2011 08:46:21
Originally by: Gwenywell Shumuku
Originally by: bl3h
Edited by: bl3h on 24/06/2011 05:27:14
Give CCP a break, they're just trying to maximize profit, something that a proper business should do.

I bet most of the other MMO developers have this exact same discussion, but they just haven't been leaked Embarassed

And, that makes it better ...because? Shocked


I agree with you, Gwenwyll. Basic rule is don't put anything down on paper/screen if it isn't suitable for public consumption. Been in a few companies where that was the rule and anything even slightly iffy was restricted to verbal informal meetings (not minuted).

My previous comments on various threads have been fairly tame, but now that the newsletter has been confirmed to be legit, I don't really know what to say. A company newsletter has a wide distribution, and copies can easily go astray, so it was horrendously naive to think that this storm wouldn't kick off given the past history MTs have had with the players.

At least Zynga are upfront about it.

MT for cosmetics is fine, but I won't play a game that has MT pay to win. Eve hasn't reached that stage yet, but given the style of the game, I may as well get off now and not waste my time in the interim. If you say it won't happen, give me a reason to believe that the lead game designer won't implement his wishes.

Lets look a bit deeper, with (maybe) a bit of tinfoil.
This was the reason visibility of other players' standings was removed. All the fluff about performance was a blind.
This is why the industry expansion never materialised- with MT ships/ammo, it would have been a waste of development time.
Mining update- same.
What else has been shelved because MTs would make it not viable?
Originally by: sales pitch
Why use all those clunky interfaces and spend hours mining, when for just one small* payment, you can get the [item] of your dreams.
*CCP has also told it's customers that $50+ should be considered micro. So expect an increase in sub costs too, as it's just a small increase.

MTs won't affect gameplay? It has already affected unrelated systems by having them removed and depriving them of development time.

edit:
Originally by: Algathas
Joseph Gallo:
June 2009 Present (2 years 1 month)
"As CFO of CCP Games, Joe oversees the financial positioning and reporting of CCP. He is also responsible for the strategic initiatives of the Company and relations with its investors."

His previous work history:
"Managing Director, Investment Banking
Citigroup
This explains a lot too.


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